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I had an older relative who was in the Battle of the Bulge and refused to go to a hospital whenever he was ill because, he said, "That's where you go to die and I ain't dying yet". He was one of those tough as nails, suck it up kind of guys but he was also a real softie when it came to us kids and puppies. I used to think his tough guy personality was why he avoided hospitals but my dad said it's because before penicillin that was the case, people went to die when they got sick enough to be admitted,

I see where he was coming from now, it seems if you're sick enough to be admitted to a hospital and intubated on a ventilator it's highly likely you're going out in a pine box. We really don't have any treatment for this virus despite all those promising drugs.
 
What the hell is going on, people are going nuts...

Prosecutors: Engineer deliberately ran train off tracks in attempt to smash the USNS Mercy





The Pacific Harbor Line train derailed Tuesday, running through the end of the track and crashing through barriers, finally coming to rest about 250 yards from the docked naval ship.


Federal prosecutors allege train engineer Eduardo Moreno, 44, of San Pedro intended to hit the ship, saying he thought it was "suspicious" and did not believe "the ship is what they say it's for.'"


The scary part is, he didn't land that far from his target.... Still, he would have fallen like a rock in the water without a single chance of touching the ship anyway. Way too heavy.

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He ended up nearly 450 ft away, nice momentum, but really not enough speed before derailing ! xD
This is beyond stupid. JFC. Not the using the train as a projectile I mean, but look at the track in the picture, and at the video, IT WASNT EVEN CLOSE TO THE RIGHT BEARING. Dumbass would have ended up in the parking lot if he was lucky. Didnt he realize he couldnt steer the train?
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Hope he gets the 20 year sentence. What a moron....
 
I had an older relative who was in the Battle of the Bulge and refused to go to a hospital whenever he was ill because, he said, "That's where you go to die and I ain't dying yet". He was one of those tough as nails, suck it up kind of guys but he was also a real softie when it came to us kids and puppies. I used to think his tough guy personality was why he avoided hospitals but my dad said it's because before penicillin that was the case, people went to die when they got sick enough to be admitted,

I see where he was coming from now, it seems if you're sick enough to be admitted to a hospital and intubated on a ventilator it's highly likely you're going out in a pine box. We really don't have any treatment for this virus despite all those promising drugs.

Interesting post. He also may have had mentors who had the "Spanish Flu" pandemic in mind, and told him to avoid hospitals at all cost. At the time wounded soldiers often succumbed to the flu, catching it wile being treated for their injuries.

Even if conditions have changed, sometimes there is no convincing somebody of it, when they recall traumatic memories.

But yeah, it is ironic that doctors are currently telling people to avoid Hospitals unless they feel like they literally can not breathe.
 
Rate me late if this got posted already, got sent this from a friend of a friend. It appears to be a text dump from somewhere else, but I’m having a hard time finding the source - any google experts wanna lend a hand?

I am an ER MD in New Orleans. Every one of my colleagues have now seen several hundred Covid 19 patients and this is what I think I know.

Clinical course is predictable.
2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start. Common are fever, headache, dry cough, myalgias(back pain), nausea without vomiting, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhea, loss of smell, anorexia, fatigue.

Day 5 of symptoms- increased SOB, and bilateral viral pneumonia from direct viral damage to lung parenchyma.

Day 10- Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure. You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours.

81% mild symptoms, 14% severe symptoms requiring hospitalization, 5% critical.

Patient presentation is varied. Patients are coming in hypoxic (even 75%) without dyspnea. I have seen Covid patients present with encephalopathy, renal failure from dehydration, DKA. I have seen the bilateral interstitial pneumonia on the xray of the asymptomatic shoulder dislocation or on the CT's of the (respiratory) asymptomatic polytrauma patient. Essentially if they are in my ER, they have it. Seen three positive flu swabs in 2 weeksand all three had Covid 19 as well. Somehow this ***** has told all other disease processes to get out of town.

China reported 15% cardiac involvement. I have seen covid 19 patients present with myocarditis, pericarditis, new onset CHF and new onset atrial fibrillation. I still order a troponin, but no cardiologist will treat no matter what the number in a suspected Covid 19 patient. Even our non covid 19 STEMIs at all of our facilities are getting TPA in the ED and rescue PCI at 60 minutes only if TPA fails.

Diagnostic
CXR- bilateral interstitial pneumonia (anecdotally starts most often in the RLL so bilateral on CXR is not required). The hypoxia does not correlate with the CXR findings. Their lungs do not sound bad. Keep your stethoscope in your pocket and evaluate with your eyes and pulse ox.

Labs- WBC low, Lymphocytes low, platelets lower then their normal, Procalcitonin normal in 95%
CRP and Ferritin elevated most often. CPK, D-Dimer, LDH, Alk Phos/AST/ALT commonly elevated.
Notice D-Dimer- I would be very careful about CT PE these patients for their hypoxia. The patients receiving IV contrast are going into renal failure and on the vent sooner.

Basically, if you have a bilateral pneumonia with normal to low WBC, lymphopenia, normal procalcitonin, elevated CRP and ferritin- you have covid-19 and do not need a nasal swab to tell you that.

A ratio of absolute neutrophil count to absolute lymphocyte count greater than 3.5 may be the highest predictor of poor outcome. the UK is automatically intubating these patients for expected outcomes regardless of their clinical presentation.

An elevated Interleukin-6 (IL6) is an indicator of their cytokine storm. If this is elevated watch these patients closely with both eyes.

Other factors that appear to be predictive of poor outcomes are thrombocytopenia and LFTs 5x upper limit of normal.

Disposition
I had never discharged multifocal pneumonia before. Now I personally do it 12-15 times a shift. 2 weeks ago we were admitting anyone who needed supplemental oxygen. Now we are discharging with oxygen if the patient is comfortable and oxygenating above 92% on nasal cannula. We have contracted with a company that sends a paramedic to their home twice daily to check on them and record a pulse ox. We know many of these patients will bounce back but if it saves a bed for a day we have accomplished something. Obviously we are fearful some won't make it back.

We are a small community hospital. Our 22 bed ICU and now a 4 bed Endoscopy suite are all Covid 19. All of these patients are intubated except one. 75% of our floor beds have been cohorted into covid 19 wards and are full. We are averaging 4 rescue intubations a day on the floor. We now have 9 vented patients in our ER transferred down from the floor after intubation.

Luckily we are part of a larger hospital group. Our main teaching hospital repurposed space to open 50 new Covid 19 ICU beds this past Sunday so these numbers are with significant decompression. Today those 50 beds are full. They are opening 30 more by Friday. But even with the "lockdown", our AI models are expecting a 200-400% increase in covid 19 patients by 4/4/2020.

Treatment
Supportive

worldwide 86% of covid 19 patients that go on a vent die. Seattle reporting 70%. Our hospital has had 5 deaths and one patient who was extubated. Extubation happens on day 10 per the Chinese and day 11 per Seattle.

Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn't appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil's potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am not longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post.

We are also using Azithromycin, but are intermittently running out of IV.

Do not give these patient's standard sepsis fluid resuscitation. Be very judicious with the fluids as it hastens their respiratory decompensation. Outside the DKA and renal failure dehydration, leave them dry.

Proning vented patients significantly helps oxygenation. Even self proning the ones on nasal cannula helps.

Vent settings- Usual ARDS stuff, low volume, permissive hypercapnia, etc. Except for Peep of 5 will not do. Start at 14and you may go up to 25 if needed.

Do not use Bipap- it does not work well and is a significant exposure risk with high levels of aerosolized virus to you and your staff. Even after a cough or sneeze this virus can aerosolize up to 3 hours.

The same goes for nebulizer treatments. Use MDI. you can give 8-10 puffs at one time of an albuterol MDI. Use only if wheezing which isn't often with covid 19. If you have to give a nebulizer must be in a negative pressure room; and if you can, instruct the patient on how to start it after you leave the room.

Do not use steroids, it makes this worse. Push out to your urgent cares to stop their usual practice of steroid shots for their URI/bronchitis.

We are currently out of Versed, Fentanyl, and intermittently Propofol. Get the dosing of Precedex and Nimbex back in your heads.

One of my colleagues who is a 31 yo old female who graduated residency last may with no health problems and normal BMI is out with the symptoms and an SaO2 of 92%. She will be the first of many.

I PPE best I have. I do wear a MaxAir PAPR the entire shift. I do not take it off to eat or drink during the shift. I undress in the garage and go straight to the shower. My wife and kids fled to her parents outside Hattiesburg. The stress and exposure at work coupled with the isolation at home is trying. But everyone is going through something right now. Everyone is scared; patients and employees. But we are the leaders of that emergency room. Be nice to your nurses and staff. Show by example how to tackle this crisis head on. Good luck to us all.

TL;DR - Roughly an 80% death rate if you’re on a vent. Fluids and steroids can actually fuck you up worse. Stuff seems scary, but a majority of people recover from this stuff okay. Stay strong, kiwis ❤

80% death rate on a vent isn't surprising, and I doubt it's really anything unique to the virus itself. If as said it's corona-induced ARDS that gets patients stuck on a vent, you've got like 50% chances of survival just from that, which goes down the longer the patient is on it. Add in the complications of a sickness like Coronavirus, and they're probably not getting off the vent for 2 weeks at least, which is dire for survival rates. Aggressive treatment in getting the gunk out of the lungs and getting the patient off of the vent as quickly as possible improves the chances of survival.
 
I feel worse for teens and young adults (15-25 or so). An economic downturn would be catastrophic for them, with lifelong repercussions. They probably have even more student loan debt than the benighted 2008 college grad millennials. In contrast, little kids have a decade's worth of insulation.

A bad economy will dampen your childhood, but you can ride the upswing as a young adult. Meanwhile, the 19-year-old who never got a "real" job is now 40+ with a nuclear resume and triple digit debt.
It feels really good to be the 1 guy out of the class that didnt go to college. Most of the young adults I know of are deep in college debt, and for any graduating in the spring this whole situation is going to fuck them hard, because those debts wont wait. College is a fucking scam 90% of the time I swear. But they cant say we didnt warn them....

That being said, I also know a LOT of young adults who are in debt for dumbass reasons. New phones bought on credit, ditto for cars, living just within their means, no savings. This also goes for the 26-50 demographic. I know of several who cannot take the financial hit from this, even with government jobs with guaranteed income the utter lack of OT is going to BTFO their financials. I can specifically think of a guy who treats all debt from banks as free $$$ and thinking paying off debt early or avoiding debt is "giving away free money". Yes this dude is in his mid 50s, and yes watching him freak the fuck out on social media has been nothing but entertaining, because the payments are merely delayed, not canceled, and without OT all those costs are going to rape his ass.

I marvel at the sheer number of adults that couldnt maintain their households without an income for a single month. Am I the only young guy that has 6 months of expenses saved up?

Rate me optimistic, but perhaps, much like how spanish flu convinced most people the medical system wasnt invincible, this might finally convince some young people that debt is actually a REALLY bad thing, and even when managed well it can fuck you.

80% death rate on a vent isn't surprising, and I doubt it's really anything unique to the virus itself. If as said it's corona-induced ARDS that gets patients stuck on a vent, you've got like 50% chances of survival just from that, which goes down the longer the patient is on it. Add in the complications of a sickness like Coronavirus, and they're probably not getting off the vent for 2 weeks at least, which is dire for survival rates. Aggressive treatment in getting the gunk out of the lungs and getting the patient off of the vent as quickly as possible improves the chances of survival.
Yeah, its really not far off from H1N1 ICU death rates. Something like 50% H1N1 patients that were hospitalized needed ICU care, and the vast majority of those died.

The difference was that H1N1 didnt put anymore people in the hospital then regular flu did, it just infected more. A quarter million were sent to hospital over 10 months in the US. Corona sends fewer % to ICU then H1N1 did, but overall hospitalization is WAY higher. That's why hydrochloroquine is so hopeful as a medication, merely cutting hospitalization time in half and reducing severity of pneumonia symptoms goes a LONG way to making this disease more manageable.
 
OH NO !! NOT ALL MY TOILET PAPERINO !

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This load of toilet paper got wiped out.

A tractor-trailer hauling a shipment of the hot coronavirus commodity crashed near Dallas early on Wednesday and caught fire, singeing thousands of rolls and spilling the rest all over an interstate, officials said.

The load of commercial toilet paper, typically used in stores, restaurants and other businesses, “burned extensively,” according to Dallas TV station WFAA.

The driver and his dog were not injured.

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This is clearly the end times folks, the Toilet papers preppers were right.

 
OH NO !! NOT ALL MY TOILET PAPERINO !

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This load of toilet paper got wiped out.

A tractor-trailer hauling a shipment of the hot coronavirus commodity crashed near Dallas early on Wednesday and caught fire, singeing thousands of rolls and spilling the rest all over an interstate, officials said.

The load of commercial toilet paper, typically used in stores, restaurants and other businesses, “burned extensively,” according to Dallas TV station WFAA.


The driver and his dog were not injured.

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This is clearly the end times folks, the Toilet papers preppers were right.

>STREET VALUE: $42 MILLION
 
I feel worse for teens and young adults (15-25 or so). An economic downturn would be catastrophic for them, with lifelong repercussions. They probably have even more student loan debt than the benighted 2008 college grad millennials. In contrast, little kids have a decade's worth of insulation.

A bad economy will dampen your childhood, but you can ride the upswing as a young adult. Meanwhile, the 19-year-old who never got a "real" job is now 40+ with a nuclear resume and triple digit debt.

Not if we slaughter the ruling class and take their wealth for ourselves.
 
Sorry if someone already mentionned it, but a Wuhan writer takes on the CCP and become a online star. https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-wuha...achine-and-becomes-an-online-star-11585733403


How long before she dies due to "Corona-chan" or by "accident"?
Maybe a week or two, but she goes out a winner. The CCP gets whacked again. Just a big bunch of pussies, can't handle criticism. And in this way, the CCP plants the seeds of its' own demise.

The CCP has lost the propaganda war. Hell, they are the gang that couldn't even shoot straight. Sending defective medical supplies to Europe - what genius thought that up? They didn't think those supplies would be checked? And watching Chinese police fight each other? You've got to be shitting me.

When you add the current and pending economic dislocation in China, plus foreign concerns pulling out, that's not a good thing.

The CCP is brittle. They are uniting a lot of the world against them due to this act of war against humanity. The USA, UK, France, Italy, Spain, and other countries are being hit hard but their resiliency is greater than China's.

The CCP has sown the wind, domestically and internationally. In due time, the CCP will reap the whirlwind.
 
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