Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[No_one]

Germany is thinking about using the cooks and waiters (who currently have nothing to do) to pick asparagus and rhubarb, as seasonal workers can't come due to border restrictions. Link, archive.

Will they turn refugee centers into labor camps and make them sew facemasks next?

 

[Male Idiot]

Koronavírus: Fantasztikus sikert értek el magyar kutatók

50 megbetegedés volt eddig Magyarországon, de ez megtöbbszöröződhet a következő napokban.

m.origo.hu

"Fantastic success."

Yeah I think they are saying that they isolated the virus and it will soon be available for international researchers and vaccine makers.

Has it not been isolated before? Sounds like they left off "in Hungary" from the end of the sentence. Or did they isolate it better?

Also cancer patients will not be booted out of ICU , they reassure us.

 

[Beavis]

If you didn't prepare it's time to get creative. For example a little Caesars hot n ready pepperoni pizza is $5 and has 2200 calories. Most people could eat 3/4 of it and get their daily caloric needs. Fast food is still open. you can eat two baconators a day and get your daily calorie requirements for under $10. Mix in a protein drink and a multivitamin and you're golden. This is dark times people!

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Koronavírus: Fantasztikus sikert értek el magyar kutatók

50 megbetegedés volt eddig Magyarországon, de ez megtöbbszöröződhet a következő napokban.

m.origo.hu

"Fantastic success."

Yeah I think they are saying that they isolated the virus and it will soon be available for international researchers and vaccine makers.

Has it not been isolated before? Sounds like they left off "in Hungary" from the end of the sentence. Or did they isolate it better?

Also cancer patients will not be booted out of ICU , they reassure us.

The spanish national center for biotech investigation did it like a month or so ago, and the Israely must have if they've been testing vaccines. I'm fairly sure most countries have actually. So I have no fucking clue wtf they're talking about.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

French government raport leaked via Gallia Daily
source: https://archive.vn/k3l5t

Some highlights;

The entire government is informed on the fact that the epidemic is going to hit France so ultra-violent, visibly much more strong than in Italy or in China.
The EU seems impossible to save for many officials.
The French economy seems impossible to relaunch without the intervention of the State and, therefore, without an exit from the Euro

Spoiler: Machine-translated

Confidential information about the crisis in France
T.me/GalliaDaily•March 16, 2020

Minutes of several meetings at the head of the French State.


Summary / TL;DR
> There will be a before and an after. The future of the country is in the process of play.

• • The health crisis is going to be violent, much more so than in other european countries because France has been slow to put in place the appropriate measures.
• • However, the health crisis will be fairly easily contained term, with a peak reached prior to the month of June normally.
• • What worries much more is the government and the official services is rather the risk of "dissolution of the Republic" in the long term, that is to say, that this crisis be a catalyst that would fit all political errors, an accelerator, exacerbating tensions in a decisive way.
• • In other words, the risk is that the State will lose control during the crisis and managed never to resume it later.
• • For example, the urban containment was to be announced Friday, march 13, but was pushed back a couple of times, using the excuse of election, because the government does not have the means to apply the containment throughout the territory. It will be announced on Monday evening (march 16).
• • The use of the army is planned in the territory by a transformation of the VIGIPIRATE plan, which is a tip of constitutional law to avoid having to activate the article 13. The army should be primarily used in hospitals and logistics centers, in order to associate the army with an image of "protection" rather than of repression.
• •However, the lack of loyalty of the army (or rather its lack of voluntarism), is a concern of the government, concerned about not having the means to apply its policy on a large scale.
• • The potentiality of secession slow of some urban and rural areas, is viewed with great seriousness. This is on a process of medium-term, starting now but taking effect about ten years ago.
• • Economically, the situation is extremely critical, with destruction of jobs and wealth which will put France in a situation dangling for at least 5 to 10 years. Or even permanently.
• •In the very short term, the fear of the government is the possibility of a bank failure or a "bank run".
• •A controlled destruction in the short or medium term of the euro area is considered non-final, in order to limit damages and to give a margin of manoeuvre more important to the State to pursue a policy of recovery after the crisis.
• • The EU seems impossible to save for many officials.
• •Overall, the parliamentary evoke cynically that the only way for France to keep its "place" in the concert of nations, would be to hope that the crisis is even more violence elsewhere. In other words, France is no longer can be saved, but it may be in a situation "less worse" than the other.

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SUMMARY
> Summary
> I) the feeling of The government on the crisis
> II) the implementation of The containment
> III) The risk of "separation"
> IV) The terrorism of opportunity
> V) The place of the army
> VI) The crime
> (VII) The economy
> Conclusion
> Legal Note, sources and contact

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(I) the feeling of The government on the crisis

• • the government is aware of having lost a precious time, about 7 to 10 days, in the implementation of measures to combat the epidemic.
• • because of this delay, the entire government is informed on the fact that the epidemic is going to hit France so ultra-violent, visibly much more strong than in Italy or in China.
• •there is a huge blur about the number of victims expected. The more optimistic are talking of about 30,000 infected. The most pessimistic argue that this figure has been reached, there are more than a week, and that in the future France should be aware of between 90,000 to 300,000 cases. A voice marginally speaks about a contamination of up to several million, between 20% to 40% of the French population.
• • the government is aware that the lethality of the virus will increase as the hospitals will be overloaded. The 5% rate of lethality given corresponds to an average calculated by taking into account the appropriate treatment. In case of engorgement is complete, the lethality could easily reach 30%.
• • the government questions already on whether or not to publish a circular to guide the medical teams" to help "to better identify the priority cases". They have mentioned the criteria "italians". It is a question of whether the doctors should have instructions to give priority to the sick, "sauvables" ignoring the sick "doomed" (too old, too ill, whose chances of survival are low even in the case of support).
• • the government is conscious that this last measure, although it would be effective in the long term, it would be impossible to take on politically, or even legally. It was therefore decided for the moment to leave it "to the discretion of physicians", which the government hopes that they will take their own measures without orders, without liability to the government so...
• •the containment of Paris and 17 other cities in france was initially intended to be declared as soon as Friday evening. Finally pushed back to Saturday. And now Monday night.
• •Monday night, the capital and the larger cities of France should enter in total containment. Information confirmed by leaks from an exchange of mails between two doctors of the AP-HP.
• • the question of whether the containment should be extended to the rest of the country directly has not been decided.
• •However, the containment will be well extended to the rest of the country at one time or another. The only question is if this must take place by gradual stages. Or directly.

II) Implementation of the containment :

• • the implementation of a total containment of the French territory, has, therefore, been discussed. It would be primarily to the closure of cities, lines, road and rail, to the termination of services of transport non-vital, of the judgment of the logistics non-vital.
• • as, for example, the postal services would continue their work of delivering the mail, but not parcels. Independent services such as Fed-Ex or Global Relay would be them hanging.
• • a "part of public services would be maintained". It is not clear which, nor what the term means.
• •Almost all economic activities would be suspended, with the exception of supermarkets, drive, veterinary clinics and a few other exceptions (ex: stores are allowed to stay open, but to not let that the customers are there to buy gas or food for their animals).

(III) The risk of "separation"

• • interesting quote "it is important that the French feel that the State is always there. And, therefore, a State arises. Otherwise, it is the implosion. We will return to tribalism, people will organize themselves on the criteria of hate and violence. And once the health crisis has passed, let's face it, the country will be irreconcilable. In some ways this is the future of the country that we are in the process of putting in the game."(Uttered by a minister of State, it is impossible to specify which one without running the risk of defamation).
• •it was explicitly mentioned the risk of some suburbs refuse sanitary measures. Or rather to make them inapplicable.
• • The risk of "secession" as such, seems to be very low in the short term.
• •However, the authorities are afraid of urban violence and scenes of looting that would make the inevitable operations of police weapon (as heard, a punishment more intense than usual).
• •the main fear being that a punishment is too fierce attiserait the blaze. While the absence of law enforcement would contribute to the enclaver the territories concerned, because the care services would not be able to get there.
• • beside this risk of "separation" of "neighborhoods", it has also been mentioned the risk that in rural areas start to work de facto without the State.
• • this is clearly the scenario feared by most authorities. As villages and small towns organize themselves "in competition with the state's legitimate".
• • the case of the hunters "often adherents of survivalism and a number of ideas of the extreme right"it has been mentioned.
• • it has been suggested that the assumption of disarming a party of hunters in a preventive way. A general officer of the gendarmerie, explained that such a measure would require a minimum of 2 months, while having a limited efficiency (approximately 20% of seizures are effective), and all contributing to create a divorce between the State of the rural population.
• • a general officer of the army has referred to the idea to include hunters in the device of the emergency, temporarily, citing the example of the "SAS" during the Algerian war. That is to say of citizens that had been armed to enable them to protect their villages. Therefore, a kind of militia the citizen with missions of policing.
• • the gendarmerie officer said that "the problem was not to have hunters armed"but rather that the problem would come "when it will be necessary to disarm". As heard : the functions that will be assigned to the hunters, they will not be able to remove them later.
• • the debate was closed without really making the decision or of the "districts" or "rural areas".
• • grosso modo the government has recognised that, whatever its provisions, there would be disorders and to make choices. Especially in the long term.

(IV) The terrorism of opportunity

• • it has been suggested that the hypothesis according to which terrorists could use these events to hit, and try to create a chain reaction
• •according to the response of the representatives of the intelligence service within the French, it is very unlikely.
• •they note, however, that the trade WhatsApp that they are watching are actually very agitated. The islamists are looking forward to a divine punishment. The political extremists will be looking forward to a "crisis that will bring down the system".
• •but obviously, there is no real risk of terrorism in the traditional sense, such a situation is not conducive to the organization of cells as such.
• • the sub-director of one of the services of the PN note, however, that if the containment measures strict are taken, the part-time unemployment that will result from it will lead the monitoring services of the ISB was to be the first to be affected, compromising, therefore, the capacity of monitoring of the plugged-S.
• •comment from a member of parliament : "why should we monitor if they have no risk ?"
• •response dry to the deputy director : "how can we know that they do not pose any risk if we don't monitor?"
• •the parliamentarians note to finish that the means of police maintained must be used on a priority basis, to public-order measures. Not in an anti-gang or anti-terrorist.
• •the deputy director explained that the real threat is much a threat to long-term, with the risk of extremist religious or political capture of important ways during the crisis, means that they will be able to use later.

(V) The place of the army.

• •The staff of the Third Division had to work on a report to prepare for a possible use of the military in a modified copy of the Vigipirate plan.
• •No information on the First Division, but they probably have similar requirements.
• •The division is the level that is most important of the French armies. A division consists of several brigades, each brigade consists of several regiments. And each regiment consists of several companies autonomous. A division, therefore, represents several tens of thousands of soldiers.
• •Except in time of war, a division is assumed to be an administrative unit and not a military unit really organized. Parliamentarians have questioned the officers present on the viability of the device professional army (which generally allows for joint exercises between the brigades specialized).
• •The general officer interviewed wants to be reassuring, explaining that as long as it is mission elementary non-combatants, the units can work together, the challenge is primarily logistics. It raised the possibility of paying a part of the reservists volunteers within GSBdD (antennas logistics of the AdT).
• • a member has asked what are the means of NRBC of the French armies. Answer : "We are not prepared for a case such as the one we live in. The committed are formed briefly during their initial training to emergency measures and to the use of the Q3F, mainly in the face of the nuclear threat. Ditto for our regiment specialized the 2nd RD, which has focused almost exclusively on the threats related to gas."
• •a parliamentary questions whether the army is capable of anything other than surveillance missions, distribution, and maintenance of order. He asked specifically if the army could be used for the decontamination or medical measures.
• •Answer : "with the exception of the SSA, in the current state it is very difficult to imagine mobilizing units for anything other than maintaining order, not". Translation : the clinics of the army can be mobilized, but the majority of the regiments can only be effective for the maintenance of order elemental.
• •the Vigipirate plan is again summoned as an example. The debate joined legal and constitutional to know if it is possible to use the army without having recourse to article 13. The question is not clear, but the speech is to avoid triggering a panic in activating prematurely an article that "may "tense up the population."
• •the use of the army would occur in a progressive manner. First around hospitals to protect the "stocks" (not precision, referring to the stocks of masks, the victims of theft ?), and also to associate the mission of the military to that of physicians, and therefore to the missions of "protection" rather than "suppression".
• •a question is asked on the "morale of the troops". The answer comes from a lieutenant colonel, who makes a parallel with a situation of civil war to explain that it is very difficult to engage when the threat is over the national territory, because the soldiers think first of all to protect their families, directly threatened.
• •He concluded by explaining that "as long as the State cannot guarantee the privileged protection of 140,000 military families, the State could not hope to obtain the willingness of these 140.000 military".
• • The subject is not discussed in more details, but this suggests that the army is not ready to be mobilized, the military being "not wanting to go monitor the roads with 800 km of their families, all as affected as the other".
• •The loyalty of the army and his obedience, therefore, is not questioned directly. His legalism seems not to be reached. But its technical capacity and legal mobilisation seems limited.

(VI) The crime.

• •the question is addressed of whether crime will increase in the event of containment.
• • a commissioner of the PN auditioned explains that it is probably the reverse will occur. Crime in general will decrease.
• •on the other hand he explains that the violence of the "crime residual" will be improved. In other words, crimes are less numerous but much more violent.
• •he evokes, for example, points deals almost deserts in the large crown of paris. But at the same time the number of searches on the internet that increase for weapons. Particularly on the Deep web. It does not specify the public concerned (real criminals eager to pass the act, or people simply concerned about?)
• •he concluded by explaining that the quiet will greatly depend on the ability of the State to maintain the water supply, but above all, in electricity. He speaks of catharsis, explaining that this is violence "in the screen"that France will avoid the violence,"in the street". Of the about fairly obscure which one can interpret as being a call to numb the population by the entertainment, television and/or computer science.
• •the topic of sexual violence and addressed in a few seconds, a pithy answer "it is obvious" to the question "are they going to increase?".

VI) Economy

• • a heated discussion took place between parliamentarians and members of the EESC. two visions clash : should we reduce the containment in order to save the economy ? Should we instead just focus on the population even if it means sacrificing business ? Should I find a between the two, promising a year white to the firms using a total containment ? Debate without end.
• •a member of the EESC asks what is the reality of the virus, its effects, if it will present a risk for a long time, if we'll see "soon the end of the tunnel" ? Another responds dryly that "it is not even yet entered the tunnel...". Big white in the room.
• •A member of parliament, launched the subject of the Euro, someone asks if it is true that members of the european parliament to discuss a "plan of controlled destruction" of the Euro zone. The subject is evaded. But clearly the largest part of the participants are not able to find any way to reconcile the Euro with a national policy to fight against the virus that is effective without sacrificing neither the population nor the State nor the companies. It is either the Euro or one of the other three. The State may not consider a recovery policy in maintaining the euro as a single currency.
• •the possibility of a recession is addressed. A parliamentarian explains that "she does not come, it is already there".
• •a member of the EESC says that the economic crisis triggered by the health crisis will require "rethinking our economic model" and in particular "the place gargantuan and irrational left to the tertiary sector, the sector is unproductive and parasitic of which the resilience is nearly zero".
• •a parliamentary interrupts him to make him understand that this is not the time to address the subject matter. The member of the EESC argues that the real issues are long-term challenges. And that this is the future of France that is being played.
• •the assumption of a bank failure (a bank run) is dealt with seriously, but without details. It seems likely. The question is to partially block access to accounts via the internet to limit the banking movements as well as lowering the ceilings of withdrawals from DAB to avoid a panic of investors.
• •unemployment is mentioned by a member of the EESC considers that the current crisis will destroy a loan of 800,000 jobs in 5 years, well after the end of the epidemic. It does not cite its method of calculation, but no one contradicts or does not seem surprised.
• •the French economy seems impossible to relaunch without the intervention of the State and, therefore, without an exit from the Euro, which is again denounced by some. The subject is again alluded to.
• •a question is asked on the strength and resistance of the "digital economy". A first member of the EESC meets tongue-in-cheek that "the digital is built on sand", another picks it up, stating that "the digital only works with physical flows, now these flows have stopped, Amazon or Rakuten have beautiful receive orders, they will not be able to deliver on the country is confined". Summary : the e-commerce sites have over-performed at the beginning of the crisis, but will quickly find no opportunities of sale to sell their consumer goods.

CONCLUSION

• •The French State is aware that the health crisis will be difficult. Where the pending announcement of the containment of a part of the country, then the use of the army, first to insure protection missions.
• •But the State fears mainly the consequences of political, economic and social epidemic. The long-term.
• •The idea that recurs most often is that "the State must hold good" ; because the government was aware that the control that he will lose during this crisis, he will lose it permanently or even permanently. Even long after the epidemic. Somehow, it is the credibility and the authority of the State is at stake, for the future.
• •this crisis is referred to by some as a "black swan", a "zero point", a "beginning" or as "the'epilogue of the short Twenty-first century began in 2001 and ended less than 20 years later". It all depends on the views and political persuasion.
• •But overall, there's a real awareness by the State of the historic episode that is now playing for the country, with the cleavages and the dynamics of the long-term that will arise in the next few weeks.

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[los pepes]

If you didn't prepare it's time to get creative. For example a little Caesars hot n ready pepperoni pizza is $5 and has 2200 calories. Most people could eat 3/4 of it and get their daily caloric needs. Fast food is still open. you can eat two baconators a day and get your daily calorie requirements for under $10. Mix in a protein drink and a multivitamin and you're golden. This is dark times people!

And hope every one of the 3-4 minimum wage zoomers that touched at least some part of the ingredients on your order washed their hands for 20 seconds every time they used the bathroom or wiped their face or touched one of their friends.

If there is one thing young people are noted for, it's fastidious diligence and responsible behavior.

 

[Shaved Kiwis]

Police nationwide ask criminals to halt activity during coronavirus outbreak

Several police departments across the country are asking criminals in tongue-in-cheek social media posts to stop illegal activity during the coronavirus pandemic.

thehill.com

Popos across the nation are imploring criminals to work from home temporarily stop committing crimes on account of the super plague.

 

[Beavis]

And hope every one of the 3-4 minimum wage zoomers that touched at least some part of the ingredients on your order washed their hands for 20 seconds every time they used the bathroom or wiped their face or touched one of their friends.

If there is one thing young people are noted for, it's fastidious diligence and responsible behavior.

Pray the heat killed anything on the food.

 

[Malodorous Merkin]

Iran is a shitshow.

Roughly nine out of 10 of the over 17,000 cases of the new virus confirmed across the Middle East come from Iran, where authorities denied for days the risk the outbreak posed. Officials have now implemented new checks for people trying to leave major cities ahead of Nowruz, the Persian New Year, on Friday, but have hesitated to quarantine the areas.

Late on Monday night, angry crowds stormed into the courtyards of Mashhad's Imam Reza shrine and Qom's Fatima Masumeh shrine. Crowds typically pray there 24 hours a day, seven days a week, touching and kissing the shrine. That's worried health officials, who for weeks ordered Iran's Shiite clergy to close them.

Earlier on Monday, the state TV had announced the shrines' closure, sparking the demonstrations.

“We are here to say that Tehran is damn wrong to do that!” one Shiite cleric shouted at the shrine in Mashhad, according to online video. Others joined him in chanting: “The health minister is damn wrong to do that, the president is damn wrong to do that!”

 

[CeleryStalks]

Popos across the nation are imploring criminals to work from home temporarily stop committing crimes on account of the super plague.

Well, the police aren't working etiher, so it will all even out.

"Michigan police not physically responding to some calls in order to avoid coronavirus spread"

"Lansing Police Chief Daryl Green in a March 12 “coronavirus exposure mitigation” memo said his officers, “until further notice,” won’t respond in person to reports of larceny; property destruction; retail fraud, if a suspect isn’t known or the value of the theft is under $1,000; attempted break-ins or break-ins at unoccupied buildings, including garages or vacant homes;" [it goes on...]

Mlive (archive)

(Also, can someone please tell a newfag how to embed news articles?)

 

[Not Really Here]

(Also, can someone please tell a newfag how to embed news articles?)

We don't do that anymore because the boss says it fucks up his SEO, Just link and archive and screenshots are fine.

 

[AtomicAgeBoy]

Dont know if someone got before me but imma give updates on Finland anyway.

47 new infections today (can't know true ammount due to testing criteria), 319 in total. One more person in emergency care, a person of retirement age.

 

[CeleryStalks]

I meant those little rectangles that look like quote boxes. How do those work?

 

[simulated goat]

After the UK government announcement yesterday my company told everyone to work from home overnight. Me being an idiot who didn't think to check work emails last night came in to an empty office today and now have to drag my ass across town back home.
b
Also had a mild sore throat last few days and now getting a dry cough. Pray for me frens.

I'm sorry to hear that. This is all happening so fast stuff is going thru the cracks. I might have fucked up my finals because I missed an addendum at the bottom of some homework that we would do the test over zoom at some ungodly time in the morning yesterday. So I get up at my normal time and discover I missed the fucker. I filled in the answers and sent it anyway, I doubt they'll flunk me, but I'm a little salty.

Went out for the last supplies: another case of catfood and a shitton of stuff for my garden. I am actually surprised. Maybe it's the local scandinavian reserve, but we are within about a 100-120 mile distance from Seattle, shelves are not bare at all, they're patchy, and some weird shit gone like heavy cream (guess I gotta make do with whipping cream for my shrimp alfredo pasta). But there'splenty in the stores. No small bottles of vodka, no big bottles of rum... it's weird but doable, not like the empty stores in places people are bragging the virus will never reach. I got everything I needed and the local pot store assured me that they planned to stay open, so I'm good.

tl/dr: the people who are stripping shelves are overreacting, pot is gonna stick around and I will be a shitposting maniac because I have nothing else to do for a week or two.

 

[Shaved Kiwis]

Well, the police aren't working etiher, so it will all even out.

"Michigan police not physically responding to some calls in order to avoid coronavirus spread"

"Lansing Police Chief Daryl Green in a March 12 “coronavirus exposure mitigation” memo said his officers, “until further notice,” won’t respond in person to reports of larceny; property destruction; retail fraud, if a suspect isn’t known or the value of the theft is under $1,000; attempted break-ins or break-ins at unoccupied buildings, including garages or vacant homes;" [it goes on...]

Mlive (archive)

(Also, can someone please tell a newfag how to embed news articles?)

Dang it, how am I supposed to take advantage of this to commit retail fraud when all the stores are closed?

 

[Rei is shit]

Trump just on TV, saying we're all getting a check of approx $1K. Soonly.

Holy shit, I cant wait to sell my stockpile of IMOs and model ms/alps trash for $500 a piece. Thanks based orange man!

 

[Not Really Here]

I meant those little rectangles that look like quote boxes. How do those work?

Just link, it should unfurl automatically.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Welp I'm 100% sure I have the flu. No not one of the billion chinese ones. Just the good ol' flu. But my coworkers are going to freak out tomorrow and the doctor is going to treat me like I have the corona virus.

 

[Overly Serious]

So what's going on with Iran, anyhow? Weren't there lots of protests going on before Coronachan decided to show her blessings upon the country of shrine lickers?

Iran has suffered through years of US-enforced sanctions which have reduced its economy to a trickle and given it years of inability to purchase medicines and healthcare equipment. So they're drastically unprepared for this. Plus unlike Western Europeans, Iranians actually associate with their families rather than move away and spend weekends at home playing video-games, so they're very vulnerable as a population. I hope the whole "herd immunity" thing works because right now it's probably the only thing they have in their corner after years of us isolating them for international trade and partnerships.

I'm hearing more people buy guns, but should I also get one? I see it being a realistic scenario for CA, anyone in those gangster places, or towns that are near prisons. To be honest, I don't want to buy one because of personal competence reasons, I don't think I can handle it; but there's an old saying of "the man with the last bullet in a gunfight wins" too. I already noted which one to buy a few hundred pages back.

Up to you. But if you've no real expertise with one, I'd say get one but plan not to use it. I.e. you can brandish it at someone threatening you, you can fire it into the air to warn off trespassers, if it's a shotgun you can do that menacing pump-action sound that scares people. But actually using it for anything other than an absolute last result is probably a bad idea. Also, if you have kids around for God's sake lock that thing away securely or put the terror into them of even thinking about playing with it.

 

[Fatrick Hamlinson]

Trump just on TV, saying we're all getting a check of approx $1K. Soonly.

$327,000,000,000 roughly.

From which taxpayer-funded initiative did this originate?