Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Kornheiser]

The homeless live in filth, have awful diets that are nutritionally lacking and often consist of literal garbage, and are constantly exposed to the elements. All of these things reduce the effectiveness of the immune system. The lack of proper nutrition is going to make them prime targets.

Drug use is the norm among the homeless. Any drug related to heroin is going to suppress the respiratory system, a death sentence with coronavirus. A fetanyl overdose will be near 100% fatal in a corona patient. Other drugs are going to drive up heart rates or result in manic behavior, which in someone with corona+pneumonia can cause a heart attack, especially in someone whose heart has been weakened b continued drug use.

Most homeless people are not mentally sound, lack access to emergency services, ece. If a homeless person in a pipe has corona and can barely get up, how is he going to call an ambulance? Most stumble into emergency rooms, most who have corona barely have the energy to walk to the kitchen and back. Many are so out of it they wont recognize pneumonia symptoms until its far too late.

Let’s see if Tommy Tooter survives before making that statement. If he survives it wouldn’t be that bad.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I cannot imagine homelessness improving your health. There’s also an increased amount of drug use as well as feces everywhere, which would facilitate the spread of Coronavirus.

The homeless live in filth, have awful diets that are nutritionally lacking and often consist of literal garbage, and are constantly exposed to the elements. All of these things reduce the effectiveness of the immune system. The lack of proper nutrition is going to make them prime targets.

Drug use is the norm among the homeless. Any drug related to heroin is going to suppress the respiratory system, a death sentence with coronavirus. A fetanyl overdose will be near 100% fatal in a corona patient. Other drugs are going to drive up heart rates or result in manic behavior, which in someone with corona+pneumonia can cause a heart attack, especially in someone whose heart has been weakened b continued drug use.

Most homeless people are not mentally sound, lack access to emergency services, ece. If a homeless person in a pipe has corona and can barely get up, how is he going to call an ambulance? Most stumble into emergency rooms, most who have corona barely have the energy to walk to the kitchen and back. Many are so out of it they wont recognize pneumonia symptoms until its far too late.

Not at homeless are the same, especially in California where available rentals are low and monthly rent is a small fortune. There are people making middle class salaries who live out of their cars and I imagine they've developed strategies for keeping clean. What you all wrote goes for the crazy screaming drug addicts though.

 

[Slap47]

Trump doesn't have the balls to be a Real Leader and start throwing around real FDR-tier power

FDR's heavy handed strategies were popular because he championed popular legislation. Trump has some popular policies but kissing up to big business is near the bottom of that list.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

I can't believe how many cowardly doomsayers there are in this thread pretending they're being enlightened and even-keeled. There were 60 million infected and over a million killed by the Swine Flu and the world didn't end. This panicked response of quarantining everyone in the country and shuttering all businesses is bringing the country to its knees, not the virus. It's better to let more people get sick and keep the country going than struggle in vain to stop the spread of a virus that's mostly concentrated in places like NYC and watch the economy completely collapse in a way that could leave it scarred for a decade. Trump prioritizing the economy and trying to get things reopened as soon as physically possible is the right move.

Ummmmm.....no. Half a million Americans did NOT die of H1N1. 57 million were infected, 11,800 Americans died. 151,700 and 575,400 people WORLDWIDE died. H1N1's death rate was 0.02%.

First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Released by CDC-Led Collaboration | CDC

First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Released by CDC-Led Collaboration.

www.cdc.gov

Your point of worldwide deaths still stands though. Coronavirus' totals are 378,601 confirmed infections and ~16500 confirmed deaths so far.

 

[Allanon]

Ummmmm.....no. Half a million Americans did NOT die of H1N1. 57 million were infected, 11,800 Americans died. 151,700 and 575,400 people WORLDWIDE died. H1N1's death rate was 0.02%.

First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Released by CDC-Led Collaboration | CDC

First Global Estimates of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic Mortality Released by CDC-Led Collaboration.

www.cdc.gov

Your point of worldwide deaths still stands though.

All the same, H1N1 had astronomically higher infections than we have now, and likewise far higher deaths than current in USA. Despite almost 60 million infected and 12,000~ dead, it was barely a hiccup, because the media constantly downplayed it and prevented panic from breaking out. It's been theorized that the true death rate of COVID-19 or 17 or whatever it is could be as low as .02%, but we haven't gotten enough generalized testing to be sure. It stands to reason that even at double the deaths, it'll cause much less disruption in the country than these preventative measures are.

 

[tehpope]

Its it right to call the Dems at this point Political Terrorist? They're holding relief from the American people for their IDpol shit.

 

[Gog & Magog]

2020 Tokyo Olympics Postponed Until Next Year

There is always a next time, guys. Unless you die then there isn't a next time.

 

[remiem]

Restarting the economy this early, when the virus has been proven to be asymptomatic for up to fourteen days? When the CDC says that it lasted up to seventeen days on surfaces?

The US is just as desperate to maintain their image as China is. They've tried throwing money at the problem, that hasn't worked. Now they want to force the economy to start up again, when all evidence points to needing a long-term shutdown.

This is going to be a terrible mistake. Not only will it not restart the economy, it'll spread the disease in an even greater capacity than it did before. We have no confirmed treatments for it. Congress is more interested in partisan bullshit instead of finding a common ground. Now we're planning on sending thousands of workers over the hypothetical trenches to potentially die just because they're afraid the economic bubbles will burst.

I thought America would be better than China in their response. Perhaps I should've been more cynical. We're fucked.

17 Days in a very controlled environment. It's not good for certain but you have to consider a cruise ship cabin would be fairly static. Little air flow, recycled air. Relatively consistent temp. Docked in the same place. Cabins wouldn't have exposure to nature. Little access to sunlight. Outfitted in metal and plastic for easy cleaning. There's a reason that you often get Norovirus on cruise ships, because they're basically an amazing breeding ground for viruses.

 

[Bat Soup Reviews]

I don’t know how your going to enforce mandatory quarantines without putting martial law on people. Believe it or not people want to work and getting some of the workforce back is better than making people poorer as jobs are lost due to inactivity. I’m tired of the all doomsayers who want all of quarantines to continue indefinitely. People will not put up being cooped up for months.

The quarantines will probably have to end at some point, either because they are just unenforceable or to stop the bleeding out of the economy.

 

[BeboRefugee]

FDR's heavy handed strategies were popular because he championed popular legislation. Trump has some popular policies but kissing up to big business is near the bottom of that list.

If he had the balls to follow through on a few of his pledges then I could see him pulling an FDR.
He didn't even need to do the Wall either, a trillion in infrastructure would have been welcomed so much. Deportations were also high on the agenda, but there he crumpled at the first sign of pressure like an old woman's hip.
Instead the GOP lined up for gay tax cuts, and blowing their political capital on theatre-- I don't believe for a second they would repeal Obamacare, they just wanted to look like they would-- and so Trump is now left scrambling for legitimacy policy-wise, since he staked his whole legitimacy on an economy that is thoroughly busted (and this time it wasn't even the banks' fault lol).

He's almost lucky his front line of enemies in the Democratic Party and the media are such a basket of neurotic and exceptional personalities. He'd be doomed if his record was scrutinised by somebody competent.

 

[XYZpdq]

I don’t know how your going to enforce mandatory quarantines without putting martial law on people. Believe it or not people want to work and getting some of the workforce back is better than making people poorer as jobs are lost due to inactivity. I’m tired of the all doomsayers who want all of quarantines to continue indefinitely. People will not put up being cooped up for months.

no! be scared dammit! didn't you see those people on the media and the social media being scared!?!?! ARE YOU NOT INSTANTLY DOING WHAT THEY DO!!!?

 

[Without A Gout]

I can't believe how many cowardly doomsayers there are in this thread pretending they're being enlightened and even-keeled. There were 60 million infected and over a million killed by the Swine Flu and the world didn't end. This panicked response of quarantining everyone in the country and shuttering all businesses is bringing the country to its knees, not the virus. It's better to let more people get sick and keep the country going than struggle in vain to stop the spread of a virus that's mostly concentrated in places like NYC and watch the economy completely collapse in a way that could leave it scarred for a decade. Trump prioritizing the economy and trying to get things reopened as soon as physically possible is the right move.

Swine flu also had a significantly lower mortality rate than Wuhan Flu (it infected like crazy, but it only killed ~.005% of those infected). The issue many have with just letting people do their daily routines is that, yes, you'll get it over with faster, but you'll have a significantly higher mortality rate due to hospitals being overrun with patients (and for something that is significantly more lethal than Swine Flu, that's a very dangerous risk).

The issue as well is that a lot of areas are at or near the beginning of the curve. New York is about one-two weeks ahead of the rest of America, so I have a feeling it'll become more pronounced as time passes (it's starting to in areas like Florida, New Orleans, Seattle, California, etc.).

I don’t know how your going to enforce mandatory quarantines without putting martial law on people. Believe it or not people want to work and getting some of the workforce back is better than making people poorer as jobs are lost due to inactivity. I’m tired of the all doomsayers who want all of quarantines to continue indefinitely. People will not put up being cooped up for months.

I agree with you on the mandatory quarantines, but not because people want to work. It's because we as Americans lack the discipline to cope with a lengthy period of staying inside our homes. We've never had these restrictions placed on us before. We've been able to go nearly anywhere we wanted at any time, and now we have to deal with a word we've rarely heard from the government: No. You can't do this or that because you'll risk infection and spreading it to high-risk populations.

Look at what we consider "essential" travel: It's not "essential" in the slightest. It's to get take out from Wendy's or to buy Jimmy a new PS4 game.

no! be scared dammit! didn't you see those people on the media and the social media being scared!‽‽ ARE YOU NOT INSTANTLY DOING WHAT THEY DO!!‽

The same ones that were clamoring that this was just "the flu" and a total nothingburger a month ago? Yeah, I'll pass on that.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

I can't believe how many cowardly doomsayers there are in this thread pretending they're being enlightened and even-keeled. There were 60 million infected and over a million killed by the Swine Flu and the world didn't end. This panicked response of quarantining everyone in the country and shuttering all businesses is bringing the country to its knees, not the virus. It's better to let more people get sick and keep the country going than struggle in vain to stop the spread of a virus that's mostly concentrated in places like NYC and watch the economy completely collapse in a way that could leave it scarred for a decade. Trump prioritizing the economy and trying to get things reopened as soon as physically possible is the right move.

Do Americans not understand what the word "exponential" means?

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Do Americans not understand what the word "exponential" means?

Americans only understand two things: Me and Not Me.

That's it.

The idea of community, society, and of that, are all wiped away by progressiveness which holds self above all else. Even if someone is crying about "them poor darkies" you can scratch the surface and see "WHAT ABOUT ME!" right there, like the plastic underneath a cheap veneer.

 

[Petey Wheatstraw]

Quarantines just aren't sustainable. You can keep people cooped up for a few weeks, sure, but but after too long we're going to get tired and break out anyway. I give it another week before people start going really crazy, as if they weren't already.

 

[Aib Ld]

Seems like a good time to ask this question again: What's the verdict on the WuFlu? Still too early to guess since the US seems to want to see if a person really recovered before putting them under 'recovered'?

 

[moocow]

Ok I am an outsider in all of this politics stuff. Trying to hear people's points, thru all the anger.

But basically, if they are giving out the money now, on my husband's income (and many, many, many like us) we would get a fraction of the 1200. Then, being that he works in a specialized field, in infrastructure-related tasks (thats all i am going to say) and this drags on for weeks and weeks, what good is that fraction of 1200 going to do us when and if he loses his job?

If there is a massive economic slowdown, nobody is going to be building or planning much of anything. Then another sector of the workforce stands to lose jobs (building, planning, construction, etc.)

Then Uncle Sam says "well we did what we could" .... And that 800 bucks isn't going to do anything to pay the mortgage.

At best it is a lifeline to working class families, that is about a month's salary for semi-skilled or unskilled labor. But do they even qualify?

Then what?

When will the next life preserver be tossed out?

I hate this kind of thinking.

"What good does $1,200 do for us, since we're used to making so much more every month?"

It keeps the pantry filled and the lights on, dingus. Screw your mortgage. You won't eat a foreclosure for missing a mortgage payment. Remember, there's a moratorium already on foreclosures and evictions, and you'd be amazed at how much lenders try to avoid foreclosures. They're time consuming and costly, and there's no guarantee of making a profit (or even breaking even), especially if the housing market tanks.

And if you're earning so much every month that $1,200 barely puts a dent in it, why don't you have substantial savings to carry you through months of rough times already anyway? Why is it Uncle Sam's job to maintain your cushy lifestyle? Isn't it enough that he's putting food in your stomach?

Besides, you can skip most of your bills for a few months and still have a chance to recover once you've replaced your income. Your credit score goes down and you get angry letters for awhile. That's about the extent of it. You don't even get angry letters if you talk to your creditors before you start missing payments. Every single lender I do business with has emailed me directly and said exactly the same thing: "talk to us if you're having trouble, and we'll see what we can do." They don't come right out and say it, but what they mean is "we'd rather you not pay us for a few months and resume paying us later than have you not pay us at all again ever, and so all you need to do is call us and ask and we'll work out all the details with you."

It's not like these companies don't know shit's hitting the fan. Even the most ludicrously greedy hook nose realizes that giving the average consumer a bit of a break now will yield dividends later. If every lender just clamps down hard now and refuses to budge, everything collapses, including their wealth. They know that. They're motivated primarily by profit, and there's no profit at all in crashing the whole economy with no survivors.

 

[Chad Nasty]

I hate this kind of thinking.

"What good does $1,200 do for us, since we're used to making so much more every month?"

It keeps the pantry filled and the lights on, dingus. Screw your mortgage. You won't eat a foreclosure for missing a mortgage payment. Remember, there's a moratorium already on foreclosures and evictions, and you'd be amazed at how much lenders try to avoid foreclosures. They're time consuming and costly, and there's no guarantee of making a profit (or even breaking even), especially if the housing market tanks.

And if you're earning so much every month that $1,200 barely puts a dent in it, why don't you have substantial savings to carry you through months of rough times already anyway? Why is it Uncle Sam's job to maintain your cushy lifestyle? Isn't it enough that he's putting food in your stomach?

Besides, you can skip most of your bills for a few months and still have a chance to recover once you've replaced your income. Your credit score goes down and you get angry letters for awhile. That's about the extent of it. You don't even get angry letters if you talk to your creditors before you start missing payments. Every single lender I do business with has emailed me directly and said exactly the same thing: "talk to us if you're having trouble, and we'll see what we can do." They don't come right out and say it, but what they mean is "we'd rather you not pay us for a few months and resume paying us later than have you not pay us at all again ever, and so all you need to do is call us and ask and we'll work out all the details with you."

It's not like these companies don't know shit's hitting the fan. Even the most ludicrously greedy hook nose realizes that giving the average consumer a bit of a break now will yield dividends later. If every lender just clamps down hard now and refuses to budge, everything collapses, including their wealth. They know that. They're motivated primarily by profit, and there's no profit at all in crashing the whole economy with no survivors.

I like your style bro, I haven't been paying niggas since '96.

 

[Allanon]

I can't help noticing that I have made it 92 pages into this terrible bill of Pelosi's and she's given billions and billions of dollars to different branches of the government, but I've yet to see anything talking about giving money directly to Americans in the form of those $1k checks. I've seen some grants and stuff put aside to be spread out through various groups of people or salaries, but no instructions on exactly how. they could 'distribute' that $90m to the top three workers in their branch and send a dollar to the rest of the people in it and it would still count.

Maybe there's that check somewhere I haven't gotten to yet before she starts cramming in totally unrelated stuff, but it's still telling she'd go 100 pages without bothering to touch on the stimulus check the bill was made for.

Of course if it's not there at all, I think that's something people should hammer on to the public. Not the insanity she crammed in there, because not everyone will disagree with it, but that her counter-bill doesn't give any money at all.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

All the same, H1N1 had astronomically higher infections than we have now, and likewise far higher deaths than current in USA. Despite almost 60 million infected and 12,000~ dead, it was barely a hiccup, because the media constantly downplayed it and prevented panic from breaking out. It's been theorized that the true death rate of COVID-19 or 17 or whatever it is could be as low as .02%, but we haven't gotten enough generalized testing to be sure. It stands to reason that even at double the deaths, it'll cause much less disruption in the country than these preventative measures are.

South korea has the most reliable numbers right now, and they are reporting a 1.23% death rate. Not 0.02%. This is the country that tests more per capita then any other country for coronavirus.