Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[Shrryph1]

Chloe wasn't diagnosed in a hospital. It was a nurse that brought up DID, putting the idea in her head.

She paid to go to the Pottergate Center that specializes in DID. Chloe says the director of the facility, Remy Aquarone diagnosed her. I'm not sure how, though. He's a psychotherapist. i.e. a therapist with a fancy title. He's not licensed to make a diagnosis.

You 100% don’t get diagnosed in the hospital. The nurses administer medications as written, usually from the ER doctor on call, if that’s the way you came in. You might or might not be released after the psychiatrist makes a decision, and it invariably falls on whether you are interested in seeking treatment and make plans to follow up after release. You have to be coherent and willing.

 

[Dick Sanchez]

at 03:01 she states that being born can be traumatic. Please, tell me her trauma was her own birth.

I’m so late to respond to this but I just have to say this... If I was born as fucked up as Chloe I would be pretty traumatized too. Poor thing can’t even construct a solid lie to fake her disorder.

 

[comrade666]

Yea I honestly Wonder what her parents think seeing her videos? Is she accusing them without coming out and saying it? It just seems to me like her trauma doesn't fall in the age range that she stresses and she likely just had a mental breakdown in her teens/ early twenties, when most mental health issues become obvious. Unless she's adopted or something? Yet she's said before that she likes hanging out with family and friends, so if someone else in her family molested her or something that would be an odd statement to make. There are too many inconsistencies in her timeline and story. She honestly just seems like a girl who wanted a "cool" disorder for attention and now she's in over her head and really believes it. It's just so bothersome that millions of people believe this horseshit and don't see any signs that this is bonkers!

She talks about how her parents feel in this video around 24:00 and it seems they had nothing to do with the trauma and weren't aware of the trauma. Chloe doesn't remember her trauma either and just assumes that she has it. But ultimately it seems like her parents are very confused as to what happened to give her trauma.

My parents really struggle with that. A lot of the reason why my parents especially my Mother wants to know what happened and will ask me like every time I go to therapy: "Do you know what happened yet? Do you know what caused this yet?" is because both my parents love me so much and they want to know what on earth happened. Like, what happened, what did they do wrong, you know, what did they miss? Was there something they could have done to avoid it, you know, stuff like that. And it's difficult to see them kind of suffering holding that alongside me. Because I don't know, I don't know either. And that's scary. And it's obviously scary for them too.

You 100% don’t get diagnosed in the hospital. The nurses administer medications as written, usually from the ER doctor on call, if that’s the way you came in. You might or might not be released after the psychiatrist makes a decision, and it invariably falls on whether you are interested in seeking treatment and make plans to follow up after release. You have to be coherent and willing.

She doesn't claim to have been diagnosed in hospital As Chloe tells it she;

-Attempted suicide age 18
-Spoke with the crisis team in hospital
-Was told by a member of the crisis team that having an inner monologue wasn't normal
-Was referred to therapy in Colchester where her therapist suggested she had DID but didn't diagnose her*
-Went to university and had so many amnesiac spells she was expelled
-Sought out therapy and got diagnosed at this treatment centre **

*She also says that this therapist in Colchester had no idea what DID was and was introduced to the concept by Chloe herself so this is one of those occasions where her story doesn't add up.
**She specifically chose to go to university in the same town as one of two DID treatment centres in the UK so make of that what you will. This same treatment centre offers free diagnostic tests for people to take at home. Tests that should be administered only by a trained professional. Of those who take these tests the majority are invited to come for a consultation (paid) and 90% come away with a diagnosis which is a ridiculously high number. Read through the earlier pages in this thread for more information on that.

 

[Shrryph1]

Physically traumatic I'm sure but no one remembers their birth. Birth trauma is definitely a thing for Mothers but what newborn baby has the cognitive ability to record long term memory and suffer emotional damage? They can't even hold their heads up unsupported.
In the same video she says that 'falls' could be traumatic too. So by her logic if you have ever been born and have fallen over in the playground a few times you can develop DID.

I also find it interesting how she pauses on 'religious' trauma in that video and does her weird pursed lip intense stare to highlight the significance of what she's saying. It'll be her otherwise supportive parents saying they don't approval of her being a lesbian because Jesus said so, then. But surely she wasn't running around claiming to be a lesbian age seven? The only time she's hinted that her parents haven't been supportive is in regards to her sexuality and she says that you can't develop DID unless you have a poor relationship with parents and trauma before seven. Surely she wouldn't have had someone calling her a hell bound dyke until at least her early teens.

As for Nan's BPD I knew she'd been diagnosed (probably via BetterHelp) but I meant she was more likely to be facing issues related to that than DID.

I’m sort of thinking this is the underlying problem for both of them. They’re just gay. But because of societal, religious and family pressures against homosexuality, they feel a need to create other worlds to justify it. Iran doesn’t have any gay people, by the way. But they pay for MTF surgery.

 

[BScaller!]

Chloe wasn't diagnosed in a hospital. It was a nurse that brought up DID, putting the idea in her head.

She paid to go to the Pottergate Center that specializes in DID. Chloe says the director of the facility, Remy Aquarone diagnosed her. I'm not sure how, though. He's a psychotherapist. i.e. a therapist with a fancy title. He's not licensed to make a diagnosis.

You're right ! I can verify this. A psychotherapist is just a counselor, a psychiatrist would be the one to diagnose her. I don't believe she's ever been diagnosed! This actually kind of confirms it since Remy Aquarone is the person she names as having diagnosed her! It's in the "Jade responding to hate video." No wonder she couldn't get back into school. Wow I feel like that just did it for me. She self diagnosed and does not have DID. <- worlds smallest violin LMAO

 

[4Macie]

In the OP Reddit caps Sam mentions that Nan tried to pursue a teenager alter (Kit I think) in her friends system for a sexual relationship which caused a lot of trouble. She was already in a relationship with Chloe at the time and apparently Chloe was horrified.

It was Nan (as Kit) who was trying to hookup with a teenager. I think Kit is dead now though, she was the weeb anime alter that merged with someone else who the. Split into another person later.

Kiiiinda adds more credibility to the Nan likes young underaged teens theory.

 

[Lieileen]

II

Chloe wasn't diagnosed in a hospital. It was a nurse that brought up DID, putting the idea in her head.

She paid to go to the Pottergate Center that specializes in DID. Chloe says the director of the facility, Remy Aquarone diagnosed her. I'm not sure how, though. He's a psychotherapist. i.e. a therapist with a fancy title. He's not licensed to make a diagnosis.

IIRC he doesn’t actually sign off on the diagnoses. He has a consultant do it. I remember looking into him when she mentioned him in January. She slipped up and called him a doctor but I don’t think he is.

 

[comrade666]

I’m sort of thinking this is the underlying problem for both of them. They’re just gay. But because of societal, religious and family pressures against homosexuality, they feel a need to create other worlds to justify it. Iran doesn’t have any gay people, by the way. But they pay for MTF surgery.

Potentially. Both sets of parents seem confused as to what traumatic events gave their children DID. I know that abusive parents are often ignorant, wilfully or otherwise, of their faults when it comes to raising their children but I don't see abuse in their backgrounds. Both are hesitant to explicitly declare their parents were abusive or even so much as unsupportive. Chloe tiptoes around the topic of her parents not supporting her sexuality but she makes it clear they love her and care for her a great deal.

On the subject of her parents she did mention a 'birth mum' in her sims video when discussing Jade and I wonder if that means she's adopted or if her alters have parents.

It was Nan (as Kit) who was trying to hookup with a teenager. I think Kit is dead now though, she was the weeb anime alter that merged with someone else who the. Split into another person later.

Kiiiinda adds more credibility to the Nan likes young underaged teens theory.

It's getting harder to keep track of all these alters dead and alive. I'll have to make a list this weekend when I work on the timeline. I'm convinced Nan is into teens.

On the topic of Nan, her Myspace is full of grim fetish art of characters from the great mouse detective (?).

 

[Shrryph1]

She talks about how her parents feel in this video around 24:00 and it seems they had nothing to do with the trauma and weren't aware of the trauma. Chloe doesn't remember her trauma either and just assumes that she has it. But ultimately it seems like her parents are very confused as to what happened to give her trauma.





She doesn't claim to have been diagnosed in hospital As Chloe tells it she;

-Attempted suicide age 18
-Spoke with the crisis team in hospital
-Was told by a member of the crisis team that having an inner monologue wasn't normal
-Was referred to therapy in Colchester where her therapist suggested she had DID but didn't diagnose her*
-Went to university and had so many amnesiac spells she was expelled
-Sought out therapy and got diagnosed at this treatment centre **

*She also says that this therapist in Colchester had no idea what DID was and was introduced to the concept by Chloe herself so this is one of those occasions where her story doesn't add up.
**She specifically chose to go to university in the same town as one of two DID treatment centres in the UK so make of that what you will. This same treatment centre offers free diagnostic tests for people to take at home. Tests that should be administered only by a trained professional. Of those who take these tests the majority are invited to come for a consultation (paid) and 90% come away with a diagnosis which is a ridiculously high number. Read through the earlier pages in this thread for more information on that.

Is this like when I’m playing Words With Friends and ads for other games pop up with “If you can beat this level, you have an IQ of 140”? Of course it’s crap, of course she sought out and paid for a diagnosis to give her legitimacy. Paying unscrupulous doctors off is hardly a new thing.

 

[comrade666]

You're right ! I can verify this. A psychotherapist is just a counselor, a psychiatrist would be the one to diagnose her. I don't believe she's ever been diagnosed! This actually kind of confirms it since Remy Aquarone is the person she names as having diagnosed her! It's in the "Jade responding to hate video." No wonder she couldn't get back into school. Wow I feel like that just did it for me. She self diagnosed and does not have DID. <- worlds smallest violin LMAOView attachment 1211823

Christ, well this is why she wasn't allowed back into university then. According to her recent chimp out on Twitter the university told her she needed six months of therapy before she would be allowed back presumably after the dramatic suicide attempt involving a police search as mentioned in her Omega video. If her idea of getting therapy was paying for a diagnosis from a counsellor with a fancy hat on then no wonder they deemed it inadequate treatment.

Incorrect rumour 2 is about a gofundme to fund therapy during our intercalation (enforced year off university). The intercalation was under the agreement we would get 6 months therapy & return to uni after that year. After being diagnosed they refused us re-entry multiple times.

 

[gingerthief]

“Daddy misses you too!”

To think I was called a little bit disgusting for suggesting this was a DDLG thing.

If nothing else, these people are gross and love to flirt with the idea of sexualizing their "littles".

There's definitely plausible deniability ("You're all just projecting your sick fantasies on us!! There's nothing wrong with a child calling a father figure daddy!!"), HOWEVER... all of their interactions with each other seem to be pretty intimate and, shall we say, sexually loaded. They rub their sexuality and the sexual/romantic relationships between their various "alters" in their viewers faces, encouraging viewer participation in these relationships by the way of fan art and fan fiction. They also disclose a weird amount of intimate details, like that screenshot a few pages back where a fan asks about their Dom/sub dynamic. It's almost feels like exhibitionism.

To then throw in child "alters" in this mix and even insinuate some sort of parental feelings by someone who is also a lover is FUCKING CREEPY! No, I also don't think they're pedophiles, but they are into some weird, nasty roleplay, (which is fine if you're into that, whatever) that they're pushing onto a very public platform under the guise of being mental health advocates. Keep your grossness contained to your fetish tumblr, please.

Tldr: they're gross and I hate them.

 

[DissociaDONT]

They've got one consultant psychiatrist who probably dishes out the 'official' diagnosis. I'm not sure if this is something I'm misremembering but I thought there had to be more than one practitioner involved in diagnosing a patient with DID though. They've got the full list of staff on their website. I've been meaning to look into the background of each of these.

"...Two assessments are undertaken: the SCIDD with myself and the psychiatric assessment with my colleague, William Hughes, who is a consultant psychiatrist. He will have received all the relevant medical notes from the services as his role is to identify the primary diagnosis. Very often people have been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder and immediately any question of effective help had been dismissed in the past..."

 

[Bitchy Witchy]

I’ve been lurking for the past couple of days after discovering DissociaDID from all the Trisha Paytas drama that keeps showing up in my recommended on YT. Something about Chloe or Nin or whoever really rubs me the wrong way and almost angers me because so many people are blind to it and don’t question ANYTHING. I just found this article by someone who attended the Pottergate Center and was “diagnosed “ by Remy Aquarone.https://www.google.com/amp/s/inanis...rgate-centre-for-dissociation-and-trauma/amp/

Remy thanked us for the introduction letter we had sent, and offered Zack the SCID-D to look at. It was very thick, but Remy said you don’t actually go through all of it, you turn to different pages at different times and Zack described it as being like a choose your own adventure book.

The sections were relatively short, and concentrated around symptoms that are experienced in daily life. There was no discussion of trauma or questions about traumatic events.

In the assessment room there is a large dolls house, and Lazer became fixated on this. Remy asked if he wanted to have a look at it, and Lazer was excited to see. He pointed out the little giraffes and cats and dominos all inside the house. We asked if we could have a drink and Remy finished the assessment and marked some of the answers based on his observations while we waited. He then said he’d be a few minutes and left the room to look it over

When he came back into the room he sat down, and said it’s quite clear we have DID. We got very overwhelmed very quickly and cried a bit. We asked if he would write that on a piece of paper for us so that we had some proof that we could take away with us before we get the report, just so that we can’t deny it, and he was happy to do so.

 

[comrade666]

If nothing else, these people are gross and love to flirt with the idea of sexualizing their "littles".

There's definitely plausible deniability ("You're all just projecting your sick fantasies on us!! There's nothing wrong with a child calling a father figure daddy!!"), HOWEVER... all of their interactions with each other seem to be pretty intimate and, shall we say, sexually loaded. They rub their sexuality and the sexual/romantic relationships between their various "alters" in their viewers faces, encouraging viewer participation in these relationships by the way of fan art and fan fiction. They also disclose a weird amount of intimate details, like that screenshot a few pages back where a fan asks about their Dom/sub dynamic. It's almost feels like exhibitionism.

To then throw in child "alters" in this mix and even insinuate some sort of parental feelings by someone who is also a lover is FUCKING CREEPY! No, I also don't think they're pedophiles, but they are into some weird, nasty roleplay, (which is fine if you're into that, whatever) that they're pushing onto a very public platform under the guise of being mental health advocates. Keep your grossness contained to your fetish tumblr, please.

Tldr: they're gross and I hate them.

They are incredibly tactile. In the video 'Sofa chats with Chloe and Nan! Faking, Switching, Parents thoughts?' linked above with their friend BoBo they can't seem to stop touching each other even in the presence of company. They pull their friend into it at some points too. Quite funny to see their friend talking sincerely about something emotional while they pay no attention and nuzzle into each other. She realises at one point neither are actually listening and starts to trail off mid sentence.

I think what seals the deal for me in regards to Nan being, to some degree, a sexual predator is the way she disguises her kinks in order to introduce them to her young audience. We all know by now how she feels about sneezing. She introduced her sneezing kink to her audience through a 'fun' video about how her alters all sneeze differently. Other videos are littered with the occasional reference to sneezing being cute. She also slips it into her 'sfw' art which she shares with her fans.

Behind the curtain but poorly disguised we see the extent of her fetish. She draws other people and their OCs without their consent which gives me ShecameforCWC.JPG vibes and honestly amuses me more than it concerns me and she draws young characters in sexual lights. She drew Rainbow Brite with tits sneezing. She drew an adult fox? dog? furry of some description sneezing on a puppy. She kisses Chloe when she's acting as a little. She identifies as younger than her real age. She attempted to have sex with a teenager because she claimed her alter was a teenager. There are so many things about Nan that point to her being predatory in my view.

 

[DissociaDONT]

I’ve been lurking for the past couple of days after discovering DissociaDID from all the Trisha Paytas drama that keeps showing up in my recommended on YT. Something about Chloe or Nin or whoever really rubs me the wrong way and almost angers me because so many people are blind to it and don’t question ANYTHING. I just found this article by someone who attended the Pottergate Center and was “diagnosed “ by Remy Aquarone.https://www.google.com/amp/s/inanis...rgate-centre-for-dissociation-and-trauma/amp/

Well, that was really comprehensive. So much for "amnesia walls" I guess.

From meeting someone to diagnosing them with DID an hour and a half later. Neat.

 

[comrade666]

Update on Nan's Munchausens: she has confirmed her WuFlu despite not having actually been tested. Now we wait for the Corona art. Do all her alters have it or just her?

 

[Grey-ish]

You're right ! I can verify this. A psychotherapist is just a counselor, a psychiatrist would be the one to diagnose her.

It depends on your jurisdiction. In Canuckistan, practitioners at the masters level are not able to diagnose patients. Both Psychologists and Psychiatrists are able to diagnose patients, but you need either a PhD or PsyD. Anyone from England able to shed light on this?

Edit: Just wanted clarify, you need a doctorate from an accredited Clinical Psychology program. Psychiatrists have to go through med-school, placements etc. A Psychotherapist like Remy would only be able to offer therapy.

 

[Bitchy Witchy]

Apa

It depends on your jurisdiction. In Canuckistan, practitioners at the masters level are not able to diagnose patients. Both Psychologists and Psychiatrists are able to diagnose patients, but you need either a PhD or PsyD. Anyone from England able to shed light on this?

Edit: Just wanted clarify, you need a doctorate from an accredited Clinical Psychology program. Psychiatrists have to go through med-school, placements etc. A Psychotherapist like Remy would only be able to offer therapy.

Apparently you can see Remy AND a psychiatrist for £1800 instead of just Remy for £720

 

[BScaller!]

I’ve been lurking for the past couple of days after discovering DissociaDID from all the Trisha Paytas drama that keeps showing up in my recommended on YT. Something about Chloe or Nin or whoever really rubs me the wrong way and almost angers me because so many people are blind to it and don’t question ANYTHING. I just found this article by someone who attended the Pottergate Center and was “diagnosed “ by Remy Aquarone.https://www.google.com/amp/s/inanis...rgate-centre-for-dissociation-and-trauma/amp/

This article is all about his work he infact is not a psychiatrist
Edit: Nor is he a Doctor

Interview with Rémy Aquarone

www.estd.org

 

[BScaller!]

It depends on your jurisdiction. In Canuckistan, practitioners at the masters level are not able to diagnose patients. Both Psychologists and Psychiatrists are able to diagnose patients, but you need either a PhD or PsyD. Anyone from England able to shed light on this?

Edit: Just wanted clarify, you need a doctorate from an accredited Clinical Psychology program. Psychiatrists have to go through med-school, placements etc. A Psychotherapist like Remy would only be able to offer therapy.

Yup his work: https://www.estd.org/content/interview-rémy-aquarone