Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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If you work in the US apartment industry and have an account with HDSupply/Wilmar/Home Depot Pro Multifamily, use your powers for good and get your tp ordered right now if you haven't; there's still a ton in stock right now. Love to be able to offer the residents free rolls since I know they aren't finding shit at walmart or wherever.
 

Fucking selfish jackass.

"A Kentucky coronavirus patient has been placed under police guard after refusing to stay under quarantine, the state’s governor has revealed.

The unidentified 53-year-old man from Nelson County recently tested positive at the University of Louisville, but left against medical advice — and also refused to self-isolate at home, Gov. Andy Beshear said at a press conference.

A local judge declared a state of emergency in order to invoke a little-known statute that allows him to force a “self-isolation or quarantine,” the Lexington Herald-Leader reported.

Law enforcement officers are now stationed outside the infected man’s home to make sure he does not leave and spread the potentially deadly virus.

“It’s a step I hoped I’d never have to take, but we can’t allow one person who we know has the virus to refuse to protect their neighbors,” Beshear said at the press conference."

Well hopefully his neighbors take note of this and deal with him at a later time.
 
Their exceptionalism knows no bounds:
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Media: shut down all schools, restaurants, theaters and non essential businesses
Trump: okay
Media: the stocks are going down! Trump is the worst ever! Our economy is failing!
Trump: that’s what happens when you shut down industries
Media: (surprise pikachu face)

And no matter what, with this pandemic, the economy was always going to take a huge hit. Sadly.

I would compare what's happening now in several states to ripping off a band-aid. It's better to do it fast and get it over with than to pull it off slowly and much more painfully. The economy is going to take a hit either way, but we better let the bad times go as quickly as they came.
 
It's ridiculous that entire countries are shutting down over something that's barely any worse than seasonal flu. Most of the people who die from this were on death's door anyway.

Don't believe me? Look at the data from the cruise ship. 705 cases and 7 deaths. No one below the age of 70 died. Many were completely asymptomatic and the majority only had mild flu-like symptoms. That's a fatality rate of less than 1% in a population with a median age of 59 (boomers love cruise ships).

The reason you're seeing higher mortality rates in national figures is because all the asymptomatic and mild cases are going completely undetected. It's a straightforward sample bias.

We're wiping trillions off the stock exchange and being forced into quarantine because some 80-year-old chain smokers might die 18 months prematurely. It's absurd. The economic fallout from the panic is going to be a hundred times worse than this piss-weak virus.
Its more about being worried about spread and not wanting to overwhelm the population/hospitals with batsoup AIDs. Things don't get better considering that there's Chinese people purposely spreading the virus, like that one King Virus guy a few pages back, he spent a fuck ton of time spreading it onto Italy (which is now taking prioritizing who to live/kill) as well as other parts.
If Asian-americans are bitching about 'muh racisms' then they can simply wear a Xinnie the poo-president shirt; its not fucking hard compared to other folks in history.
 
Its more about being worried about spread and not wanting to overwhelm the population/hospitals with batsoup AIDs. Things don't get better considering that there's Chinese people purposely spreading the virus, like that one King Virus guy a few pages back, he spent a fuck ton of time spreading it onto Italy (which is now taking prioritizing who to live/kill) as well as other parts.
If Asian-americans are bitching about 'muh racisms' then they can simply wear a Xinnie the poo-president shirt; its not fucking hard compared to other folks in history.
Got a link to this shit? I'm lazy and can't be bothered going through the whole thread.
 
Yeah, I don't see what the endgame is here. We're most likely going to be dealing with this for the rest of the year.

How long can we realistically extend closures before people start going stir-crazy or service industries start collapsing? People in the US really do not like being inconvenienced.
This is the UK and Sweden’s strategy I think. Lock up the elderly, everyone younger gets it and back to work. It’s pretty risky. I would love to see the modelling they’re working on.
Eh I would bet a dollar that some are sick and others might be calling in sick to avoid getting sick
Yeah for sure. He did say apparently that it’s been going on for a couple of weeks, before the panic
I have a question for fellow Kiwis. Does anyone else think Covid has been circulating in other countries besides China since last year? I do and I'll explain why.
I work in a pharmacy in a supermarket. Been watching the panic grow. I see many cases where patients have the same symptoms as covid since late last year. Two week long upper respiratory infection with symptoms getting worse in second week. Always flu negative. Only reason we are getting the data is due to media coverage and availability of tests today.
We also had a very peculiar one doing the rounds then. Two weeks, worse in second, lots of pneumonia following and the oddest thing was a lot of cardiac issues as well. Just on a personal level I know three women my age or younger who had cardiac events I suspect were triggered by it (one died.) all flu negative. However, that one hit the kids as well - it went through all the schools near us and a load of kids needing Abx for subsequent ear infections and mild pneumonia. It was an odd one though. I guess serological testing will answer us. The genetics done so far doesn’t support spread outside of China for these strains much into last year though. Having said that, the only reason this was picked up and characterised was because people were dropping dead. Our surveillance for new stuff is skewed towards more lethal organisms, something respiratory but not deadly could easily sweep the world and be passed off as a random cold or a bad winter
 
I just got what must be my third new job this year last week at a steakhouse and they had to close because the city it's in...ok Hoboken. Had to close down the bars and nightclubs that don't serve food. The ones that do serve food or really anyplace that serves food can only offer delivery or take out. Even then there's also a curfew on the city. No civilians on the streets from 10 to 5 am except for workers. So yeah I'm not technically out of a job again but still until further notice I'm stuck at home with no cash flow.😱


Note if this needs to be moved to the lockdowns or quarintines thread please do, my apologies I didn't see the other threads at first
 
Nah, sorry.

If anyone thinks a handful of cases would tell you what was on your doorstep then no. China got genuinely blindsided by this virus and even our own health officials after 20 Jan were still saying they didn't believe it was that contagious, didn't believe people could be infectious without symptoms and doubted every worse-case scenario.

Even a week ago - a week ago - our own President was stating it was no worse than the flu and would be gone by April as a threat with no quarantines or actions. We've got thousands of cases and have a government in denial.

China was guilty of silencing critics.

Other than that, they actually told the world what they found when they found it, provided the genome structure and warned the planet. Even the WHO did. No one fucking listened. They still aren't listening.

lol no if anything governments around the world, including the US, believed the lying snakes in China when they said "It's just a flu bro, no problem, we got this" and found out it was a lie when cases showed up in the ICU last month. Because chink factory slave goods were too good to pass up.

How the fuck is the government in denial if they're in fucking shut everything mode? Everything from schools, businesses and bars/restaurants are closed, events are canceled and we trying to figure out how to get hosehold basics like toilet paper, bleach, paper towels and food without getting the chink virus.

And you know, fuck the bat and pangolin eating, sewer oil, melamine and fake food shilling chinks. Fuck you too while I'm at it.
 
lol no if anything governments around the world, including the US, believed the lying snakes in China when they said "It's just a flu bro, no problem, we got this" and found out it was a lie when cases showed up in the ICU last month. Because chink factory slave goods were too good to pass up.

How the fuck is the government in denial if they're in fucking shut everything mode? Everything from schools, businesses and bars/restaurants are closed, events are canceled and we trying to figure out how to get hosehold basics like toilet paper, bleach, paper towels and food without getting the chink virus.

And you know, fuck the bat and pangolin eating, sewer oil, melamine and fake food shilling chinks. Fuck you too while I'm at it.

The Chinese are the jews of Asia. If anything benefits them, they will do it no matter the cost to themselves or others.
 
Just to clarify on the July/August comment Trump made.

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It's hard to answer when things will "go back to normal" and we can all go on our merry way back to the schools, and bars, and businesses running again, not just because of the unpredictable nature of outbreaks, but because there won't be a day where we wake up and the virus is squashed magically. Getting back to "normal" will be a slow titration back up accompanied by slowing of cases, it will be a process and not a proclamation. It's impractical to wait for it to hit zero, as that could take a very very long time until a vaccine. It is good enough when cases have slowed to a few dozen here and there, the majority of cases are no worse than a cold or flu, and the healthcare system can handle the amount of more severe cases. In other words, where China is right now.

They are slowly opening their factories again, and gradually the restrictions on Hubei are being lifted. That took about one month post peak and two months since the lockdown. For us, given that all of the drastic measures we're taking now will not show as a flattening until late Mar/early April if effective due to the incubation period, that would probably put the first signs of "normalcy" at early May-mid May-ish. To put this into perspective, we are where China was in late Jan. One buisness resuming normal operations in a less affected area here, to a rescheduled event with a new date there. International travel restrictions I feel will be the last to go, that's not until August. Schools probably won't open until September, as it was late in the year anyways. The Olympics is far enough down the line to be spared, but it may have to make due with modified procedures.

Even when things resume, they will resume with extra precautions- hand santizer, maybe attendence caps, mandatory screening for temperature, declarations that you do not have symptoms etc, as to prevent a second wave like China is doing now. If we take it on the chin now and for a few weeks learn to live without some fun stuff, then we can begin working our way back to normalcy in a month or two. By contrast if we just don't give a shit, then there's the risk of no option but this thing running amok until everything collapses and there will never be any hope of normalcy again. Everyone being stuck at home doors welded shut in some places won't last forever.
 
I think I might have the most out of touch Coronavirus measure. As of yesterday, my company has instated casual dress code for the office for rest of the week!! Sure you might catch coronavirus, but you can wear jeans while you're doing it!

The company is full of old people who have been traveling all around the country up until last week..
 
We were betting on whether divorce rates or birthrates would skyrocket and it looks like divorce might win


Why would you marry someone you hate to be around?

Dow Jones dropped almost 3,000 points in one day, closing just above 20,000.


And this is WITH the emergency measures by the Fed.

The Fed measures likely helped make the drop so bad.

Why? The Spanish Flu with it’s insane death tolls led into the roaring twenties.

Because he really, really wants it to be, since daddy Trump hasn't been killing us colored folk.

Between October and January Italy had 240 people die of the flu. latest update for COVID-19 is 349 deaths a day. I think you're underselling this a tad.

You're arguing with an obvious sock.
 
This is the UK and Sweden’s strategy I think. Lock up the elderly, everyone younger gets it and back to work. It’s pretty risky. I would love to see the modelling they’re working on.

Well the impressive sounding letter of 922 scientists calling the UK's responce woeful... didn't include any disease or pathology specialists. Because apparently they've all been working for .gov.uk. However, modelling is due to be out at some point.

Fact is, they know people wouldn't follow being cooped up for four months or more. People just do not like having options taken away from them. I'm pretty happy bumbling around my home reading, watching stuff or whatever, but I've tried not going out for a full week several times and I legit hate it. Even not popping out to the shops or a brief wander about will drive people mad, then they'll look at the figures, or better yet, look up where most of the worst cases are located and either go back out, or send the kids out.
 
Its more about being worried about spread and not wanting to overwhelm the population/hospitals with batsoup AIDs. Things don't get better considering that there's Chinese people purposely spreading the virus, like that one King Virus guy a few pages back, he spent a fuck ton of time spreading it onto Italy (which is now taking prioritizing who to live/kill) as well as other parts.
The small segment of people who are actually vulnerable to this should self-quarantine and everyone else should go back to normal. The hospitals won't get overwhelmed and more lives will be saved in the long-run because herd immunity will help protect the old and infirm.

This is the optimal policy.
 
So how would it be still considered as "Made in Italy"? Is there a fashion/clothing industry equivalent to buying tomatoes grown in China and canning them in Italy and calling them "made in Italy"?
Olive oil. It usually comes from Spain, Morocco and Algeria but gets slapped with a made in Italy label when it's bottled there. I buy California Olive Ranch for this reason.
The Chinese are the Trump's Chosen People of Asia. If anything benefits them, they will do it no matter the cost to themselves or others.
He's said China is a threat and it was stupid to close our factories and outsource everything there. Ivanka and Jared are his chosen.
 
It's ridiculous that entire countries are shutting down over something that's barely any worse than seasonal flu. Most of the people who die from this were on death's door anyway.

Don't believe me? Look at the data from the cruise ship. 705 cases and 7 deaths. No one below the age of 70 died. Many were completely asymptomatic and the majority only had mild flu-like symptoms. That's a fatality rate of less than 1% in a population with a median age of 59 (boomers love cruise ships).

The reason you're seeing higher mortality rates in national figures is because all the asymptomatic and mild cases are going completely undetected. It's a straightforward sample bias.

We're wiping trillions off the stock exchange and being forced into quarantine because some 80-year-old chain smokers might die 18 months prematurely. It's absurd. The economic fallout from the panic is going to be a hundred times worse than this piss-weak virus.
Really the US government would have done better to just do a 2 billion dollar partnership with Amazon, to delver daily essentials to anyone over 60. Hell, they could just airdrop packages to anyone currently on social security.

I get the concerns of straining the healthcare system, but the aggressive quarantining, social distancing, and panic have hurt the economy to the point it may trigger a systemic financial crisis like in ' 08.

On the plus side, in trying to keep the boomers alive and destroying the stock market, its going to give young opportunity to be able to buy after a crash, while the old have to deal with their stock portfolios tanking.
 
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