Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[cuddle striker]

OK I am going to go ahead and say what no politician or decent person is going to vocalize. But I have little to lose, even if fully dosed, so whatever. So grit your teeth. And Don't shoot the messanger.

Truth be told, there is little sense in bickering about stimulus packages or about what it means to be American vs. Communist ... The reasoning behind these lockdown measures is to slow down an inevitable die-off. So as it stands, it looks like 2/100 + tests die. If even 1 out of 1000 people who are exposed to this COVID virus succumb, we are still in big trouble.

Let's just look at LA County. Crunch the numbers. estimated population= 10,118,759
Ok test the entire population by some magic plastic wand .... 10,118,759 will ultimately test positive if we allow nature to unabashedly take its course. After all we are talking about airborne infectious disease.

So if 1/1000 succumbs, then we have 10,118 deaths in LA County, alone. And a lot will be in-between ... with proper care, they will survive.

So do we let all hell break loose and allow kids to pick this virus up at the schools and daycares, and young people to go to crowded venues, and let the disease spread like wildfire?

Only if you have the hospitals and mortuary services to host about 15,000 deceased and could-have been deceased, in the next 8 weeks.

In the next couple of years, barring some miracle, we will see around 10,000 deaths in LA County. And in your jurisdictions, the ratios will be similar.

So the purpose for spreading out the infection rate is to slow down the die-off, and to have the resources to save lives that can be saved.

So as I see it, once thie peak of this general die-off has passed, things will get back to normal, so as far as "helping people out" and throwing out life-preservers, it is in government's interest to target people who will survive this and make it economically easier on them to do so.

Nobody said it, but I think that this is the subtext.

remember that the homeless go everywhere. everywhere.

the "help" are necessary as well.

this is definitely the thinking behind the current bill, but simply getting every living person indoors right fucking now would solve it.

house the homeless. rent and mortgage moratorium. toss cash to every person so they can get inside and stay the fuck inside.

that's it.

that's suppression. people who are comfortable now who "might survive"? they're the second wave of deaths, if we don't.

I'm not saying this should be a permanent state, but we need more time. it'll buy time.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

remember that the homeless go everywhere. everywhere.

the "help" are necessary as well.

this is definitely the thinking behind the current bill, but simply getting every living person indoors right fucking now would solve it.

house the homeless. rent and mortgage moratorium. toss cash to every person so they can get inside and stay the fuck inside.

that's it.

that's suppression. people who are comfortable now who "might survive"? they're the second wave of deaths, if we don't.

I'm not saying this should be a permanent state, but we need more time. it'll buy time.

You're assuming homeless people would give two fucks and stay inside, unless you're planning to bring back actual mental health facilities where they can be held against their will they wont stay put.

 

[Non-Expert!]

remember that the homeless go everywhere. everywhere.

the "help" are necessary as well.

this is definitely the thinking behind the current bill, but simply getting every living person indoors right fucking now would solve it.

house the homeless. rent and mortgage moratorium. toss cash to every person so they can get inside and stay the fuck inside.

that's it.

that's suppression. people who are comfortable now who "might survive"? they're the second wave of deaths, if we don't.

I'm not saying this should be a permanent state, but we need more time. it'll buy time.

Then what they need to do, which they don't want to do, is push the onus onto the banks who own the properties.

Suspend all mortgages, if HO or landlord a has lost his source of revenue.

Send out relief to people who need it.

Give money to companies who are in trouble for the sole purpose of keeping people paid.

If people were willing or able to lock themselves inside, would virus burn itself out? Well I suppose if a die-off is inevitable, maybe numbers could be dramatically reduced.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

And for those for whom $1,200 is a week's salary, that money won't stimulate much of anything or save the house.

How about you not speak for those who make that a month, that 1200 covers the money I had to drain from my savings to get ahead on rent and stock up on non-perishables because of this shit show.

PS : Anyone who says the democrats did good can go straight up fuck themselves. If more is needed later than we can pass another fucking bill, how about we help people right the fuck now and see if we need more.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Here's the thing:

The people out of work right now at the start of these lockdowns are not out of work by choice. They were literally forced to stop working, for god knows how long.

I don't believe in handouts in regular cases, but when people literally can't work because of government mandates, what other option do you have to offer relief while everything is still shut down?

The Democrats are REEEEing at the thought of these lockdowns ending. Yet, they just shut down a bill that offers a little bit of relief to the people who are literally forced NOT to work.

The media can try to put lipstick on that pig all they want. The Democrats just voted to not offer a paddle to those who are up Shit Creek, when the government mandated to put those people on Shit Creek in the first place, no less.

Keep in mind that I agree with a lot of the lockdowns that are happening; some areas are too out of control not to do something. There is no way to fight this virus without some sort of sacrifice. These are hard times, with some hard solutions.

If you start doling out money based on who deserves help and who doesn't you're missing the point: the money is to keep people afloat until the lockdown/vaccine/treatment is done as well as keep the economy from disintegrating. Some people you disapprove of might get some free money? Whatever, as long as they spend it.

Or the country will fall apart and we'll become a lawless narco state like Mexico if we're lucky.

 

[Non-Expert!]

How about you not speak for those who make that a month, that 1200 covers the money I had to drain from my savings to get ahead on rent and stock up on non-perishables because of this shit show.

PS : Anyone who says the democrats did good can go straight up fuck themselves. If more is needed later than we can pass another fucking bill, how about we help people right the fuck now and see if we need more.

The money is distributed unjustly. Did you file taxes in 2018? Then you might qualify for $600.

If you start doling out money based on who deserves help and who doesn't you're missing the point: the money is to keep people afloat until the lockdown/vaccine/treatment is done as well as keep the economy from disintegrating. Some people you disapprove of might get some free money? Whatever, as long as they spend it.

Or the country will fail apart and we'll become a lawless narco state like Mexico if we're lucky.

I am not the one who approves or disapproves of how Govt money is spent. But we need a more sustainable stimulus that helps at-risk people, long term. Not short term bonus for suburban Karens and pensioners.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Frankly, I think both sides have a point.

The Republicans are right in that there needs to be relief now, and the Democrats are right in that there needs to be relief for everyone, and even more relief given.

I don't agree with the Democrats blocking the bill, but I do see where they're coming from. They really just should've passed the bill, and then have come up with their own to help things down the line.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

If you start doling out money based on who deserves help and who doesn't you're missing the point: the money is to keep people afloat until the lockdown/vaccine/treatment is done as well as keep the economy from disintegrating. Some people you disapprove of might get some free money? Whatever, as long as they spend it.

Or the country will fail apart and we'll become a lawless narco state like Mexico if we're lucky.

Perhaps my way of phrasing was clunky?

When I say "in regular cases," I actually mean "under normal circumstances." My bad. If none of this mess was happening right now, then I don't believe in government handouts.

Under this National Crisis, though? Very different beast. I agree completely with what you're saying.

 

[Vecr]

I found a leaked PDF on the US governments response plan for Coronavirus dated march 13th.

Seems legit.

Does anyone know what PanCAP is?

 

[BillyGoat2]

Why didn't they tell us this earlier?

so they could buy them for healthcare workers.

 

[Vecr]

so they could buy them for healthcare workers.

Sure, but I want to hear their explanation. Someone who I talked to living in South Korea owned a full face mask with the correct type of filters, but did not use it, and thus was infected by the virus.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Frankly, I think both sides have a point.

The Republicans are right in that there needs to be relief now, and the Democrats are right in that there needs to be relief for everyone, and even more relief given.

I don't agree with the Democrats blocking the bill, but I do see where they're coming from. They really just should've passed the bill, and then come up with their own to help things down the line.

Exactly, they should have passed the bill, and then created another one to cover the things that they want to focus on.

Democrats fucked up big time with how they handled this.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

OK I am going to go ahead and say what no politician or decent person is going to vocalize. But I have little to lose, even if fully doxed, so whatever. So grit your teeth. And Don't shoot the messanger.

Truth be told, there is little sense in bickering about stimulus packages or about what it means to be American vs. Communist ... The reasoning behind these lockdown measures is to slow down an inevitable die-off. So as it stands, it looks like 2/100 + tests die. If even 1 out of 1000 people who are exposed to this COVID virus succumb, we are still in big trouble.

Let's just look at LA County. Crunch the numbers. estimated population= 10,118,759
Ok test the entire population by some magic plastic wand .... 10,118,759 will ultimately test positive if we allow nature to unabashedly take its course. After all we are talking about airborne infectious disease.

So if 1/1000 succumbs, then we have 10,118 deaths in LA County, alone. And a lot will be in-between ... with proper care, they will survive.

So do we let all hell break loose and allow kids to pick this virus up at the schools and daycares, and young people to go to crowded venues, and let the disease spread like wildfire?

Only if you have the hospitals and mortuary services to host about 15,000 deceased and could-have been deceased, in the next 8 weeks.

In the next couple of years, barring some miracle, we will see around 10,000 deaths in LA County. And in your jurisdictions, the ratios will be similar.

So the purpose for spreading out the infection rate is to slow down the die-off, and to have the resources to save lives that can be saved.

So as I see it, once thie peak of this general die-off has passed, things will get back to normal, so as far as "helping people out" and throwing out life-preservers, it is in government's interest to target people who will survive this and make it economically easier on them to do so.

Nobody said it, but I think that this is the subtext.

I hope you're wrong and I'm afraid you're right.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Perhaps my way of phrasing was clunky?

When I say "in regular cases," I actually mean "under normal circumstances." My bad. If none of this mess was happening right now, then I don't believe in government handouts.

Under this National Crisis, though? Very different beast. I agree completely with what you're saying.

I wasn't criticizing you at all, sorry if it came off that way. I'm reading other posters going on about who deserves it, which misses the reason for the grants entirely under these circumstances.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Does anyone really believe people on farms, outside urban areas, are going to "shelter in place"? I don't. They'll just go live their lives, go to town as needed. Also believe a certain number of people living in cities/suburbs are doing the same.

I was just talking about this today and haven't checked. Do any of the state wide orders have an exemption for farming? We are 3 weeks out from the start of planting season for corn in zone 8. A big chunk of the cornbelt (zones 6-7) starts April 15th. If farmers sit at home for the next 4-6 weeks there will be problems by fall.

Optimistic I know, but maybe people chimping out about this kind of shit is a good thing since it wakes people up from the "it's just a flu bro" attitude.

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This is probably the same train you posted earlier, just a different video. A train full of JLTVs rolled through Chicago Thursday night on it's way from the Oshkosh factory WI to point of delivery. People freaked the fuck out and the Illinois National Guard had to make a tweet about it.

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[ultimate_racoon]

I got hooked on that Pat Condell guy's videos from earlier in this thread. And then I tried to watch his common purpose video on you tube but it was removed and I only got a link for yout tube to teach me about hate speech. I found the video on liveleak. Does everyone already know about this stuff except me? I had to sign a code of conduct a year ago about how I understood not using someone's preferred pronoun was hurtful and I was just like... wtf is going on? There was always something really... weird about the leadership in that group. Before I put on an aluminum foil hat is this stuff all related? Is there a secretive wacko group that the Brits just let take over their country and now they're infiltrating the U.S.?

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Commies in Spain were trying the same. While the death numbers started to increase, they wanted the government to approve permanent statization of the whole healthcare system.

If you're talking about what a few morons online said, who cares. If you're talking about what the right is accusing Podemos of doing, you're an idiot. Industry seizing is a TEMPORARY measure specifically coded into the state of alarm, meaning as soon as the state ends it also automatically ends, and reparations MUST be paid to all seized businesses. Also btw the motion passed, and it's not being used, for no fucking reason other than PP and PSOE being fucktards, because even fucking TRUMP over here passed the bill for temporary industry seizing too, but nah, apparently here we need the private to keep cutting dicks and stapling boobs, and I guess stitching work accidents, that's totally necessary not having it is comunism! Also let's remember podemos is the ones that bothered introducing the tax break for the small businesses. And it's the PP bitching about PYMES changing production to medical aid cause "muh communism" despite them doing it of their own volition. Fucking free market commies is what we got apparently.

This is in no way comparable to the outrageous pile of bullcrap coming from the Dems, who are acting exactly like the PP, as always, only calling "racism" instead of "communism", for some fucking reason.

 

[NevskyProspekt]

And African migrants tend to dislike eachother.

Nigerians are pretty well respected by all though.

Agreed. Where I used to live in Texas there was a sizable population of Nigerian immigrants, and they were generally very lively, respectable, hard-working family people. Practically the opposite of the horror stories you hear about Somalis in places like Minneapolis and Columbus. It's important to remember that even though it's tempting to view Africa as a monolith, it's actually an immensely diverse place and needs to be looked at on a country-by-country basis, both economically and culturally. You have dumpster fire basket cases like Somalia, Sudan, Cameroon, the C.A.R and Zimbabwe, but there's also relatively stable and developing countries like Kenya, Nigeria, Namibia, Ghana, Rwanda (yes, I'm including them - they've made a massive turnaround), Botswana (who seems to be the only sub-saharan African state that didn't have its head up its own ass after decolonization) and Zambia. All that aside, it will be interesting to see how each of these countries handle the Kung Flu if it spreads quickly despite the heat.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

someone said earlier in the thread that nurses will eventually quit because the PPE runs out; I don't think you know medical workers. what will happen is that nurses will die. gladly, a lot of them. doctors, nurses, anyone who works with the living. they'll work with a piece of paper taped to their nose and hope for the best and they'll die before they quit.

That was me. You think I don't know medical workers?

It has nothing to do with my own personal safety. I've already resigned myself to getting COVID-19. It has to do with patient safety.

People don't stop having other medical issues during a global pandemic. If you have a stroke and get wheeled up to neuro and your nurse has COVID-19 and no PPE then you're going to be recovering from your stroke AND COVID-19. And you're probably going to die.

We can't allow that to happen.

 

[Bobbypurrda]

I hate to deter the trajectory of this thread so I deeply apologize but does anyone know or have an archive of that complimation of people of how China dealt with coronavirus that has the jackass music playing in the background? It's the video that starts with the medical team in full hazmat suits talking about bringing you to death pleasantly or something. Was gonna use it as a PSA since I know a rather large family where I live that's freely traveling around like dipshits.