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I think you misinterpreted my post. Obviously it's not happening, I was waxing poetic on what we could be if we worked together instead of this half assessed response across multiple fronts until people have died from it and they have no other choice. It's too late now when it's already widespread, just becomes about mitigating the damage and managing those who're sick.

Does China though? are you sure about that?
Oh, I guarantee that six months from now, dumb 80s neocon retreads will still be blaming the national government of the Chinky empire, which despite being the first government to deal with the disease very rapidly applied very harsh internal quarantine measures and actually dealt with the problem.

Meanwhile the American occupational government can't even make test kits. They're too busy blocking actual independent nations from engaging in financial transactions and from buying medical supplies.
 
In my experience, being an asshole gives you a distinct unfair advantage against these things. :-P

You are so right. Narcissists seem to survive every plague. They never fucking die. Theirs are those cold, stiff, yellowed, briney hands clutching to the side of their bed, waiting for the doctor to come in and congratulate them for miraculously pulling through, this time.

The rest of us politely check out at 75, in excruciating pain, after a "brief battle" with something.
 
also the dicksucking of china on twitter and elsewhere is just confirming my insane ideas that people have already subconsciously accepted china as the new zerg overlord power. USA will be generally viewed same as USSR was by west in 10 years. praise be xi.
Why are you using Twitter "and elsewhere" as a measure of the collective opinion of America (if such a thing could ever exist) as a whole? Social media isn't real life.
 
Its who can take the most pain, shale has a higher production cost then normal oil so it needs higher prices to stay viable.
Alright. But prices were way lower than this back in 2016 and the industry survived.

Is the concern now the issue of the debt coming due soon? Are the oil companies unable to pay it off? Or do they simply not want to pay it off? These businesses have been making money hand over fist for years. I'm not exactly seeing the earth-shattering problem. The shale will still be there after this passes. The technology and know-how are already proven and available. And these companies have almost all of the money.

How does this not end up being the Russian fly buzzing around the American ass and barely being noticed?
 
Hmm, so the coronavirus is a 2A advocate.



As the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases continues to multiply, many Americans are emptying store shelves of hand sanitizer, bleach, and canned goods. But there’s an acute fear among Asian-Americans that the virus’s origins in China will spark a violent xenophobic backlash. Along the West Coast, where the worst outbreaks of coronavirus in the United States have occurred, those fears seem to be spurring a surge in gun sales.

“People are panicking because they don’t feel secure,” said David Liu, who is Chinese-American and owns Arcadia Firearm and Safety, just east of Los Angeles. “They worry about a riot or maybe that people will start to target the Chinese.”

Liu said his store had seen a fivefold increase in sales over the past two weeks. He’s sold out of Glock handguns, and some customers have asked to buy his entire inventory of ammunition branded for home defense. “They think it’s Costco,” he said.

According to Liu, his customers are overwhelmingly of Chinese descent. They worry, he explained, that in the event of mass panic, they might face violence because of their ethnicity, and be easy victims because of historically low rates of gun ownership. Surveys of gun ownership don’t usually track Asian-Americans separately, but instead include them in an “other” category that is typically very small.

As The Los Angeles Times has reported, since the first novel coronavirus outbreaks in the United States, Asian-Americans have experienced intensifying venom, including bullying, racist comments, and harassment. And, on February 24, a man of East Asian descent was assaulted in central London. One of the assailants reportedly said, “I don’t want your coronavirus in my country.”

“The main thing I’m hearing is that they don’t want to get jumped because of their race,” said Cole Gaughran, the internet sales manager at Wade’s Eastside Guns in Bellevue, Washington. Gaughran said his store has seen a sixfold increase in sales in the same two weeks. His new customers, most of them first-time gun owners, were almost entirely of Asian descent, he said. Bellevue is just a 15 minute drive from Kirkland, where 11 people have died from the virus.

There’s no way to get an accurate accounting for how many people buy guns on a weekly basis, or in real time. However, in Washington, local police departments do process background checks for most first-time gun buyers. In Bellevue, police say they’ve registered the spike in demand. Meeghan Black, the Police Department’s public information officer, said that since August of last year, the department has processed a steady average of around 158 checks per month. But in the first four days of March, they handled more than a hundred.

“The officer who processes these checks said he’s been processing the last ten years, and has never seen anything like this in his life,” she added.

In nearby Lynnwood, Washington, the local police department saw no such increase in firearm sales. But at least one local gun shop did.

Tiffany Teasdale, the co-owner of Lynnwood Gun and Ammunition, said she, too, has seen a sixfold increase in sales over the past two weeks, predominantly from Chinese-American customers. “We’ve had a line of customers before opening Thursday through Sunday, and customers in the store until 10 to 15 minutes after closing.” she said. “We used to sell from 10 to 15 firearms in a weekend. [We sold] 60 firearms just [last] Saturday.”

Teasdale said that nearby stores had seen increases as well, and her distributors had run out of 9mm ammunition. “It’s been happening for the last four or five days,” Teasdale said.” A lot of our distributors nationally are saying that all of their warehouses are empty. None of them know why.”

So far, police departments and civil rights groups in cities experiencing increased gun sales have received no reports of violent attacks against Asians, they say. The Bellevue Police Department said it hadn’t received a single complaint since the first U.S. case of coronavirus made headlines.

Robin Engle, a spokesperson for OneAmerica — a Seattle-based nonprofit focused on immigrant rights — said that while the organization was aware of people avoiding Asian restaurants, it had not heard about any hate crimes in the Seattle area.

When told about the reports from gun-store owners, she said, “It is alarming that people are afraid that that can happen to the point that they’re going out and buying guns.”
 
Broke: Making fun of Chinese cuisine for a possible role in the virus's origin is racist.
Woke: Adopting OCD-level Asian cleanliness rituals in response to the virus's spread is cultural appropriation, also racist.

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Its who can take the most pain, shale has a higher production cost then normal oil so it needs higher prices to stay viable.

Nah, shale is very viable on it's own. The main thing high oil prices did was make getting investment for it as a new technology easier in the 2000's. Once the investment hurdle was passed Pandora's box was pretty much opened.
The Saudi's/OPEC tried to flood the market with cheap oil to snuff it out in 2015-2017 but it did nothing. Since then US shale has gotten it's production costs to bellow that of the Saudi's production costs depending on whose numbers you are using.

Edit: By the way, the reason why oil is in free-fall is because the Chinese have stopped buying, for obvious reasons.
The Chinese buy absolutely absurd amounts of oil to fuel their industry. The US consumes more yes, but they produce almost all of it domestically now.
China has virtually no domestic Oil production, not nearly enough anyways.
Now that demand is down the prices will fall with it.
 
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So Ted Cruz is in quarantine. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.

While I have never met the man, I would enjoy immensely his company at his funeral.

Nah, shale is very viable on it's own. The main thing high oil prices did was make getting investment for it as a new technology easier in the 2000's. Once the investment hurdle was passed Pandora's box was pretty much opened.
The Saudi's/OPEC tried to flood the market with cheap oil to snuff it out in 2015-2017 but it did nothing. Since then US shale has gotten it's production costs to bellow that of the Saudi's production costs depending on whose numbers you are using.
Oh I have to disagree with you on that. Junk Bonds have loads stuffed into Energy - particularly shale.

And they are leveraged up to wazoo half of them. They are going to feel a real burn, this isn't like the 2014 oil drop. No bank or junk bond investor is going to help 30% of them refinance with oil barely making a few bucks a barrel and interest payments at 7%.

Nah, we will have the big boys survive but unless Putin and Saudi back off, we're gonna feel some serious pain down south. $30 oil is fucking torture to the big boys and downright plain homicide to the smaller fellows.
 
Nah, we will have the big boys survive but unless Putin and Saudi back off, we're gonna feel some serious pain down south. $30 oil is fucking torture to the big boys and downright plain homicide to the smaller fellows.

Putin and Saudi aren't doing shit. They want to sell oil as high as possible, dibshit.
This is all because China qoofed out.
They literally can't sell oil at a higher price if they wanted to.
 
Hmm, so the coronavirus is a 2A advocate.



As the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases continues to multiply, many Americans are emptying store shelves of hand sanitizer, bleach, and canned goods. But there’s an acute fear among Asian-Americans that the virus’s origins in China will spark a violent xenophobic backlash. Along the West Coast, where the worst outbreaks of coronavirus in the United States have occurred, those fears seem to be spurring a surge in gun sales.

“People are panicking because they don’t feel secure,” said David Liu, who is Chinese-American and owns Arcadia Firearm and Safety, just east of Los Angeles. “They worry about a riot or maybe that people will start to target the Chinese.”

Liu said his store had seen a fivefold increase in sales over the past two weeks. He’s sold out of Glock handguns, and some customers have asked to buy his entire inventory of ammunition branded for home defense. “They think it’s Costco,” he said.

According to Liu, his customers are overwhelmingly of Chinese descent. They worry, he explained, that in the event of mass panic, they might face violence because of their ethnicity, and be easy victims because of historically low rates of gun ownership. Surveys of gun ownership don’t usually track Asian-Americans separately, but instead include them in an “other” category that is typically very small.

As The Los Angeles Times has reported, since the first novel coronavirus outbreaks in the United States, Asian-Americans have experienced intensifying venom, including bullying, racist comments, and harassment. And, on February 24, a man of East Asian descent was assaulted in central London. One of the assailants reportedly said, “I don’t want your coronavirus in my country.”

“The main thing I’m hearing is that they don’t want to get jumped because of their race,” said Cole Gaughran, the internet sales manager at Wade’s Eastside Guns in Bellevue, Washington. Gaughran said his store has seen a sixfold increase in sales in the same two weeks. His new customers, most of them first-time gun owners, were almost entirely of Asian descent, he said. Bellevue is just a 15 minute drive from Kirkland, where 11 people have died from the virus.

There’s no way to get an accurate accounting for how many people buy guns on a weekly basis, or in real time. However, in Washington, local police departments do process background checks for most first-time gun buyers. In Bellevue, police say they’ve registered the spike in demand. Meeghan Black, the Police Department’s public information officer, said that since August of last year, the department has processed a steady average of around 158 checks per month. But in the first four days of March, they handled more than a hundred.

“The officer who processes these checks said he’s been processing the last ten years, and has never seen anything like this in his life,” she added.

In nearby Lynnwood, Washington, the local police department saw no such increase in firearm sales. But at least one local gun shop did.

Tiffany Teasdale, the co-owner of Lynnwood Gun and Ammunition, said she, too, has seen a sixfold increase in sales over the past two weeks, predominantly from Chinese-American customers. “We’ve had a line of customers before opening Thursday through Sunday, and customers in the store until 10 to 15 minutes after closing.” she said. “We used to sell from 10 to 15 firearms in a weekend. [We sold] 60 firearms just [last] Saturday.”

Teasdale said that nearby stores had seen increases as well, and her distributors had run out of 9mm ammunition. “It’s been happening for the last four or five days,” Teasdale said.” A lot of our distributors nationally are saying that all of their warehouses are empty. None of them know why.”

So far, police departments and civil rights groups in cities experiencing increased gun sales have received no reports of violent attacks against Asians, they say. The Bellevue Police Department said it hadn’t received a single complaint since the first U.S. case of coronavirus made headlines.

Robin Engle, a spokesperson for OneAmerica — a Seattle-based nonprofit focused on immigrant rights — said that while the organization was aware of people avoiding Asian restaurants, it had not heard about any hate crimes in the Seattle area.

When told about the reports from gun-store owners, she said, “It is alarming that people are afraid that that can happen to the point that they’re going out and buying guns.”

Panicked gun buyers with little or no history of firearms experience, buying up sidearms and ammo. It's only going to take one paranoid/panicked Chinese firing at a random person approaching them to turn that race-war worry into a reality.
 
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Alright. But prices were way lower than this back in 2016 and the industry survived.

Is the concern now the issue of the debt coming due soon? Are the oil companies unable to pay it off? Or do they simply not want to pay it off? These businesses have been making money hand over fist for years. I'm not exactly seeing the earth-shattering problem. The shale will still be there after this passes. The technology and know-how are already proven and available. And these companies have almost all of the money.

How does this not end up being the Russian fly buzzing around the American ass and barely being noticed?

In 2016 the banks kept shale afloat when the Saudis tried to kill it. They can do it again if they want. We'll just have to wait and see. The problem is its just not Russia. Since Russia said they're not going to cut production the Saudis are going to run wide open also in a race to the bottom. Shale is going to need those same banks or the government to do the smart thing and back them. The USA cant be left open to the whims of these dipshits.
 
Hmm, so the coronavirus is a 2A advocate.



As the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases continues to multiply, many Americans are emptying store shelves of hand sanitizer, bleach, and canned goods. But there’s an acute fear among Asian-Americans that the virus’s origins in China will spark a violent xenophobic backlash. Along the West Coast, where the worst outbreaks of coronavirus in the United States have occurred, those fears seem to be spurring a surge in gun sales.

“People are panicking because they don’t feel secure,” said David Liu, who is Chinese-American and owns Arcadia Firearm and Safety, just east of Los Angeles. “They worry about a riot or maybe that people will start to target the Chinese.”

Liu said his store had seen a fivefold increase in sales over the past two weeks. He’s sold out of Glock handguns, and some customers have asked to buy his entire inventory of ammunition branded for home defense. “They think it’s Costco,” he said.

According to Liu, his customers are overwhelmingly of Chinese descent. They worry, he explained, that in the event of mass panic, they might face violence because of their ethnicity, and be easy victims because of historically low rates of gun ownership. Surveys of gun ownership don’t usually track Asian-Americans separately, but instead include them in an “other” category that is typically very small.

As The Los Angeles Times has reported, since the first novel coronavirus outbreaks in the United States, Asian-Americans have experienced intensifying venom, including bullying, racist comments, and harassment. And, on February 24, a man of East Asian descent was assaulted in central London. One of the assailants reportedly said, “I don’t want your coronavirus in my country.”

“The main thing I’m hearing is that they don’t want to get jumped because of their race,” said Cole Gaughran, the internet sales manager at Wade’s Eastside Guns in Bellevue, Washington. Gaughran said his store has seen a sixfold increase in sales in the same two weeks. His new customers, most of them first-time gun owners, were almost entirely of Asian descent, he said. Bellevue is just a 15 minute drive from Kirkland, where 11 people have died from the virus.

There’s no way to get an accurate accounting for how many people buy guns on a weekly basis, or in real time. However, in Washington, local police departments do process background checks for most first-time gun buyers. In Bellevue, police say they’ve registered the spike in demand. Meeghan Black, the Police Department’s public information officer, said that since August of last year, the department has processed a steady average of around 158 checks per month. But in the first four days of March, they handled more than a hundred.

“The officer who processes these checks said he’s been processing the last ten years, and has never seen anything like this in his life,” she added.

In nearby Lynnwood, Washington, the local police department saw no such increase in firearm sales. But at least one local gun shop did.

Tiffany Teasdale, the co-owner of Lynnwood Gun and Ammunition, said she, too, has seen a sixfold increase in sales over the past two weeks, predominantly from Chinese-American customers. “We’ve had a line of customers before opening Thursday through Sunday, and customers in the store until 10 to 15 minutes after closing.” she said. “We used to sell from 10 to 15 firearms in a weekend. [We sold] 60 firearms just [last] Saturday.”

Teasdale said that nearby stores had seen increases as well, and her distributors had run out of 9mm ammunition. “It’s been happening for the last four or five days,” Teasdale said.” A lot of our distributors nationally are saying that all of their warehouses are empty. None of them know why.”

So far, police departments and civil rights groups in cities experiencing increased gun sales have received no reports of violent attacks against Asians, they say. The Bellevue Police Department said it hadn’t received a single complaint since the first U.S. case of coronavirus made headlines.

Robin Engle, a spokesperson for OneAmerica — a Seattle-based nonprofit focused on immigrant rights — said that while the organization was aware of people avoiding Asian restaurants, it had not heard about any hate crimes in the Seattle area.

When told about the reports from gun-store owners, she said, “It is alarming that people are afraid that that can happen to the point that they’re going out and buying guns.”

I live in a place with a very diverse population. Have neither heard nor seen any verbal or physical attacks against any Asians over this. Believe it's just a few assholes doing it, then the media whips it into a Holocaust.

Oh, not all Chinese restaurants are run by Chinese. Koreans run them, as well.
 
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So, this topic of oil prices just made me realize one thing, and after checking it seems real. So as you know at the begining of this outbreak spanish farmers were starting to break as Europe's february lets-tighten-the-noose-around-spain's-neck regulation happened, like every other february, and their legislation made it not even worth it to try and have a farm.

Well things have been getting progressively calmer on that front. And they shouldn't, I mean, veggie prizes have risen as international commerce gets buttraped, but not nearly enough.

Well. Wanna know what the biggest source of production cost is for spanish famrs? The oil required to power the farming equipment and trucks that carry the produce to the packaging plants.

Best part. My farmer pal confirmed he's heard talk of a small business thinking on building biofuel plants to force those costs down forever. I honestly wish them the best of luck on this endeavor. Godspeed autists. Europe get fucked. Every year you try to kill us. But you're only making us stronger in the end. And more resentful... way more resentful. :)
 
>US states/cities refuse to wait on CDC/White House giving direct orders to do shit, handle it on their own
>China will be hailed as the ones who handled this properly despite suppressing info and CCP dragging their feet to give orders for literal months
called it

also the dicksucking of china on twitter and elsewhere is just confirming my insane ideas that people have already subconsciously accepted china as the new zerg overlord power. USA will be generally viewed same as USSR was by west in 10 years. praise be xi.

No. China's reputation as a budding great power has been knocked in the dirt. Every YouTube video of CCP WuFlu atrocities showed China's not ready for prime time and may never be. Any "dicksucking" on social media was likely instigated by CCP workers in China and other countries.

A great power doesn't arrest doctors who raise valid concerns. A great power doesn't weld people into their homes. A great power doesn't pull people off the street and shove them into a windowless metal box on the back of a pickup truck. These things have been out for all to see, including national leaders.



Added to avoid a double post - Holy shit! Oil's at 30.62/barrel per the Wall Street Journal web site.
 
No. China's reputation as a budding great power has been knocked in the dirt. Every YouTube video of CCP WuFlu atrocities showed China's not ready for prime time and may never be. Any "dicksucking" on social media was likely instigated by CCP workers in China and other countries.

A great power doesn't arrest doctors who raise valid concerns. A great power doesn't weld people into their homes. A great power doesn't pull people off the street and shove them into a windowless metal box on the back of a pickup truck. These things have been out for all to see, including national leaders.

Here you go hun....

Although unfortunately I might have to disagree with you about what constitutes a "great power."

Did that building collapse because they couldn't afford to fix it? Did they put it together with backerboard, putty and zip ties because they don't have the resources to build properly? Then yes, China is a third-world shithole and we have nothing to worry about.

Or did that building collapse because nobody gives a shit enough to have proper permits and inspections? Are competent crews and architects waiting on standby to do an excellent job, for a fair price, while the system allows the building owner to Jerry -rig the foundation?

If that is the case, they might be an aggressive wealthy superpower with a poor safety and human rights record.
 
No. China's reputation as a budding great power has been knocked in the dirt. Every YouTube video of CCP WuFlu atrocities showed China's not ready for prime time and may never be. Any "dicksucking" on social media was likely instigated by CCP workers in China and other countries.

A great power doesn't arrest doctors who raise valid concerns. A great power doesn't weld people into their homes. A great power doesn't pull people off the street and shove them into a windowless metal box on the back of a pickup truck. These things have been out for all to see, including national leaders.



Added to avoid a double post - Holy shit! Oil's at 30.62/barrel per the Wall Street Journal web site.
One thing dictatorships are good at is getting things done, no need for bureaucracy votes etc. Just tell them to do it and it's done. Even if it violates peoples personal freedom. I remember one person saying China bought the rest of world time to prepare for the outbreak by mass quarantines. But it seems the west fucked it all up in a multiple different ways until last week.

WHO offered the usa test kits, cdc said no we will make our own and have it not only test for covid19 but also sars and mers. Oops we fucked up the test. The only country that seems to be handling this well is south korea. Mass testing, that are basically drive thrus. Apps that let people know if someone is infected in their area etc. That's probably why their death rate is much lower than chinas and italy.

At the end of this the rest of the world needs to tell china to stop eating weird shit.

Germany needs to stop starting world wars and China needs to stop starting pandemics.
 
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