Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Honestly, California could be somewhat of a 'ground zero' for this thing actually reaching critical mass in the United States. The elements are all there and it's ripe pickings to allow the virus to thrive. As others have mentioned, it has a very high population of Asians, especially Chinese immigrants and second or third generation people who regularly travel to Asia to visit family and friends. Tourism is a big industry there [although I personally wouldn't want to visit most of California's larger cities] and many of those tourists are going to be from Asia, again, especially China. Then you have population density which is another factor, in some of the urban areas of larger cities people are basically living in glorified, slightly-more-spacious broom closets stacked ontop of other glorified broom closets, in buildings where the air circulates from unit to unit which is also likely why it's ravaging Chinese cities as we speak. Ontop of all of that, you have an incredible number of homeless and transient people who come with hygiene problems, defecate or leave dope needles in gutters, don't typically have access to medical care and they're more likely to slip through the cracks. Since a lot of the hobos out there don't have any kind of ID, they don't work, they don't have an address, they might have various aliases, etc. should they get infected they can just hop out or hitch-hike to another town or city and nobody would know or notice. Basically you have vast swaths of people who, if you ask the state of California, don't exist in any official capacity.

Maybe a slight power-level but my older brother dipped out and crashed around the country before finding himself in San Francisco a few years ago and he's mostly stayed there since after the NYPD handed him a Greyhound ticket and told him to quit causing trouble and fuckin' beat it. So far, San Francisco hasn't told him to hit the bricks but shit out there is just different. A lot of the homeless people there basically live bundled together in tent cities, improvised lean-tos, crack shacks and basically anywhere out of sight. These people don't wash their hands, they don't use toilets, they don't dispose of their trash/human waste appropriately, many of them don't bathe, and they're out there amongst the general public all the time.

Then you have the incredibly fucking stupid people claiming that AIDS infected individuals shouldn't be stigmatized or held responsible for knowingly infecting others. This is an outlook that puts a hell of a lot of people at risk for a gruesome, woefully unpleasant, agonizing death and they don't seem to care. It's likely they'll take the same nonchalant stance toward Coronavirus and we've already seen cautious people called racists because they don't want to hob-knob and slap hands with people who might have just come back from China.

If it gets a foothold in California, it could be a perfect fucking storm. Now, personally, if it would STAY in California's metropolitan areas, I wouldn't be too worried about it. But we know that it won't stay in California. The nonchalant, 'eh it's nothing really' bullshit I've been seeing is pretty alarming. I'd imagine that perspective being commonplace in California especially. I'm not saying people should panic or buy a pallet of MREs and 5.56 to keep in their basement and start digging trenches and building bunkers, but washing your hands, practicing common sense and stocking up on some sundries and canned goods wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
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Can any ex-milfags or MRE consoomers share their opinion on what the more edible MRE menus are?
The chili mac and tortelli one are pretty good. If you're just thinking about food to have at home their are better options like just stocking up on canned and dried goods. Or heck, get into canning/making preserves, it's fun. Make a shit ton of jerky and pickles and jam.

If you're imaging yourself needing food to carry with you as you traverse a post apocalyptic hellscape in search of safety, sure, some MREs are not a bad idea, but even better are those dehydrated food kits they make for hikers, you can carry a bunch without adding too much weight.

If you're thinking about the "perilous journey" scenario you might want to consider a life straw too.
 
SanFran is completely fucked. Powerleveling a bit, but I lived there for a time a few years back. I used to have to walk through Chinatown to get to a place I was volunteering at- the real Chinatown, not the area meant for tourists. They have their own dry market where they sell "food", and the place is filthy. I could totally see it becoming an epicenter if Corona-Chan breaks containment in the states.
Chinatown has always been incredibly overcrowded. There are always lots of people in the streets, food markets, and restaurants that cater to native Chinese, but if you go upstairs into just about any of those old buildings--most of which date to the years just after the 1906 earthquake--you have too many people in too-small apartments in buildings with inadequate ventilation (especially during the colder months). A lot of those people are new immigrants, most of them very poor, living in cramped, shared spaces. And a lot of the longer-term resident immigrants still retain a lot of their old (un)sanitary habits, such as spitting on the streets, not hand-washing, etc. They also return to China whenever they can--usually for the lunar new year, so some may have already returned to the US just before their flights home got cancelled.

Granted, in SF they aren't breathing the same carcinogenic smog that hangs over every city and industrialized town in China, so their lungs might not be so compromised, but a lot of the men smoke.

So yeah, I am sure the Wu Flu is already in SF, even if it hasn't become a crisis yet. I wouldn't be surprised if there have been recent returnees from China who developed relatively mild symptoms, and never bothered seeking medical attention, so there's no recorded cases among them. But when it does make its appearance--and I am certain it will--the conditions in Chinatown will make the perfect incubator for a major public health crisis.

Oh, and on top of that, there's the issue of public transit, given how many older Chinese folks travel to and from Chinatown to do their shopping by bus. The 38 Geary's ridership is half old Chinese grandmas with their shopping bags, headed in from or out to the Richmond (where a lot of Chinese who prospered enough to gtfo of Chinatown ended up). SF's Muni buses are already overcrowded and diseased as fuck; throw in some Wu Flu and shit's going to get real.
Another town to pay attention to in California will be Arcadia. It's basically Beverly Hills for the rich CCP families. A lot of these wealthy Chinese have been flying out their families quietly and who knows if they have the virus or not. We'll know for sure in about a month.
I'm just interested in seeing something like Beverly Hills for Asians completely quarantined. The rich CCP families really need to get what they deserve and shouldn't be able to hide away in America
The one other place on the Left Coast that bears watching is Vancouver, BC. They don't call that town Hongcouver for nothing. Like SF, you've got a huge population of recent Chinese immigrants and wealthy Chinese real estate investors, and heavy air traffic back and forth between Vancouver and various Chinese cities. The chances of COVID-19 hitting Vancouver like a ton of bricks is part of what makes Trudeau's hand-wringing about "racism" so pants-on-head stupid. (It's a shame Justin's such a pretty boy because god damn, he sure didn't get any brains to go with his looks, did he?)
 
Awesome fucking priorities as always.
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The Department of Industry and Informatization has approved the establishment of a separate DNS server for China by the Chinese Institute for Information and Communications Research.

It's been an honor shitposting with you guys.
 
I'm curious why the number of cases petered in off in China. We all know it's not because those shit gremlins got things under control, so what changed?

Could be any number of things. Probably a combination.
  • They want you -- or their people, or businesses doing business in China -- to think they got it under control.
  • They gave up on trying to control it.
  • They ran out of resources to do the testing required.
  • They kept getting called out for blatantly false numbers so decided to be even more blatant.
  • The local people on the ground got tired of being executed for giving numbers and so stopped.
  • Xinni the Pooh wanted there to be less cases, so by god, there's less cases. (Being reported.)
  • There's been enough of a breakdown in order over there that they simply can't get the numbers anymore.

The economy thing is probably what's really going on, unless it really IS an apocalyptic clusterfuck of doom over there -- we'll see other countries start to freak out soon if it is, as containment is basically done for.. It cannot be stressed enough -- if China's economy has even a small stumbling block, the wheels come off and EVERYTHING collapses. For a preview of this, look at Venezuela.
 
The Department of Industry and Informatization has approved the establishment of a separate DNS server for China by the Chinese Institute for Information and Communications Research.
I'm not sure if I understand. Some kind of national internet blackout? A physical means of cutting your browsing off from the rest of the world in a way that a VPN can't circumvent?

How far are they going to go to cover this up?
 
@Oscar Wildean - don't read too much into the murder rate, with only 23 murders. I look at the number of murders, and compared to Oakland and SoCal the number is negligible. Humboldt County is a relatively poor county, though. Lots of marijuana grown and sold there. Don't think there are that many "regular" jobs around. Good to see the county is involved, though.

I stand corrected. I feel bad for the people in that area since it's not well off compared to other cities in California.
 
6th confirmed case in BC

The woman came from Iran, not anywhere around Wuhan

Gotta love how Canada up until this point has said that unless you're from around the area of Wuhan you should be fine

Keep being incompetent Canada. Just more time for me to become a typhoid Mary and infect the country with our new Goddess

What actually makes Canada the way it is? It's like they're high on meth constantly and don't care about consequences.
 
What actually makes Canada the way it is? It's like they're high on meth constantly and don't care about consequences.

Canada is Americas younger stoner brother that is way too attached to their mom. They have always had the U.S. backing them up and haven't had to worry about shit since WW II
 
What actually makes Canada the way it is? It's like they're high on meth constantly and don't care about consequences.
it's something about cold countries that just makes them retarded, the cold just freezes the brains, it would explain why both sweden and canada are so retarded

Believe SF and LA will be hit the hardest due to the large Asian populations, mostly Chinese in SF, and Chinese/Japanese/Koreans in LA. Lots of Koreans in LA. Still believe we're much better suited to deal with this than China has been. We have a better primary care system than some might think. Lots of acute care/convenient care clinics. We have health departments at the state and county levels. Some county health departments have their own medical system and a county hospital.

Doubt it will come to this, but SF is relatively easy to limit access to. For the number of people in SF the place is surprisingly small. Opposite is the case in LA, place spread out all over. You might look at limiting access to Koreatown, which has many more people than Little Tokyo or Chinatown. Probably very difficult to do.

San Jose may be another hot spot. Many Vietnamese there, bunch of Koreans in Santa Clara/Sunnyvale.

Believe once you get away from these cities, things should be better. In my opinion despite what the CCP and their WHO lackeys say, the virus is getting away from them. Just a gut feeling. Please correct me if I am wrong. Many of you know far more about this from a technical standpoint than I do. Continue to appreciate all the info. This is the place to go for the best info and analysis, thanks to the many contributors. 👍


@Oscar Wildean - don't read too much into the murder rate, with only 23 murders. I look at the number of murders, and compared to Oakland and SoCal the number is negligible. Humboldt County is a relatively poor county, though. Lots of marijuana grown and sold there. Don't think there are that many "regular" jobs around. Good to see the county is involved, though.
what really scares me about SF and LA being infected is the culture if gift giving and bug chasing. just imagine the mutations that can happen in these people with such weak immune systems and so many diseases all rolling together in one place.
 
What actually makes Canada the way it is? It's like they're high on meth constantly and don't care about consequences.

99% of the time it's Nepotism, political parties in Canada are full of exceptional people because Nepotism. Trudeau is still in power because 'well we knew his dad and he was ok'.

That and the population is just sheep until you push them too far but the too far is much much further than it should be.

So is it safe to assume Iran is now infested? Way beyond what they're saying? because the BC Health Ministry says it's 'unusual' but why was she even tested if that's the case. Especially when articles also claims her symptoms are mild. Unless Canada is testing everyone who shows up with flu symptoms at doctors offices which seems to be the case from reading this article as it says 500 people have been tested and most of them tested for what I assume is meant to the the typical influenza, not wu flu. Whoever wrote this article is pants on head exceptional when it comes to clarity of facts.

Only in Canada would we decide it makes sense to stay open and just test people after the fact.

Apparently she's had one test that indicates it's very likely but it has no been 100% confirmed as of yet as they are waiting on the final positive result.
 
Slightly OT, but Apple needs to lose the planned obsolescence and get with the program. I can't be the only owner of a perfectly working i-pad that has been pretty much a brick since 2014 because updates. Meanwhile, an early microsoft RT pad from pretty much the same era can still web surf, play movies and you tube vids, has a few apps still circulating, and can still be useful if not optimal. Because the developers gave a shit. I watched Apple survive the 90s because they dicovered people would shell out for candy colors. I kinda hope they get theirs this time around.

Stay safe!
You pretty much are. The OG ipad recieved 2.5 years of updates, ending in 2012, and the ipad 2 ended updates in 2016 with 5.5 years of support, nothing lost support in 2014. So you either have an ancient ass ipad or an ipad that predates the dinosaurs. We are talking a tablet with 512MB of RAM. The windows RT tablet came out YEARS after these ipads did, and ipads from the RT tablet era still work perfectly well. We still employ several dozen ipad 2s in classrooms and maintenance, and they still stream youtube videos and surf the internet and close work orders just fine, if a bit slowly. Not bad for going on decade old mobile hardware.

It's interesting you lambast apple for "planned obsolescence" when MS literally abandoned the RT after just 2 years, abandoned windows phone, and android phones are counted as LUCKY if they can be updated past the version of android they came with. Meanwhile Apple is pushing 6 years worth of updates to their devices. You should at least acknowledge that they have the best mobile support window of any mobile developer, and their devices dont stop working when updates stop, as is evidence by all the ipad 2s, 3, 4s, and iphone 4s/5/5s/6 devices I still see being used in the wild to this day.

China losing Apple's business to taiwan/vietnam is gonna sting. Wonder if apple will still bother producing anything in china once this is all over, of if they will move everything out to another country to get ahead of the curve.

what really scares me about SF and LA being infected is the culture if gift giving and bug chasing. just imagine the mutations that can happen in these people with such weak immune systems and so many diseases all rolling together in one place.
I tried imagining this scenario, but I keep ending up at tons of HIV/AIDS patients dying from a cold because their immune systems have been BTFOd.
 
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