Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[LetThemEatCake]

Idk, I had a contract in Singapore for couple of months and visited it couple of times w/o any problems. I guess the same rules apply as in any foreign country - don't look like a victim and don't stick your credit cards in dirty holes. It was some years ago, though, maybe it has changed for the worse.

I've lived there and it's one of the safest countries in the world in regard to crime and general physical personal safety. Far less general theft and pickpocketing than ANY European or US city, no general sexual harrassment/pervert issue either like say, in Japan, where I also lived for years. The degeneracy they tolerate is confined to small areas. You really have to try hard to get into trouble in Singapore, of any kind. Visiting Orchard 'four floors of whores' Towers will probably up your chances immensely though (as it will of being robbed,swindled or getting a nice cock-rotting disease), as visiting any form of sex tourism bullshit and acting like a desperate degenerate who can't get it at home will in any country on the planet.

 

[Niggaplease]

I've lived there and it's one of the safest countries in the world in regard to crime and general physical personal safety. Far less general theft and pickpocketing than ANY European or US city, no general sexual harrassment/pervert issue either like say, in Japan, where I also lived for years. The degeneracy they tolerate is confined to small areas. You really have to try hard to get into trouble in Singapore, of any kind. Visiting Orchard 'four floors of whores' Towers will probably up your chances immensely though (as it will of being robbed,swindled or getting a nice cock-rotting disease), as visiting any form of sex tourism bullshit and acting like a desperate degenerate who can't get it at home will in any country on the planet.

I know everyone's so polite here and friendly!

 

[JosephStalin]

To think that we were worried about wwiii at the start of the year. Good times.

I'm just about to the point where I don't even want to hear about the election campaigns any more, least not until there's a strategy to deal with this, not so much in China but in the rest of the world, and a strategy to deal with the effects on the American economy and people of the crisis in China.

If I was President Trump, would contact former Presidents Obama, Bush, and Clinton, plus the House and Senate Majority and Minority Leaders. Tell them time to call a truce in the public battles; they need to see a comprehensive (medical, military, economic, political) briefing by the CIA re China, the virus, and the growing problems. Have the briefing. Get a bipartisan consensus on how to proceed. Set up a National Rationing Board with the three former Presidents as co-chairs. Have the House and Senate leaders draft and pass legislation to implement the decisions made by the consensus. Get this done, then meet with leaders of the major countries, who are likely to be in the same boat.

Time is short. The virus continues to proceed. We could also lose production in Korea, Japan, Vietnam. We aren't the only country that does business with these countries. Believe we are better situated than most other countries to deal with the loss of imports but it is vital to establish national priorities and procedures to use what we have and can get effectively. The country needs to know there's a national strategy that both parties have signed onto. Otherwise, things could get bad enough here that the election is far off most people's radar screens. Jobs will be lost and people will suffer.

 

[Fat Is Divinity]

Don't know if you guys have noticed but over on twitter a number of videos of supposed Wuhan residents committing suicide have started to emerge, as morbid a subject as it is I can't help but think what the indirect death rate of the Virus is, can't imagine Chinese officials will add them to the daily statistics though.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Just checked my hermit crab food supply. Almost everything is American except a bag of dried omnivore mix. That's made in China. None of this stuff was bought after November-December 2019, so the Wutang Flu wouldn't have a chance of clinging to it if it could.

Starting to consider ditching the omnivore mix. Knowing what I do about Chinese sanitation and food practices now, worried there's something in there the poor guys could get. This is the country with vending machines full of live crabs, I don't trust them to care about pet crabs.

Crab sperging aside, not surprised a cult is the reason for South Korea's uptick in cases. What is it with South Korea and weird Christianity inspired cults?

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Oh, I’m well aware of just how boned they are, at this rate, we may end up needing a Chinese debt clock. What I’d like even more is a collage of headlines showing the change in tone about the virus. Because we’ve gone from “it’s just a cold, bro” to “This is a problem” in just a month. I think it’s going to be March or April when supply chains REALLY start to get fucked up, since I can’t imagine warehouses lasting that long with no new imports. That, and setting up shop elsewhere like Indonesia or Vietnam will require some time.

Microsoft moved 8 component factories from China to Vietnam and Cambodia since Jan 15. They are up and running, in one case, it only took 3 days.

After Trump was elected, Japan set up it's own version of the TPP. Most of the same players are there, you'd find there are no institutional obstacles to setting up shop throughout the South Pacific. While Indonesia and India are hold outs, there's a block of countries trying to build up their own economic might to fight against China.

Interesting fact: Korea has been invaded 70+ times in its existence, each time from China. But it wasn't always the Chinese who invaded.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

And at this point North and South America are the only major continent's not under immediate risk of native transmission. Its anathema to think of but the US, Canada and Mexico need to strongly consider halting all international air traffic.

Allow me to correct. North America is facing a potential outbreak thanks Cali and Canada stupid leaders. The region that is free from this shit is Latin America.

We are the real chosen people.

Either way, America the Continent indeed has less risk of transmition right now due to distance and isolation, so if this is a chance for us, from Canada to Tierra de Fuego, to close borders and keep the rest of the world out to fuck themselves while we survive on ourselves, trading with each other, and mending our mishaps, then yes: I welcome Making Actual Whole America Great Again. MAWAGA

 

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Steve Hsu's 'Manifold' YT show has an interview with Yang Wang, Dean of Science at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, covering the coronavirus among other things. Very interesting to hear about the restrictions on meetings, schools that the Chinese National government has imposed as part of their rigorous measures to control the spread of the outbreak.

Here's a good article on how elementary and middle schools are dealing with the issue:

BEIJING, Feb. 17 (Xinhua) -- Millions of Chinese students are restricted to their homes due to a nationwide epidemic control mechanism started on Monday to provide online learning, as the new school semester originally scheduled for Feb. 17 is currently postponed without a specific date.

Primary and middle schools in China are required to open online curriculums by using official educational websites to ensure that 180 million students "are occupied with the guided study at home."

The Beijing municipal education commission said that "it is not a holiday in the traditional sense, nor does it mean that the new school semester has started online."

China has postponed the start of the new school semester over safety concerns as the country fights a novel coronavirus outbreak that has infected 70,548 people as of the end of Sunday. A total of 1,696 people had died of the disease.

Zhang Ziqing, a 14-year-old girl living in Daxing District, Beijing, turned on her computer at home at 8:00 a.m. and began her first day of "online school study."

"I communicated with teachers via online office software called Fastmeeting. Each teacher took 15 minutes to guide us on how to study online. Assignments were given such as reviewing Chinese, mathematics and English," said the Grade-8 student from the Daxing South Campus of the Middle School of the Capital Normal University.

Schools in Xicheng District in downtown Beijing required students to log on bdschool.cn, a digital education website, which offers multimedia courseware from primary schools to senior high schools. Students can click on their respective course links based on class schedules given by their teachers, while teachers give guidance and requirements via online group chats such as Wechat.

A middle school's daily course schedule can last from 7:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. with breaks for self-learning, eye exercises and class meeting.

According to the municipal commission, students are mainly taking courses to "review knowledge rather than taking new classes during the online study sessions."

Many Beijing schools on Monday assigned the tasks asking students to think about what they have seen and heard in the fight against the coronavirus epidemic. Students can present their knowledge and thoughts in the form of writing, painting or video clips.

The municipal education authorities have entrusted the Advanced Innovation Center for Future Education of the Beijing Normal University to develop an online platform for senior students in junior high and senior high schools, where veteran teachers started to give lectures with interactive question and answer sessions from Monday.

In southern China's metropolitan of Guangzhou, the curriculum of online school classes cover physical exercise, reading, anti-epidemic education, aesthetic education as well as math, science and English. Each class lasts no more than 15 minutes.

While primary and middle schools are testing the waters of online teaching, higher-learning institutes such as Beijing's prestigious Peking and Tsinghua universities officially set off the teaching work in the spring semester on Monday through various online tech means.

Song Xin, with the Teaching Development Center of the Peking University, said the center provides technical support and services to ensure teachers and students rely on online platforms to start teaching, peer discussions and teacher-student exchanges.

On Monday, the university offered 563 undergraduate classes with 290 of them in form of live streaming. There are 101 classes using recorded online video courses via the university's website, and 96 discussion classes held via online group chats.

The university adopts the software of the "ClassIn" system and Canvas Network to support the online teaching.

"The epidemic situation poses a challenge to us, but it is also an opportunity to comprehensively promote the digitalization and informatization of teaching," said Qiu Yong, principal of Tsinghua.

Zhang Bingyin, a teacher of the Water Conservancy Department of Tsinghua, has equipped his laptop with a Logitech HD webcast camera and a Wacom e-writing tablet that the school has purchased for teachers for online teaching.

"New tech has given me tricks to interact with students during online courses. For example, the 'Rain Classroom' app, a new smart big-data teaching solution, helps me test students' mastery of my course content and randomly calls the roll to pick students to speak via Tencent's office meeting software," said the teacher.

Fan Jingtao, a teacher in the automation department of Tsinghua, set up a teaching platform at his home. Via a laptop, he gave the course of "C + + Programming and Training" to 330 students. The course was "heavily interactive," he said, as it was integrated with in-depth interactive discussions and repeated tests.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792006.htm

 

[Jarolleon]

I'm just about to the point where I don't even want to hear about the election campaigns any more, least not until there's a strategy to deal with this, not so much in China but in the rest of the world, and a strategy to deal with the effects on the American economy and people of the crisis in China.

If I was President Trump, would contact former Presidents Obama, Bush, and Clinton, plus the House and Senate Majority and Minority Leaders. Tell them time to call a truce in the public battles; they need to see a comprehensive (medical, military, economic, political) briefing by the CIA re China, the virus, and the growing problems. Have the briefing. Get a bipartisan consensus on how to proceed. Set up a National Rationing Board with the three former Presidents as co-chairs. Have the House and Senate leaders draft and pass legislation to implement the decisions made by the consensus. Get this done, then meet with leaders of the major countries, who are likely to be in the same boat.

Time is short. The virus continues to proceed. We could also lose production in Korea, Japan, Vietnam. We aren't the only country that does business with these countries. Believe we are better situated than most other countries to deal with the loss of imports but it is vital to establish national priorities and procedures to use what we have and can get effectively. The country needs to know there's a national strategy that both parties have signed onto. Otherwise, things could get bad enough here that the election is far off most people's radar screens. Jobs will be lost and people will suffer.

The Dems probably hope that the Wu Flu kills/disables enough MAGA boomers and ruins the economy so they can win in 2020 and use the pent-up TDS fury to effectively shred the Constitution and establish the 1000 year SJW Reich, while the Pubs are likely banking on the fact that fear of disease increases right-wing sentiment. Most likely the bipartisan consensus is "Good luck, Corona-Chan!".

 

[simulated goat]

Thanks to those who answered the lab/blood question. I just remembered it being in a bunch of videos when this all hit and not knowing the details you all do, it passed the through the bullshit detector, lol. I am in awe of kiwi smarts and have to say that this is the most informative thread I've found on this subject.

 

[JosephStalin]

This is a taboo topic among servicemen that has become more common over the past four years or so. I've had that talk with a few airmen while breaking down how and why civil war could start more easily in the US, more easily than people seem to want to think. The general consensus among decent servicemen as far as I know is that most enlistees would give their CoC acute lead poisoning before they'd commit actual treason against our people, even at the risk of being put on trial for 'legal treason'. We also know that a lot of officers and enlisted wouldn't hesitate to take the coward's way out so that no matter what happens in the end, if they're still standing, they can put their palms out and say "I was just following orders". The cowards would also not be so willing to side against who they perceive to hold all of the weapons and supplies, or just pick whichever team has the most players at the time. A modern American Civil War started over governmental tyranny would be a special kind of mess the likes of which no person has ever seen.

PL; Retired senior officer. Been retired about twenty years. Got high up enough to have the scrambled eggs on the visor.

No, I wouldn't shoot my fellow Americans unless they were attacking me or my troops, then only as a very last resort, to defend ourselves. Peaceful demonstration? No fucking way. Wouldn't give the order to, either. Would tell whoever sent the order that the order is illegal. Am sure some troops would apprehend or shoot the person who issued such an order. The direction to disobey illegal orders is drummed into officers and enlisted, at least it was while I was on active duty.

Having said that, things would need to be much worse than they are in China now for another civil war to happen.

@wtfNeedSignUp - You might be surprised to see the huge variety of things China makes and exports. Not just finished goods, but components for other items, not to mention medicine. Take a look around you, note the labels of origin. Also note what comes from Vietnam, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan.

@Ivan Shatov - believe the longer this goes on the better the chance of regime change in China. Yeah, low right now, but God only knows what's happening behind the scenes.

Oh, believe having Carnival in Rio is beyond retarded. Get a few unknowing/knowing carriers of WuFlu among the crowds...Jesus...

@Jarolleon - Like to think both parties will rise to the cause. The virus doesn't ask the politics of those it infects and kills.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

I know everyone's so polite here and friendly!

Great food too, you can eat at the normal hawker stalls without fear of food poisoning or Chinese-style poison cooking oil scandals. Hygiene is generally good and probably better than a lot of the endless takeaways in US or UK run by imported South Asians. The food halls in the shopping centres are cheap and great for just trying out various of the Cantonese/Malay/Indian type cusines too. No need to hit the tourist trap places and pay 3x over the odds.

 

[Nonconsentual Pronouns]

The direction to disobey illegal orders is drummed into officers and enlisted, at least it was while I was on active duty.

That seems to have taken a back seat while you've been out.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Crab sperging aside, not surprised a cult is the reason for South Korea's uptick in cases. What is it with South Korea and weird Christianity inspired cults?

Presbyterians. Presbyterians are really good at schisming. We've got like five or so major Presbyterian denominations in the US and SK has over a hundred.

I have never found out why or what the hell happened there. (SK is also home to the largest megachurch in the world but that's your usual Pentecostal weirdness.)

 

[Jarolleon]

Presbyterians. Presbyterians are really good at schisming. We've got like five or so major Presbyterian denominations in the US and SK has over a hundred.

I have never found out why or what the hell happened there. (SK is also home to the largest megachurch in the world but that's your usual Pentecostal weirdness.)

Isn't that because their core idea is having elected priests and decentralization in general, schismatic by design?

 

[JosephStalin]

That seems to have taken a back seat while you've been out.

I pray it hasn't. As you said, this is a matter not discussed openly among officers. Must admit during my time never even gave it much of a thought.

 

[bigoogabaloogas]

Dunno if this is real, but if it is, this is literally a 4chan gayop:
https://twitter.com/kommandostore/status/1230646006922055681

Spoiler: Images from the tweet:

how do you unfurl urls

 

[Uranus Pink]

I pray it hasn't. As you said, this is a matter not discussed openly among officers. Must admit during my time never even gave it much of a thought.

U.S. LEOs would be the ones to follow orders and start shooting long before the U.S. military figures out what it would do.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

The Dems probably hope that the Wu Flu kills/disables enough MAGA boomers and ruins the economy so they can win in 2020 and use the pent-up TDS fury to effectively shred the Constitution and establish the 1000 year SJW Reich, while the Pubs are likely banking on the fact that fear of disease increases right-wing sentiment. Most likely the bipartisan consensus is "Good luck, Corona-Chan!".

Inb4 Californian "gift givers" decimate the democrat voter base

 

[Niggaplease]

That shithole monitors every face that comes with AI that can identify people from any country on Earth. And that's just what the operators have in place, you're talking about the crossroads of Johns from across the world.

Don't treat that as a casual visit, the fact you had a good time means you weren't worth draining at the time. That could change.


These are very sunny articles. If you only knew how bad it really is.

China has sunk nearly $800B into the stock markets to keep them afloat, by March 1 that number should reach $1 T. Their GDP is around $12 T, they are burning capital at a rate close to half the annual economy. All this news about them getting control of the situation is to satisfy investors, it has nothing to do with the reality on the ground. People are starting to fall over dead in Beijing the same way they were in Wuhan, the same kinds of party functionaries are running around pretending everything's fine.

If the virus continues rampaging for 3 months, there seriously could be a civil war. We're talking breakdown of ordinary social interactions, assassinations of government officials and Western business officials, smuggling of precious metals, cargo ships of durable goods going up to the highest bidder, guerillas ransoming infrastructure safety, rationing and starvation, anything short of people in the street with guns (they don't have many guns and even fewer bullets.)

Everyone in the Chinese middle class used to be dirt poor and the majority of them are stupid as shit. They are not going back and will murder each other in large numbers to avoid losing their smart phones. A lack of liquidity is a serious problem for Chinese banks and businesses, it means they can't handle day to day transactions for hundreds of millions of people. The moment people are not distracted, they are going to take it out on the government and then each other.

Don't want to sound too crazy but I'd put the odds of complete collapse of Chinese government at around 3%. Sure, that means it's highly unlikely this event will occur, but the fact there is a risk is what's significant. Governments will engage in some of the stupidest behaviors to try and stop that risk, often to their detriment.

so quick question if China goes to civil war? how would it affect the US?