Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[BroccoliBrain]

Genuine question for the audience, and I suppose it's more focused on the lady kiwis: How would you negotiate with Jazz in a social setting?

The various transgirls on the show are each at various stages of 'passing', but mentally and in terms of body language, would you perceive Jazz as "male in disguise" or "Female with terms and conditions"?

Not gonna entertain a hypothetical that requires a ton of reaching, but based on what I've seen of Jazz from this show he really comes across as a huge child, a very, very strange one. I keep thinking he's about 13 or 14 and only recently put on blockers, then realizing he's a legal adult now. It's bizarre, I'm literally watching a stunted little child-mind stumbling around in a tubby body that was carved up and augmented to resemble an adult human female, really chills the blood if I think about it for too long.

As infantile as he is, Jazz doesn't even flag as "bratty little girl" or "bratty little boy" to me but that's because I don't remember children acting very "gendered", when kids are being shitty no matter what they are, if you ignore little Jimmy crying over a broken toy truck or Stacy who wants expensive ballet lessons, they're all just children crying out for attention to fulfill a need. As we get older, we grow out of that shit and learn how to tend to ourselves and pick up other behaviors to be more socially acceptable (which yeah depends on your gender) but Jazz is still at the stage of demanding things and crying when refused, he just has additional instructions to shake his fake tits around and grow long hair because mommy told him "that's what girls do and YOU are one!"
Boys and girls still behave a little differently as kids but his mum scrubbed him of any natural behaviors he might've displayed so I can't perceive anything more and his 'femininity' as a young adult is extremely performative.

Spoiler: PL about a stunted classmate

I had a female classmate nobody liked for being 'weird' in a way I can only describe as being five years younger than the rest of us. When you're a little kid and you're maybe six, seven years old your parents are supposed to do a job of sending you to school well dressed, no snot or crust around your nose and eyes, clean hair and clothes. I knew this girl throughout our teenage years who failed to meet any of that (her house and family were horrorcow worthy tbh) and predictably people avoided her for being 'off'. It was okay when we were 11 to 12, not so much when we were all 16 and thinking about college, boyfriends/girlfriends, part time jobs and navigating the teen social hierarchy yet this girl still babbled about Disney movies and (more relevantly) burst into tears at the drop of a hat or pouted and made whiny noises if you asked her too difficult a question. The depth of her interests was nonexistent, her opinions were her 'friends' opinions. Absolutely no will of her own if you tried to prompt her alone with no one to hide behind, always looked a bit away with the fairies. Almost a bit sexless, with none of this hideous sassy gay bitch behaviour you get from a male human trying imitate teenage girls

tl;dr: I personally perceive him as a child housed in a frankenstein body that is now old enough to be LEGAL (and they're gonna damn well exploit it).

I wonder how he's going to attend Harvard now since they closed their campuses due to the coronavirus? It might even be easier for the family to bullshit something if all classes are online indefinitely.

 

[Muttnik]

Not gonna entertain a hypothetical that requires a ton of reaching, but based on what I've seen of Jazz from this show he really comes across as a huge child, a very, very strange one. I keep thinking he's about 13 or 14 and only recently put on blockers, then realizing he's a legal adult now. It's bizarre, I'm literally watching a stunted little child-mind stumbling around in a tubby body that was carved up and augmented to resemble an adult human female, really chills the blood if I think about it for too long.

As infantile as he is, Jazz doesn't even flag as "bratty little girl" or "bratty little boy" to me but that's because I don't remember children acting very "gendered", when kids are being shitty no matter what they are, if you ignore little Jimmy crying over a broken toy truck or Stacy who wants expensive ballet lessons, they're all just children crying out for attention to fulfill a need. As we get older, we grow out of that shit and learn how to tend to ourselves and pick up other behaviors to be more socially acceptable (which yeah depends on your gender) but Jazz is still at the stage of demanding things and crying when refused, he just has additional instructions to shake his fake tits around and grow long hair because mommy told him "that's what girls do and YOU are one!"
Boys and girls still behave a little differently as kids but his mum scrubbed him of any natural behaviors he might've displayed so I can't perceive anything more and his 'femininity' as a young adult is extremely performative.

Spoiler: PL about a stunted classmate

I had a female classmate nobody liked for being 'weird' in a way I can only describe as being five years younger than the rest of us. When you're a little kid and you're maybe six, seven years old your parents are supposed to good a job of sending you to school well dressed, no snot or crust around your nose and eyes, clean hair and clothes. I knew this girl throughout our teenage years who failed to meet any of that (her house and family were horrorcow worthy tbh) and predictably people avoided her for being 'off'. It was okay when we were 11 to 12, not so much when we were all 16 and thinking about college, boyfriends/girlfriends, part time jobs and navigating the teen social hierarchy yet this girl still babbled about Disney movies and (more relevantly) burst into tears at the drop of a hat or pouted and made whiny noises if you asked her too difficult a question. The depth of her interests was nonexistent, her opinions were her 'friends' opinions. Absolutely no will of her own if you tried to prompt her alone with no one to hide behind, always looked a bit away with the fairies. Almost a bit sexless, with none of this hideous sassy gay bitch behaviour you get from a male human trying imitate teenage girls

tl;dr: I personally perceive him as a child housed in a frankenstein body that is now old enough to be LEGAL (and they're gonna damn well exploit it).

I wonder how he's going to attend Harvard now since they closed their campuses due to the coronavirus? It might even be easier for the family to bullshit something if all classes are online indefinitely.

That's a very good point and I agree. Jazz comes off as sexless and genderless when I really think about it. I perceive him as male because he looks and sounds and IS a prepubescent male regardless of what Jeanette says or does. But he doesn't really have any distinct gender characteristics to distinguish him the way kids do once they go through puberty. He has the generic child thing going on without much gendered personality. In a way, he's a true example of that non-binary bullshit that tumblr likes to yack about all the time.

 

[Lost send help]

Weren’t castrati of the past meant to have really weird bodies due to being castrated before their voice breaks? It was overly long limbs and they tended to be overweight so maybe that explains how Jazz looks. It's a window into the past that we stopped doing because it's immoral or at least it was immoral to castrate young boys.

In the castrati, the absence of testosterone available for conversion to estrogenic steroids allowed for continued formation of bone at the epiphyseal plate and lengthening of the ribs and the extremities. Normal male secondary sex characteristics failed to appear and there was an absence of hair on the extremities, a lack of facial hair growth, and an absence of a receding hair line and baldness. Their skin was smooth and pale; the pallor might have resulted from a lower hemoglobin level than would have been present in a normal male, secondary to decreased levels of testosterone. There was a tendency toward obesity, rounding of the hips and narrowness of the shoulders, curvature of the spine and gynecomastia. The curvature of the spine was indicative of osteoporosis. As a group, the castrati, because they were deficient in testosterone, would have been at increased risk for this condition. Gynecomastia, or abnormal breast development in a male, occurs in the syndrome of hypogonadism as a result of a relative deficiency of androgen secretion and resulting increases in pituitary hormones, lutenizing hormone (LH), and follicle stimulating hormone (FSH). The excess of these pituitary hormones in a castrated male, or an individual with hypogonadism, leads to an excess in estradiol and an alteration of the estrodiol/testosterone ratio, resulting in gynecomastia. This abnormal breast development and lack of male secondary sex characteristics contributed to instances of sexual ambivalence that were mentioned when young castrati took female roles on the opera stage.

Resource here if anyone wants a read

https://hekint.org/2017/01/30/the-castrati-a-physicians-perspective-part-2/

 

[KiwiFuzz]

So does Jazz have hair on his arms or legs? What do his sideburns look like?

 

[Muttnik]

So does Jazz have hair on his arms or legs? What do his sideburns look like?

I think the blockers and hormones prevented facial hair or body hair of any sort. He has the occasional bit of fuzz atop his upper lip but sometimes male children have that regardless of how old they are. For all of Jazz's increasingly pale unhealthy complexion, he doesn't appear to suffer from acne either.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I think the blockers and hormones prevented facial hair or body hair of any sort. He has the occasional bit of fuzz atop his upper lip but sometimes male children have that regardless of how old they are. For all of Jazz's increasingly pale unhealthy complexion, he doesn't appear to suffer from acne either.

He does have leg hair tho. Jeanette freaked out because he told her he didn't want to shave his legs anymore.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

Genuine question for the audience, and I suppose it's more focused on the lady kiwis: How would you negotiate with Jazz in a social setting?

The various transgirls on the show are each at various stages of 'passing', but mentally and in terms of body language, would you perceive Jazz as "male in disguise" or "Female with terms and conditions"?
I get this is sort of a TERF talking point, and on that end I'm conflicted, because while the reasons Jazz isn't authentically feminine have been thoroughly documented, nothing masculine really jumps out at me either.

If I talked to Jazz I'd probably perceive him as awkward and immature before anything else. I would see him as kind of sexless, like a kid. If I just passed him at the grocery store I'd probably assume he's a weird looking girl.

Edit: I wrote this before reading other people's comments. Very interesting that rather than seeing him as male or female, we all put him in the category "weird kid".

 

[cassandra]

He seems more unhealthy and unstable since his castration. I know he was already chemically castrated but there is a phrase "nature finds a way". Maybe his blocked/stunted testicles were still providing a tiny bit of function. Since his surgery, he has been noticeably paler, has gained a lot of weight and having a lot of temper tantrums , all which are side effects seen in castradi.

 

[najobo]

He seems more unhealthy and unstable since his castration. I know he was already chemically castrated but there is a phrase "nature finds a way". Maybe his blocked/stunted testicles were still providing a tiny bit of function. Since his surgery, he has been noticeably paler, has gained a lot of weight and having a lot of temper tantrums , all which are side effects seen in castradi.

Chronic pain will also fuck you mentally. I mean, how stable would you be, if you had a constantly aching, degrading, leaking, rancid crotch-hole? Now try focusing at work, studying, doing basic tasks... having a reality TV crew follow you around... being filmed while Dr. Mengele Ting rips stitches out of the crater where your penis used to be...

 

[sperginity]

Chronic pain will also fuck you mentally. I mean, how stable would you be, if you had a constantly aching, degrading, leaking, rancid crotch-hole? Now try focusing at work, studying, doing basic tasks... having a reality TV crew follow you around... being filmed while Dr. Mengele Ting rips stitches out of the crater where your penis used to be...

Not only that, but being pressured to pretend that it was the best decision you've ever made, and that if you don't pretend it was a good decision other people's children will kill themselves.

 

[NerdShamer]

Asking because I've been on vacation for an while, exactly what is Jazz bawling about in those commercials?

 

[omori]

Asking because I've been on vacation for an while, exactly what is Jazz bawling about in those commercials?

Honestly? Literally everything.

 

[NerdShamer]

Honestly? Literally everything.

Not surprised.

 

[Muttnik]

Asking because I've been on vacation for an while, exactly what is Jazz bawling about in those commercials?

What isn't he bawling about? Everything gives him stress. People talking to him stresses him out. Chores and normal teen expectations stresses him out. Breathing stresses him out.

Everything stresses him out except for the massive gaping bloody hole down below apparently.

 

[Rabidcolombian]

I know almost no one on KF likes Sargon, but he made a video recently and raised a good point

The majority of the people feeding kids this trans bullshit are activists and activists are NOT the types of people you want encouraging or even being around fucking children. It's flat out disgusting how these people will sacrifice children for this cause all because "If we call 14 year old Bobby a "she" he will kill himself!!!"

So we need to sacrifice freedom of speech, our children AND the truth for this shit? Suicides that you just ASSUME will happen if I call a boy the pronouns he was born with? Fuck off.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Everything stresses him out except for the massive gaping bloody hole down below apparently

It's the opposite. He has to deny how much he regrets srs & hates his life but the stress is still there so instead of complaining about it he subconsciously or not found another way to express his frustration.

 

[KeepHopeAlive]

Jazz is the result of trying to put gasoline in a brand spanking new diesel engine.

It's not designed for the Design.

You could pour it in thru a different delivery system, aka hormones cuz the fuel nozzles are different sizes, but ultimately the engine will die, and this, after causing tremendous damage to the vehicle. I know shit about fuel but when I looked up info about my simplistic, uneducated analogy, I asked How long will a diesel engine run on gasoline? I came across this:


"This means the diesel fuel will prematurely ignite in the diesel engine, which can lead to engine damage. Gasoline contamination can also damage the fuel pump and mess up diesel injectors. This happens because of a drop in lubrication. ... Diesel has enough lubricity to lubricate the fuel pumps and the injectors "

Word ensalada. yada yada yada. Read between the lines. But shit ain't sustainable.

I'm corona-bored between bouts of spring cleaning and inebriation.

Keep calm and carry on.

 

[Muttnik]

I wonder how Jazz is coping with the coronavirus. He can barely cope with NORMAL events, I highly doubt he's taking a major national health crisis all that well. While he is basically a NEET when not being exploited on tv, he runs a serious risk of being in trouble with his surgical complications and hormones/blockers/etc. I imagine he's immune-compromised, which on top of his weight makes a deadly combo.

Stay safe, kiddo.

 

[JohnMc]

I think what is going to happen is Jazzy boy is going to have a massive meltdown that will end with him moving back home to mommy dearest. You know, before we hear of her murdering Mommy Dearest a few years later when they are no longer relevant and society has gone back to openly mocking freakshows like trannies.

This is clearly what Jazz's Mom wants. To come running back to her for protection. It will be interesting to see who snaps and murders their parents first. Jazz or Desmond.

 

[Maxliam]

This is clearly what Jazz's Mom wants. To come running back to her for protection. It will be interesting to see who snaps and murders their parents first. Jazz or Desmond.

Jazz. Jazz all that Jazz is gonna go full Edmund Kemper III on mommy dearest. Bonus points if Jazzy boy shoves her vocal cords into the garbage disposal like our dear Eddie did. Extra bonus points if he livestreams it and then plays "Ding dong the witch is dead" while staring at the camera like a psychotic mess that he most certainly is.