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Saw my first mask-wearer. Grocery store. I'm in the Central/West area of the US, about ~700 miles away from the nearest confirmed case.

His mask was... blue. Not a N95. Looked like a surgical or disposable dust mask.

We are, however, in a region known for preppers which has a certain pseudo-Christian religion that requires their people to prep -- to the point that the local Walmart has a Prepper section -- so, should be interesting if anything happens.
 
I'm afraid my friend, we're completely fucked. I ride 3 types of public transport every day and I just look at the masses of people. JFK. Penn Station. AMTRAK. An incubation period of 14-24+ days. Asymptomatic spreading. Lives on surfaces for 9 days. Can be transmitted through feces and urine.

It is already here. There's no fucking way its not. To be quite honest, every major metropolitan area should do random population screenings.



I use 3 forms of public transport, work in a place with many international people and am very close to multiple airports with vast numbers of travelers from who knows where the fuck. There's not enough hand sanitizer on the planet that will keep me safe. I'm super fucked, there's no prevention for me. Hell, it could be incubating right now and I wouldn't know for 3 weeks.

I mean, I guess I'm prepping? Though part of me feels like its futile.

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Just want to thank everyone for the tips. They're all bookmarked, if I'm not already completely fucked.
The Mayor of New York City is absolutely worthless. He doesn't roll into his office until 10:30 AM, after working out for a couple of hours. Meanwhile the Red Death is upon us and he's grooving on a treadmill. I hope a Chinaman coughs in his face next time he goes to Chinatown to show everyone how woke he is.
 
Do not involve your family on this larping seriously dude...
It's just a flue bro it's only killed 3,000+ people and blows up your heart.
A lady at the checkout asked if I have a really big family. I said, "No. I am preparing for the potential socioeconomic fallout from a global pandemic of wuflu." Everyone looked at me like I was wearing a tinfoil hat. I guess I am in the crazy class now.
Retards, all of them. Fuck 'em, they're the reason why there'll be runs on food when shit hits the fan. If they're really stupid enough to not take a novel, global disease like this seriously, then let the dumb sheep burn. They deserve it. They'll probably ignore it once they can't breath and find themselves confused when the doctor tells them they're fucking dying.
 
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I don't think any of us have brought up stockpiling other things than food, water, weapons and masks. Toothpaste, floss, laundry detergent, dishsoap, bodywash, lotion, lighters, candles, plastic bags, etc should all be taken into consideration.
Medical supplies and medicine. Some things you take for granted will be gone after the first case comes to your town. If you are forced to quarantine at home, things can happen that make it hard to get medical treatment. Plus people go crazy when they can't go out. Don't assume you are going to call 911 if something happens, it might be overwhelmed.

Get a couple large bottles of aspirin, multivitamins, antihistamines, anything for dealing with basic colds and pain.

Get bandages, band-aids, neosporin, antiseptic wipes, isopropyl alcohol, anything you might use for first aid and hygiene.

Go to one of the online antibiotics sites and buy ciprofloxacin and azithromycin. See if they also have isoprinosine, it's an antiviral.

While it doesn't hurt to have currency sitting around, get a ton of cheap beer and liquor. Useful for bartering should things get desperate.
 
If you spend enough time around Asians you start to pick up subtle cues distinguishing Japanese from Korean from Vietnamese etc.

Bet your ass the people from these ethnostates can tell each other apart.

Oh, they can. I could tell ethnic Koreans from ethnic Japanese after a couple of years tops in Japan. Different set to their faces and hold themselves very different in general. Dress sense can be a giveaway too. It's the same way you can often tell a white person's nationality from observing the way they look; facal features, dress sense, mannersisms and movement before they even open their mouths.

There are a lot of subtle cultural clues that you pick up on that are particular to certain places. Japanese will be able to pick out non-Japanese Asians at forty paces from all the specifically non-Japanese cues they put out.
 
So the one infected guy in Germany is apparently already in critical condition:

Top news: There is also the first Corona case in North Rhine-Westphalia. A couple from Erkelenz in the Heinsberg district was brought to the university clinic in Düsseldorf. The 47-year-old man tested positive. The man was admitted on Monday afternoon with symptoms of severe pneumonia in the Hermann Josef Hospital in Erkelenz, the state government said. The patient is in critical condition and is currently being isolated in the intensive care unit. He is said to have had a previous illness.

The patient's wife is also treated in hospital with symptoms of a viral disease. Her condition is currently stable. The diagnosis of whether she has also been infected with the virus is still pending. Her coronavirus was initially not detected until Tuesday evening.


Hong Kong is giving out free money:

The government in the Chinese special administrative region of Hong Kong is countering the impending economic crisis due to the coronavirus outbreak with an unusual measure: All residents permanently registered in the financial metropolis will receive 10,000 Hong Kong dollars (1180 euros) in cash, as Finance Minister Paul Chan announced on Wednesday , The city government has made a total of $ 120 billion available in the fight against the economic consequences of the epidemic.
In order to cope with the enormous cash expenditure, the Hong Kong government uses the financial reserves of over one trillion Hong Kong dollars built up in recent years. "It is guaranteed to meet the expectations of our population that we use our financial reserves wisely to support companies and alleviate people's plight," said Chan.
The government in the financial metropolis hopes that people will spend more money after spending cash and thus stimulate the local economy. The Hong Kong economy is facing an "enormous challenge," Chan said. It is possible that the economy will collapse by up to 1.5 percent due to the corona virus crisis.

US troops report first case of infection in South Korea

After the outbreak of the lung disease Covid-19 in South Korea, the novel corona virus was also detected for the first time in a soldier of the US troops in the country. The U.S. Army Korea (USFK) said it is a 23-year-old soldier from the Camp Carrol military base, which is located in the region most affected by the outbreak in the southeast of the country. "The patient is currently in self-quarantine in his home away from home," USFK said on Wednesday. The United States has deployed 28,500 soldiers in South Korea as a deterrent to potential threats from North Korea.

1 new case in Croatia: the brother of the first case, infected after visiting Milan in Italy.


 
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Dear god. Okay, first off, don't buy a fucking rifle for home defense. We're trying to avoid over-penetration here, not emphasize it. Don't get a huge-ass shotgun slug either, same deal. Yeah, you can Dirty Harry a fist-sized hole in someone, but that fist-sized hole will continue through your dog, the wall behind your dog, your neighbor's window, and your neighbor's kid. If you absolutely must have a shotgun for trying to shoot a person from fifteen feet away inside your house, go with birdshot or a less-lethal rubber load. Don't let the name fool you, "less-lethal" is still going to shatter somebody's ribcage at point blank range, cops manage to kill people with that ammo on a pretty regular basis. But at least it won't blow through three rooms of your house when you pull the trigger.

Also, the sound and recoil on a shotgun must be experienced to be believed, it is brutal. A couple shots is often enough to leave a welt on my shoulder in the pattern of the fabric of my shirt, a newbie pulling the trigger for the first time on one is liable to freak out and drop the thing. Or if they're super hilarious and bought a pistol-grip shotgun thinking they're gonna be like the terminator, they're definitely dropping it after it recoils straight into their face and breaks their nose when they held it wrong.

As far as pistols go, avoid automatics, stick to a revolver. When someone's freaking out, they tend to fuck themselves over with automatics, either by fumbling the slide or the safety, or by pulling the trigger and shooting themselves when they're trying to draw the gun if they had it chambered. A revolver has no complexity, you pull the bang switch, it goes bang. It also has an integral safety feature in a heavy-ass trigger that's a whole lot harder to pull accidentally. It's far harder for a panicking person to fuck up using a revolver. And same deal with revolvers as with other guns, don't got apeshit with huge calibers and overpressure rounds, we want to avoid collateral damage. Frangible or hollow-point rounds, ideally you don't want the bullet coming out the other side of your target, or if it does you don't want it coming out in a state where it can injure a person behind them.

How about a nice SMG? :aug:

Medical supplies and medicine. Some things you take for granted will be gone after the first case comes to your town. If you are forced to quarantine at home, things can happen that make it hard to get medical treatment. Plus people go crazy when they can't go out. Don't assume you are going to call 911 if something happens, it might be overwhelmed.

Get a couple large bottles of aspirin, multivitamins, antihistamines, anything for dealing with basic colds and pain.

Get bandages, band-aids, neosporin, antiseptic wipes, isopropyl alcohol, anything you might use for first aid and hygiene.

Go to one of the online antibiotics sites and buy ciprofloxacin and azithromycin. See if they also have isoprinosine, it's an antiviral.

While it doesn't hurt to have currency sitting around, get a ton of cheap beer and liquor. Useful for bartering should things get desperate.

While everybody's on the topic, I'll take it as an excuse to share this because prepper shit is intensely cathartic to my admittedly paranoid self. This guy will be having no troubles with corona-chan:

 
Last night shopping. The store clerks said people were buying stuff all day as if they were preparing for a war scenario. Many shelves were already empty.
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the local Walmart has a Prepper section
Really? I would genuinely love to see this. I have three kids who eat like horses and could do with my local Tesco selling mega packs of stuff. Tell me more about this prepper section. Is it labelled as one? What does it sell?


I keep seeing references to infertility but I’ve not seen any actual data on this - can anyone help me out? Many viruses do lurk for a long time in the semen because the testicle is a partially immune privileged organ (like the eyeball.) where are the references to infertility coming from?


random point: It may amuse you all to know that the viral vector that one of the candidate MERS and SARS vaccines used was called ChAdOx1. I’m. not sure If this is what’s been used to create the vaccine candidate just produced by moderna
 
A bit late, sorry if mentioned already:


Philippines won't impose travel ban on South Korea for now
Cabinet Secretary Karlo Nograles says no Filipino based in South Korea has tested positive for the novel coronavirus so far

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Published 2:35 PM, February 24, 2020
Updated 2:35 PM, February 24, 2020


ON ALERT. People in traditional Korean hanbok dresses wear face masks as they visit Gyeongbokgung Palace in Seoul, South Korea, on February 23, 2020. Photo by Jung Yeon-je/AFP

ON ALERT. People in traditional Korean hanbok dresses wear face masks as they visit Gyeongbokgung Palace in Seoul, South Korea, on February 23, 2020. Photo by Jung Yeon-je/AFP

MANILA, Philippines – The Philippine government will not yet impose a travel ban on South Korea, which has so far recorded the highest number of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) cases outside of mainland China.
On Monday, February 24, Cabinet Secretary Karlo Nograles told Malacañang reporters that the inter-agency task force handling the 2019-nCoV outbreak has yet to talk about possibly restricting travel to and from South Korea.
He said the Philippine government would be relying on existing protocols and recommendations from the World Health Organization (WHO) before imposing another travel ban.
"Sa ngayon wala pang desisyon 'no? Pag-uusapan ito sa task force," Nograles said. (Right now there's still no decision on this, okay? The task force will still talk about it.)

There has been a surge of 2019-nCoV infections in South Korea in the past days, with the country recording 763 confirmed cases as of 1:50 pm on Monday. Of this number, 7 people have died while 18 have recovered from COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. (READ: South Korea on frontline as coronavirus spreads)
Nograles assured the public that none of those who tested positive in South Korea is a Filipino.
To stay updated on news, advisories, and explainers, check out our special coverage page, “Novel Coronavirus Outbreak.”
"So far, Filipinos there are safe, and I think the South Korean government is also doing everything that they can to contain the epidemic and control the situation," said the Cabinet secretary in a mix of English and Filipino.
For now, the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs has advised Filipinos to "delay non-essential travel" to South Korea.
The Philippines is currently imposing a partial travel ban on China and its administrative regions Hong Kong and Macau to help prevent the spread of COVID-19. But the government has already allowed some 25,000 Filipinos to return to their jobs or homes in Hong Kong and Macau after being stranded in the Philippines due to the travel ban. – Rappler.com

Good luck
 
here s an interesting read http://archive.is/eZb6N

How the Coronavirus Revealed Authoritarianism’s Fatal Flaw

China’s use of surveillance and censorship makes it harder for Xi Jinping to know what’s going on in his own country.
Zeynep Tufekci February 22, 2020

People wearing masks walk past a portrait of Chinese President Xi Jinping.
Aly Song / Reuters
China is in the grip of a momentous crisis. The novel coronavirus that emerged late last year has already claimed three times more lives than the SARS outbreak in 2003, and it is still spreading. More than 50 million people (more than the combined metro populations of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and San Francisco) remain under historically unprecedented lockdown, unable to leave their city—and in many cases, even their apartment. Many countries no longer accept visiting Chinese nationals, or if they do, quarantine them for weeks. Big companies are pulling out of trade shows. Production is suffering. Profound economic consequences are bound to ensue, not just in China but around the world.


How did Xi Jinping—the general secretary of the Communist Party of China, who has been consolidating his power since taking over the post in 2012—let things get to this point?
It might be that he didn’t fully know what was happening in his own country until it was too late.
Xi would be far from the first authoritarian to have been blindsided. Ironically, for all the talk of the technological side of Chinese authoritarianism, China’s use of technology to ratchet up surveillance and censorship may have made things worse, by making it less likely that Xi would even know what was going on in his own country.


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Authoritarian blindness is a perennial problem, especially in large countries like China with centralized, top-down administration. Indeed, Xi would not even be the first Chinese ruler to fall victim to the totality of his own power. On August 4, 1958, buoyed by reports pouring in from around the country of record grain, rice, and peanut production, an exuberant Chairman Mao Zedong wondered how to get rid of the excess, and advised people to eat “five meals a day.” Many did, gorging themselves in the new regime canteens and even dumping massive amounts of “leftovers” down gutters and toilets. Export agreements were made to send tons of food abroad in return for machinery or currency. Just months later, perhaps the greatest famine in recorded history began, in which tens of millions would die because, in fact, there was no such surplus. Quite the opposite: The misguided agricultural policies of the Great Leap Forward had caused a collapse in food production. Yet instead of reporting the massive failures, the apparatchiks in various provinces had engaged in competitive exaggeration, reporting ever-increasing surpluses both because they were afraid of reporting bad news and because they wanted to please their superiors.

Mao didn’t know famine was at hand, because he had set up a system that ensured he would hear lies.
Smart rulers have tried to create workarounds to avoid this authoritarian dilemma. Dynastic China, for example, had institutionalized mechanisms to petition the emperor: a right that was theoretically granted to everyone, including the lowest farmers and the poorest city dwellers. This system was intended to check corruption in provinces and uncover problems, but in practice, it was limited in many ways, filtered through courtiers to a single emperor, who could listen to only so many in a day. Many rulers also cultivated their own independent sources of information in far-flung provinces.
Thanks to technology, there is a much more robust option for authoritarians in the 21st century: big-data analytics in a digital public sphere. For a few years, it appeared that China had found a way to be responsive to its citizens without giving them political power. Researchers have shown, for example, that posts on Weibo (China’s Twitter) complaining about problems in governance or corruption weren’t all censored. Many were allowed to stay up, allowing crucial information to trickle up to authorities. For example, viral posts about forced demolitions (a common occurrence in China) or medical mistreatment led to authorities sacking the officials involved, or to victim compensation that would otherwise not have occurred. A corrupt official was even removed from office after outraged netizens on social media pointed out the expensive watches he wore, which were impossible to buy on his government salary.






The public sphere in China during those years wasn’t a free-for-all, to be sure. One couldn’t call for collective action or for deposing the central government. But social media gave citizens a voice and a way to make an impact, and it served as an early-warning system for party leaders. (The only other topic that seemed to be off-limits was the censors themselves—researchers found that they eagerly zapped complaints directed at them.)
This responsive form of authoritarianism didn’t happen just on social media. Beginning in the early 2000s, China held “deliberative polls” in which citizens debated local budgets, important issues, and even reforms that would give them the right to information on government actions. In Zeguo township in Wenling, a municipality of more than 1 million residents, authorities created deliberative bodies wherein they engaged citizens (usually a few hundred, with randomness ensuring they were representative of the population) over a few days by providing information (including detailed accounts of the city’s budget) and hosting discussions to decide on issues of public significance. Authorities sometimes went as far as to pledge, in advance, to abide by the decisions of these bodies. For many years, such experiments flourished all over China and, combined with the digital public sphere, led scholars to wonder whether the “deliberative turn” in the country’s otherwise authoritarian state was not a means of weakening authoritarianism, but of making it more sustainable.

Yet, this deliberative turn was soon reversed.
Since taking power in 2012, Xi has shifted back to traditional one-man rule, concentrating more and more power into his hands. He has deployed an ever-more suffocating system of surveillance, propaganda, and repression, while attempting to create a cult of personality reminiscent of the Mao era, except with apps instead of little red books.
[Read: China’s surveillance state should scare everyone]
Unlike books, though, apps can spy on people.
One hundred million or so people in China have been, ahem, persuaded to download a party-propaganda app named “Study Xi, Strong Nation,” which makes users watch inculcation videos and take quizzes in a gamified, points-based system. It also allegedly gives the government access to the complete contents of users’ phones. It almost doesn’t matter whether the app contains such backdoor access or not: Reasonable people will act as if it does and be wary in all of their communications. Xi has also expanded China’s system of cameras linked to facial-recognition databases, which may someday be able to identify people everywhere they go. Again, the actual workings of the system are secondary to their chilling effects: For ordinary people, the safe assumption is that if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, the authorities will know.






An earlier hint that Xi’s China was falling into authoritarian blindness came during the ongoing Hong Kong protests. The demonstrations had started over a minor demand—the withdrawal of an extradition bill of little strategic importance to Beijing. Protest is the traditional way that Hong Kongers, who do not have full voting rights, express discontent. But this time the Beijing insiders miscalculated. They genuinely believed that the real cause for the Hong Kong unrest was the high rents on the densely populated island, and also thought that the people did not support the protesters. Authoritarian blindness had turned an easily solvable problem into a bigger, durable crisis that exacted a much heavier political toll, a pattern that would repeat itself after a mysterious strain of pneumonia emerged in a Wuhan seafood market.
In early December, a strange cluster of patients from a local seafood market, which also sold wildlife for consumption, started showing up in Wuhan hospitals. These initial patients developed a fever and pneumonia that did not seem to be caused by any known viruses. Given the SARS experience of 2003, local doctors were quickly alarmed. With any such novel virus, medical providers are keen to know how it spreads: If the virus is unable to spread from human to human, it’s a tragedy, but a local one, and for only a few people. If it can sustainably spread from human to human, as was the case with SARS, it could turn into a global pandemic, with potentially massive numbers of victims.

Given exponential growth dynamics of infectious diseases, containing an epidemic is straightforward early on, but nearly impossible once a disease spreads among a population. So it’s maximally important to identify and quarantine candidate cases as early as possible, and that means leadership must have access to accurate information.
Before the month of December was out, the hospitals in Wuhan knew that the coronavirus was spreading among humans. Medical workers who had treated the sick but never visited the seafood market were falling ill. On December 30, a group of doctors attempted to alert the public, saying that seven patients were in isolation due to a SARS-like disease. On the same day, an official document admitting both a link to the seafood market and a new disease was leaked online. On December 31, facing swirling rumors, the Wuhan government made its first official announcement, confirming 27 cases but, crucially, denying human-to-human transmission. Teams in hazmat suits were finally sent to close down the seafood market, though without explaining much to the befuddled, scared vendors. On January 1, police said they had punished eight medical workers for “rumors,” including a doctor named Li Wenliang, who was among the initial group of whistleblowers.






While the unsuspecting population of Wuhan, a city of 11 million, went about its business, the local government did not update the number of infected people from January 5 to January 10. But the signs of sustained human-to-human transmission grew. Emergency wards were filling up, not just with people who had been to the seafood market, but with their family members as well. On January 6, Li noticed an infection in the scan of a fellow doctor, but officials at the hospital “ordered him not to disclose any information to the public or the media.” On January 7, another infected person was operated on, spreading the disease to 14 more medical workers.
[Read: The coronavirus is spreading because humans are healthier]
Things went on in this suspended state for another 10 days, while the virus kept spreading. Incredibly, on January 19, just one day after the death of yet another doctor who had become infected, officials from across the populous Hubei province held a 40,000-family outdoor banquet in Wuhan, its capital, as part of the official celebrations for China’s Lunar New Year.

The dam broke on January 20—just three days before Wuhan would initiate a draconian lockdown that blocked millions of people from leaving. On that day, the respected SARS scientist Zhong Nanshan went on national television, confirming the new virus and human-to-human transmission. That same day, Xi Jinping gave his first public speech about the coronavirus, after he returned from an overseas trip to Myanmar.
Things have dramatically escalated since then. Just one month later, by some estimates, more than 700 million people in China are living under some form of restrictions to their movements, in addition to the severe lockdown in the Hubei province. Domestic social media has erupted in anger at both China’s central leadership and local officials in Hubei province, where the disease began. There are calls for free speech, fury over the death of one of the early medical whistleblowers from the virus, and frustrations with the quarantine.
It’s not clear why Xi let things spin so far out of control. It might be that he brushed aside concerns from his aides until it was too late, but a stronger possibility is that he did not know the crucial details. Hubei authorities may have lied, not just to the public but also upward—to the central government. Just as Mao didn’t know about the massive crop failures, Xi may not have known that a novel coronavirus with sustained human-to-human transmission was brewing into a global pandemic until too late.

It’s nearly impossible to gather direct evidence from such a secretive state, but consider the strong, divergent actions before and after January 20—within one day, Hubei officials went from almost complete cover-up and business as usual to shutting down a whole city.





Another reason to think Xi did not know is that he would have every incentive to act quickly given China’s experience with SARS, during which he was already a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Both SARS and the Wuhan virus (which causes the disease now dubbed COVID-19) are zoonotic coronaviruses, with similar origins and pandemic potential. SARS was contained, though barely, and not before significant economic costs following a failed cover-up. Such an experience should have made it clear that cover-ups are futile when it comes to pandemics, because viruses don’t respect borders. (The Soviet Union learned that radiation doesn’t either, when Sweden alerted the world to the Chernobyl accident.)
It’s hard to imagine that a leader of Xi’s experience would be so lax as to let the disease spread freely for almost two months, only to turn around and shut the whole country down practically overnight.

In many ways, his hand was forced by his own system. Under the conditions of massive surveillance and censorship that have grown under Xi, the central government likely had little to no signals besides official reports to detect, such as online public conversations about the mystery pneumonia. In contrast, during the SARS epidemic, some of the earliest signs were online conversations and rumors in China about a flu outbreak. These were picked up by the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network, who alerted the World Health Organization, who then started pressuring China to come clean, which finally triggered successful containment efforts.
If people are too afraid to talk, and if punishing people for “rumors” becomes the norm, a doctor punished for spreading news of a disease in one province becomes just another day, rather than an indication of impending crisis. Later, under criticism, Xi would say he gave instructions for fighting the virus as early as January 7, implying that he knew about it all along. But how could he admit the alternative? This is his system.

Contrary to common belief, the killer digital app for authoritarianism isn’t listening in on people through increased surveillance, but listening to them as they express their honest opinions, especially complaints. An Orwellian surveillance-based system would be overwhelming and repressive, as it is now in China, but it would also be similar to losing sensation in parts of one’s body due to nerve injuries. Without the pain to warn the brain, the hand stays on the hot stove, unaware of the damage to the flesh until it’s too late.
During the Ming dynasty, Emperor Zhu Di found out that some petitions to the emperor had not made it to him, because officials were blocking them. He was alarmed and ordered such blocks removed. “Stability depends on superior and inferior communicating; there is none when they do not. From ancient times, many a state has fallen because a ruler did not know the affairs of the people,” he said. Xi would have done well to take note.
 

Tests for coronavirus are being increased to include people displaying flu-like symptoms at 11 hospitals and 100 GP surgeries across the UK.

The tests will provide an "early warning" if the virus is spreading, Public Health England medical director Prof Paul Cosford said.

It comes as more schools closed or sent staff and pupils home following trips to Italy, which has over 300 cases.

The virus has also spread to other European countries.

Prof Cosford told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We are heightening our vigilance because of the apparent spread of the virus in countries outside mainland China."

Up to now, people were tested only if they displayed symptoms having recently returned from one of the countries where there has been an outbreak, including China, South Korea and northern Italy.

However, Prof Cosford said Public Health England was now working with hospitals and GP surgeries to conduct "random" tests.

These will target some patients with coughs, fevers or shortness of breath, regardless of whether they have travelled to a place where the virus is spreading.

"If we do get to the position of a more widespread infection across the country, then it will give us early warning that's happening," said Prof Cosford.

'Difficult decisions'
He said the UK was still in the "containment" phase of dealing with the coronavirus, and added that efforts to identify and isolate people with the virus returning to the UK were "working really quite well".

Prof Cosford said Public Health England was not giving "blanket advice" that schools should close if staff or pupils have travelled to areas with outbreaks of the virus.

But, he said, schools made "difficult decisions" according to their specific circumstances.

Four schools have shut completely for a week to carry out a "deep clean" after students and teachers returned from skiing trips in northern Italy over half term.

Another school, St Christopher's C of E High School in Accrington, told parents it would be closed on Wednesday as a precautionary measure after some pupils returning from Pila in the Italian Alps said they felt unwell.
 
I only lurk here, I guess personal messages work..if so, see below.

Gunsmith/engineer here, pm questions on firearms, handling, troubleshooting, ammunition, reloading.. anything. I can recomend good reading too for self teaching/philosophy

I will say that that the best form of practice is dry firing (builds skills without having to deal with noise and recoil). Guns (not rifles) and rimfires are not good to dry fire as they can be damaged if you do (ask me how).

.22lr, 12ga, .308... can't go wrong. Buy a firearm which is chambered for popular cartridges, you can get the ammo at a milk bar

Use the hand gun to get to your shotgun, shotgun to get to your rifle. That's the priority

Rifle is the the queen of self defence
 
Second death in France:

"A second person infected with the virus has died in France, the country's health authorities said on Wednesday.

In a televised statement, senior health director Jerome Salomon said a 60 year old French man in a very serious condition was tested at a hospital in Paris, late on Tuesday, but unfortunately he died during the night.

The deceased was one of three new cases in France, bringing the total confirmed infections in France to 17."



We have a couple of suspected cases in Austria, we'll see how this turns out:

"Suspected coronavirus: School evacuated

According to a report by the daily newspaper "Krone", a school in the eighth district is being evacuated on suspicion of a coronavirus infection. A teacher at the BGRG Albertgasse may have contracted the virus while staying in northern Italy.
The police confirmed to Radio Vienna that there was a suspicion that this was currently being investigated, the police said. As a precaution, the school is now being cleared to prevent possible spread, according to the "Krone". More information soon."


edit:--> correction/update: not evacuation

Contrary to initial reports, the Albertgasse grammar school in the 8th district was initially not evacuated. A teacher may have become infected while staying in Northern Italy. The case is currently being clarified.

According to the police, parents are free to pick up their children from school earlier. Classes should initially continue until 12 noon. Upon request from the APA, the Ministry of Education also confirmed that the school will not be closed for the time being. (derstandard.at)

Tourist from Italy died in Carinthia

A tourist has died in Carinthia, there is a suspicion of an infection with the corona virus - there is no confirmation yet. The province of Carinthia announced Wednesday morning that it was a 56-year-old woman from Italy. The emergency doctor could not rule out suspected coronavirus in the event of death.


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UH OH!
"BBC's Nick Robinson tested for coronavirus and self-isolating after flying from Vietnam"
BBC Radio 4 presenter Nick Robinson has said he is in self-isolation at home over fears of contracting deadly coronavirus after returning from a trip abroad.

He tweeted: "Two days self isolation at home. What to watch/read ? The Irishman? United beating Watford ? Democratic debate ? Any other thoughts. Need light relief after reading brilliant but harrowing books about. Vietnam War & Killing Fields.


"Thoughts go to all those on NHS frontline working to keep us safe from coronavirus. Thanks to staff at @WhitHealth who tested me last night on return from great holiday in Vietnam & Cambodia. Routine precautionary check on doctors advice. Hope for all clear within 48 hours."

Nick's admission comes after Channel 4's Jon Snow also announced he was self-isolating having flown home from Iran this week.

The veteran broadcaster - who has been the face of Channel 4 News since 1989 - has enforced his own quarantine following his recent stint in the Middle East.

In a piece to camera, Jon shared how he was feeling while being contained in the four walls of his north London flat


The journalist confessed the enormity of spending the time by himself for the next 14 days hasn't hit him yet.
(https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/breaking-bbcs-nick-robinson-tested-21579310)
 
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"lol guise it's just a flu, calm down!"
 
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"lol guise it's just a flu, calm down!"
"It's just a flu yes it has a much higher mortality rate that may or not be worse if reinfected, just please give us money."
 
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