Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Niggaplease]

If Iran has 18 cases why does the John Hopkins dashboard show them at only 5?

Is it that far behind?

because cases keep popping up.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

if it's happening in Milan it's gonna spread like wildfire simply because of how rural nothern italy is. As beautiful it is in order to get to a good hospital your looking at least 3 hours drive through the country side. Unlike Venice or Rome it's not really touristy in the sense you get all modern conviences. on the bright side it may be self contained.
if you live in Europe best bet is either Romania because of how isolated it is or Sardinia because it's freaking island. I think I may after this take the rest of my pto and explore eastern Europe.
Basically if you want to flee find a very isolated spot and go there and don't tell anyone in person where you going.
oh and pro tip: don't fucking go to any desserts if you have no fucking clue on how to survive in it. Same for Canada in fact if this gets major pandemic level every idiot and their mother will try to flee for the great wilderness of Canada. you'll only last a few months come winter if your not a cannibal you'll be food for others. Basically Canada is the absolute russia when it comes to survival unless you know what your doing have the actual resources to sustain yourself until your established go for far easier means.

I don't know. The WuFlu seems quite adept at sniping islands left and right. Probably being played by someone that's gotten sick of greenland and madagascar ruining every playthrough and specced just for them.

Also Romania is the only european country than keeps sending us spaniards migrant waves and if you know our emigration stats you know how bad of an omen that is. And I've known enough of them to realize while they are no streetshitters, chinks or terrorists, their hygiene is lacking compared with most of europe. So I wouldn't seek rescue there.

I remember that video from early on with the guy testing blood samples and the corona virus one was nearly black. Please medical kiwis, correctme if I'm wrong, but could that be caused by lack of oxygen in the blood? I seem to remember blood (hemoglobin) is red because oxygenation.

Apparently they can pump 100% oxygen into someone but the cells/blood aren't picking it up:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext

The video was a hoax and an obvious one at that. More likely just a prank. Don't worry your blood won't turn to ink. As for the oxygen thing, that can happen if the partial oxygen pressure in the blood is too high compared with that of the air in the lungs but for that you'd need something like dry suffocation or an ion concentration completely wacked the fuck out. (I know, my use of technical terms is PERFECT), most likely case for not being receptive to oxygen isn't blood issues but just the lungs giving up due to inflamation and excess secretions, so pneumonia basically, which can lead to necrosis. Once the lung tissue is necrotic there ain't no amount of oxygen that can get it to work, that shit's ded.

Edit: for clarification. I don't mean necrosis is needed to stopthe lungs. Inflamation and excess secretions are more than enough, the lungs stop working long before dying. Necrosis is however the likely outcome if treatment fails. And once it happens it's the point of no return.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

They just sent 40 portable incinerators into WuHan. I think we all know what is coming. And it will be as usual for China, pointless ineffective theater as the disease is well outside containment.

Do Chinese audiences get panicky whenever they hear their government proclaiming such absurd absolutes as “we will liquidate this disease by March!”? I mean even unsophisticated audiences are generally not stupid. The only thing that messaging will do is spur tons of Chinese people to run as far and as fast as they can. Before the Liquidation begins.

I don't think the Chinese citizens will take well to such "liquidation" when it comes.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

They just sent 40 portable incinerators into WuHan. I think we all know what is coming. And it will be as usual for China, pointless ineffective theater as the disease is well outside containment.

Do Chinese audiences get panicky whenever they hear their government proclaiming such absurd absolutes as “we will liquidate this disease by March!”? I mean even unsophisticated audiences are generally not stupid. The only thing that messaging will do is spur tons of Chinese people to run as far and as fast as they can. Before the Liquidation begins.

Not if the government blocks their escape routes with the incinerators.

Have to admit, I'm amazed it took them as long as it did for them to try killing the trouble patients themselves. I was honestly expecting it to happen far sooner then it did because China.

Urban Dictionary: Rule 16

Rule 16 states that there are no females on the internet - specifically in role-playing games and chat rooms. Expanded Rule 16 states that: a) All internet men are men b) All internet women are really men b) All internet children are policemen

www.urbandictionary.com

Rule 16 always applies. No known exceptions, sorry love.

Dont you misgender me nigga you can trans the dog but not me nigga.

So does that make YouTube commnenters autistic policemen?

 

[Jarolleon]

it's something about cold countries that just makes them exceptional, the cold just freezes the brains, it would explain why both sweden and canada are so exceptional

It's because American news is vastly more interesting than Canadian, so only the most insane political junkies actually know what's going on here in sufficient numbers to influence our politics.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

One of the overlooked things about this outbreak is how it has neutered China’s ability to wage economic warfare. At best, this will take two or three years for them to recuperate. At worst, it could end up being China’s lost decade. Frankly, the world will be better off in the long run and maybe they’ll learn global trade doesn’t have to revolve cheaply manufactured crap. If Trump’s smart, he’ll spend the second term beating China over the head with this whole fiasco. As will anyone else doing trade with China.

China floods economy with cash in bid to offset coronavirus impact

Commercial banks in China extended 3.34 trillion yuan (US$477 billion) of credit in January, an all-time high, with the country reeling from the coronavirus outbreak.

www.scmp.com

Coronavirus outbreak set to test resilience of China’s banking sector

A recent stress test by China’s central bank showed 17 of 30 local banks would fail to meet their capital adequacy ratio if growth slowed to 4.15 per cent.

www.scmp.com

China’s yuan tipped to fall as economy struggles to recover from virus

Analysts say the Chinese currency will face increased volatility as the new coronavirus continues to dampen activity in the world’s second biggest economy.

www.scmp.com

 

[TungstenCarbide]

One of the overlooked things about this outbreak is how it has neutered China’s ability to wage economic warfare. At best, this will take two or three years for them to recuperate. At worst, it could end up being China’s lost decade. Frankly, the world will be better off in the long run and maybe they’ll learn global trade doesn’t have to revolve cheaply manufactured crap. If Trump’s smart, he’ll spend the second term beating China over the head with this whole fiasco. As will anyone else doing trade with China.

China floods economy with cash in bid to offset coronavirus impact

Commercial banks in China extended 3.34 trillion yuan (US$477 billion) of credit in January, an all-time high, with the country reeling from the coronavirus outbreak.

www.scmp.com

Coronavirus outbreak set to test resilience of China’s banking sector

A recent stress test by China’s central bank showed 17 of 30 local banks would fail to meet their capital adequacy ratio if growth slowed to 4.15 per cent.

www.scmp.com

China’s yuan tipped to fall as economy struggles to recover from virus

Analysts say the Chinese currency will face increased volatility as the new coronavirus continues to dampen activity in the world’s second biggest economy.

www.scmp.com

They company I bought my cellphone from has just closed. Hong Kong protests didn't help at all, and this was probably the last nail in the coffin. Update about the Italian cases, they're 16 now. Apparently the patient number 1 got infected around 21th of January by a colleague who arrived from China. What's this shit time of incubation?

 

[HonsPonzud]

Dr John Campbell delivering another typical English dry burn. Linked timestamp relevant.

"The only thing where nothing can go wrong is the homeopathy...."

I love this geezer (no homo, plz no bully)

I like this old dude, deserves respect. He's like every good doctor should be and allways tries to go from an unbiased standpoint from official medical papers / studies and the likes, his voice and reasonable calm is like i know every well educated, professionnal doc should be. He's truely from an endangered species nowadays.

 

[Otterly]

I remember that video from early on with the guy testing blood samples and the corona virus one was nearly black. Please medical kiwis, correctme if I'm wrong, but could that be caused by lack of oxygen in the blood? I seem to remember blood (hemoglobin) is red because oxygenation.

Apparently they can pump 100% oxygen into someone but the cells/blood aren't picking it up:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30076-X/fulltext

Blood drawn properly does look quite dark because it’s not hit enough air to go bright red. Blood from someone with carbon monoxide poisoning looks a bit different
If you draw blood and it’s dark - like brown rust or dark blue, you have an issue. Blue can be caused by methemoglobinaemia, which can be caused by various things: poppers, lidocaine type anaesthetics, some congenital disorders, etc. Dark brown could be poisoning from aniline compounds for example someone exposed to industrial chemicals during house refurb.
Or it can just be a fucked up blood sample - heat degradation can do it sometimes. Basically haemoglobincan bind other things as well as oxygen and some of them don’t let go so well and can kill or harm you.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

I like this old dude, deserves respect. He's like every good doctor should be and allways tries to go from an unbiased standpoint from official medical papers / studies and the likes, his voice and reasonable calm is like i know every well educated, professionnal doc should be. He's truely from an endangered species nowadays.

Well, 99% of my posts on this site and over all the interwebs are shitposts, but anything relating Dr. Campbell is complete opposite - he is a no-nonsense dude, retired, has no skin in the game and just tells how it is. Been giving out his videos out to my normie friends as well - no panic, just clear information on what is happening and what are the sensible precautions one must take.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Blood drawn properly does look quite dark because it’s not hit enough air to go bright red. Blood from someone with carbon monoxide poisoning looks a bit different
If you draw blood and it’s dark - like brown rust or dark blue, you have an issue. Blue can be caused by methemoglobinaemia, which can be caused by various things: poppers, lidocaine type anaesthetics, some congenital disorders, etc. Dark brown could be poisoning from aniline compounds for example someone exposed to industrial chemicals during house refurb.
Or it can just be a fucked up blood sample - heat degradation can do it sometimes. Basically haemoglobincan bind other things as well as oxygen and some of them don’t let go so well and can kill or harm you.

The video he's talking about is somewhere in the page hundred-something and is about some guy in a lab coat that tells the camera he's been analyzing blood samples, grabs a vial of blood-looking liquid (probably pig blood from the market) and dumps it on a bunch of absorbent paper, then grabs a vial of dark purple liquid that's clearly not blood (its just watery ink, like, it's really obviously just ink with water) and says its from a wuhan flu patient and dumps it on another paper. So while the explanations are appreciated and really interesting, yeah that wasn't blood and no one would be handling blood like that to begin with much less blood of a patient of a potentially deadly disease, like, dude just had a labcoat and gloves, it was really fake.

 

[robobobo]

Orchard towers - 4 floors of whores, basically a whore mall
I'm a girl I have no interest in whores a although my ex would probably indulge
in such debauchery. Don't supposed they be diseased? Aww what the hell may pay for a ticket and give him 5000 if I'm lucky he may catch the wu flu.

A pile of probably-trafficked asian whores in a big hotel? Yes, they're diseased. Not necessarily with this, but they've definitely got at least a few diseases floating around in there.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

This is probably a dumb question that’s been answered, but I had a question for other med/bio kiwis because my knowledge of virology is limited compared to general micro and histology. Did they ever figure out during the old SARS tests if reinfection after recovery in animal trials being more fatal than the initial exposure was definitive or if it was a flaw in their methodology? Was that a cytokine storm or were there other things in play? Regardless, we’ll be seeing more bodies for a while no matter what.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Local control > states' rights > national sovereignty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globalism.

Individualism>Local control> states' rights> national sovereignty>>>>>globalism

 

[eternal dog mongler]

The video he's talking about is somewhere in the page hundred-something and is about some guy in a lab coat that tells the camera he's been analyzing blood samples, grabs a vial of blood-looking liquid (probably pig blood from the market) and dumps it on a bunch of absorbent paper, then grabs a vial of dark purple liquid that's clearly not blood (its just watery ink, like, it's really obviously just ink with water) and says its from a wuhan flu patient and dumps it on another paper. So while the explanations are appreciated and really interesting, yeah that wasn't blood and no one would be handling blood like that to begin with much less blood of a patient of a potentially deadly disease, like, dude just had a labcoat and gloves, it was really fake.

Yeah, you can tell it's fake because the lab didn't immediately lose the blood sample, call a random nurse in a different unit to inform them that it was clotted and then the results pop up in the EHR like four hours later with a critical value nobody bothered to tell me about.

This is like lab workflow 101.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Idk, I had a contract in Singapore for couple of months and visited it couple of times w/o any problems. I guess the same rules apply as in any foreign country - don't look like a victim and don't stick your credit cards in dirty holes. It was some years ago, though, maybe it has changed for the worse.

That shithole monitors every face that comes with AI that can identify people from any country on Earth. And that's just what the operators have in place, you're talking about the crossroads of Johns from across the world.

Don't treat that as a casual visit, the fact you had a good time means you weren't worth draining at the time. That could change.

One of the overlooked things about this outbreak is how it has neutered China’s ability to wage economic warfare. At best, this will take two or three years for them to recuperate. At worst, it could end up being China’s lost decade. Frankly, the world will be better off in the long run and maybe they’ll learn global trade doesn’t have to revolve cheaply manufactured crap. If Trump’s smart, he’ll spend the second term beating China over the head with this whole fiasco. As will anyone else doing trade with China.

China floods economy with cash in bid to offset coronavirus impact

Commercial banks in China extended 3.34 trillion yuan (US$477 billion) of credit in January, an all-time high, with the country reeling from the coronavirus outbreak.

www.scmp.com

Coronavirus outbreak set to test resilience of China’s banking sector

A recent stress test by China’s central bank showed 17 of 30 local banks would fail to meet their capital adequacy ratio if growth slowed to 4.15 per cent.

www.scmp.com

China’s yuan tipped to fall as economy struggles to recover from virus

Analysts say the Chinese currency will face increased volatility as the new coronavirus continues to dampen activity in the world’s second biggest economy.

www.scmp.com

These are very sunny articles. If you only knew how bad it really is.

China has sunk nearly $800B into the stock markets to keep them afloat, by March 1 that number should reach $1 T. Their GDP is around $12 T, they are burning capital at a rate close to half the annual economy. All this news about them getting control of the situation is to satisfy investors, it has nothing to do with the reality on the ground. People are starting to fall over dead in Beijing the same way they were in Wuhan, the same kinds of party functionaries are running around pretending everything's fine.

If the virus continues rampaging for 3 months, there seriously could be a civil war. We're talking breakdown of ordinary social interactions, assassinations of government officials and Western business officials, smuggling of precious metals, cargo ships of durable goods going up to the highest bidder, guerillas ransoming infrastructure safety, rationing and starvation, anything short of people in the street with guns (they don't have many guns and even fewer bullets.)

Everyone in the Chinese middle class used to be dirt poor and the majority of them are stupid as shit. They are not going back and will murder each other in large numbers to avoid losing their smart phones. A lack of liquidity is a serious problem for Chinese banks and businesses, it means they can't handle day to day transactions for hundreds of millions of people. The moment people are not distracted, they are going to take it out on the government and then each other.

Don't want to sound too crazy but I'd put the odds of complete collapse of Chinese government at around 3%. Sure, that means it's highly unlikely this event will occur, but the fact there is a risk is what's significant. Governments will engage in some of the stupidest behaviors to try and stop that risk, often to their detriment.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

These are very sunny articles. If you only knew how bad it really is.

Oh, I’m well aware of just how boned they are, at this rate, we may end up needing a Chinese debt clock. What I’d like even more is a collage of headlines showing the change in tone about the virus. Because we’ve gone from “it’s just a cold, bro” to “This is a problem” in just a month. I think it’s going to be March or April when supply chains REALLY start to get fucked up, since I can’t imagine warehouses lasting that long with no new imports. That, and setting up shop elsewhere like Indonesia or Vietnam will require some time.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I got most of my online orders from china lately in surprisingly quick fashion. I had a few PCBs manufactured at pcbway and these actually did have a slight delay that was apparently connected to this, but they just arrived. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There is now a limitation in what can be fabricated though which according to their public statement is connected to personnel problems and policies imposed by the chinese government. I honestly am surprised I got anything at all, my guess was that it'd take months. Also they don't take large orders anymore for the time being.

 

[mr.moon1488]

If Iran has 18 cases why does the John Hopkins dashboard show them at only 5?

Is it that far behind?

I would suspect that they have regular updates scheduled, and they didn't know about that before posting the last update.

 

[Mammamia in Naziland]

Overall 14 cases in Lombardia, 2 in Veneto

You know the drill, sources in Italian:

Coronavirus, morto un uomo nel Padovano. Altri 15 casi in Lombardia

Aveva 78 anni, era uno dei due casi in Veneto. Il governatore Zaia: "Chiusura delle scuole, degli esercizi commerciali e ricostruzione di tutte le

www.repubblica.it

Padova, Coronavirus: due residenti di Vo’ Euganeo positivi al test

Si tratta di un uomo del 1942 e uno del 1953. Uno dei due è in terapia intensiva. Erano già ricoverati a Schiavonia. Chiusi scuole e negozi a Vo’. Zaia: «Molto preoccupati, creeremo una struttura per i contagiati»

corrieredelveneto.corriere.it

Recap of doom:
- the eight new cases in Lombardia are 5 doctors/nurses and 3 patients of the hospital in Codogno were the first infected went once his conditions got worse;
- the other three infected from this morning are elderly clients of the pub, whose owner's son is the friend that the patient one infected in turn;
- the initial batch of six people has an average age of around 40;
- at least another one of those who came in contact with the infected is running a fever, while the doctor who first visited him has pneumonia, test results pending.
- the suspected patient zero resulted negative to the test, but samples have been sent to Rome in order to search for eventual antibodies that would demonstrate a former Coronavirus infection;
- two elderly men in Veneto, 77 and 66, are the latest infected and in critical conditions. None of them have been in China nor seems to have been in contact with a suspect case. Their infection IS NOT related to the hotbed in Lombardia, at least for now. Both have already been hospitalized for a week, so you can bet the numbers in Veneto will only increase in the following days.
- all medical structures visited by the infected or the suspected cases are currently closed and isolated, the staff wears masks and other protections and those who were already hospitalized there are being tested.
- ten towns isolated, with school, offices, pubs and so on closed and the population being invited to remain home, for a total of 50000 citizens isolated.


Tl;dr: quite a virulent hotbed, with the virus jumping from the guy from China to his friend, to the latter's friend, to the clients of the pub of the father of this one and to a bunch of medical stuff coming in contact with the first patient. The 40 yo are faring ok, apart from the first bugger. The elderly are in much worse shape, the two in Veneto being critical.
The response has been IMHO extremely quick and more than appropriate: better starve out immediately the hotbed, even if that means isolating tens of thousands of citizens.