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The methanol situation is even worse in Iran now:
TEHRAN, Iran -- Standing over the still body of an intubated 5-year-old boy wearing nothing but a plastic diaper, an Iranian health care worker in a hazmat suit and mask begged the public for just one thing: Stop drinking industrial alcohol over fears about the new coronavirus.
The boy, now blind after his parents gave him toxic methanol in the mistaken belief it protects against the virus, is just one of hundreds of victims of an epidemic inside the pandemic now gripping Iran.
Iranian media report nearly 300 people have been killed and more than 1,000 sickened so far by ingesting methanol across the Islamic Republic, where drinking alcohol is banned and where those who do rely on bootleggers. An Iranian doctor helping the country's Health Ministry told The Associated Press on Friday the problem was even greater, giving a death toll of around 480 with 2,850 people sickened.
 
The methanol situation is even worse in Iran now:
Their problem is being a Muslim country. Of course, you can get illegal drinkable alcohol there, but most of the people never had any so they don't know the difference between methanol and ethanol. One needs to know what to drink.
 
The testing does, in part, support my theory, based on how diseases spread, for coronavirus to have touched so many parts of a country as large as the US, it must have a large number of background cases. Again, short of being able to teleport, this disease will have infected many along the way due to its infectiousness. One county reports two people are diagnosed with Corona. Both returned two weeks ago from international travel, and self quarantined immediately. Didnt leave their house for 2 weeks. Not two days after these two were diagnosed, 6 other people int he county were diagnosed. None had international travel, none had left the county for the past month. So how did they get it?

So what you are saying is, you believe the virus may have already spread throughout the world since november, most people figured they had the regular flu, got over it, transmitted it, and by that point it had spread to vunerable populations? So if someone who had Chinaflu in Decemeber and got over it, thinking it was regular flu, got tested today, what result would you get?
 
So what you are saying is, you believe the virus may have already spread throughout the world since november, most people figured they had the regular flu, got over it, transmitted it, and by that point it had spread to vunerable populations? So if someone who had Chinaflu in Decemeber and got over it, thinking it was regular flu, got tested today, what result would you get?
It would be negative with a regular test, you'd need an antibody test to find out they had it.
 
So what you are saying is, you believe the virus may have already spread throughout the world since november, most people figured they had the regular flu, got over it, transmitted it, and by that point it had spread to vunerable populations? So if someone who had Chinaflu in Decemeber and got over it, thinking it was regular flu, got tested today, what result would you get?
You would get a negative result, because the current test is only looking for active or partial reminents of the virus, not antibodies. Yes, I do believe that a large number of people have already been exposed to Coronavirus, and either didnt develop symptoms or developed that strange dry cough/fever/chest infection thing that was spreading everywhere 2 months ago, and our current testing model is completely oblivious to the possibility of earlier spread because we simply were not testing anyone for months, and even now unless you have severe symptoms you are not getting tested.

In other news, Mike DeWine has stated that the state of ohio will see, at its worst, over 10000 new cases per day. For reference, Italy, a country with 60 million people, is averaging 5-7000 new cases per day. DeWine really believes a state with 11 million residents is going to hit the same rate. And no explanation for how he plans on proving this, given ohio tested a whopping 17,000 people over the course of the entire month of march, and it seems there are no plans for improving this number

 
So the lack of data somehow supports your point of "most people are not infected, millions will soon die as the disease spreads"? You got that from 0.1% of the population being tested over 3 months?

The testing does, in part, support my theory, based on how diseases spread, for coronavirus to have touched so many parts of a country as large as the US, it must have a large number of background cases. Again, short of being able to teleport, this disease will have infected many along the way due to its infectiousness. One county reports two people are diagnosed with Corona. Both returned two weeks ago from international travel, and self quarantined immediately. Didnt leave their house for 2 weeks. Not two days after these two were diagnosed, 6 other people int he county were diagnosed. None had international travel, none had left the county for the past month. So how did they get it?

Unless the disease teleported from a couple in quarantine to the other side of the county, it must have passed through the community. The more of these community cases pop up, the more evidence there is that Coronavirus has achieved widespread community spread. The testing data supports your theory just as much as it does mine. The difference is my theory is also supported by pre existing knowledge the medical community has gathered from decades of studying coronaviruses, flus, and other infectious diseases.

This virus cannot travel 50-100 miles, strike a handful of people, then travel another 50-100 miles to another county and strike more random people, without also infecting the local community. If these cases appear, the most logical method would be a chain of transmission from one person to another from town to town, county to county. In the absence of testing, we can look at the behavior of similar diseases to establish an educational guess of how far this disease has spread. You are free to disagree, but if you insist on coronavirus somehow barely infecting anybody, then how do you explain it spreading so sporadically, and how can we justify further quarantine if this type of insanely high demand is going to collapse the medical system anyway, and will continue for some time? Why bother quarantining then?

I refuse to believe that Coronavirus can randomly skip through a population when we know how infectious it is until someone posts proof that it can infect people without infecting its surroundings consistently. The best evidence supporting that is south korean testing, which equates to testing 0.25% of the country's population per month, a pathetic sample size. And that is the BEST weve got. Given the disease can be transmitted weeks before symptoms appear, it can survive on hard surfaces, is aerolized, is airborne, can be transmitted by fecal matter, ece, we can assume anyone who has touched a surface or been near any active patient up to 2 weeks before symptoms presented as exposed to infection. That is a LOT of people. I just cant buy that a disease more infectious then the flu and seemingly survives better then almost any other virus is being this picky on the number of infections, that goes against all infectious disease logic.

I do not want to be an ass, but that teleporting virus of yours is called Coofer the Truck Driver/ Businessman Flyer Hans von Coof and can be very real.
 
Just checking the progress after 14 days.
Outside China:

60240 confirmed / 2218 dead / 6037 recovered

47411 / 1548 / 5423 yesterday

Iran:

11364 confirmed / 514 dead / 2959 recovered

10075 / 429 / 2959 yesterday

USA:

2028 confirmed / 43 dead / 12 recovered

1663 / 40 / 8 yesterday

First recovered change in 10 days for USA ( although some had to have been listed under cruise ship)

Also John Hopkins has French Guiana listed twice today.

Outside China:

511394 confirmed / 24028 dead / 56286 recovered

447809 / 20679 / 47969 yesterday

Iran:

32332 confirmed / 2378 dead / 11133 recovered

29406 / 2234 / 10457 yesterday

USA:

103942 confirmed / 1689 dead / 870 recovered JohnHopkins
104074 confirmed / 1698 dead / 870 recovered Infection2020

83836 / 1029 / 681 yesterday JohnHopkins
88579 / 1288 / 771 yesterday Infection2020

Italy:

86498 confirmed / 9134 dead / 10950 recovered

Spain:

65719 confirmed / 5138 dead / 9357 recovered

After digging to find the first quote, my first unread was the latest update from Rudy. Thank you for posting a daily tally.
 
flipland summary as of March 27, 2020.
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of the 54 deaths, 17 died before the test results show positive, and 6 died on the same day the test results show positive.
Will post more headlines and hot takes later
 
They have encephalopathy, kidney failure, and ketoacidosis.

For those keeping track at home:

Encephalopathy
A broad term for any brain disease that alters brain function or structure.
Causes include infection, tumor, and stroke.
Declining ability to reason and concentrate, memory loss, personality change, seizures, and twitching are common symptoms.
Treatment, such as anti-seizure medications, may help manage some symptoms. Antiviral medications may be used to treat encephalitis caused by a viral infection.

This is the siezures and twitching we're seeing. Wonder if this also explains some lapses in judgement, like say, intentionally breaking quarantine, spitting on doorknobs, etc.

Ketoacidosis
Ketoacidosis is a metabolic state caused by uncontrolled production of ketone bodies that cause a metabolic acidosis. While ketosis refers to any elevation of blood ketones, ketoacidosis is a specific pathologic condition that results in changes in blood pH and requires medical attention. The most common cause of ketoacidosis is diabetic ketoacidosis but can also be caused by alcohol, medications, toxins, and rarely starvation.

Their blood turns to acid.

Kidney failure
Also called: renal failure
A condition in which the kidneys lose the ability to remove waste and balance fluids.

And their blood fills up with shit.

hypoxia
An absence of enough oxygen in the tissues to sustain bodily functions.

This will also result in a lack of judgement in certain cases, as well as the damage to the male reproductive system. If untreated, this is the "looks fine and then falls over dead" thing.

Cytokine
Cytokines are a broad and loose category of small proteins that are important in cell signaling. Cytokines are peptides, and cannot cross the lipid bilayer of cells to enter the cytoplasm. Cytokines have been shown to be involved in autocrine, paracrine and endocrine signaling as immunomodulating agents.

A cytokine storm is basically your body's immune system malfunctioning and attacking your own body.

ARDS / Acute Respiratory distress syndrome
Also called: wet lung
Condition in which fluid collects in the lungs' air sacs, depriving organs of oxygen.
Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) can occur in those who are critically ill or who have significant injuries. It is often fatal, the risk increasing with age and severity of illness.
People with ARDS have severe shortness of breath and often are unable to breathe on their own without support from a ventilator.
Treatment includes oxygen, fluid management, and medication.

In this case, the cytokines fucking up causes your lungs to fill with water and multiple organs to get attacked.

myocarditis, pericarditis
Inflammation of the hart muscle and inflammation of the sack that holds the heart in place. Basically, the immune system attacks the heart on accident.


You know all those insane bullshit theories we were hearing out of Wuhan about this being some sort of weirdo death plague?

They weren't bullshit.

We are absolutely fucked.
 
Every time someone comes in telling people to calm down and that this isn't something to be hysterical about and that it looks much worse than it actually is, there's always a wave of people running in like 'reee i'm terrified how dare you not be terrified with me'.
Yeah posters tend to get cocksure in their predictions when they get reliably proven right at every juncture over the course of 3 months.

There are major health institutions that began this telling the world *not* to prepare, and now they're saying we're well over a month away from the peak whilst numerous national health services are already buckling. It's more than just the flu when you've got Trump staking his political future on ramming through UBI
 
Then they will have to be forced to give up that power.in minecraft, plz no partyvan FBI Tyranny happens in increments and it must be stopped before it can spread too far and too wide.
Ironically its guys like DeSantis in Florida trying to stop New York residents coming to Florida and imposing a two week quarantine on the ones already there that get checked by the Feds. Guess who enforces Federal Court orders? The FBI, US Marshals or in extreme cases, a federalized National Guard.
NY nurses protest against wearing the same masks 5 days in a row
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Only other update I got from this hospital is how the medical supplies department is being sent only gloves for PPE for pushing carts upstairs to units. Didn't say from who or where though. I'm assuming it's just the normal suppliers.
I read somewhere the bat flu virus can live on a used mask for hours. If true, it's a great way to infect patients who aren't sick and will soon keep people away from hospitals, causing it to spread even more quickly. Great.
Their problem is being a Muslim country. Of course, you can get illegal drinkable alcohol there, but most of the people never had any so they don't know the difference between methanol and ethanol. One needs to know what to drink.
Generations of cousin marriage at work.
 
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A reporter was asking Cuomo what Trump meant by saying that they'd "Found ventilators in a storage facility." and Cuomo said that information was "Incorrect and grossly uninformed." After that, he goes on to clarify that the ventilators are in stockpile, because the hospitals don't need them yet. Now... I'm not a fancy wordsmith and all, but what exactly is the difference between a storage and a stockpile?

You know, the easiest answer might be that Cuomo was lying this entire time.

This has got to be the most horrifying example of double-think I've seen yet out of this slo-mo plane crash that we call 2020.
 
I do not want to be an ass, but that teleporting virus of yours is called Coofer the Truck Driver/ Businessman Flyer Hans von Coof and can be very real.
You are correct, it can travel with one person long distances. The difference is we know someone infected can spread the disease days before symptoms set in, sometimes weeks. So Coofer was infected for a week. Every truck stop he stopped to get dinner or take a dump, he would infect hard surfaces and the air around him. The infection would have a pathway to many other people, both for local areas and other travelers heading all over the country. But based on what has been reported, we are expecting this virus to be easy to catch and survive on surfaces for days, yet only a handful of cases are showing up in these small areas. Then, suddenly, a larger number of cases appear.

The problem is we are seeing people who are infected but have no connection to the first round of patients. So how did the second round get it? There would be someone in between, someone who ate at that same dine in place and later touched a desk in a school or library or college who then spread it to the second set of patients. I dont think these patients are being picked up, rather it seems the disease is skipping the middle man then only hitting the end of the train hard. This is rather unusual, with less infectious diseases like H1N1 we were able to watch the disease jump from one county to another, one city, one state. The spread of coronavirus is very unusual, jumping more then you would expect and often not following, say, highways or normal travel paths, but rather popping up in random towns and cities and other cases totally unconnected to them rushing in a few days later. That suggests, to me, that there is already a level of background transmission that is going undetected and we are only catching on when serious cases in compromised individuals make themselves known. Every state now has cases of community transmission with no known connection to travel cases, but these community cases often came merely days later, not long enough for corona to have spread that far from the travelers themselves, suggesting a separate source of infection.

The current estimates of the disease are all over the board, way too much noise in the data. It feels like we are blind, in a football stadium, trying to hit a pinata. Except the pinata is constantly moving. We know its there, and are swinging wildly, but we are getting 0 feedback on if we are getting any closer, or if the pinata is on the other side of the field. Given how slowly testing is ramping up, the level of sentinel testing required to track a fast moving disease like corona, and how hard it is to contain, I have no hope that we will know of its true reach for a least a few years.
 
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