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A lot of these indie creators who are writers come to crowdfunding with grandiose ideas of the product they're going to produce.

B Clay Moore, famously, raised $20K for a hardcover collection of stories that he would write and pay other people to draw. I mean, $20K wouldn't even pay the printing and fulfillment bill, let alone art and production costs. It was doomed. He should have canceled and refunded immediately.

Cridious was similar...it's one thing if you're the writer AND artist and are willing to work for free to product 150 pages of story and art. But when you're only the writer and you're promising to be able to pay an artist to do a years worth of work for a fraction of the $36,000 you raised, you're already doomed. He could have whittled it down to 48 pages and then spent another 6 months fundraising, but he just disappeared without a word.

He's saying he'll refund people and still do the project, but he doesn't have much of the money left, and he's working regular jobs to survive. Nobody is getting refunded. The book isn't ever going to happen. It's just talk.

Crowdfunding comics isn't that hard, you just need to keep your expectations in line with what you're raising. Nasser, god bless him, raised about $20K each time, and managed to produce, print and fulfill the comic he promised. He did it on a budget, on time, and he was able to pocket some of the left over cash.

And he's a 22 year old. It can be done.
 
1. The Marvel stuff is bizarre. It makes no sense for them to buy the license because the Mouse is all about Disney plus and movies. Without getting to make stuff for those two mediums, I can't see them paying the heavy fee the DC license is worth.

2. They can still survive on Amazon, the rump bottom stores that are fine, and the alternative markets. Marvel is safe because Disney is financially sound. If it wasn't they'd be in trouble. That's why DC is in trouble.

Be concerned about just how financially sound Disney is? And at what point that will rear it’s ugly head. In normal times Disney is well placed and protected. They are an IP farm with licences to print money. And the ups and downs of the entertainment industry are buffered by the steady $ billions that the resorts and theme parks bring in.

But Corona-Chan has entered the picture. Disney was already a bit more over extended than normal due to having to fight off Comcast for the Fox purchase. So they are carrying more loans than normal. Not a huge issue they normally carry very little debt beyond some standard capital expense loans. But then plague happens. They’ve had 2 parks shuttered since the tail end of January. They were hoping to re-open in March. Does anybody honestly see that happening? How soon until Tokyo closes too? Air Travel is being more and more restricted. Further people are cancelling vacation plans that involve crowds of any sort. Everybody bitches about Chinese tourists, but the truth is they are a rising middle class looking to travel, and there have been an awful lot of them, with an awful lot of money to burn. What happens to Disney when that stays home? (Or dies horrifically at home). What happens when that behavior spreads? In one month Disney is looking at a worst case scenario. It’s largest rising market no longer travels and cannot even go to the movies. That’s both their core revenue sources impacted. And the problem is spreading quickly. And let’s not forget the damage this has to have done to the Cruise line?

Estimates are the shutdown of Hong Kong and Shanghai Disney will cost Disney $300 million through March. And that’s with the two partnership/licensed parks. So Disney doesn’t get all the revenue, but doesn’t absorb all the costs. What happens when it hits the wholly Disney owned Parks? Tokyo? Paris? God forbid LA and Orlando?

Bob Iger quit yesterday. Unexpectedly. He was retiring at the end of the year. Already postponed twice. But yesterday he suddenly stepped down and handed the empire off to Bob “Chainsaw” Chapek. Does anybody else think Iger is leaving early, because after 15 years of nonstop success at Disney, he doesn’t want his final days to be in charge of a blood bath? His final projects, the Disney+ streaming service just successfully launched. Better to leave on a happy note, and leave the bloody work to the human thumb that is Chapek.

Chapek isn’t from the Hollywood side of Disney. He’s Parks and Resorts. He has no tolerance or appreciation for the artististic (autistic) talent. Right now Marvel’s life expectancy is probably measured in months if not weeks. If nothing else Chapek will be watching WB and DC, to see what he himself can easily get away with. If AT&T licences comic publication out to third parties, he will follow suit with Marvel within hours. Why pay these shrieking pink haired assholes to make Marvel comics, when somebody like IDW or Dynamite is willing to pay him free money for the privilege of making Marvel comics. And he gets to shitcan all the annoying weirdos.

Here’s Bob Chapek
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Makes you think.
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Yeah Marvel is well and truly fucked.
 
A lot of these indie creators who are writers come to crowdfunding with grandiose ideas of the product they're going to produce.

B Clay Moore, famously, raised $20K for a hardcover collection of stories that he would write and pay other people to draw. I mean, $20K wouldn't even pay the printing and fulfillment bill, let alone art and production costs. It was doomed. He should have canceled and refunded immediately.

Cridious was similar...it's one thing if you're the writer AND artist and are willing to work for free to product 150 pages of story and art. But when you're only the writer and you're promising to be able to pay an artist to do a years worth of work for a fraction of the $36,000 you raised, you're already doomed. He could have whittled it down to 48 pages and then spent another 6 months fundraising, but he just disappeared without a word.

He's saying he'll refund people and still do the project, but he doesn't have much of the money left, and he's working regular jobs to survive. Nobody is getting refunded. The book isn't ever going to happen. It's just talk.

Crowdfunding comics isn't that hard, you just need to keep your expectations in line with what you're raising. Nasser, god bless him, raised about $20K each time, and managed to produce, print and fulfill the comic he promised. He did it on a budget, on time, and he was able to pocket some of the left over cash.

And he's a 22 year old. It can be done.

Nasser was smart enough to do black and white books, which is honestly what all these first time crowdfunders should be doing to start out with.
 
I'm going to claim they overshipped. Not all. But you acknowledge the practice. More, they overship #1's more than regular. They do other things that inflated the unit numbers...

Point of my last few posts was that comics industry isn't doing worse (but it might if 5G flops, which is very likely) than it did 10-15 years ago and that it didn't flatline towards the 10's. I don't see how Marvel overshipping some of their comics changes that since the gap, for example, between 2005 and 2015 is 13 million copies in TOP 300. They weren't overshipping to that extent.

I'm not arguing that Carol Danvers sells or anything of the sorts.
 
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Yeah I wouldn’t go out of my way to shit on Cridious since he’s literally just some working class guy with a bunch of kids who wanted to make a book. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Warcampaign had it out for him. Can anyone confirm if there’s any truth to that?
If he said that, he's backing away from that stance now. @PocketJacks is trying to buy Dead Detective off him though
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I can't believe he was bold enough to actually try to sell that shit and then had the nerve to be offended by the deserved corporate spanking. I'm all for parodies, but that it is literally just Space Ghost.
 
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I was going to hold my tongue a bit after hearing about that Lady Alchemy fiasco, but good grief, have you CG people taken a shellacking these past couple of days on top of everything else. Like how do you pay an artist 10k and find out months later he hasn't done anything? Really? Did Martina not coordinate with him on some kind of very rough storyboard and not ask for progress reports? And then in the other corner, we have a lazy ingrate that actually thought his low-effort Space Ghost rip-off would actually fly. And then finally you have Antonio, who as another poster said, seemed like an alright guy, but I find his computer breaking-down-story quite incredulous. Possible sure, but plausible? Debatable. But CG is totally expanding into new horizons...yeah all but pretty much 2 or 3 people.
 
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Yeah Marvel is well and truly fucked.

Wordy. But your right. Marvel's essentially living on luck.

Yeah I wouldn’t go out of my way to shit on Cridious since he’s literally just some working class guy with a bunch of kids who wanted to make a book. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Warcampaign had it out for him. Can anyone confirm if there’s any truth to that?

They got crossways in one of his last streams before he disappeared. He was one of the people coming forward asking Frog to make them let up.

Huh. You'd think this thread would be celebrating more now that Dan DiDio is finally kicked from DC Comics.

Because we witnessed Alonso/Cebulski stuff and we're all kindof dead inside.

Point of my last few posts was that comics industry isn't doing worse (but it might if 5G flops, which is very likely) than it did 10-15 years ago and that it didn't flatline towards the 10's. I don't see how Marvel overshipping some of their comics changes that since the gap, for example, between 2005 and 2015 is 13 million copies in TOP 300. They weren't overshipping to that extent.

I'm not arguing that Carol Danvers sells or anything of the sorts.

At this point its futile to argue. I mean, between them, those Danvers books alone probably attributed to a million overships in the last eight years. Then theres what I said, it wasn't all overships.
 
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I got around to listen EVS stream about Dan Didio leaving DC and with YaBoi Zach as guest
And that was a very good informative stream
like these streams just talking about comics but also with some SJW bashing, not too overload
 
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Anybody else catch Quarter Pounder's livestream today? I was walking home from work and noticed the thumbnail was Hambly lurking Ethans social blade so I popped in for a listen.

He basically clarified his position by saying that he was not against Ethan but is against what comicsgate had turned into, while EVS fanboys and/or WC badgered him in the chat. He correctly points out that CG is shrinking with less money being raised for campaigns, lower backers numbers and fewer views and subscriber growth for the major CG channels. He again correctly points out that CG is turning into Gamergate with its purity testing BS and all the drama is driving away potential customers (normies) and compared some of the more zealous CG fans to the SJWs who gatekeep creators out of the big two.

About an hour in he gets a phone call from Ethan, who then jumped in and they hash it out. Ethan seemed pretty receptive to QPs points and the whole thing was a giant nothing burger, I tuned out at that point. Still I feel like Jeremy was correct with most of his criticisms of what CG has turned into, I guess a broken clock can still be right twice a day.
 
And then finally you have Antonio, who as another poster said, seemed like an alright guy, but I find his computer breaking-down-story quite incredulous.

That's Cridious and his Detective Dead stuck on a dead hard drive. Which seems a shame. They die in degrees so I hope he tried to see about some recovery he could do himself. That was probably all a lie, looks like he spent all the money on his personal living expenses and can no longer fulfill the campaign.

Antonio Brice is doing Brand with the fat beekeeper that hunts magic relics. February update says he's got the books in hands, shows one off with pics. He's waiting on t-shirts and stickers and has launched the sequel campaign.

I think that's a mistake to launch before shipping the first one, but not my beeswax.


Oh wait, they are both Antonios. Talk about a tale of two Antonios... I don't think I ever heard anyone refer to Cridious by his real name before.
 
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So cgs favorite costhot mandy is being threatened by war campaign surprisingly. Something to do with pictures, like tugs wife....lol.
Mandy is the one making that ugly wizard comic right? Does she even do anything worth being fucked with? WC is determined on making that group as small as possible. @FROG keep this in mind whenever you throw in your support for the spergs. Every person they scare off CG with their tactics is one less person buying your books
 
Mandy is the one making that ugly wizard comic right? Does she even do anything worth being fucked with? WC is determined on making that group as small as possible. @FROG keep this in mind whenever you throw in your support for the spergs. Every person they scare off CG with their tactics is one less person buying your books


The info is on the tug thread. Ethan seems to be okay having people scaring off members so he can live off his "ceaser" status and make bitch streams when someone leaves.
 
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Mandy is the one making that ugly wizard comic right? Does she even do anything worth being fucked with? WC is determined on making that group as small as possible.
She courted a large simp following of mainly WC but also some artists like Kyle Ritter and Peter Gilmore, gaining an outsized influence on the more autistic factions of CG. With predictable results.
 
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So war campaign could be charged for revenge porn? They already got a cyberstalking charge but now revenge porn? You need to kick them out ethan.
 
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Oh, so Mandy is shaking a bit of ass to sell her comic. I personally wouldn't do that, at least not for a fucking comic, but I respect the hustle. A shame WC can't control their spergery. They really need to go, those guys are poisonous and will continue to kill any opportunity CG has to gain a good rep.
 
so Mandy is shaking a bit of ass to sell her comic. I personally wouldn't do that, at least not for a fucking comic

A children's comic she and her daughter made...its odd most of these cg books who make a book with their kids they are a horror with decapitated head of a big nosed whale or have a low tier ethot parent selling pictures to support it. WC is getting into the slippery slope of doing things that could have legal ramifications, especially revenge porn with mandy's case.
 
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