Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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To me, it is no surprise that the word pandemic was only used at the prospect of 1000+ US cases and the CDC sitting on their ass. It could have justifiably been used far earlier, and justifiably be used much later, given that there is no longer a formal definition of it ever since the WHO retired the 6 stage classification after swine flu. Using the word is merely a formality, and the WHO says it should not mean containment is a lost cost and control is impossible, especially given that some countries have limited transmission, few cases or even none at all or none anymore.

The world as a whole continues to be highly Americentric, and American Hegemony is not going anywhere in our lifetimes. By far, the US is the largest economy by a wide margin; it is unprecedented in it's scale. 1 million Chinese can die, 100 000 Europeans, and the world will look the other way, but 1 American and everyone loses their minds. The WHO, and UNICEF are very dependant on American funds and organization to run. It was not the inaction of the EU or the UK that led to the declaration, else we would have been here two weeks ago. We would be here much much later if the most conservative definition of "contract tracing is impossible and every human in every country faces the risk of community transmission." Abandonment of containment as a lost cause also does not make sense when China and SK have demonstrated containment is a good strategy and Italy has moved to drastic action. It had to have been America's inaction in particular, the CDC's lack of testing, and Trump's downplaying of the virus in favor of preserving the economy that pushed the WHO passed the tipping point. Trump is not a man of science by profession, he is a man of commerce, and that's the only language he knows how to speak. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. There needed to be a clearer way to communicate the danger to him as he has no concept otherwise.

I therefore conclude that the designation of COVID-19 as a pandemic was not necessarily a scientific move, based on any strict definition of severity or spread. The timing of the designation was likely more political in nature.
 
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Get ready for Trumps 9pm address where he will:

1. Tell you the economy is great.
2. That he will help banks and may even be nice enough to help the average Joe.
3. That the danger is overblown and you'll see it all be OK.
4. The its China's fault.
5. That its the CDCs fault.
6. That It's somehow the fault of previous administration policies.
7. That he had no control over it.
8. That if he had known it was this bad, but because others didn't tell him, that now he will really handle it.
9. That there are BIG TAX BREAKS coming and while he doesn't have ANY details, he'll get right back to you.
10. That Wall Street love him and they will get looked after.
11. That the Flu is worse and kills more and it's overblown.
12. That his hunches "trump" scientific "experts".
13. That Democrats and the media have made this worse than it "really is".
14. Its the Fed Reserves fault.
15. The Dow will bounce back REAL soon.
16. We have the best health system and are fully prepared and theres nothing to worry about.
Swap out one of those with "Pence is the right man for the job" and turn that into a bingo card baby.
 
If I get the Coof, I'm going to DC. Lick a few doorknobs, cough on some produce, visit some politicians and high class restaurants, maybe cleanse the establishment.

Anyone want to plan a road trip?
Can we blast Slayer's "raining blood" and fly the rebel flag as we roll up? I'm in if we can
 
Watching the PSG - Dortmund match right now. It's so odd watching a football match with nobody in the stadium. It's like the weirdest balance between "the show must go on" and maintaining safety, and all it really does is highlight how...not normal this sort of thing is.


Its really hard to watch it that way. No crowd noise makes it seem like its a scrimmage and theres no energy without the crowed.
 
Its really hard to watch it that way. No crowd noise makes it seem like its a scrimmage and theres no energy without the crowed.
Can't you just organize to have a fight in a warehouse with the opposing fans somewhere?

EDIT: For those with unaware family members, there's a Rogan interview with a epidemiologist here:
http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/michael-osterholm
He doesn't talk about what could be done to prevent the spread through government action, but then it isn't ever going to happen in the US anyway, so this is understandable.
 
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So I've been hearing a back and fourth on the Coronavirus being a literal gene splice baby of HIV and SARS, and I've also heard that such a development is impossible. Last I heard about it was Metokur's latest Wu-Flu stream where a rando super-chatter claimed to have inside info with the CDC and according to him, the CDC believe that the Coronavirus is two years old and was absolutely spliced with HIV because it allegedly self-revives after it's killed by the human immune system.

Anybody got conclusive details on whether this is true or not?
 
Anyone tried modelling the outbreak yet? Like, get a population density map of a region, write the behaviour for a pop, big for loop over each one per day (or hour if you want to get finer grained) that models symptom progression, transmission opportunities, test results, isolation and social distancing strategy, hospitalisation risk, etc and see how playing with the numbers or behaviour of the pops changes how much it seems to spread? Or if it's even containable without china style authoritarian lockdown? Even if you simulated 100 million, and they had a few hundred bytes of state each, still manageable on a desktop. I might try that tbh. I feel like no government is likely to share anything which would lead to panic, and I prefer knowing the truth about stuff.
 
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In fact, only about 170 million people got their shot last year in the U.S., with most of those who didn't being adults age 18-45 (I suspect this includes many on this here forum). In addition, the vaccine for this year wasn't terribly successful; the reports showed a 45% effectiveness. We were already en route to a pretty bad year for flu-related deaths anyway, well before Corona-chan showed up. Quite frankly, people this year should have been worrying about the flu, and they really still should be. Corona-chan's new and scary, but big sis Influenza has a long and proud history of fucking people up too.

If anything, I feel like the "just a flu, bro" talk kinda minimizes how bad the flu really is.
2018's vaccine got stored improperly by Location Vaccination. Kentucky, Ohio, and Indiana were effected. Don't worry, the flu vaccine wasn't alone. The measles, whooping cough, and hepatitis A ones got to join in. Bacterial infections from injections for all!


This incident may have made some people hesitant to get 2019's vaccine.

Hahahaha. No.
 
Just went to the store, and there was a woman sitting on a bench saying she was a brand ambassador (stupid fancy word for free samples lady, as she so eloquently put it), and that she was just told that the store stopped doing free samples due to the Coronavirus, but the company she worked for had her scheduled there for the event today. The store wouldn't let her set up, and the company wouldn't answer her calls.

She said she agreed with the store, and was confused, and angry that her company was still scheduling her for events even with all this shit going on. She told me that she'd been waiting for a response from her company for over an hour-and-a-half, and hadn't heard anything from them. I asked her what she was going to do, and she said "If they don't answer me in the next ten minutes, I'm going home!".

And she did, and rightfully so.

It got me wondering how many other situations like her's are happening. Stores like Target are stopping their free samples, but the marketing companies that set those up to begin with aren't, and I honestly don't wanna know how many employees, and businesses are actually going through with them.
 
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This is gonna sound stupid but I love you guys. I hope you assholes stay safe and that your families stay healthy. :heart-full:
One of the few places left with a real sense of humor.

Also guys let me know how many of Menotaur's predictions Trump fulfills. He sounds doped up. God the debates are going to be a nightmare.
 
Am not going the way of the politicians. I provided statistics to support my opinions. Would ask you to look at the links provided and demonstrate to me where I am wrong. Personally don't believe I have even been tested for flu, and am in the seventh decade of life.

We indeed have flu vaccines. But they are not always effective, sometimes less than 50% effective. And many people cannot, do not, or will not be vaccinated. Right now the "regular" flu is widespread over the entire country, many thousands hospitalized at one time or another, and thousands dead in the USA alone.

The only country I consider fucked up is China. That's due to the CCP sitting on the initial information of the virus breakout for so long, their miserable, deficient medical system for the proles, their unsatisfactory water systems, their medieval tactics to keep people penned up, their creating the virus in the first place (Wuhan Biological Warfare Facility), arresting doctors who raise valid concerns, and their constant stream of lies, even in the face of manifold videos and tweets. This is on them. A less ossified and paranoid regime would have handled this better.

Far as any other country being fucked up, it's hard to understand why so many countries believe the sky is falling when many more routinely die of the "regular" flu every year. If these countries' governments know something about this virus they are not telling, they need to spill the beans. All I know is that the virus targets the elderly/people with immune deficiencies more than apparently any other group of people. If there's more, then let's hear it. I go with what I know and the statistics available. Should I get new, reliable information have no problem changing my position on this virus. Seriously, I'm likely far more at risk than you are, and I'm not sweating it.
I love you man, but you're missing some key points. The flu has a mortality rate of less than .1% and rarely cause complications. Comparing it to a disease which has a mortality rate of 3-4% and much more frequently results in deterioration of health/requiring hospitalization, it should be obvious why there's concern. Hospitals in China and Italy alike have collapsed or are in the process of collapsing. That is the concern. A disease that overwhelms healthcare systems is dangerous. China is fucking skewered. They've lost an absolutely fucking phenomenal amount of money and risk their hold on power. They would be the last people (and in fact historically have been) to overreact to such a thing. If your belief is that the illness has been overblown, ask yourself, "what does China have to gain?" What does Italy have to gain? Iran? After realizing this, it should be obvious why there's a need to keep it from getting out of hand elsewhere. And before you say that it was all caused by panic, remember that the human-to-human spread of the disease wasn't widely accepted until after it got out of hand.

A large portion of the population (~45% in 2019) get vaccinated for the flu, and coupled with its low mortality rate there's not as much of a bona fide crisis to contain it physically. The flu is serious, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't endanger the entire healthcare system and economy of the country. If COVID-19 were to be left unrestrained, just about everyone would get it. And remember that we haven't been testing anyone until recently. Many people who have been sick or died were just never tested. CDC had a tight lock on it until a few days ago when some Californians pressured them into testing the case that ended up proving community spread. A case which they were very hesitant to test. It's easy to claim that there's no community spread if you never test anyone outside of people directly connected to infected individuals lmao. That is what caused the strong pressure for testing and criticism of government response. btw if you normally go to the doc when you have flu symptoms you probably have been tested and just don't remember. It's just a simple swab test nasally. It's super common. like on par with strep testing or something. if you were to go in with severe wuflu symptoms or even required hospitalization, you for sure would not have been tested a week ago. if you go today you will likely not be tested because of the low testing capacity in most states.
 
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So I've been hearing a back and fourth on the Coronavirus being a literal gene splice baby of HIV and SARS, and I've also heard that such a development is impossible. Last I heard about it was Metokur's latest Wu-Flu stream where a rando super-chatter claimed to have inside info with the CDC and according to him, the CDC believe that the Coronavirus is two years old and was absolutely spliced with HIV because it allegedly self-revives after it's killed by the human immune system.

Anybody got conclusive details on whether this is true or not?

That isn't how ANYTHING works.
 
This thread is stressing me out and making me sad. I've stayed ahead of the curve by following here but now we've now possibly got cases near my home and there's nothing I can personally do to stop it's spread to where I live. I feel like Canada has it within it's power to stop things now if we stop flights and lock up but it's like everyone in government has decided it's fine for it to spread here the we'll deal with it as it comes mentality is so frustrating.
 
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