No CDC does not need to confirm these cases. Presumptive cases mean that the state lab running the test has not yet acquired emergency use authorization from fda. It's a simple thing and the state lab only needs to be authorized once.
Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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I heard a bit about that today. Seems it's been getting worked out the last couple days, really just mitigating the financial liability for all parties involved.Took them long enough.
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Emerald City Comic Con on Twitter
“After many hours of conversation internally & consultation with local government officials and the tourism bureau, we have decided to move next week’s Emerald City Comic Con to Summer 2020 with date & detail announcement forthcoming. Read more at https://t.co/ahL1TOmHLF #ECCC2020”twitter.com
I'm just impressed they got it done.
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Your loss. I asked that guy out and now I'm rich. In toilet paper.
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You don't know what you're talking about.
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdphe/news/colorado-has-first-positive-case-covid-19
Fine. I got it confused with some of the preliminary cases reported earlier I think by UW. But how does it matter? Presumptive cases are basically treated as sars2 cases anyway and reported together with CDC confirmed cases on CDC website.
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Why are people hoarding ass-wipe?
One major issue with hoarding anything, is that is you do get sick you are literally going to have to move mountains of stuff, when you are ill.
Imagine being laid up with the worst case of the flu and have family members knock down the piles of stuff that you have hoarded, to get to a can of soup, and find the can opener ...
One major issue with hoarding anything, is that is you do get sick you are literally going to have to move mountains of stuff, when you are ill.
Imagine being laid up with the worst case of the flu and have family members knock down the piles of stuff that you have hoarded, to get to a can of soup, and find the can opener ...
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This whole idea went over like a fart in church.The quarantine follies continue, this time in Kent, WA.
Coronavirus Motel Ignites Clash at Epicenter of Seattle Outbreak
What started as a bold plan to slow the spread of the coronavirus in the Seattle area is quickly devolving into a Nimby battle.www.bloomberg.com
This location has been floated for other projects but never acted on. On top of the very obvious downsides highlighted in the article, the Econo Lodge is 2 stories and has "less than ideal" ventilation. Maybe they can fix all that, but I still don't see how they find this prudent.
A lot of people in Kent are there because they couldn't stand Seattle anymore. I couldn't imagine having this nightmare thrust upon me by the embodiment of the very thing that I tried to escape from...and entirely against my will.
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They rated me optimistic, but now, almost 2 months later, there are still no cases in my country (at least none that I know of). So who's laughing now?
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California could be passing the buck to Oregon, the Princess could go to Astoria:
Quarantined ‘Grand Princess’ scheduled for Astoria
The cruise ship currently being held off the California coast until its known whether any of its 3500 passengers has the coronavirus is scheduled to be the first cruise ship of the year to dock in …www.koin.com
Or Puget Sound
Triangle of Fire - The Harbor Defenses of Puget Sound (1897-1953)
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Triangle of Fire - The Harbor Defenses of Puget Sound (1897-1953)
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- By Daryl C. McClary
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Admiralty Inlet was considered so strategic to the defense of Puget Sound at the turn of the century that three forts were built at the entrance with huge guns creating a "Triangle of Fire" that could theoretically thwart any invasion attempt by sea. Fort Worden, on the Quimper Peninsula at the extreme northeastern tip of the Olympic Peninsula, sits on a bluff near Port Townsend, anchoring the northwest side of the triangle. Fort Casey, on Whidbey Island, sits on Admiralty Head almost directly across Admiralty Inlet from Fort Worden. Fort Flagler anchors the southwest side from a bluff on Marrowstone Island. Two additional fortifications, at Fort Ward and Middle Point, were strategically located at the entrance to Rich Passage to protect the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard at Bremerton. Fort Whitman, located on Goat Island in Skagit Bay was positioned to guard Deception Pass and Saratoga Pass, the back entrance into Puget Sound. Together, these fortifications constituted the Harbor Defenses of Puget Sound. All six former U.S. Army forts are now owned by the State of Washington and have become state parks.
The Defense of Puget Sound
On November 30, 1846, President James Knox Polk (1795-1849) appointed a joint commission of Army and Naval Officers to identify sites from San Diego to Puget Sound, appropriate for defense fortifications. But Puget Sound in Oregon Territory was considered too remote and not worth the cost of constructing defenses. In 1855, the Indian Wars precipitated the Army appointing two officers, Captain George Stoneman and First Lieutenant W. H. C. Whiting, to investigate defenses for the Puget Sound region. This resulted in the establishment of new forts in Port Townsend and Bellingham to protect local settlements, but were not connected with the defense of Puget Sound.
Another study by the War Department in 1860 recommended a single line of fortifications from Foulweather Bluff, northwest of Hansville on the Kitsap Peninsula, to Double Bluff on Whidbey Island, with a fortified island built in the middle of Admiralty Inlet. Due to the Civil War (1860-1865), the Army took no immediate action, but on September 22, 1866, President Andrew Johnson (1808-1875) issued an executive order setting aside land for military reservations on Puget Sound. In 1872, a board of Army engineers was sent to the Pacific Northwest to identify permanent sites for fortifications. The engineers agreed with the earlier recommendations to establish forts on Foulweather Bluff and Double Bluff, but eliminated building a fortified island because of excessive costs.
The plan did not advance beyond the discussion stage until the establishment of the Puget Sound Naval Station in Bremerton in 1891. Now there was an important facility of military value to protect and in 1896, the Army engineers returned to Puget Sound to plan a defense against a waterborne attack. They selected sites for three fortifications on promontories at the entrance to Admiralty Inlet: Point Wilson, Admiralty Head, and Marrowstone Island, which lies south of Port Townsend. On June 6, 1896, Congress authorized the Secretary of War to fortify these three points and build large gun emplacements to protect Puget Sound. The cost of construction and armament of the Puget Sound Defenses was estimated at $7 million, a boon to the severely depressed economies of Jefferson County and Port Townsend, still suffering from the effects of the Panic of 1893.
Building the defense fortifications proceeded slowly until the Spanish-American War (189. There was no actual construction work until after the battleship USS Maine blew up and sank in Havana Harbor on February 16, 1898, with the loss of 252 officers and men. Then the work was accelerated to protect the Puget Sound Naval Station from the Spanish Fleet.
Construction materials for the forts were purchased largely from local sources. Lumber came from mills in Port Townsend, Port Hadlock, and Port Gamble; sand and gravel came from nearby pits. Good cement, in short supply in the United States, was imported from Antwerp, Belgium, in 400-pound barrels. The guns and carriages were shipped from armories to Tacoma by rail and from there to the forts by barge. The engineers built large construction docks, with special features to cope with tides, near the sites, with tramways and small steam locomotives to haul equipment and supplies by rail car from the beaches to the bluff tops.
The fortifications were equipped with batteries of 6-inch, 10-inch, and 12-inch "disappearing guns," so called because they disappeared behind the walls of their emplacements during reloading, protecting the gun and crew from enemy bombardment. In its day, the disappearing gun was the height of military technology. It was made obsolete only by long-range guns on battleships and the development of air power. The forts also used barbette carriages, which held the gun at the edge of the parapet at all times, a system that exposed the crew and provided less protection for gun and crew. The smaller 3-inch and 5-inch guns were mounted on pedestals that permitted the gun to be pivoted easily, making them a valuable defense against fast and maneuverable torpedo boats.
Fort Flagler
Marrowstone Island was the first site developed. In 1866, by executive order, a section of land, 640 acres, had been reserved for military purposes. In late 1896 by Eugene Ricksecker, Army Corps of Engineers surveyed the site for the fortification. In 1897, the government purchased more land from individual owners to build additional gun emplacements. The contract for the construction of gun emplacements was awarded on June 22, 1897, to the Pacific Bridge Company, Portland, Oregon.
The fort was occupied by Battery B, Third Coastal Artillery prior to completion and it was designated the temporary headquarters of the Harbor Defense Command of Puget Sound. The detachment, consisting of three officers and 86 enlisted men, was commanded by Captain John D. C. Hoskins. Construction of 12 buildings, including offices, mess hall, and barracks, was completed in June 1899. Named in honor of Brigadier General Daniel Webster Flagler (1835-1899), Fort Flagler was the first to be officially activated on July 27, 1899. The first armaments consisted of three gun emplacements: Batteries Rawlins, Revere, and Wilhelm, each with two guns. Between 1900 and 1906, six additional gun emplacements were added: Batteries Bankhead, Calwell, Gratton, Lee, Downs, and Wansboro. When completed, Fort Flagler had 26 artillery pieces overlooking Admiralty Inlet: two 12-inch barbette guns, four 10-inch barbette guns, six 6-inch disappearing guns, two 5-inch pedestal guns, four 3-inch pedestal guns and eight 12-inch mortars.
During World War I (1917-1919), the U.S. Army used Fort Flagler as a training center for soldiers. Twelve the fort’s artillery pieces were removed and sent to Europe where they were converted into field or railway artillery. After the war, the fort was used as a training camp for the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps and the Washington National Guard. Many of the buildings at Fort Flagler were torn down in 1936 because of dryrot, but they were rebuilt during World War II (1941-1945) and the Korean War (1951-1953), when the Army used the fort for amphibious warfare training and maneuvers. Some of the gun emplacements were modified to accommodate anti-aircraft guns. Fort Flagler was officially deactivated on June 30, 1953, ending 54 years of military jurisdiction.
In April 1954, the Department of Defense declared Fort Flagler government surplus, transferring the property to the General Services Administration (GSA) for disposal. The 784-acre fort with 107 buildings was put up for sale, and purchased in five parcels, between 1957 and 1962, by the Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission for $36,473, for use a state park. Washington State Parks has made buildings at Fort Flagler State Park available as conference facilities and recreation housing, and developed full-service camping and recreational facilities at the beach. In addition to 12.5 miles of roads, there are 5 miles of trails, and 3.6 miles of beachfront to explore. In 1963, Fort Flagler State Park obtained two historic 3-inch guns from Fort Wint in Subic Bay in the Philippine Islands, which have been mounted for display in Battery Wansboro. In May 2005, a fully restored historic 120 mm anti-aircraft gun, found rusting away at the Snohomish Armory, was put on permanent display at the Fort Flagler Museum. The gun had been used in the 1955 movie To Hell and Back, filmed at the Yakima Firing Center and staring Medal of Honor recipient Audie Murphy.
On May 3, 1976, Fort Flagler was officially designated as an historic place by the Washington State Advisory Council on Historic Preservation and listed on the Washington Heritage Register (listing No. 054). This same year, the National Park Service listed Fort Flagler on the National Register as a Historic District (listing No. 76001882), which includes the Marrowstone Light Station.
Fort Casey (and Fort Ebey)
The section of land set aside for a military reservation on Whidbey Island was around Admiralty Head. In 1897, the government purchased an additional 123 acres of land from Dr. John C. Kellogg for $7,200 to build extra gun emplacements. The contract to construct the gun emplacements was awarded to Maney, Goerig and Rydstrom Construction Company of Everett and work started in August 1897. The lighthouse on Admiralty Head was sitting approximately where the Army wanted to install a 10-inch gun battery, so they moved it several hundred feet north of its original location and later built a beautiful new lighthouse, able to withstand the concussion from the fort’s big guns. The imposing fortification was named Fort Casey in July 1899 in honor of Brigadier General Thomas Lincoln Casey (1831-1896), a former commander of the Army Corps of Engineers.
Fort Casey was activated in 1901 with a small temporary garrison. The permanent garrison arrived in June 1902, and was made from two Coast Artillery companies from Fort Flagler and two from Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay. Later, a Coast Artillery company from Hawaii arrived, completing the fort’s complement. While the barracks were being constructed, the new garrison bivouacked in tents. Construction of the permanent buildings, which included three enlisted barracks, six officers’ quarters, a hospital, administration building, post exchange, commissary, bakery, fire house, stables, gymnasium, and central power house, was completed in 1903 and General Frederick Funston, commander of the Department of the Columbia came to the fort for the final inspection.
The test firing of the new big guns commenced on May 5, 1903, and Fort Casey was pronounced ready for action. The first armaments consisted of six gun emplacements: Batteries Worth, Moore, Kingsbury, Seymour, Schenck, and Turman. Between 1904 and 1907, four additional gun emplacements were added: Batteries Moore, Trevor, Van Horn, and Valleau. When completed, Fort Casey had 34 artillery pieces sitting atop Admiralty Head approximately 100 feet above sea level: six 10-inch disappearing guns, six 6-inch disappearing guns, two 5-inch pedestal guns, four 3-inch pedestal guns and sixteen 12-inch mortars.
Fort Casey was used as training facility during World War I (1917-1919), readying soldiers for combat in Europe. Thirteen of the fort’s 34 artillery pieces were dismantled and shipped to European battlefields. After the Armistice was signed on November 11, 1918, the remaining artillery batteries were dismantled and the fort was placed on a caretaker status. The grounds were used for training the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps and the Washington National Guard. During World War II (1941-1945) the Army reactivated Fort Casey as an induction center and troop training facility, and the fort’s gun emplacements were rearmed with anti-aircraft guns.
The Harbor Defense Command also built Fort Ebey at Pigeon Point, north of Fort Casey near Coopeville. This property was acquired by Washington state in 1968 and became Fort Ebey State Park, a 645-acre campground with three miles of saltwater shoreline, in 1981.
Following the war, Fort Casey stood vacant and fell into disrepair, a victim of vandalism and neglect. On June 30, 1953, Fort Casey was officially deactivated. The Department of Defense declared the facility government surplus, transferring the property to GSA for disposal. In 1955, Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission acquired 100 acres of Fort Casey’s battery area for use as a state park and historical monument. Seattle Pacific University purchased 87 acres, which included most of the fort’s administrative buildings and housing, to create the Camp Casey Conference Center. The present Fort Casey State Park, which includes the Keystone Spit area, was acquired between 1955 and 1988 in three parcels, at a total cost of $300,000. In 1963, Washington State Parks obtained two 10-inch “disappearing guns” and two 3-inch guns from Fort Wint in the Philippine Islands. The historic guns, part of the harbor defenses of Subic Bay, were mounted for display in Batteries Trevor and Worth.
On December 12, 1973, the National Park Service listed Central Whidbey Island (also known as Ebey’s Landing National Historic Reserve) on the National Register as a Historic District (listing No. 73001869). The Washington State Advisory Council on Historic Preservation also listed the district on the Washington Heritage Register (listing No. 004). In 1980, Fort Ebey and Fort Casey State Parks, including the Admiralty Head Lighthouse, were incorporated into the listings.
Today, the Central Whidbey Island Historic District, stretching roughly six miles on either side of Coupeville, and encompassing approximately 25 square miles, is one of the largest historic districts in the country, and has nearly 100 structures listed on the National Register of Historic Places.
Fort Worden
Construction work on the fortifications above Point Wilson was delayed until July 1887. The property was privately owned and the government had to clear title to the land through condemnation proceedings. The Army Corps of Engineers took charge of building the construction dock, warehouses, and a tramway to haul concrete for the gun emplacements from the dock to the mixing plant. To meet construction needs, the Army laid a pipeline from Port Townsend and pumped water into large storage tanks inside the fort. The arrival of wet winter weather turned the construction area into a sea of mud and slowed progress on the batteries. It took 200 men almost three years to complete the excavation and concrete work for the gun emplacements.
In March 1900, the fort was finally ready to begin the work of installing the initial armament. Sixteen artillery pieces, shipped from the armory at Columbus, Ohio, arrived from the rail terminus at Tacoma by barge. A special heavy-duty tramway was constructed to haul the heavy artillery pieces from the dock area to top of the bluff. In March 1901 the guns were moved to their assigned positions and mounted in the batteries, ready for test firing.
Named in honor of Admiral John Lorimer Worden (1818-1897), captain of the ironclad vessel USS Monitor, Fort Worden was activated in 1902. The 126th Coast Artillery Company, consisting of 87 soldiers, commanded by Captain Manus McCloskey, was the first detachment assigned to Fort Worden. They arrived from Seattle on board the steamer SS Majestic on May 3, 1902, and were quartered in tents pending the completion of the barracks. Twenty-three permanent buildings were under construction at a cost of $59,450. Meanwhile, the artillery company drilled and test-fired the new guns. A communication system, connecting the three forts by cable, was installed in 1903.
On September 4, 1904, headquarters of the Harbor Defense Command of Puget Sound was transferred from Fort Flagler to Fort Worden along with the 6th Artillery Band. Once work on the main batteries and army post had been completed, more troops were assigned there. By the fall of 1905, Fort Worden was fully staffed with four Coast Artillery companies, and the harbor defense system, costing approximately $7.5 million, was considered complete and operational. The initial armaments consisted of six gun emplacements: Batteries Ash, Powell, Brannon, Quarles, Randol, and Vicars. Between 1905 and 1910, six additional gun emplacements were added: Batteries Tolles, Stoddard, Benson, Putnam, Walker, and Kinzie. When completed, Fort Worden had 41 artillery pieces, completing the famous “Triangle of Fire”: two 12-inch disappearing guns, two 12-inch barbette guns, two 10-inch disappearing guns, five 10-inch barbette guns, eight 6-inch disappearing guns, two 5-inch pedestal guns, four 3-inch pedestal guns, and sixteen 12-inch mortars.
During World War I, the complement at Fort Worden was greatly expanded as soldiers arrived for training prior to being sent to European battlefields. To keep up with the demand, construction of new barracks and buildings continued throughout the war. Thirty-six of the fort’s 41 artillery pieces were dismantled and shipped to European battlefields. After the war, the fort’s staffing was reduced to 50 officers and 884 enlisted men. Aircraft and balloons began to claim an important role in Puget Sound’s defensive strategy, diminishing the roll of the Coast Artillery. In the 1920s, a balloon hangar was built at Fort Worden at a cost of $85,000. Some of the batteries were modernized and made “bomb-proof.”
During World War II (1941-1945), Fort Worden remained the headquarters of the Harbor Defense Command, now jointly operated by the Army and the Navy. The fort was home to the 14th Coast Artillery Regiment of the U.S. Army, the 248th Regiment of the Washington National Guard, the 2nd Amphibious Engineers, and miscellaneous Navy personnel. The Army operated radar sites and coordinated Canadian and U.S. defensive activities in the Strait of Juan de Fuca and Puget Sound. The Navy, responsible for the detection and identification of all vessels entering and leaving Puget Sound, monitored new underwater sonar and sensing devices. Most of the gun emplacements were modified for anti-aircraft guns, which replaced the outdated artillery pieces. Fort Worden personnel also manned batteries and fire control towers at the Cape George Military Reservation, six miles southwest of Port Townsend on the Strait of Juan de Fuca at the entrance to Discovery Bay.
After World War II, the Coast Artillery units at Fort Worden were disbanded and the batteries dismantled. It remained active as an administrative unit until June 30, 1953, when the Harbor Defense Command was deactivated and the fort officially closed, ending 51 years of military jurisdiction. On July 1, 1957, the State of Washington purchased Fort Worden from the GSA for $127,533 for use as a diagnostic and treatment center for troubled youths.
The Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission acquired most of Fort Worden on September 30, 1971, when the state closed the juvenile treatment center. The 433.53-acre Fort Worden State Park and Conference Center was opened and dedicated on August 18, 1973. Since that time, the Washington State Parks has made the fort's buildings available as conference facilities and recreation housing, and developed full-service camping and recreational facilities at the beach. In 1981, the movie An Officer and a Gentleman, staring Richard Gere, Debra Winger, and Louis Gossett Jr. was filmed there. The park also includes the Puget Sound Coast Artillery Museum, and a balloon hangar that was used for airships. Including the light station at Point Wilson, Fort Worden State Park has more than two miles of shoreline on Puget Sound and the Strait of Juan de Fuca. On March 15, 1974, the National Park Service listed Fort Worden on the National Register as a Historic District (listing No. 7400194), and a designated National Historic Landmark.
Other Harbor Defense Fortifications
Although not a part of the “Triangle of Fire,” there were three other forts constructed around the turn of the twentieth century that completed the Harbor Defenses of Puget Sound: Fort Whitman, Fort Ward, and Middle Point Military Reservation. Fort Whitman, activated in 1909, was located on the northwest end of Goat Island near LaConner in Skagit Bay, and positioned to guard Deception Pass and Saratoga Pass, the back entrance into Puget Sound. There are mounts for three guns in Battery Harrison, along with associated rooms and tunnels similar to those found at Fort Worden and Fort Casey State Parks. Goat Island is now part of the Skagit Wildlife Area.
The Puget Sound Navy Yard in Bremerton was protected by fortification located at two sites facing each other across Rich Passage in Kitsap County. The batteries at Fort Ward, at Beans Point on Bainbridge Island, and at Middle Point, a part of Fort Ward, near Manchester, were activated in 1903. Fort Ward had four gun emplacements: Batteries Nash, Warner, Thornburgh, and Vinton. The fort’s armament consisted of one 8-inch gun, one 5-inch gun, and two 3-inch guns. Middle Point had only one gun emplacement, Battery Mitchell, built for two 3-inch pedestal guns, but they were never installed. Middle Point’s main purpose was to serve as the fire control center for remotely fired “torpedoes” (mines) in the event of an invasion. After World War I, Fort Ward was placed in caretaker status and in the 1920s, all the guns were removed.
The Army transferred Fort Ward, including Middle Point, to the Navy in 1938. During World War II, the Navy used Fort Ward as a radio station and training school for communications personnel and controlled submarine nets that stretched across Rich Passage. The Middle Point Military Reservation was converted into the Manchester Naval Supply Depot. Fort Ward was decommissioned in 1958, purchased by Washington State Parks in 1960, and became Fort Ward State Park, a 137-acre marine park. Middle Point became part of Manchester State Park, a 111-acre camping park; the Navy still owns the remainder of the reservation. On January 12, 1978, Fort Ward, including Middle Point, was officially designated as an historic site by the Washington State Advisory Council on Historic Preservation and listed on the Washington Heritage Register (listing No. DT0000
This essay made possible by:
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Washington State Department of Archeology and Historic Preservation
Triangle of Fire at Admiralty Inlet
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Fort Flagler from the air, 1994
Courtesy Washington State Department of Ecology
Fort Flagler State Park
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Admiralty Head from the air, 1994
Courtesy Washington State Department of Ecology
Battery Worth Gun, Fort Casey State Park, April 14, 2010
Photo by John Stanton (CC BY-SA 3.0)
Three-inch gun mount, Battery Trevor, Fort Casey State Park, 2000
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Fort Casey State Park from the air
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Fort Worden from the air, 1994
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Point Wilson from the air, 1994
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Firing gun, Battery Ash, Fort Worden, 1910
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Sources: James Hermanson, Rural Jefferson County: Its Heritage and Maritime History (Port Townsend: James S. Hermanson, 2002); Marge and Ted Mueller, Washington State Parks: A Complete Recreation Guide (Seattle: The Mountaineers, 1999); Karen Russell and Jeanne Bean, Marrowstone (Port Townsend: Port Townsend Publishing Co., 197
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It's because Jay Inslee and his cohorts are inept at governing on every level. Drilling under Seattle with a "mega drill" that kept breaking down every few miles, terrible DoT, tent cities, homeless RV camps in which the funding and expenses were suspect at best, and now a half-baked quarantine attempt. I knew this would be botched somewhere along the line as soon as he got involved. I wonder if anyone is keeping track of the publicly defecating needle junkies that plague King County.
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Congratulations.
In a thread of doomers, preppers, boomers and toilet paper hoarders this is the single stupidest post I've read in this entire thread. Possibly this entire forum.
The last Chinese ships before the CCP locked down exports and people slowed down ordering shit arrived in the UK back at the end of February. I'd assume for the US West Coast where most China Distribution starts was sometime mid feb. Once the backlog gets worked off, the intermodal trains will stop running.
Anyone Kiwis near any cargo ports? Getting a look at what's there, or not there, would give an idea of when to begin expecting shortages of more things that usually have "Made in China" stamped on them.
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the msm has been shit for years, if not decades, what do you expect? or do you mean this time it's serious? more or less serious than your everyday politics where they dropped the ball? more or less serious when they reported about happenings like iran having a hissy fit and already declaring it ww3?
you can't expect common sense and restraint from the msm (not even for their own benefit, anyone with 2 braincells would know how their antics look to people), that ship has sailed.
emphasis mine.
we really need an irony rating. you probably don't even see it. so let's talk.
I'm honestly curious, what do you expect them to say? yes, you, since you're one of the more prominent whiners in this thread. and more importantly, what do you think it's gonna do?
it's piss easy to sit on a high horse and proclaim "WE WANNA KNOW THE TRUTH!!!!!" - why? so "informed" citizens can make an "informed" decision? have you ever been outside? people are fucking stupid. the bigger a group gets the more stupid it becomes, and we're talking about the whole fucking planet here. whether you like it or not everyone is looking what the usa is saying. and any country is keeping a close eye what their neighbors are doing, even more so with open borders and globalization. so what do you want them to say? "it's serious", "it's a pandemic" etc? dude, people are already hoarding masks, TP and sanitizer where it makes hardly any sense, what do you expect to happen when people have "real facts"?
here's an even bitterer pill to swallow: your government doesn't care about you. you're part of the population but it gives a rat's ass during an emergency how healthy you personally might be once it quarantines you after infections/fatalities go over the threshold. you can bitch and moan how "unfair" this is but the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will understand how and why it gives you information the way it does (this would be the perfect moment for the jack nicholson meme pic from a few good men, but I cba to look it up).
now, about those stupid and dangerous things. "it's just the flu" - it's not. you now probably think "haha, gotcha", well...
CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through February 29, 2020, there have been:
34,000,000 – 49,000,000 flu illnesses
16,000,000 – 23,000,000 flu medical visits
350,000 – 620,000 flu hospitalizations
20,000 – 52,000 flu deaths
and if you scroll down, they have to say this:
How does the number of flu hospitalizations estimated so far this season compare with previous end-of-season hospitalization estimates?
The number of hospitalizations estimated so far this season is lower than end-of-season total hospitalization estimates for any season since CDC began making these estimates. This table also summarizes all estimated influenza disease burden, by season, in U.S. from 2010-11 through 2017-18.
and wait, what does the * mean?
Because influenza surveillance does not capture all cases of flu that occur in the U.S., CDC provides these estimated ranges to better reflect the larger burden of influenza. These estimates are calculated based on CDC’s weekly influenza surveillance data and are preliminary.
source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
in other words: shit, that's not even all of them!
so, yeah, it's not the flu. not even close. but I can already hear "ha, that's the cdc, they're retarded and you can't trust them, and that statistic means shit, corona has been out since october in china". sure. but it's also a known infection they recognize, know how to handle, have protocols in place and (wait for it) have vaccines for. and despite all that more people died in the usa from the flu alone than corona killed in the whole world (that we know of, but I'll get to that).
and if you don't trust the cdc, what do you think more testing kits are gonna do?
with the stupid and dangerous numbers out of the way, let's talk about semantics!
when someone says "it's just the flu!", is that the excuse of some twittertard too lazy to wash his hands? or a government official making an "informed" statement based on numbers with people on the payroll that understand those numbers better than you and I ever will?
but what's really important: who did you quote? did you quote the former (congratulations, you're now on the level of shitty clickbait journalists) or the latter without understanding the effects of the flu (which makes you ignorant at best and outright stupid at worst)?
I mean, "people who are sick recover by going to work" - if that's your interpretation, ok, but what does it mean? jesus healing you by divine intervention once you punch your timecard in? or does it mean people never get better even when they work? no one ever recovered by going to work while having the flu? should everybody stop working immediately?
now, before you say "bro, you're retarded, just look at china! and we have to prevent it's mutation!!!" - I don't know, do you live in china? how many people died really? because I can make a photo right now of an empty street and link you some natgeo videos with fascinating animal behavior, does that mean everyone's dead? how do I even post? maybe I'm just dead inside?
of course china being china is one thing, but what about the west? did whole cities get depopulated and miles of earth scorched by the emperor's retribution as a great equalizer? all I can see is mostly high risk group fatalities (who would expect that, right?) and people recovering. yes, probably more people recovered than died by now since it only really started over here 3 months later and I hope to god you're not saying no one traveled in the first 2 months. from big-ass wuhan.
"but what about the crematories and the smoke and shit?!"
fun fact: people die. constantly. from all kinds of things. a virus outbreak doesn't mean everyone becomes immortal and only vulnerable to that virus. sometimes a virus doesn't even kill you, but helps something else! where would your immortality come in?
it gets even worse when you wanna put mutation on the table, because you might have heard of the last big flu mutation with an iberian name. so corona mutates in nurgle's playground, how fast do you think it will make it's way around the globe, with quarantines in place and people antsy everywhere? and that's just the chance, we know the flu mutates constantly and has killed millions. where's the hysteria? where's the panic shopping? where's your post bitching about people saying stupid and dangerous things about the flu?
I'd go over your other hot takes, but this rant is already long enough. I'll just leave this here (500 hours in paint)
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Just wait until the average age on 4chan starts nearing 60 and every year they panic as the flu rolls around and might kill them
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Update from the frontlines of retail hell (northeastern U.S., no confirmed in state cases yet.):
-We have workers panicking and afraid to come in. We've been working with a skeleton crew the last few days which is causing some system breakdown.
-disinfecting has become a big priority, wipes and sprays all over the store and workers encourages to wipe down frequently touched objects often.
-We have the products people are going apeshit for (hand sanitizer, disinfecting wipes, lysol, cans of soup, bags of rice, etc) but it's all in boxes in the backroom, we didn't have enough hands on deck to get it out on the floor. It's basically a scavenger hunt all day to find stuff for people.
-a lot of customers are just straight up saying "I don't know why I'm buying this shit, but everyone else is so I probably should too"
-no one is buying the disinfecting bleach for some reason, just the scented laundry kind. I've seen other people report the same, what's up with that? No one is buying the disinfecting hand wipes either, they only want gel sanitizer for some reason.
-people aren't going too crazy on the toilet paper
All in all it sounds like what a lot of other people have reported from their local big boxes, I think the most interesting part is workers refusing to come in. Maybe they're onto something, I can't say, but it definitely makes things rough because we're getting slammed.
-We have workers panicking and afraid to come in. We've been working with a skeleton crew the last few days which is causing some system breakdown.
-disinfecting has become a big priority, wipes and sprays all over the store and workers encourages to wipe down frequently touched objects often.
-We have the products people are going apeshit for (hand sanitizer, disinfecting wipes, lysol, cans of soup, bags of rice, etc) but it's all in boxes in the backroom, we didn't have enough hands on deck to get it out on the floor. It's basically a scavenger hunt all day to find stuff for people.
-a lot of customers are just straight up saying "I don't know why I'm buying this shit, but everyone else is so I probably should too"
-no one is buying the disinfecting bleach for some reason, just the scented laundry kind. I've seen other people report the same, what's up with that? No one is buying the disinfecting hand wipes either, they only want gel sanitizer for some reason.
-people aren't going too crazy on the toilet paper
All in all it sounds like what a lot of other people have reported from their local big boxes, I think the most interesting part is workers refusing to come in. Maybe they're onto something, I can't say, but it definitely makes things rough because we're getting slammed.
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One slide in a leaked presentation for US hospitals reveals that they're preparing for millions of hospitalizations as the outbreak unfolds
Lydia Ramsey Mar 6, 2020, 6:08 PM
Kaylen Smith demonstrates how to don the protective gear that must be worn when dealing with patients with an infectious disease as Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston prepares for a possible surge in coronavirus patients on Feb. 27, 2020. Federal officials this week urged Americans to get ready for the likely spread of the virus, known as COVID-19, in the United States.
The American Hospital Association, which represents thousands of hospitals and health systems, hosted a webinar in February with its member hospitals and health systems. Business Insider obtained a copy of the slides presented.
The presentation, titled "What healthcare leaders need to know: Preparing for the COVID-19" happened February 26, with representatives from the National Ebola Training and Education Center.
As part of the presentation to hospitals, Dr. James Lawler, a professor at the University of Nebraska Medical Center gave his "best guess" estimates of how much the virus might spread in the US.
Lawler's estimates include:
AHA webinar
The slide does not give a particular time frame.
The slide represents "his interpretation of the data available. It's possible that forecast will change as more information becomes available," a spokesman for Nebraska Medicine told Business Insider in an email.
The American Hospital Association said the webinar reflects the views of the experts who spoke on it, not its own.
The AHA regularly hosts webinars and conference calls that include a variety of voices and opinions that seek to provide relevant information to professionals at hospitals and health systems that are on the front lines of preparing for and protecting their patients and communities," a spokeswoman for the AHA told Business Insider in an emailed statement. "The slides you shared reflect the various perspectives of field experts and should not be attributed to the AHA."
In particular, the slide points out that hospitals should prepare for an impact to the system that's 10 times a severe flu season.
Lawler isn't alone in anticipating widespread infections. Marc Lipsitch an epidemiology professor at Harvard University told The Atlantic he predicts anywhere from 40-70% of people globally will be infected with the novel coronavirus within the next year.
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Obviously they may be wrong in their predictions, but it's worrying that epidemiology experts consider those numbers.
Lydia Ramsey Mar 6, 2020, 6:08 PM
- Hospitals are confronting the rising threat of the novel coronavirus in the US.
- The spread of the coronavirus outbreak in the US could push the healthcare system to its limits.
- In a February webinar presentation hosted by the American Hospital Association, an expert laid out "best guess" estimates about how many Americans could be impacted.
- He projected that there could be as many as 96 million cases in the US, 4.8 million hospitalizations, and 480,000 deaths associated with the novel coronavirus.
The American Hospital Association, which represents thousands of hospitals and health systems, hosted a webinar in February with its member hospitals and health systems. Business Insider obtained a copy of the slides presented.
The presentation, titled "What healthcare leaders need to know: Preparing for the COVID-19" happened February 26, with representatives from the National Ebola Training and Education Center.
As part of the presentation to hospitals, Dr. James Lawler, a professor at the University of Nebraska Medical Center gave his "best guess" estimates of how much the virus might spread in the US.
Lawler's estimates include:
- 4.8 million hospitalizations associated with the novel coronavirus
- 96 million cases overall in the US
- 480,000 deaths
- Overall, the slide points out that hospitals should prepare for an impact to the system that's 10 times a severe flu season.
AHA webinar
The slide does not give a particular time frame.
The slide represents "his interpretation of the data available. It's possible that forecast will change as more information becomes available," a spokesman for Nebraska Medicine told Business Insider in an email.
The American Hospital Association said the webinar reflects the views of the experts who spoke on it, not its own.
The AHA regularly hosts webinars and conference calls that include a variety of voices and opinions that seek to provide relevant information to professionals at hospitals and health systems that are on the front lines of preparing for and protecting their patients and communities," a spokeswoman for the AHA told Business Insider in an emailed statement. "The slides you shared reflect the various perspectives of field experts and should not be attributed to the AHA."
In particular, the slide points out that hospitals should prepare for an impact to the system that's 10 times a severe flu season.
Lawler isn't alone in anticipating widespread infections. Marc Lipsitch an epidemiology professor at Harvard University told The Atlantic he predicts anywhere from 40-70% of people globally will be infected with the novel coronavirus within the next year.
Source / Archive
Obviously they may be wrong in their predictions, but it's worrying that epidemiology experts consider those numbers.
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Suomessa neljä uutta koronavirustartuntaa
Tähän mennessä Suomessa on todettu yhteensä 19 koronavirustartuntaa.
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They seem quite sensible to me, 10x a bad flu season? Yup.
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I worked retail and right now I would probably just quit, especially if I worked in a grocery. I had them complain to the manager that I wouldn't let them stand an inch away from my face to talk during cold and flu season, on top of them always handing me their trash and all the other filthy things they do. I hope those people die choking on hand sanitizer.
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That R0 is incredibly optimistic for the USA. All it takes is some selfish asshole to "just go about living their life" to infect scores of other people, and the US is full of those idiots.
We are a country that has never been bombed. Our civilians are stupider than shit.
We are a country that has never been bombed. Our civilians are stupider than shit.
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