Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

I watched Quarter Pounders stream Ethan, he may be alot of things but his certainly not a fighter (a tranny already proved that). He correctly pointed out that google search results for Comicsgate were flat, backer numbers were down, less money was being made and your views and subscriber count was stagnant (which is probably why you hid your subscriber number on your channel).

There is clearly less interest in Comicsgate now, whether its from infighting, egos, poor quality products, year long delays in fulfillment or people just moving onto the next online fad (see Weeb Wars) the decline is obvious to kindergarten children who can do simple math.

6413 backers (Godking) is less than 10619 backers (Lost Souls).

Even an established IP like the Expendables has less backers at the moment compared to the first Iron Sights, unless just under a thousand new backers appear out of nowhere while its in demand, but the truth is The Expendables should have smashed Iron Sights numbers and probably should have beat Jawbreakers also. Even your Unfroggetable Tales the first Cyberfrog product that wasn't a variant cover of your original campaign is struggling at 1300.

This whole drama with Cridious certainly won't do CG any favors going forward either. This first official scam of Comicsgate, who was recommended and promoted on your livestreams. What do you think that will do for the next unknown small creator who appears on your show? To be perfectly honest I would have rather'd Preston buy Detective Dead off of him, what the hell should anyone be scared of? They would have got a product they had paid for, Cridious would have had his debts wiped and maybe enough cash left over to make his life easier. Whats the worst thing that would have happened? If Preston did do something with that customer information, his crowdfunding days would be over and his reputation would have been destroyed. Although if he did dox Ro, Pan Boy and the rest of your merry band of faggots, I certainly wouldn't have shed any tears for them. I'd piss myself laughing instead.

The decline of ComicsGate might be true! It might well be that the fury of 2018 is at an end, and some people have moved on to other things. Could be for any or all of the reasons you offer.

So what remains? What's left is Zack selling 6500 copies of G0D K1NG. Or grossing $200K on a book with Sly Stallone on an IP that barely sold 500 copies last year.

What remains is CYBERFROG reprints from 1994 due to bring in $125,000. (it isn't struggling, dude. It's miraculous.) And thousands of backers lined up for advance notification about CYBERFROG 2.

Middle sized campaigns are now comfortably bringing in $20-40K. YouTube personalities like Raging Golden Eagle are topping $60K in the first 24 hours of funding.

And all of this without being hounded and tortured by Mark Waid and the Portland Mafia. It's actually been kinda nice.

Google search results are down as a consequence of not being persecuted in the Leftist media anymore. My channel is stagnant because it became a livestreaming only channel for 6 straight months. I pulled the sub count down, stopped streaming regularly, started producing 10 minute quickies, and it's growing again. Quartering was right.

re: Cridious, absolutely correct. It's very discouraging. He stole from his backers and this will affect people's trust in small campaigns for awhile. As for Preston buying it, nobody agreed to let Preston Poulter have their personal data. It's a security breach and a breach of ethics to even consider selling that info to him. Preston could buy the project and re-solicit donations, but buying backers data is a no-go.

The fate of ComicsGate as a indie network depends on where we go from here. How good our stuff is, how quickly we can deliver it, and how we adapt to these changes. But I'm pretty confident. CYBERFROG is a spiffy book. The sequel is a knock out.
 
Uh oh, someone is upset that adults in the real world can be civil with each other even if they disagree on things. Bitches are super mad that Doug is on good terms with Sean Murphy
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Who has he hired, Doug?

I don't know he's a guy in his late 30s who's living with his sister, I don't think he has room to talk about anyone.

Not anymore! he's a man who his sister kicked out because creeped out the neighbors.
 
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Who has he hired, Doug?
Sean did the cover for Doug's Bigfoot Bill 2 comic and they may be doing more work together in the future.

And yet you felt perfectly confident talking up and endorsing his project back then, and feel equally confident coming on here calling him a thief now? How does that work when you don't know his finances?
Cridious just openly admitted he misused the funds. Everyone should feel comfortable calling him thief now.
 
Sean did the cover for Doug's Bigfoot Bill 2 comic and they may be doing more work together in the future.


Cridious just openly admitted he misused the funds. Everyone should feel comfortable calling him thief now.

Thanks. It'd be hilarious if he did a cover for one of the Murphyverse books.

Cecil's a guy who Ethan found living in the crawlspace of his old house. He is attempting to transform him into a professional comic writer before the DC Comics summer ball in June, as part of a Pygmalion-style bet with Jim Lee.

This would be so much better than reality...

Lee was apparently quite the animal in the 90s. He rode a camel, in a tux, at the wildstorm New Years bash.

New Tom King book on the stands. Richard reviewed it and liked it, kindof, I think. Funny, they get him everytime.

 
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Original Comicsgate Cow Chelsea Cain returns with a new issue of Man-Eaters!

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Its exactly what you've come to expect from Cain: satire so biting you don't know who she's trying to satirize.

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I follow Chuck Dixon on Facebook. Being the most boomer comic creator one can be, it’s where he makes most of his social media posts. Today apparently he posted about a Kickstarter for Mike S Miller. Chuck is generally a good guy, but how long until CG autists send him a night letter for not disavowing Mike? He’s usually left alone, being a legend and all, but they already took a big hit when Zack wouldn’t self identify (although a lot of them are in denial about it).

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The fate of ComicsGate as a indie network depends on where we go from here. How good our stuff is, how quickly we can deliver it, and how we adapt to these changes. But I'm pretty confident. CYBERFROG is a spiffy book. The sequel is a knock out.

Maybe you should make it a rule to release books on a timely manner and if they are late they are out of the group. Posibbly ask Cg members who come on cg live to see how much they done on their own before they are invited on the channel, it's not entirely your fault that cridious cashgrabbed the fans since you guys were in your infancy, but to avoid things like this when they want to promote their book you must ask how much they done for new cg memberw? And if they come in the group ask them how much progress they done on the book. You guys cant have another cridious scandal.

Cridious just openly admitted he misused the funds. Everyone should feel comfortable calling him thief now.

Could he get trouble for embezzlement? Yeah he might have financial issues but you cant just take the money and bail for months.


Chuck is generally a good guy, but how long until CG autists send him a night letter for not disavowing Mike? He’s usually left alone, being a legend and all, but they already took a big hit when Zack wouldn’t self identify

I expect Ethan probably making a stream about it and war campaign will attack him. If they go after chuck for being friends with mike then they are no better than Mark Waid.
 
So what remains? What's left is Zack selling 6500 copies of G0D K1NG. Or grossing $200K on a book with Sly Stallone on an IP that barely sold 500 copies last year.

I'm not denying the six figures for crowdfunding comic books isn't impressive, but I think alot of people (Zack included) would have expected more. If this trend continues then in a year or two, even the big CG creators won't be hitting the six figure mark. Zack gave Kwanza hell for failing to retain his backers and allowing them to drop by about 50%, from Black to White, but now the same thing appears to be happening to him (though at a slower rate), I'm sure this hasn't gone unnoticed by him.

What remains is CYBERFROG reprints from 1994 due to bring in $125,000. (it isn't struggling, dude. It's miraculous.) And thousands of backers lined up for advance notification about CYBERFROG 2.

I can see your point, however again I must assert that this is the first Cyberfrog story which was not just a variant clone of your initial campaign. If people were interested in reading more Cyberfrog, they should be jumping at the opportunity to acquire more stories which they may not have read before. Though given the old issues are on ebay and probably available to pirate somewhere, I concede that Unfrogettable Tales is probably a poor example to compare against Bloodhoney in terms of statistical data. Rekt Planet will provide a much better example.

Middle sized campaigns are now comfortably bringing in $20-40K. YouTube personalities like Raging Golden Eagle are topping $60K in the first 24 hours of funding.

That price range couldn't be considered mid-ranged, a better range would be from 30/40Kish to 100K and in that regard they aren't looking to healthy. Lets look at some recent numbers:

1. Ravage: Kill All Men raised just under 48K back in 2018, however when Cautionary Comics launched The Offworlder it failed to get backed and was pulled down despite raising 18K. It now has been relaunched a second time and currently sits at $4800 with Backerkit projecting it to trend 7K.

2. Antonio Brice's Brand raised 78K during its run, the sequel Way of the Gun is sitting at $5900. Backerkit predicts it will raise $15K at this current rate.

3. Downcast by Clint Stoker raised over 31K from 924 backers in 2019, his sequel Wrize and Fall recently finished with 32K. At first glance it is a small improvement, however this time with 692 backers and a $5 increase in the price of the book from $15 to $20. A decline of backers somewhere close to a third, meaning 1 in 3 backers didnt return to the series.

4. Iron Sights should be considered a large campaign but lets take a look anyway since it was in the lower six figures. It was funded with 119K from 3338 backers, while its sequel is currently sitting at 117K from 2528 backers. Similar to Clint's Downcast that is drop of backers close to a third, although with Ibai Canale's terrible artwork I cant blame them. Again similar to Clints Downcast the price of the book was raised by $5 from $20 to $25.

5. Lastly we'll use you as an example. Your last truly big campaign was the Cyberfrog Bloodhoney Team Up variant, raising over 250K from 4800 backers. That was the last time you hit six figures in April of last year, since then your campaigns could only be described as mid-sized. Your Vampirella variants pulled in 67K and 57K respectively from 1093 and 872 backers, your Line Art Variants brought in 75K from 1072 backers but were an uptick from the Vampirella campaigns, your Ribbit Coins collected 14K from 123 backers, followed by the Second Chance original Bloodhoney cover which performed the worst with 55K from 732 backers and lastly the Second Chance Ashcans at 54K with 918 backers. Those campaigns are listed in chronological order and an overall declining trend is undeniable. Unfrogettable Tales is trending 6 figures but Backerkit is overly generous with its predictions in my experience.

As for Raging Golden Eagle he is an old MGTOW content creator with 60K subs, a pretty decent audience size. Since MGTOW manosphere types swear off wives and children it would make sense his viewers have large amounts of discretionary income. I would warn though that a large majority of his audience are Weebs and would prefer manga and body pillows over forgetable Frog comics, I doubt his audience will provide any substantial boost to CG's numbers over the long term.

re: Cridious, absolutely correct. It's very discouraging. He stole from his backers and this will affect people's trust in small campaigns for awhile. As for Preston buying it, nobody agreed to let Preston Poulter have their personal data. It's a security breach and a breach of ethics to even consider selling that info to him. Preston could buy the project and re-solicit donations, but buying backers data is a no-go.

I personally couldn't care less if Preston has my personal data, I've backed his campaigns before so he already has it. However I bet the thought of him obtaining that information caused a few Warcampaigners to piss themselves with fear at the thought of being doxed. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

The fate of ComicsGate as a indie network depends on where we go from here. How good our stuff is, how quickly we can deliver it, and how we adapt to these changes. But I'm pretty confident. CYBERFROG is a spiffy book. The sequel is a knock out.

And where will Comicsgate go from here? All I can see is a decline into irrelevancy. Such a pity really, the early days were quite exciting and the potential was inspiring. Comicsgate ultimately feels like a wasted opportunity, you all should have consolidated forces in the early days and formed an Image like company, used the bulk of your numbers to bully printers and shipping companies into better rates and passed on the savings to your customers to reduce the burden on their wallets, then created an online digital store to create a catalog of past crowdfunded books so when word of mouth reached people they could have bought them easily.

TLDR - Comicsgate may not be dead but it is dying.
 
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TLDR - Comicsgate may not be dead but it is dying.

Great analysis.

The thing is I'd say, even now, it is not too late for Comicsgate. If there was a will to actually try and honestly address all the problems and a serious attempt to rebuild and expand the customer base then there might be hope.

That would require repairing relations with outsiders, constraining and disavowing the trollish and controlling elements within (wonder who I could be talking about here), top streamers starting to act professionally and quit the slap fights, professional business practices from the ambassors, and an honest reconcilliation, or a least end to hostilities, with those labelled antis.

All that's making Comicsgate look in anyway healthy at the moment is that the decreasing pool of customers are still prepared to pay increasing amounts for their products. That, IMHO, is the next big threat to Comicsgate, that its current main cash draw, higher tier purchases for the sake of 'owning the libs', fluffing e-celebs, and speculating on a limited edition investment bubble, are running way past their expiry date.

It would be nice if it could be turned around. As it is though, I think it will just limp along, allowing FROG and mabye a couple of others to ride it for an income few years while for everyone else it increasingly becomes a novelty imprint where most creators nearly break-even (when working hours spent is considered) producing books for an audience size lucky to hit the low hundreds.

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Maybe you should make it a rule to release books on a timely manner and if they are late they are out of the group. Posibbly ask Cg members who come on cg live to see how much they done on their own before they are invited on the channel, it's not entirely your fault that cridious cashgrabbed the fans since you guys were in your infancy, but to avoid things like this when they want to promote their book you must ask how much they done for new cg memberw? And if they come in the group ask them how much progress they done on the book. You guys cant have another cridious scandal.



Could he get trouble for embezzlement? Yeah he might have financial issues but you cant just take the money and bail for months.




I expect Ethan probably making a stream about it and war campaign will attack him. If they go after chuck for being friends with mike then they are no better than Mark Waid.

Good ideas about newbies having the book done, and probably also we should approve of the scope of their project, to make sure it's possible to complete for the money they're bringing in.

As for Chuck Dixon and Mike Miller, I don't do that. I don't care if he's friends with or supports Mike. It's not even interesting enough to talk about.
 
1. Ravage: Kill All Men raised just under 48K back in 2018, however when Cautionary Comics launched The Offworlder it failed to get backed and was pulled down despite raising 18K. It now has been relaunched a second time and currently sits at $4800 with Backerkit projecting it to trend 7K.

2. Antonio Brice's Brand raised 78K during its run, the sequel Way of the Gun is sitting at $5900. Backerkit predicts it will raise $15K at this current rate.
1. Cautionary Comics was a complete shit show in terms of communications and getting the comics out. Ben was bragging about Ravage being shops at $3.99 and selling it at cons before some backers even got their book. Offworlder isn't getting backed because frankly, people don't trust it. That and Ravage wasn't that good.

2. Antonio REALLY should have waited until he actually started shipping out Brand to start his new campaign. People aren't going to back the new book when they haven't even gotten the first yet. It'll probably get a shot in the arm once people start getting Brand in their hands and feel more confident, but for now it's gonna crawl.

I pretty much agree with the other stuff.
 
Good ideas about newbies having the book done, and probably also we should approve of the scope of their project, to make sure it's possible to complete for the money they're bringing in.
I think going forward new comers should have their books somewhat completed or have a rough draft of it, since most of early cg/ new creators only made a nice looking cover and try doing the book when they get money from indiegogo.
Cautionary Comics was a complete shit show in terms of communications and getting the comics out.
Any idea what happened to Ben? I thought offworlder was canceled and begun giving refunds.
Antonio REALLY should have waited until he actually started shipping out Brand to start his new campaign.
Didn't Antonio got fkack because he was selling pdfs a few months ago.
 
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Any idea what happened to Ben? I thought offworlder was canceled and begun giving refunds.
I think Ben disappeared off the grid after Offworlder bombed and gave out refunds. I can't find his twitter accounts. Now the campaign is being run by Mike Baron under a new campaign with a goal of 20k that it probably won't reach.
Didn't Antonio got fkack because he was selling pdfs a few months ago.
Probably, I wouldn't be surprised by it since people still don't have the physical books. I did see a complaint about some people not getting the digital version still in one of his streams though.
So you took a comparable sum (in the region of 20k) from your campaign for living expenses as Crid did from his?
People have their Frog books dumbass. Comparing the two is fucking stupid.
 
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So war campaign are making fun of Kyle Ritter for being death, well Kyle will be gone in cg in a few weeks.

You mean "deaf," right?
Not "death"?

@FROG
If you know anything about this, tell WarClowns to knock it off.
Ritter is one of the best artists CG has and an asset you can't afford to lose now.
 
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