Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[Adamska]

You werent going to buy from him anyway.

I have before though and mentioned interest in other products, but little actions like that and people like you are why I probably won't.

GG, hypertribal hacks like you means Ethan won't receive repeated money from me.

 

[Rupin]

I have before though and mentioned interest in other products, but little actions like that and people like you are why I probably won't.

GG, hypertribal hacks like you means Ethan won't receive repeated money from me.

you sound butthurt.

 

[Adamska]

you sound butthurt.

I'm not the one who kept coming on here when no one else was here and desperately trying to validate myself and this movement to a fellow tribesman, so I just see this as projection tbh.

 

[Rupin]

I'm not the one who kept coming on here when no one else was here and desperately trying to validate myself and this movement to a fellow tribesman, so I just see this as projection tbh.

the movement is already validated. Did you not see how the Quartering kissed Ceasar’s ring last night?

 

[instythot]

Video games also are mainstream and aren't a medium on the brink of death like American comics are.

If either Marvel or DC closes it's fucked.

You could argue that physical music releases have been fucked for 15 to 20 years and still they persist. If that happens, I think it just gets smaller and more independent. We didn't really see the democratization of comics the way we did with music production that internet access and cheap processing power enabled yet, so that's an avenue for a savvy creator to stake out some new territory in. It probably just changes

Interesting how the man who draws internet frog comics pivoted from "the business model is a work in progress, we're all figuring it out" when faced with some price criticism to "fuck that, there's no reason to keep costs down and pass that along to the paypigs shoveling money at me" when some concrete suggestions on how to do so appeared.

Aside: I don't even know why he spends time in here. There is nothing for him to gain by arguing with randoms under his government name on a site with the reputation of Kiwi Farms other than his dozen or so daily dick sucks from a few superfans who undoubtedly interact with him on other platforms too

 

[AnOminous]

You could argue that physical music releases have been fucked for 15 to 20 years and still they persist. If that happens, I think it just gets smaller and more independent. We didn't really see the democratization of comics the way we did with music production that internet access and cheap processing power enabled yet, so that's an avenue for a savvy creator to stake out some new territory in. It probably just changes

Unless you're some vinyl-obsessed hipster, listening to music is exactly the same experience when listening to a high quality digital copy as when listening to something on a physical medium, and arguably better. There's still something profoundly unsatisfying about reading a comic online. People want a physical copy.

 

[instythot]

Unless you're some vinyl-obsessed hipster, listening to music is exactly the same experience when listening to a high quality digital copy as when listening to something on a physical medium, and arguably better. There's still something profoundly unsatisfying about reading a comic online. People want a physical copy.

There's something there. I bet getting those book on demand kiosks into comic book stores solves some that and a lot of the distribution issues independent creators seem to be facing

 

[KingofNothing]

You could argue that physical music releases have been fucked for 15 to 20 years and still they persist. If that happens, I think it just gets smaller and more independent. We didn't really see the democratization of comics the way we did with music production that internet access and cheap processing power enabled yet, so that's an avenue for a savvy creator to stake out some new territory in. It probably just changes

People have been able to buy digital comics for years, but their sales numbers are abysmal compared to physical copies. People just want to hold this shit in their hands. Comics as a whole won't die though because stuff like DogMan sell like crazy and aren't stuck in tiny comic shops that no one goes to. But the floppies and capeshit will take a massive hit if either Marvel or DC get out of the comic scene because the people who buy those in particular tend to only buy them from tiny comic shops

There's something there. I bet getting those book on demand kiosks into comic book stores solves some that and a lot of the distribution issues independent creators seem to be facing

They should do what Peter Simeti from Alterna Comics is doing, getting those books into other stores again like supermarkets. They need to make this books visible to the public eye again.

 

[instythot]

People have been able to buy digital comics for years, but their sales numbers are abysmal compared to physical copies. People just want to hold this shit in their hands. Comics as a whole won't die though because stuff like DogMan sell like crazy and aren't stuck in tiny comic shops that no one goes to. But the floppies and capeshit will take a massive hit if either Marvel or DC get out of the comic scene because the people who buy those in particular tend to only buy them from tiny comic shops

Here's a counterpoint:

Digital manga sales exceed physical sales. Aside from black and white vs color and reading direction, one of the main differences between formats is microspecialization. There is something out there for everyone in manga, with a subgenre for nearly everything you could imagine.

Taking a different view to the situation, one could argue that the existing American customers don't care about digital, but that American comics with mostly cape stuff to show off don't yet offer a product that a potentially huge untapped market would be willing to buy digital

 

[Adamska]

the movement is already validated. Did you not see how the Quartering kissed Ceasar’s ring last night?
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You keep doing it, you keep on desperately bleating how strong the movement is, which just validates my point that you're just an insecure tribalist fruitloop. Especially since by your tribe's logice, about... I dunno, half? Let's go with half, needs to be removed from that batch.

But then that would make the money numbers, your only good ones, look worse.

Seriously, you're bragging about a thrice retard from several other embarrassing movements bowing to a middle aged man as you desperately seek dopamine from a win. That's pathetic.

 

[instythot]

You keep doing it, you keep on desperately bleating how strong the movement is, which just validates my point that you're just an insecure tribalist fruitloop. Especially since by your tribe's logice, about... I dunno, half? Let's go with half, needs to be removed from that batch.

But then that would make the money numbers, your only good ones, look worse.

Seriously, you're bragging about a thrice exceptional individual from several other embarrassing movements bowing to a middle aged man as you desperately seek dopamine from a win. That's pathetic.

It's like bloodsports never happened some days. Making the quartering stick to a position when confronted with the person he was talking about is the thing people should think is notable enough to brag about

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Eventually you'll have to give us our due. And kneel before Caesar.

When books come timely and good maybe, a good portion of the books either canceled, came late or came in shit quality.

I don't think we have too many of our figureheads with threads here except for TUG.

Luckily you and others didn't troon out over a raggedy mailbox and accused renfamous of doing it, her fatass can't go to Houston i doubt she would go to Tennessee.

ComicsGate started out the same way, except substitute Gail Simone and Dan Slott for Anita. It failed too. Now it's become people who have actual discernible marketable talent making independent comics on our own terms.

Sadly the neckbeards of cg are late in their books, i hope you guys implement the zack model after you guys do your first campaign or give a reasonable release date and communicating with fans when things happen.

 

[KingofNothing]

Here's a counterpoint:

Digital manga sales exceed physical sales. Aside from black and white vs color and reading direction, one of the main differences between formats is microspecialization. There is something out there for everyone in manga, with a subgenre for nearly everything you could imagine.

Taking a different view to the situation, one could argue that the existing American customers don't care about digital, but that American comics with mostly cape stuff to show off don't yet offer a product that a potentially huge untapped market would be willing to buy digital

I pretty much agree completely with this, manga sales have been doing marvelously in the digital realm. Although I think part of that has to do with the fact that the only practical way to consistently read these outside of Japan is on a website and manga does a better job at enticing the younger audience who don't have the same issues concerning digital material.

I also think manga has a better distribution method for digital like the Shonen Jump membership. Two dollars a month with a vast library to parse through? Amazing deal. Five bucks to read a single 20 page issue of Batman on comixology? Not so amazing. Marvel, DC, IDW, etc need to take a good hard look at what Japan is doing because the market is there

 

[New Fag]

They should do what Peter Simeti from Alterna Comics is doing, getting those books into other stores again like supermarkets. They need to make this books visible to the public eye again.

About that... Pete has stopped Newsstand distribution cause they (the newsstands) are idiots with keeping an accurate records of sales, such as a store returning more of one issue than was sent, here's the full livestream with newsstand being the first thing they talk about. I'm not sure how this affects deals like with Sheetz it's been a while since I watched the whole livestream (OVER 2HRS!!!).

https://youtu.be/ZgsUmDvGbfo (sorry I don't know how to embed or whatever)

Also while I'm here thoughts and prayers to Alterna they've had a tough year, missed shipment (thanks Diamond), finding a new printer (Holding the line at $1.99 livestream title) and most recently they're getting overshipments. It's not been a good time and I wish Publishing Pete and the gang the best of luck.

 

[instythot]

I also think manga has a better distribution method for digital like the Shonen Jump membership. Two dollars a month with a vast library to parse through? Amazing deal. Five bucks to read a single 20 page issue of Batman on comixology? Not so amazing. Marvel, DC, IDW, etc need to take a good hard look at what Japan is doing because the market is there

This gets back to the thing people have been trying to make someone understand. The price of their offerings is wrong

 

[KingofNothing]

About that... Pete has stopped Newsstand distribution cause they (the newsstands) are idiots with keeping an accurate records of sales, such as a store returning more of one issue than was sent, here's the full livestream with newsstand being the first thing they talk about. I'm not sure how this affects deals like with Sheetz it's been a while since I watched the whole livestream (OVER 2HRS!!!).

https://youtu.be/ZgsUmDvGbfo (sorry I don't know how to embed or whatever)

Also while I'm here thoughts and prayers to Alterna they've had a tough year, missed shipment (thanks Diamond), finding a new printer (Holding the line at $1.99 livestream title) and most recently they're getting overshipments. It's not been a good time and I wish Publishing Pete and the gang the best of luck.

Oh man, that's really unfortunate. Peter was busting his ass to get his comics out to the public. Hope he figures out a way to fix that hiccup.
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This gets back to the thing people have been trying to make someone understand. The price of their offerings is wrong

Yeah pricing is still an issue even if shipping has been figured out for the states at least. The only other thing I could think of is if the CG equivalent of Image Comics got created and they just put all the players under one roof to handle the costs

@FROG Serious question, I'm sure you thought about this, but how viable would making your own Image Comics be? Is there enough talent going around to even attempt this?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

I'm sure you thought about this, but how viable would making your own Image Comics be? Is there enough talent going around to even attempt this?

It would probably be late books and war campaign handling the social media accounts harassing people like how online cg is like, but him having his own image comics? With how cg has been like for a year? Its going to collapse quickly. Zack could work running a comic business but the rest of cg? Not so much.

 

[Rupin]

Oh man, that's really unfortunate. Peter was busting his ass to get his comics out to the public. Hope he figures out a way to fix that hiccup.
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Yeah pricing is still an issue even if shipping has been figured out for the states at least. The only other thing I could think of is if the CG equivalent of Image Comics got created and they just put all the players under one roof to handle the costs

@FROG Serious question, I'm sure you thought about this, but how viable would making your own Image Comics be? Is there enough talent going around to even attempt this?

if FROG made an Image comics can you imagine how high off the charts the hate would be for him? People are already accusing him of gatekeeping and having CG as his own personal club. Him solidifying CG into a company would just make those accusations a reality.

i dont think it would be a good idea for him because he would have to watch his online behavior and he wouldn't be working for just himself anymore. He would have to depend on others to get off their ass and complete their books on time.

 

[KingofNothing]

It would probably be late books and war campaign handling the social media accounts harassing people like how online cg is like, but him having his own image comics? With how cg has been like for a year? Its going to collapse quickly. Zack could work running a comic business but the rest of cg? Not so much.

I would hope once paychecks have to be handed out, the whip comes out to keep people well-behaved. But we already see how some of these guys behave while they're getting funded, so perhaps it's a fools errand.

if FROG made an Image comics can you imagine how high off the charts the hate would be for him? People are already accusing him of gatekeeping and having CG as his own personal club. Him solidifying CG into a company would just make those accusations a reality.

i dont think it would be a good idea for him because he would have to watch his online behavior and he wouldn't be working for just himself anymore. He would have to depend on others to get off their ass and complete their books on time.

Unless they want to keep paying 25 bucks a book, a little gatekeeping may be in order to handle this situation. And yeah having to make sure people actually get their shit together and finish their books in timely fashion would be annoying but if they're gonna treat him like the boss, fuck it, might as well actually become the boss then.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

having to make sure people actually get their shit together and finish their books in timely fashion

If only if they have the story planned out a year in advanced, a reliable artist and writers and they would be ok. But seeing the recent lateness, failures, shit tier books and artist scams then don't really see cg would work as a actual company.