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Question: What do you think will be more likely in the future -
Agencies being more lenient towards healthcare facilities (old folk homes in particular) to make sure they have "all hands on deck" as well as not jettisoning off a load of infirm individuals to the general public
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Agencies being stricter in attempts to optimize quarantine and/or claim eminent domain and reallocate resources
 
Off topic a tad, but if this is another Spanish flu, is anyone archiving this thread?

Sounds cringey, but maybe people 100 years from now will get a better insight into how this kind of shit starts from reading our posts. Or get at least one laugh from our autism.
Depends if Null is a survivor. Otherwise, after three months of not paying bills for the site, shit pretty much shuts down, not to be seen again until many decades later when the NSA is forced to declassify what they've monitored.

Situation in Iran sounds even worse than China -


I don't buy that this crisis ends the CCP, but put me down for a maybe re: the Ayatollahs.
 
I see plenty of talk about purchasing water. Can kiwis please elaborate? Is tap water unsafe to drink where you live or do you expect there to be no water on tap? Things have to break down severely for the latter in developed countries, so, maybe it's folly, but I'm not preparing for that eventuality.

Sounds delightful.
It's quite nice if you deep fry it or really flatten it out and dry-fry it on a pan
 

BREAKING: Spike in influenza-like illnesses (ILI) in Chicago identified by sentinel reporting. Health officials scrambling to test for #coronavirus. This thing is about to explode.
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Central FL, was at Wal Mart for shoes and a wallet as mine are both not-dead-yet but rapidly getting there. So figured get my cheap china shit while it's still there. Glanced at the pharmacy area.
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and the area that used to have rubbing alcohol
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Are people freaking worse than the standard cat 5 hurricane prep? (I lived there many years)
 
Should I call up my doc and ask for early refills?
If you don't usually hit them up like a weirdo junkie give it a shot, the worst they will do is say no. As that other guy mentioned some of them are legally not able to written beyond suchandsuch days depending on the script, your local laws, all that good crap.
There may be ways to get some extra mileage out of your stuff too, like that one person with the gabapentin or lyrica or whatever it was. Maybe your doc can point you in a direction like that.
 
I see plenty of talk about purchasing water. Can kiwis please elaborate? Is tap water unsafe to drink where you live or do you expect there to be no water on tap? Things have to break down severely for the latter in developed countries, so, maybe it's folly, but I'm not preparing for that eventuality.


It's quite nice if you deep fry it or really flatten it out and dry-fry it on a pan
No bottled water is for when pipes burst, and water treatment facilities shut down.

You can boil water. Also unscented bleach too if you know how to use it correctly. If something happens to the water supply.
 
Are people freaking worse than the standard cat 5 hurricane prep? (I lived there many years)
Central Florida hurricane prep is pretty half-assed from what I've seen so I'm not sure if it would work as a barometer lol. Other aisles seemed to have stuff, dry food, so forth. Didn't check hand sanitizers. I don't really know where they stock them. I've been a rubbing alcohol fan for ages, sanitizers have that yucky gel stuff.
 
Mom also probably wants to be able to lurk and make sure I don't say bad words like nigger. Don't worry, I'm a good kid, mom.
Botchy Galoop's mom, your kid said a bad word!

Trying to look into where various common psych medications come from. Squinting at these photos of labels is making me feel like I'm watching Japanese porn. Maybe, just maybe the blurs will leave and I'll get an eyeful of glorious information!

There's no law that says you have to list where the ingredients in medication come from. Finding out which drug could get hit will be tricky. Probably safe to assume the common stuff has ingredients from China and India.
 
The future is that we're 3 months away from the Hadj to Mecca and 7 months until the Iranian pilgrimage at Karbala - the second largest human gathering.
I think SA shut down their pilgrimages. However, Iran's cleric are replaying the medieval script by insisting that the faithful should seek healing at the site in Qom. This will end well.
 
I take it gabatin is gabapentin? I've got a cat on it (it's the miracle drug that keeps her from ripping all her hair out). Costco's pharmacy was out of it on Friday, but the pharmacist said to keep trying this week, because it's on order and they will get it back in stock. Just because your pharmacy doesn't have it on hand right now doesn't mean there is none to be had at all; they just weren't prepared for the sudden mad rush, and didn't have lots of extra on hand.
I've actually heard some gabapentin chatter recently. Seems that the vet industry (in my area anyway) has been experiencing some delays in restocking gab for the past 3-4 weeks. Annoyingly delayed, but not yet serious.
 
Article on the absolute state of Iran wrt the virus.

How Iran Became a New Epicenter of the Coronavirus Outbreak
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By Robin Wright
February 28, 2020
A man disinfects the shrine of Fatima Masumeh in Qom Iran against coronavirus on Monday.

A man disinfects the shrine of Fatima Masumeh, in Qom, Iran, against coronavirus.Photograph by Ahmad Zohrabi / ISNA / AP

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Iran’s deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, was pale and drenched in sweat during a press conference on Monday as he told reporters that the Islamic Republic had “almost stabilized” the country’s outbreak of coronavirus. He mopped his brow so often that an aide scurried to the lectern with a box of tissues. Harirchi dismissed as hype an Iranian lawmaker’s claim that fifty people had already died from COVID-19. “I will resign if the numbers are even half or a quarter of this,” he said, adding that Iran had only sixty-one confirmed cases, with twelve deaths. Iran opposed quarantines, he said, because they belonged to an era before the First World War—“to the plague, cholera, stuff like that.” The next day, Harirchi confirmed in a video—from quarantine—that he had contracted coronavirus.

Iran, a country of eighty-three million people, has now become one of the global epicenters of the coronavirus—with the highest mortality rate in the world. Based on official numbers, the mortality rate in Iran has fluctuated daily, between eight and eighteen per cent, compared to three per cent in China and less everywhere else. Iran is also unique, because a disproportionate number of confirmed cases are senior government officials. On Thursday, the Vice-President, Masoumeh Ebtekar—who gained fame in 1979 as Sister Mary, the spokeswoman for the students who seized the U.S. Embassy and took fifty-two Americans hostage—announced that she, too, had contracted the coronavirus. The day before, she had attended a meeting with President Hassan Rouhani and his cabinet. Two members of parliament, including the chairman of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Policy, have also been infected, as has the mayor of a district in Tehran and a senior cleric who had served as Iran’s Ambassador to the Vatican. One of the lawmakers, Mahmoud Sadeghi, tweeted on Tuesday, “I send this message in a situation where I have little hope of surviving in this world.” The former Vatican Ambassador, who was eighty-one, died on Thursday. So did Elham Sheikhi, a member of the women’s national soccer team, who was twenty-two.
Iranian Deputy Health Minister Iraj Harirchi wipes the sweat off his face.

Iran’s deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, wipes sweat from his brow during a press conference, on Monday. He later confirmed that he has contracted coronavirus.Photograph by Mehdi Bolourian / Fars News / AFP / Getty

Iran’s official counts—three hundred and eighty-eight confirmed cases and thirty-four deaths, as of Friday—may be grossly underreported. In an early analysis published on Monday, six Canadian epidemiologists calculated that Iran probably had more than eighteen thousand cases of coronavirus. Their mathematical model was based on Iran’s official death toll, the disease’s infection and mortality rates worldwide, inflections in other countries traced to Iran, flight data, and travel patterns. “Given the low volumes of air travel to countries with identified cases of COVID-19 with origin in Iran (such as Canada), it is likely that Iran is currently experiencing a COVID-19 epidemic of significant size,” they concluded. Because of the wide margin of error, the number of cases could range from as low as thirty-seven hundred to as high as fifty-three thousand. In the end, the Canadian epidemiologists settled on eighteen thousand three hundred, with a ninety-five-per-cent confidence rate. All of their estimates are many, many times higher than the figures that Iran has reported. Their model was published on medRxiv, which posts preliminary research that has not yet been peer-reviewed.
Kamiar Alaei, a widely recognized Iranian global health-policy expert who co-founded an innovative H.I.V. clinic in Tehran, also emphasized the tricky and still evolving mathematics of coronavirus contagion. “The mortality rate elsewhere is around one to two per cent, and three per cent in China,” Alaei, who is now a co-president of the Institute for International Health and Education, in Albany, told me. “Iran has announced thirty-four deaths, although some unofficial reports claim it is at least a hundred and thirty-four and even two hundred. So if the death rate is only one per cent, then the total number of cases would be between thirty-four hundred and ten thousand or even twenty thousand.”
The outbreak appears to have started in Qom, the conservative city of Shiite seminaries run by leading ayatollahs, about two hours from Tehran. It is also home to the Fatima Masumeh shrine—famed for its giant gold dome and intricate blue tilework—which draws pilgrims from all over the world. (For its historic beauty, I visit the shrine complex whenever I go to Qom.) The first mention of the disease by the government was a report of two deaths in the city on February 19th. Initial reports indicate that the carrier of the virus may have been a merchant who travelled between Qom and Wuhan, in China, where COVID-19 is believed to have originated. The outbreak is estimated to have begun between three and six weeks ago, which would mean that the two Iranians who died could have been sick and infecting others for weeks.

Within eight days of the first reported death in Iran, COVID-19 had spread to twenty-four of the country’s thirty-one provinces. The number of cases has roughly doubled daily since Tuesday. Instead of closing down public sites, a measure that public-health experts have taken in other countries, the head of the shrine in Qom called on pilgrims to keep coming. “We consider this holy shrine to be a place of healing. That means people should come here to heal from spiritual and physical diseases,” Mohammad Saeedi, who is also the representative of Iran’s Supreme Leader in Qom, said in a video. Cases traced back to Iran have been reported in Azerbaijan, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Canada, Georgia, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Pakistan, and the United Arab Emirates. Many of these cases have been linked specifically to visits to Qom.

Politics may have played a role in the government’s handling of the health crisis, Alaei, the health-policy expert, told me. The outbreak coincided with two major milestones—the anniversary of Iran’s revolution, on February 11th, and the parliamentary election, on February 21st. “The government didn’t want to acknowledge that they had a coronavirus outbreak because they feared it would impact participation in these two events,” he said. “So for weeks there was a huge silence.” Less than forty-three per cent of Iranian voters turned out for the election, the lowest rate of participation since the 1979 revolution. Both voters and poll workers were photographed wearing masks.
“It was the political decision that led to this outbreak in Iran,” Alaei said. “It’s very unfortunate, as Iran has a very well-established infrastructure for the health system and well-educated doctors.” Alaei was imprisoned in 2008 for “communicating with the enemy,” running espionage rings, and trying to “launch a velvet revolution” against the government in Tehran. He spent thirty months in the notorious Evin Prison. He moved to the United States after his release.
The coronavirus is also becoming a new flashpoint between Iran and the United States. After the election, the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, accused Iran’s enemies of exaggerating the threat of coronavirus to scare voters away from the polls. “This negative propaganda about the virus began a couple of months ago and grew larger ahead of the election,” he said. “Their media did not miss the tiniest opportunity for dissuading Iranian voters and resorting to the excuse of disease and the virus.” On Wednesday, the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, countered that Iran was lying about “vital details” of the spread of the virus.


The timing of the epidemic is particularly dire for Iran’s economy. As part of President Trump’s “maximum-pressure campaign,” the U.S. reimposed economic sanctions on Iran—and any foreign company or country that does business with it—in November, 2018. Iran’s economy contracted more than nine per cent last year. Since the coronavirus outbreak began, ten days ago, eleven countries, including major trading partners such as Afghanistan, Iraq, and Turkey, have closed their borders to the Islamic Republic, according to Adnan Mazarei, an economist at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, in Washington. “The entire Middle East region could soon be affected by Iran’s role as an epicenter of this contagion,” he wrote on Thursday. “The Middle East region will certainly be hit by a new round of downward pressure on oil prices on account of a decline in demand for oil by China and elsewhere,” he added. And China has accounted for a quarter of all Iranian trade.
Internal commerce is also likely to take a hit on the eve of Nowruz, the Persian New Year, in three weeks. Nowruz is the country’s biggest holiday, and the ritual is to buy new clothes and toys—and to travel to the Caspian coast or other vacation spots to take a break from Iran’s mounting crises. The more that Nowruz celebrations are curtailed, the greater the danger for protests about the epidemic, global isolation, and unanticipated economic setbacks. Two waves of protests have challenged the regime since November.
Iran took steps this week to check the contagion’s spread. In Tehran’s subways, cars were disinfected and snack shops were shut. In more than a dozen provinces, public venues—college campuses, schools, and cultural centers—were closed. Events drawing large audiences, including soccer games and movie screenings, were postponed. Friday prayers were cancelled in the twenty-four provinces where the virus has appeared. Schools across Iran will be closed for three days, as of Saturday. The Health Ministry has urged people not to shake hands and to avoid crowded places. Social media was filled with parodies—a video of young men on the street shaking their shoes with one another, to avoid shaking hands, and a barber cutting the hair of a customer, who was wearing a mask, with a razor attached to an extender pole. Yet the regime has been fighting the image of a nation crippled by an epidemic as much as it has been fighting the coronavirus itself. Speaking at a national headquarters established to deal with the virus, Rouhani said, “In schools, high schools, universities, and workplaces, everybody should pay attention to health recommendations. But we must all continue our work and activities, because it is one of the enemies’ plots to spread fear in our country and close down the country.”
The ailing deputy health minister was more candid. “I’m saying this deep from my heart . . . take care of yourselves,” Harirchi said in a video that he posted from quarantine. “This is a democratic virus, and it doesn’t distinguish between poor and rich, statesman and an ordinary citizen. It may infect a number of people.” In the Islamic Republic, that number may be frighteningly large.
 
/raises hand.

This looks terrifying, does it not? But strip away the panicky sensationalist news headlines and think about it for just a minute. Yes it might be Coronavirus, It could also be any other seasonal bug tearing through a Nursing Home.
And it could be something entirely unrelated to the coronavirus or any of the flu bugs going around. Having lived across the street from an assisted living facility and its attached nursing home, I can say that people getting hauled out in an ambulance is at least a daily occurrence when you have lots of frail, elderly people living in one place. Irregular heartbeat; diabetic complications; dizziness; falls; events that may or may not be a stroke; shortness of breath; and, yes, influenza or other infectious illness are all reasons to call for an ambulance.

We don't know why that particular individual is on their way to the hospital, and we won't thanks to patient privacy laws. Most people will assume it's because of coronavirus-related pneumonia, because that's what the headlines are blaring about, but it might be something entirely different. After all, 75% of the residents don't have pneumonia, but they've still got something failing on them.

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I've actually heard some gabapentin chatter recently. Seems that the vet industry (in my area anyway) has been experiencing some delays in restocking gab for the past 3-4 weeks. Annoyingly delayed, but not yet serious.
That's happened before. Another one that my vets have occasionally had difficulty restocking is Lactated Ringer's Solution, especially during a really bad flu season. Apparently, human healthcare gets priority in order fulfillment over vet med, which comes as no surprise, really.

So it was fun trying to find supplies to care for a cat with kidney failure not long after the hurricane in Puerto Rico knocked the one North American plant producing LRS out of commission (the other was being rebuilt to meet new FDA standards); I ended up getting it from a hospital pharmacy for like $15/bag. Even regular human pharmacies like Walgreens and Costco were backordered, without even a promised delivery date, but hospital pharmacies had it. So in a pinch, I can go that route. It'll be more expensive, but at least it's dirt cheap as far as pharmaceuticals go.
 
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Anyone else think some of those Iranian recovereds could have been false positives that later tested negative? If I were in charge of managing this PR shitshow I'd definitely classify them like that.
 
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And it could be something entirely unrelated to the coronavirus or any of the flu bugs going around. Having lived across the street from an assisted living facility and its attached nursing home, I can say that people getting hauled out in an ambulance is at least a daily occurrence when you have lots of frail, elderly people living in one place. Irregular heartbeat; diabetic complications; dizziness; falls; events that may or may not be a stroke; shortness of breath; and, yes, influenza or other infectious illness are all reasons to call for an ambulance.

We don't know why that particular individual is on their way to the hospital, and we won't thanks to patient privacy laws. Most people will assume it's because of coronavirus-related pneumonia, because that's what the headlines are blaring about, but it might be something entirely different. After all, 75% of the residents don't have pneumonia, but they've still got something failing on them.
Except its been confirmed now the firefighters involved have been quarantined for coming into contact with a corona-virus patient. This is why you should be treating any pneumonia cases as potential attack vectors these days, this virus is just EVERYWHERE.
 
And it could be something entirely unrelated to the coronavirus or any of the flu bugs going around. Having lived across the street from an assisted living facility and its attached nursing home, I can say that people getting hauled out in an ambulance is at least a daily occurrence when you have lots of frail, elderly people living in one place. Irregular heartbeat; diabetic complications; dizziness; falls; events that may or may not be a stroke; shortness of breath; and, yes, influenza or other infectious illness are all reasons to call for an ambulance.

We don't know why that particular individual is on their way to the hospital, and we won't thanks to patient privacy laws. Most people will assume it's because of coronavirus-related pneumonia, because that's what the headlines are blaring about, but it might be something entirely different. After all, 75% of the residents don't have pneumonia, but they've still got something failing on them.

Daily? It's an hourly occurrence. And as much as I hate to say this, (and while this has nothing to do with this apparent EMS call) Nursing home staff often have no qualms about shipping a certain number of their residents off to the ER for Chest X-Ray and evaluations, for a few hours, should they happen to be short staffed, overworked, or just plain lazy. This is especially prone to happen right around a shift change in the evenings. Yeah Health Care providers are human too. Which means a given number of them are lazy conniving sociopaths. Just like the asshole you sit next to at work. And unlike many other industries which remarkably tend to congregate said sociopaths near the top of the food chain, the Health Care industry seemingly filters them out down towards the bottom. They don't tend to survive long in mainline hospitals or private practice medical offices. They will end up becoming more concentrated in Nursing Homes weighted ever more heavily towards the lower quality ones, before falling to psych facilities, with the final place of "no shits will be given" the VA facilities.

As for this case. I've seen some reports that it is, or is assumed to be Coronavirus and the Fire personnel have been quarantined. Which raises all new problems. The disease vector in the Nursing Home is all too obvious. It likely came in either with one of the Nurses, as many nurses will work as Per Diem contractors, so they may be on a Hospitals Med/Surg floors one day, and covering a few shifts at a nursing home another. Or it may have come back with a patient from a local Hospital. Like I said they get sent out all the time for routine stuff, plus they will often be sent back still sick. Because the Nursing Homes will only hold the beds for so many days once a resident is hospitalized. Not to mention the old Medicaire shuffle. Medicaire will only pay for so many days continuous hospitalization. So they discharge the patient back to the nursing home. The nursing home waits an hour or two and sends them back, thus making it a new Hospital visit and resetting the Medicaire clock.

The big takeaway, and the most likely horrifying conclusion is that it is already in the staff and patients of at least one Washington Hospital.
 
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