Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[A Welsh Cake]

The Virgin Paranoia

The Chad Apathy

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I'm no EU lover, but what do you even want them to do? Almost every EU countries are badly prepared to a pandemic because of incompetence and stupidity.

What can they actually do? Send drugs? There's no treatment. Send masks and hand sanitizers? It's out of stock everywhere.
Take the infected from Italy and treat them in their own hospitals? So that it can spread even more and paralyze their domestic healthcare system?

Spain's actually made a point of not closing italian flights to aid as possible (and sadly also bring in theit football fans... no one's happy about the second part) so that's certainly a start. Hell if the EU countries don't help each other on healthcare what the fuck are they helping on?!

Further. Europe's got a bank. It's supposed to aid in relief efforts. Like by giving money to ensure proper functioningnof the economy and incentivizing of small businesses to fix the gap in case of a collapse. You know where that money's going? Merkel's pockets.

Italy sure as shit ain't doing things perfeclty I'm the first to mock some of their measures. But let's not pretend they haven't been given the boot unceremoniously and left to rot. Hell we know that feel they did the same to us at the start of the civil war. Seems so called high democracies are quite happy to betray their principles whenever it suits them, and sometimes even when it doesn't.

 

[MadStan]

That's what the Italian government is trying to do, there should be another presidential decree by tomorrow. However, without the support (and permission) from the EU we cannot do much, especially because of our already existent huge debt.

Speaking of Europe. Forgive me but the more time goes by, the more I get pissed off and MATI so get your hats ready.

Where the fuck is the European Union? Where is the Central Bank? Where is the support from the institutions? Giorgia Meloni, the leader of Fratelli d'Italia, a true far-right proto-fascist party, whom I despise entirely, actually said something absolutely correct: how is it possible that the EU hasn't a protocol in place for pandemics or epidemics such as this? It almost physically hurt me when I heard Meloni interviewed and I agreed with everything she said.

By the way, I'd like to send a personal fuck you to all other European governments and media (mind you, not to their citizens). We can see you looking at Italy with contempt, sneering at our handling of the situation, as if just because you think you're better than us you're immune. Bitch, you think you don't have the virus, Macron? You think Germans do not actually know that there are more infected and dead people, Merkel? Italy and Italians know we're scumbags but at least we own it and when needed we can be transparent. I hope for the sake of other countries that they can learn from our experience and take precautions and actions in time so that the situation doesn't have to get as bad as ours is at the moment.

If the European Union doesn't act like a real union in times of crisis, when will it do it?

I don't get your rage at what EU is doing with Italy - there is nothing TO DO. It has to be quarantined and they don't need get well cards or stupid statements like we get in the USA. They need quarantine. Period. The other countries in the EU know whats coming and they will be in the same boat in 3 weeks.

There are protocols in place but no country wants to implement them. It calls for a suicidal approach to your GDP. You have to shut down the entire economy for a while so you can handle the cases, allow some to reopen, get infected and handle the cases and do this over a period of many many months until a vaccine arrives.

If we don't do it all worldwide at the same time then the shut downs will take place country to country, region to region over a period of a year destroying the global economy almost to permanent damage. If Italy is shut down for 3 months and then Germany shuts down, it still destroys Italy's economy AND Germany's.

There are no good choices to be made - only bad ones. As soon as the populations of the most poorer, well armed rich countries realize that (USA), if you don't throw free money at them to survive, you will have revolutions and chaos.

Quarantine is coming to the United States, They had better be prepared to fork over Trillions to the population to survive because if they don't, they will revolt. We might get a reprieve in the warmer months, but it will only make 2020 Winter absolutely killer.

 

[Vietnam Ron]

We had an old person die one county over, if it isn't here soon it will be very soon. You know this is finally the happening we've been promised when it encroaches on tons of kiwis.

 

[jagerkon]

Denmark went from 30 cases Sunday to 156 cases today + a recommendation to stay away from public transport during rush hours. Looks like its finally happening here too.

156 personer er smittet med coronavirus i Danmark

Antallet af smittede med coronavirus stiger time for time, siger statsministeren på et pressemøde.

jyllands-posten.dk

Regeringen opfordrer rejsende i den kollektive trafik til så vidt muligt ikke at rejse i myldretiden

<p>Regeringen tager den aktuelle situation med risiko for coronaspredning alvorligt. Derfor udsendes i dag opfordringer til, hvordan de rejsende med kollektiv trafik kan tage hensyn til hinanden og tage konkrete forholdsregler. Endvidere udsendes opfordringer til udbyderne af den kollektive...

www.trm.dk

Train tickets can also be refunded now if you decide that you dont want to coof all over the country. A nice gesture.

DSB | Information i forbindelse med coronavirus

www.dsb.dk

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

I heard that in my country, they're only specifically contacting people who sat within 2 seats/rows of infected patients. Seems a little ... optimistic to me?

Looking forward to a good GWAS on mildly vs severely affected patients so I can fire up AncestryDNA or whatever and decide whether I can stroll around the plague ridden streets with impunity, like a boss.

I don't see them kitting out a bunch of prisoners with heavy equipment. You need training for that shit and, in Canada at least, a special license.

Pretty sure they already do dig graves! (or used to) ?

I remember reading about trying to identify bodies in the potter's field on Hart Island. The prisoners were pretty sloppy with logistics, apparently.

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Speak for yourself, I find this wholly persuasive.

 

[Beluga]

I don't get your rage at what EU is doing with Italy - there is nothing TO DO. It has to be quarantined and they don't need get well cards or stupid statements like we get in the USA. They need quarantine. Period. The other countries in the EU know whats coming and they will be in the same boat in 3 weeks.

There are protocols in place but no country wants to implement them. It calls for a suicidal approach to your GDP. You have to shut down the entire economy for a while so you can handle the cases, allow some to reopen, get infected and handle the cases and do this over a period of many many months until a vaccine arrives.

If we don't do it all worldwide at the same time then the shut downs will take place country to country, region to region over a period of a year destroying the global economy almost to permanent damage. If Italy is shut down for 3 months and then Germany shuts down, it still destroys Italy's economy AND Germany's.

There are no good choices to be made - only bad ones. As soon as the populations of the most poorer, well armed rich countries realize that (USA), if you don't throw free money at them to survive, you will have revolutions and chaos.

Quarantine is coming to the United States, They had better be prepared to fork over Trillions to the population to survive because if they don't, they will revolt. We might get a reprieve in the warmer months, but it will only make 2020 Winter absolutely killer.

Nobody is asking for get well soon cards. Everybody knows that quarantine is needed. I think that the first mistake was not closing all borders in the whole continent sooner, honestly.

I was thinking more about economic measures. The problem we are facing right now is the fact that Italy has a huge debt and the EU has (rightfully in many cases) been very rigid with our audits and has limited the Italian government's spending power. However, in a moment like this, the Italian government needs to be able to invest in the market and the economy, to support seasonal workers etc. without fearing repercussions from the EU.

However I'm not an expert so I'll shut up about it since I know almost fuck all when it comes to economics. Just needed to vent a bit, apologies kiwis! I'll be back when relevant news is out

 

[DewsLit]

Few memes to lighten the mood. I don't remember where I got them, so there might be a repost or two.

 

[MadStan]

Nobody is asking for get well soon cards. Everybody knows that quarantine is needed. I think that the first mistake was not closing all borders in the whole continent sooner, honestly.

I was thinking more about economic measures. The problem we are facing right now is the fact that Italy has a huge debt and the EU has (rightfully in many cases) been very rigid with our audits and has limited the Italian government's spending power. However, in a moment like this, the Italian government needs to be able to invest in the market and the economy, to support seasonal workers etc. without fearing repercussions from the EU.

However I'm not an expert so I'll shut up about it since I know almost fuck all when it comes to economics. Just needed to vent a bit, apologies kiwis! I'll be back when relevant news is out

I would relax about the debt. Governments worldwide are going to have to issue such vasts amount of money to their population that we may in fact see a "debt Jubilee" take place. This is whereby trillions are issued in Bonds to keep economies running and then the central banks wipe off the debt at the end. It is the only way to do it, or we face a debt crisis that has no solution.

This Virus is going to fast track many good ideas and bad ideas that were meant to be considered years from now. We may even have a digital currency issued as a result also.

In a weird way, the fact that all countries will be in this virus disaster together may be a blessing. Nothing brings people together like a funeral.

 

[Noideawhattopick]

So Austria just closed the border to Italy
Google translate:
Government closes Italian border, closes universities, prohibits events
The government imposes an entry ban on people from Italy. Universities and universities of applied sciences will be blocked from Monday. Government cancels events from 100 (indoor) or 500 people (outdoor). Football games take place without an audience.

Wegen Coronavirus: Österreich im Krisenmodus: Ab sofort tägliche Telefonkonferenzen der EU

In Österreich wird das öffentliche Leben in den nächsten Wochen lahmgelegt werden. Unis, Opernhäuser, Kinos schließen bis 3. April ihre Pforten, Sportveranstaltungen finden ohne Publikum statt. Schulen bleiben - noch - offen. Die Grenze nach Italien wird geschlossen.

www.kleinezeitung.at

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

Stay away from joos

Silly kids will never get me delicious matzo!!

Can you get corona from motorboating big jewish titties though?

 

[Shaved Kiwis]

Few memes to lighten the mood. I don't remember where I got them, so there might be a repost or two.

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We are all gonna die from this bio-engineered PRC WU FLU, but at least we will all die laughing!

Another thing they could do is if the country needs to go on lockdown for a month the government can order all mortgages and rents to not be paid that month and allow property owners and banks to use it as a tax write off or even a credit on next years taxes. That would be far more useful then just cutting everyone a check.

That is far too sensible and straightforward. Knowing how government works people will probably get the money in the form of a Chuck-E-Cheese voucher because of some backroom deal that makes some fat cat some extra money.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

So, Italy's fatality/complication rates.

As of yesterday morning, the median age of patients is 65, 39.2% are over 70 and 37.4% between 51 and 70. 22% are 19-50 and 1.4% are under 19. So a good 3/4 of diagnosed cases are in the high risk category based on age alone. More than half of the dead were over 80 and two thirds had three or more preexisting conditions.

Italy also hasn't reported asymptomatic cases since the end of February. Compare that to South Korea where there were a pretty similar number of cases up until a day or two ago, but they test/report everyone and are younger overall. They have a fraction of the deaths and a fraction of the people in intensive care.

I'm not a fancy book-learning scientist, but it seems like what corona's doing to Italy looks more horrific than it actually is because their sample is an underestimate and biased towards those likely to suffer a worse outcome.

CS N° 19/2020 - Un paziente su cinque positivo al coronavirus ha tra 19 e 50 anni - ISS

Il 22% dei pazienti positivi al tampone per Sars-CoV-2 ha tra 19 e 50 anni. Lo afferma un’analisi dell’Istituto Superiore di sanità, che rende chiarissimo come in tutte le fasce di età, compresi i...

www.iss.it

Spoiler: Translation

22% of Sars-CoV-2 swab positive patients are between 19 and 50 years old. This is confirmed by an analysis of the Higher Institute of Health, which makes it very clear that in all age groups, including young people, the rules of social distancing must be respected.

"In these days we are reporting many examples of violations of the recommendations, especially by young people - underlines Silvio Brusaferro, president of the Iss - These data confirm how all age groups contribute to the spread of the infection, and unfortunately the worst effects affect the frail elderly. Giving up a party or an aperitif with friends, not leaving the area where one lives and giving up returning home is a duty to protect one's own health and that of others, especially the most fragile".

From the analysis, out of 8342 positive cases on March 9 at 10 a.m., it emerges that 1.4% are under 19 years of age, 22.0% are in the 19-50 bracket, 37.4% are between 51 and 70 and 39.2% are over 70, for a median age of 65. 62.1% are men. There are 583 positive health workers.

The median time between the onset of symptoms and diagnosis is 3-4 days. 10% of cases are asymptomatic, 5% with few symptoms, 30% with mild symptoms, 31% are symptomatic, 6% have severe symptoms and 19% critical. 24% of the cases examined were hospitalized. The analysis confirms that 56.6% of the deceased are over 80 years old, and two thirds of them have 3 or more pre-existing chronic diseases.

Cambia il metodo di conteggio: esclusi i positivi asintomatici

Ecco le nuove linee guida del ministero della Salute. Nuovi criteri per allinearsi agli altri Paesi. Segnalati solo i casi clinicamente

www.repubblica.it

Spoiler: Translation

Here are the new guidelines of the Ministry of Health. New criteria to align with other countries. Only clinically relevant cases reported.

In the coming days data on people affected by coronavirus in Italy will decrease or remain stable after days of rapid growth. However, the change will probably and unfortunately not be due to a decrease in virus circulation but to a new case calculation system. From the Ministry of Health have already informally anticipated to the Regions what then yesterday morning was partly explained by Giuseppe Ippolito of Spallanzani during a meeting with the foreign press of the Minister of Health, Roberto Speranza and that of Foreign Affairs, Luigi Di Maio. "In Italy - said Ippolito - we are working to communicate only the cases of new clinically relevant coronavirus", that is those that have important symptoms. In the other countries of the world, explained the infectivologist, it is done as follows: "Those who test positive for swabs made for any other reason, will go on a separate list but still extremely important for the definition of the epidemiological situation".

The ministry's idea is therefore to no longer communicate to the international bodies that deal with the epidemic all the asymptomatic cases, i.e. people who are positive for swabs but have no health problems. These infected people account for between 40 and 50% of all cases reported at this time. With rare exceptions, they are followed to their home and cannot leave until they have a positive swab because they could still be contagious. Of the 650 cases reported yesterday, 284 are in isolation at home because most of them have no symptoms. And even among the 45 cured there are certainly people who have never had any problems.

It will be necessary to see whether the counting method will be changed retrospectively, i.e. for the cases of these days or not. The second road has been used in China, but it has changed the counting upwards. However, even that country does not communicate the asymptomatic. The operation in Italy could cause controversy when a change in numbers is observed that does not correspond to a different trend of the epidemic. The intervention could have a reduced impact if the circular of the Ministry with the opinion of the Higher Council of Health that asks not to swab those who are asymptomatic is respected.

It has been reported for days that testing those who do not have fever or respiratory problems makes no sense, especially in the most affected areas. Yesterday also the Councillor for Welfare of Lombardy, the Region that has made far more tampons than all because it has more cases, Giulio Gallera repeated the concept. Just the day after a series of swabs on people without symptoms were made at the top of the regional task force for the case of Governor Fontana's coronavirus-infected collaborator.

You may not be a scientist but you sure know how to think as one. Semper Fi you autist. Yeah this isn't that worrying all things considered, specially with a kit shortage. And to be honest kits aren't that important, they're vital on the scientific effort but not even needed for the healthcare one, so while I'd say it's easy and cheap to fight this shortage, I'd also say I get why Italy isn't focused on that. It should be European and International researchers pushing to finance and organize that part so they can get accurate measures before it's their country in crisis, not the Italians, they should focus on healthcare first, second, third and economy forth.

So Austria just closed the border to Italy
Google translate:
Government closes Italian border, closes universities, prohibits events
The government imposes an entry ban on people from Italy. Universities and universities of applied sciences will be blocked from Monday. Government cancels events from 100 (indoor) or 500 people (outdoor). Football games take place without an audience.

Wegen Coronavirus: Österreich im Krisenmodus: Ab sofort tägliche Telefonkonferenzen der EU

In Österreich wird das öffentliche Leben in den nächsten Wochen lahmgelegt werden. Unis, Opernhäuser, Kinos schließen bis 3. April ihre Pforten, Sportveranstaltungen finden ohne Publikum statt. Schulen bleiben - noch - offen. Die Grenze nach Italien wird geschlossen.

www.kleinezeitung.at

So they didn't close flights to china but Italy can get fucked...
I'm so glad when the Business council and WHO tried to pressure us to do the same Fernando Simon and that other virologist whose name I can't remember rode their asses on the hypocrisy and pointed out even if Italian sick people come here as their supposed allies and a country that has historically accepted healthcare turists it would be incredibly fucking telling of how far we've fallen if we give Italy the boot.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Another case in Poland since yesterday, for a total of 18. No details yet. The government is tightening border controls and expanding them on the entire length of the border. These will include having people fill out forms for easier tracking, measuring temperatures and stopping anyone showing signs of illness. All high attendance public events are also cancelled. The Czechs are closing down schools as well, which I was hoping we would do as well, but nope. Still, some places will definitely suspend classes on their own.

god damn it! i hope it dosent cancel my trip next month.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

That's what the Italian government is trying to do, there should be another presidential decree by tomorrow. However, without the support (and permission) from the EU we cannot do much, especially because of our already existent huge debt.

Speaking of Europe. Forgive me but the more time goes by, the more I get pissed off and MATI so get your hats ready.

Where the fuck is the European Union? Where is the Central Bank? Where is the support from the institutions? Giorgia Meloni, the leader of Fratelli d'Italia, a true far-right proto-fascist party, whom I despise entirely, actually said something absolutely correct: how is it possible that the EU hasn't a protocol in place for pandemics or epidemics such as this? It almost physically hurt me when I heard Meloni interviewed and I agreed with everything she said.

By the way, I'd like to send a personal fuck you to all other European governments and media (mind you, not to their citizens). We can see you looking at Italy with contempt, sneering at our handling of the situation, as if just because you think you're better than us you're immune. Bitch, you think you don't have the virus, Macron? You think Germans do not actually know that there are more infected and dead people, Merkel? Italy and Italians know we're scumbags but at least we own it and when needed we can be transparent. I hope for the sake of other countries that they can learn from our experience and take precautions and actions in time so that the situation doesn't have to get as bad as ours is at the moment.

If the European Union doesn't act like a real union in times of crisis, when will it do it?

So once this all burns out, how long until the pastas cook up some more delicious meatballs? And by meatballs, I mean right wing death squads

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Just got back from running a grocery errand, and ...

The packs of toilet paper are gone (plenty of single rolls left though), and no hand sanitizer or hand soap. Lots of food left, though. Canned food looks untouched or properly restocked.

The "panic level" in my town is relatively reasonable compared to other stories I've been hearing, I guess.

 

[Shaved Kiwis]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-51811969?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5e6761cbc429ed066b591df8%26Japan%20cracks%20down%20on%20mask%20profiteering%262020-03-10T09%3A51%3A05.135Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:6310ed3b-f22b-4fdf-a219-b18f2e7bee28&pinned_post_asset_id=5e6761cbc429ed066b591df8&pinned_post_type=share

Japan is giving people who price gouge on masks 1 year in prison and/or fine.

god damn it! i hope it dosent cancel my trip next month.

I'm imagining you staying in for a month obliviously playing Playstation, then coming outside and the whole city is empty and half destroyed like in the intro to 28 days later. You show up at the airport all annoyed like where the fuck is everybody? You start trying to wake up the sleeping ticket agent, but when you jostle him you realize that he's not sleeping...

 

[fuckass]

Nobody:

Panic shoppers: https://youtu.be/zkrTN373OX8

 

[DewsLit]

Coronavirus: le pape demande aux prêtres «de sortir et d'aller voir les malades»

Le pape François encourage les prêtres à «port[er] la parole de Dieu». Le gouvernement italien a pourtant ordonné hier le placement du pays entier en quarantaine.

www.lefigaro.fr

Archive
Pope is hellbent on getting priests infected.
What better way to support medical staff and volunteers than making the situation worse.

Pope Francis on Tuesday urged priests " to have the courage to go out and see " patients with coronavirus during his morning Mass pronounced in his hotel residence, the house Sainte Marthe.

"Let us pray also for our priests, so that they have the courage to go out and visit the sick, bringing the strength of the word of God and the Eucharist, and support medical staff and volunteers the work they do "with patients, he said. This request of the Argentine Pope comes as the Italian Government has claimed instead to minimize the movement of people in Italy and especially avoid contact with patients.

Spoiler: Not the body of Christ

 

[ulsterscotsman]

St Patricks Day parade in Belfast is now cancelled.

Coronavirus: Belfast St Patrick's Day parade cancelled

Belfast City Council cancels St Patrick's Day parade and concert due to coronavirus.

www.irishnews.com