- Joined
- Sep 18, 2014
Found this from a MD, seems relevant.
Anti-Vax Movement
- Thread starter Dalish
- Start date
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2015
That man is a true hero in this strange world of ours. Doesn't succumb to the dark and unholy powers of the Kool-aid and refuses to pander to people who are wholly misinformed and endanger the lives of those around them and their children. I sometimes do wonder what it would be like to meet one of these people in real life.
- Joined
- Feb 4, 2013
José Mourinho
The Special One
Forum Staff
Retired Staff
Global Moderator
True & Honest Fan
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Feb 3, 2013
- Joined
- Feb 3, 2013
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2013
I suggest you guys watch the episode of Penn and Teller: Bullshit on this topic.
- Joined
- Jul 22, 2013
http://smh.com.au/national/australian-vaccination-skeptics-network-compares-vaccines-to-rape-20150422-1mr0wk.html
I don't really follow the people who think I'm the devil (for those who don't know, I work in the pharmaceutical industry and more specifically, vaccine production) that much but this popped up in my Facebook feed. Turns out calling mandatory vaccination "forced penetration" wasn't a great idea after all.
I don't really follow the people who think I'm the devil (for those who don't know, I work in the pharmaceutical industry and more specifically, vaccine production) that much but this popped up in my Facebook feed. Turns out calling mandatory vaccination "forced penetration" wasn't a great idea after all.
So it seems like my mom is starting to buy into the anti-vaxxer bullshit. It's not as bad as it could be; she doesn't have any kids younger than me and she has been a rabid supporter of alt medicine for decades so no one really listens to her any more.
Anyway, apparently she thinks measles aren't so bad and shouldn't be vaccinated for because "in the old days, doctors knew how to take care of measles. Now they don't" and "back then, nobody died of measles like they do now" (didn't bother to look it up but I sincerely doubt that) and the main reason it's so bad now is that parents are too lazy nowadays and the way to treat measles is to keep kids at home for a couple of weeks, which parents won't do. I didn't really feel like arguing with her so I just said "well, I'm really glad I didn't have to get measles when I was a kid" and left it at that.
She has also put what may be her own spin on the 'vaccines cause autism' idea. According to her autism is genetic and it's brought on by trauma, and vaccines traumatize the body which can bring out autism but another traumatic event also could do it too. I'm not really sure where she gets these ideas from, she hasn't found the quack part of the internet yet but she watches Dr. Oz and gets paper newsletters from some of her favorite alternative medicine practitioners.
Anyway, apparently she thinks measles aren't so bad and shouldn't be vaccinated for because "in the old days, doctors knew how to take care of measles. Now they don't" and "back then, nobody died of measles like they do now" (didn't bother to look it up but I sincerely doubt that) and the main reason it's so bad now is that parents are too lazy nowadays and the way to treat measles is to keep kids at home for a couple of weeks, which parents won't do. I didn't really feel like arguing with her so I just said "well, I'm really glad I didn't have to get measles when I was a kid" and left it at that.
She has also put what may be her own spin on the 'vaccines cause autism' idea. According to her autism is genetic and it's brought on by trauma, and vaccines traumatize the body which can bring out autism but another traumatic event also could do it too. I'm not really sure where she gets these ideas from, she hasn't found the quack part of the internet yet but she watches Dr. Oz and gets paper newsletters from some of her favorite alternative medicine practitioners.
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2015
Oh my god. I'm sorry you have to deal with this. I haven't met anyone like this in real life so I can only imagine what it feels like to have a family member like that. Your mother like many others seems to have gotten caught up in the nonsensical groupthink and bandwagon mentality that shatters self-awareness and ability to question ones own views.
These deluded people simultaneously anger and sadden me.
- Joined
- Apr 6, 2015
i wonder how many people who buy into this "vaccinations cause the EVILS" bullshit are actually vaccinated themselves?
- Joined
- May 25, 2013
- Joined
- Apr 6, 2015
in the old days, doctors knew how to balance the humors. Now they don't.
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2013
My cousin married a Naturopathic Doctor. She deals in natural cures, homeopathy, relaxation, massage therapy and all sorts of things like that. She's a smart girl, actually taught Chemistry in college for a couple of years. Needless to say we don't see eye to eye on the whole allopathic VS homeopathic thing but we've been able to get to an even middle ground. I admit that if natural cures work with less side effects then there's no harm in using them. And she admits that if a drug from one of the drug companies works then that should be prescribed.
She is however completely for vaccinations including their kids but wants to space them out so at least there's that.
Agreed. Part of me is angry because they feel that somehow having a child that is autistic is worse than having one that is blind, deaf, immobile or even dead. And I can't help but feel it's a little personal. We have those on the autistic spectrum on this board. I know people on the spectrum. I am on that spectrum. So they would rather have a dead child than one like me.Stratomsk said:
Now that I'm older I've gotten over it but growing up it was pretty bad. She constantly took me out of school to get acupuncture treatments for "allergies" homeopathic doctors claimed I had. I missed school 1-2 days a week for a LONG time. If she let me get measles it would have just been even more missed school. Luckily I never got held back or anything. They spent somewhere around $10,000 on all these allergy treatments. She also drug my sister and two nephews into it and the nephews would stay with us for a few weeks at a time while she drove us all to get treatments. I think it was during the summer for them though.
Nowadays she's really into fad diets and she insists on the whole family doing them (which is just her and my dad, and their dog) so I'm really glad I don't have to live with her. Still, she lectures me on the phone all the time about how I apparently have celiac's disease and need to eat a gluten free diet or I'll get sick. She doesn't have a lot of friends, probably because she can't go ten minutes without lecturing someone on gluten free or why they need acupuncture or whatever other treatment she's championing at the moment. I think she is probably at the worst end of the naturopath spectrum. She is just too wrapped up in it. One of her old naturopath doctors got his medical license revoked for some EXTREMELY sketchy practices (his license expired and he started meeting with patients at Burger King and Starbucks) and she still defends him.
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2014
Burger King is certainly a temple of health.
- Joined
- Sep 3, 2014
Eh, I'd always advise to do lots of research with any medicine or vaccine you get, from all different angles. Information is good, but keep alert for bullshit like some of these fucks spout. Doesn't help that I once suffered some severe side-effects from a vaccine I had. Injection site hurt like fuck, could barely move my arm, severe fever, and a bit of dizziness at times. I was dehydrated due to sleeping like a rock for the first two days, had little chance to eat or drink. Didn't know it'd hit me like that, but I'm not "converted" to anti-vaccination or shit like that. I just try to do my research, ask questions, so on.
Last edited:
- Joined
- May 25, 2013
Shades of Pastor Faggot's strip mall church and the #mecdunoladsfedrrtaion!
- Joined
- Apr 26, 2013
Ha, homeopathy...the only reason it's not as vile as the anti-vaccination movement is that it usually is aimed at non-contagious ailments. Too bad it's precisely as insane. Hilariously so. Not surprised how often it and anti-vax mingle.
- Joined
- Oct 28, 2014
The primary issue with homeopathy is that it has no checks or balances whatsoever. I'm not proud of this, but I helped a friend a few years back with a sort of scam involving that:
See, there's this idea that rubbing special crystals on yourself can align your chakra or whatever. It's called crystal therapy. The crystals can sell for upwards of 30 bucks. Thing is, they are literally nothing more than simple, cheap stuff like quartz crystal that some dude meditated with or something. So my friend would buy the raw stuff in bulk, then shave it down and polish it in his shop. He would then turn around and sell it for around $35 dollars, telling people that it had good energy in it or something like that. He made a killing. If he did this with real medicine, he would have gone to jail. Eventually, he got caught. And absolutely nothing happened, because homeopathy is based entirely on the placebo effect, so there is no regulation on it whatsoever.
TL;DR- The issue with homeopathy is that it has no basis in any real science, so there are no real rules surrounding how it's done. You wanna call yourself a spirit healer and charge idiots $100 a pop for the privilege of your services? No one can stop you.