Lolcow Melinda Leigh Scott & Marshall Castersen - Sue-happy couple. Flat earth conspiracists. Pretending to be Jewish. Believe Kiwi Farms is protected by the Masonic Order. 0-6 on lawsuits. Marshall is dead.

[TamarYaelBatYah]

"Evil" as a concept originated in the Proto-Indo-Europeans out of eastern Persia/India (not Africa, the bed of the Israelites) which is why they made the fucking word. The word evolved and mutated until we got to "evil" in the English language. I gave you the complete etymological summary of the fucking word, including where it came from. How the fuck did Hebrews that lived a continent away invent a concept that the Proto-Indo-Europeans already had a word for you pseudo-intellectual cunt. I refuse to budge on the topic.

Evil is a word from the Indo-European language family and describes a concept invented by the Proto-Indo-Europeans. It is not a word from the Afro-Asiatic family and the Hebrews in no way shaped the Indo-European language. Hittite and Biblical Hebrew were not mutually intelligible. I have provided a SIGNIFICANT amount of evidence that you're wrong as shit. Now go ahead and try to prove me wrong with evidence.

I find it extremely convenient that you beg for a real debate and real evidence and as soon as you accidentally stumble into a linguistic autist's lair you go "lmao you are dumb Hebrews invented the idea" and provide NO FUCKING EVIDENCE AT ALL.

Didn't beg for shit, you brought me into it invoking moral arguments against me from the start. Learn to find POINT A correctly.

Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of the human story. The concept of Evil[ רַע] starts at Genesis 2:9, long before any Persia ever existed. Elohim is the author and originator of Hebrew, and existed from Eternity. All other languages came after.

Your "evidence" is not historically accurate

Fun Fact: The first written language wasn't Hebrew. Studies point to it actually being Sumerian, with the oldest evidence of such dating back to approximately 3500BC, whereas Hebrew originates from around 1000BC. While Hebrew may be old, various languages do predate it. You are objectively wrong here.

Also, this isn't about you being a fucking pacifist. This is about you being angry and sad and a spurious litigant. As you would say, LEARN TO FIND POINT A.
And if you think us making fun of your ass is harassment, your various threats of death and curses is the equivalent of verbal rape.

That's called EYE for EYE, not verbal rape. Learn to find POINT A.

[citation needed]

FIFY.
@TamarYaelBatYah so, you claim that Hebrew was the first language? What's your evidence for this? You have made an assertion that Hebrew is the first language. The burden of proof is on you to defend your assertion.

Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of human history. Gen. 1:3 states Elohim SPOKE the world into being. It states that They SPOKE it in Hebrew. Elohim is the beginning of all. Elohim speaks Hebrew. Hebrew was the first language, from eternity.

Literally and objectively wrong. But go ahead, keep doubling down. That's one of those behaviors of yours that we observe that's strongly correlative of narcissistic personality disorder.



No one is saying you are obligated to do anything. What most people here are doing is giving good advice.



We are not invading your privacy. We are discussing events that have been made publicly visible and thus fair game. Sometimes you are the ones making that information public, even.



This is an excellent example of pure semantic word games. You hold yourself out as a scholar of, but not an authority on, the subject on which you profess to be a scholar.
But anyways, thanks for letting us all know you're no authority on any of the subject you have tried to speak about.



You're also not morally obligated to draw unneeded attention to yourself, and yet here you are.



On numerous occasions you have been wrong or failed at something EG your lawsuits, and you have made many excuses for why you weren't actually wrong or didn't actually lose.



You literally provide me with an example here by even refusing to consider actual blame. Any blame must be false blame to you.



It's not hard for me to handle the concept that you might be superior. Likewise, it's not hard for me to consider that the earth could be flat. But both scenarios are patently false so it's even easier for me to dismiss them both.



Melinda, you are literally acting in excactly the behavior I was describing. Your writing grows exceptionally terse, with very short sentences, needless capitlization, underlining, repeating of the same phrase, escalation of statements, repetitions of the phrases you rely on when you get angry. Your attempted refutation is itself a perfect proof. Your incompetence really is my greatest ally in any argument with you.



Oh, no. No it was not, and it has not existed eternally. I know you wish it was so, just like you wish you were actually j.ewish and not a j.ew for jesus, but no, Hebrew is far from the first language. We actually know quite a lot about the development of hebrew as a language and as a culture. Elohim, as a very relevant example, originates from when the hebrew tribes were multitheistic, referring to a gathering of gods, led by El. Elohim was the pantheon, essentially "El and ilk."

But Hebrew is far from the first written or spoken language and is not responsible for either the word or the origin of the idea of evil.

Oh, and



called it. You're very predictable, Melinda.

My writing is nothing more than visually organized using italics, underline, bold and capital letters. It's called ORGANIZED thinking.

Proof is Tamara's favorite concept as long as she can demand it from other people and doesn't have to provide it herself.

Incorrect. PROOF of moral argument/philosophy/assertion is different than asking for proof of someone's personal life. One is called sound debate. The other is just being plain fucking nosey.

Melinda, you can't disagree with facts, that's not how it works mateView attachment 1211688

So a bunch of misogynistic, patriarchal, mostly uneducated, pagan people down rated an [educated, non-sexist, Torah worldview, female with matriarchal elements] in her family.

And this is supposed to surprise me?

 

[White Baby]

Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of human history. Gen. 1:3 states Elohim SPOKE the world into being. It states that They SPOKE it in Hebrew. Elohim is the beginning of all. Elohim speaks Hebrew. Hebrew was the first language, from eternity.

i haven't slept in 24 hours so bear with me here but i think that the NIV is actually suggesting english was the first language. because i sure as FUCK do not see 'hebrew' anywhere in here

 

[Adamska]

The hilarity of you trying to pretend you can soundly debate anything is hilarious, given that when faced with how the scriptures you use as an excuse for being an abusive and stupid narcissist denounces your own behavior, you tard screeched and cried them away. No amount of mental gymnastics will negate this occuring Melinda.

Literally everyone here knows you're a sociopathic narcissist who would rather peacock online than guarantee a home for her kids; everyone knows you can't debate worth a shit and will dispute all results that violates your delusional sense of reality. We're just doing it because you are literally too retarded to leave this site and let this thread lie fallow.

 

[Burmese Rice Farmer]

Didn't beg for shit, you brought me into it invoking moral arguments against me from the start. Learn to find POINT A correctly.

Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of the human story. The concept of Evil[ רַע] starts at Genesis 2:9, long before any Persia ever existed. Elohim is the author and originator of Hebrew, and existed from Eternity. All other languages came after.

Your "evidence" is not historically accurate





That's called EYE for EYE, not verbal rape. Learn to find POINT A.







Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of human history. Gen. 1:3 states Elohim SPOKE the world into being. It states that They SPOKE it in Hebrew. Elohim is the beginning of all. Elohim speaks Hebrew. Hebrew was the first language, from eternity.




My writing is nothing more than visually organized using italics, underline, bold and capital letters. It's called ORGANIZED thinking.




Incorrect. PROOF of moral argument/philosophy/assertion is different than asking for proof of someone's personal life. One is called sound debate. The other is just being plain fucking nosey.





So a bunch of misogynistic, patriarchal, mostly uneducated, pagan people down rated an [educated, non-sexist, Torah worldview, female with matriarchal elements] in her family.

And this is supposed to surprise me?

Bitch, just admit you were wrong about Hebrew not being the first language, it's an objective fact, like your piglet sticking up the wrong finger. And of course you believe in the flawed "eye for an eye" mentality, you're a J.ew that probably still believes in the Code of Hammurabi. If that is the case, pay me the fucking 8 gur you owe for my rice farming services.

Also, what the fuck was that garbage sentence before the last? I have literally no idea what you were trying to say, it's so fucking broken, like your native language isn't even English.

 

[LoverofPi]

Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of the human story. The concept of Evil[ רַע] starts at Genesis 2:9, long before any Persia ever existed. Elohim is the author and originator of Hebrew, and existed from Eternity. All other languages came after.

Again, wrong. Genesis 1:1 is a creation story, at best metaphorical, at worst completely wrong, and humans aren't even involved for several chapters.

Your "evidence" is not historically accurate

Irony, they name is Melinda. Or Tamar. Or Ruth. You know what, I'mma stick with Melinda. It's your legal name.
Anyways, Genesis is not a historically accurate book. Yes, I know you're a young earth creationist and you hate to be told that, but it's true. Genesis is not a historical text at all. While there are some elements of it that can be useful for historians, not it nor any other book of the torah/ bible/ quran/ other assorted judeo-christian text you'd like to insert here are reliable historical records.

My writing is nothing more than visually organized using italics, underline, bold and capital letters. It's called ORGANIZED thinking.

No writing analysis would call your writing there organized. It would call it obsessed, unhinged, unhealthily fixated, perhaps. Maybe point out the short sentences and excessive capitalization as key signs of barely and then later uncontrolled anger, point out that your use of multiple formatting with single words calls forth the idea of a loss of control rather than a constrained and deliberate emphasis. Futher analysis would look to previous instances when your writing took on similar characteristics, note emerging patterns, come to an educated conclusion, and state your writing was a clear instance of a disordered mind, of a control freak losing control, losing her cool, and lashing out.
They would then call you a narcissist. Possibly just to see you get apoplectic and imagine your face turning a funny color as you fume.

Incorrect. PROOF of moral argument/philosophy/assertion is different than asking for proof of someone's personal life. One is called sound debate. The other is just being plain fucking nosey.

You still refuse to provide proof of your claims about either, so there's no difference there.

 

[Kosher Salt]

The first man and woman to ever exist, Adam and Eve, are found in the first book of Melinda's beloved toilet paper, Genesis. Genesis is written in, you guessed it, Hebrew. Checkmate, Atheists!

Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of human history. Gen. 1:3 states Elohim SPOKE the world into being. It states that They SPOKE it in Hebrew. Elohim is the beginning of all. Elohim speaks Hebrew. Hebrew was the first language, from eternity.

True to form, the fool came along to show us her shit-smeared toilet paper, just as I predicted she would.

 

[Ars Goetia]

Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of human history. Gen. 1:3 states Elohim SPOKE the world into being. It states that They SPOKE it in Hebrew. Elohim is the beginning of all. Elohim speaks Hebrew. Hebrew was the first language, from eternity.

For someone who is so enthusiastic about Hebrew you clearly haven't properly studied your own holy book in it. בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית which is commonly translated as "in the beginning" lacks the definite article ה and is thus more correctly translated as "when." This is also the case in the Greek LXX. As such, Genesis 1:1 is actually a clause dependent on Genesis 1:2. Furthermore, the word בָּרָא (Usually translated as created ) is more accurately seen as an assigning of new function or of transformation and not material creation. This can be seen through its usage in Psalm 51:10, Isiah 57:19, and Isiah 65:18. The word תֹּהוּ (usually translated as formless) can be seen in the context of its 20 or so other mentions in the Old Testament/Torah as referring to refer to a lack of purpose, a lack productivity, or to untamed land. Putting all these points together, a more correct Hebrew to English translation of the beginning of Genesis would roughly be:

(1:1) When God assigned function (or more elegantly 'brought order') to the heavens and the Earth (1:2) the Earth was unproductive and without purpose (1:3) And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

From that you can see that Earth and the heavens both already existed for an unspecified period before God's first action in Genesis 1:3. As such the beginning of Genesis isn't establishing how the universe was created but how God ordered his creation afterward. In fact, bringing order to an already existent chaos is what most ancient creation myths were concerned with such as in the Atra-Hasis, Enûma Eliš, or the Sumerian creation myth. Material creation was not the point of these stories.

If you want more proof of this being the case in Genesis then look at 1:5 which defines light by its purpose of creating day and darkness for its role in bringing night. If Genesis was indeed reporting the creation of these concepts ex nihilo then why is light not simply left as light rather than being further defined by its function as day? For another example look at Genesis 1:10-11. Land is assigned the role of earth which is itself assigned the function of bringing forth vegetation and fruit. In each case, God does not materially change the light or the earth but yet still "creates" something new.

One final point, in Jeremiah 4:23 Israel is made תֹּהוּ and בֹּהוּ as in "formless and void." Do you suppose that the Assyrians literally annihilated the land of Israel from existence? Or is it more logical to assume that Israel instead became disordered and purposeless?

For all your sperging about the Hebrew language and Genesis, its amazing how little you have examined the text. If I were like you and believed in defiance of all science and logic that earth was created a few thousand years ago, I would want to make damn sure that that was actually what my holy book was claiming. I've read through a significant amount of this thread and know that this argument won't change your mind. All I really want is to leave you with a stone in your shoe.

 

[Sir Dank-a-Lot]

Didn't beg for shit, you brought me into it invoking moral arguments against me from the start. Learn to find POINT A correctly.

Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of the human story. The concept of Evil[ רַע] starts at Genesis 2:9, long before any Persia ever existed. Elohim is the author and originator of Hebrew, and existed from Eternity. All other languages came after.

Your "evidence" is not historically accurate





That's called EYE for EYE, not verbal rape. Learn to find POINT A.







Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of human history. Gen. 1:3 states Elohim SPOKE the world into being. It states that They SPOKE it in Hebrew. Elohim is the beginning of all. Elohim speaks Hebrew. Hebrew was the first language, from eternity.




My writing is nothing more than visually organized using italics, underline, bold and capital letters. It's called ORGANIZED thinking.




Incorrect. PROOF of moral argument/philosophy/assertion is different than asking for proof of someone's personal life. One is called sound debate. The other is just being plain fucking nosey.





So a bunch of misogynistic, patriarchal, mostly uneducated, pagan people down rated an [educated, non-sexist, Torah worldview, female with matriarchal elements] in her family.

And this is supposed to surprise me?

You are a fucking moron. I think I lost an IQ point reading that. Another 100 and my IQ will be the same as yours.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Didn't beg for shit, you brought me into it invoking moral arguments against me from the start. Learn to find POINT A correctly.

Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of the human story. The concept of Evil[ רַע] starts at Genesis 2:9, long before any Persia ever existed. Elohim is the author and originator of Hebrew, and existed from Eternity. All other languages came after.

Your "evidence" is not historically accurate





That's called EYE for EYE, not verbal rape. Learn to find POINT A.







Genesis 1:1 is The Beginning of human history. Gen. 1:3 states Elohim SPOKE the world into being. It states that They SPOKE it in Hebrew. Elohim is the beginning of all. Elohim speaks Hebrew. Hebrew was the first language, from eternity.




My writing is nothing more than visually organized using italics, underline, bold and capital letters. It's called ORGANIZED thinking.




Incorrect. PROOF of moral argument/philosophy/assertion is different than asking for proof of someone's personal life. One is called sound debate. The other is just being plain fucking nosey.





So a bunch of misogynistic, patriarchal, mostly uneducated, pagan people down rated an [educated, non-sexist, Torah worldview, female with matriarchal elements] in her family.

And this is supposed to surprise me?

I don't accept the Torah as accurate historical record. I want actual evidence. And Persia and India are used as geographical references you fucking goon. Holy shit I can't believe you don't understand this.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Should I mention that Hebrew is based on two other languages? If it was the original language, why is it based on others that came before it?

 

[Toasty]

I wouldn't try to do a presentation on how to do professional cake making if I wasn't an expert in the field.

I don't think Nick rekieta sp? Was giving a presentation on federal case law. He was making an entertainment video offering his opinion and commentary on some of your legal actions. His statement and not being an expert on federal case law was pretty much just an honest disclaimer that he doesn't know everything and doesn't pretend to.
Would you have been more comfortable and NOT seen "red flags" if he had swanned in proclaiming to know everything about every legal code in every state, as well as federal? I most certainly would, because it would obviously be bullshit, and no one in their right mind would say that.
I found his disclaimer honest and humble. Two concepts that seem alien to you. No wonder it made you uncomfortable.

 

[Spergichu]

Are you going to buy a shirt and help support the site you spend so much time on, @TamarYaelBatYah?

 

[TamarYaelBatYah]

For someone who is so enthusiastic about Hebrew you clearly haven't properly studied your own holy book in it. בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית which is commonly translated as "in the beginning" lacks the definite article ה and is thus more correctly translated as "when." This is also the case in the Greek LXX. As such, Genesis 1:1 is actually a clause dependent on Genesis 1:2. Furthermore, the word בָּרָא (Usually translated as created ) is more accurately seen as an assigning of new function or of transformation and not material creation. This can be seen through its usage in Psalm 51:10, Isiah 57:19, and Isiah 65:18. The word תֹּהוּ (usually translated as formless) can be seen in the context of its 20 or so other mentions in the Old Testament/Torah as referring to refer to a lack of purpose, a lack productivity, or to untamed land. Putting all these points together, a more correct Hebrew to English translation of the beginning of Genesis would roughly be:

(1:1) When God assigned function (or more elegantly 'brought order') to the heavens and the Earth (1:2) the Earth was unproductive and without purpose (1:3) And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

From that you can see that Earth and the heavens both already existed for an unspecified period before God's first action in Genesis 1:3. As such the beginning of Genesis isn't establishing how the universe was created but how God ordered his creation afterward. In fact, bringing order to an already existent chaos is what most ancient creation myths were concerned with such as in the Atra-Hasis, Enûma Eliš, or the Sumerian creation myth. Material creation was not the point of these stories.

If you want more proof of this being the case in Genesis then look at 1:5 which defines light by its purpose of creating day and darkness for its role in bringing night. If Genesis was indeed reporting the creation of these concepts ex nihilo then why is light not simply left as light rather than being further defined by its function as day? For another example look at Genesis 1:10-11. Land is assigned the role of earth which is itself assigned the function of bringing forth vegetation and fruit. In each case, God does not materially change the light or the earth but yet still "creates" something new.

One final point, in Jeremiah 4:23 Israel is made תֹּהוּ and בֹּהוּ as in "formless and void." Do you suppose that the Assyrians literally annihilated the land of Israel from existence? Or is it more logical to assume that Israel instead became disordered and purposeless?

For all your sperging about the Hebrew language and Genesis, its amazing how little you have examined the text. If I were like you and believed in defiance of all science and logic that earth was created a few thousand years ago, I would want to make damn sure that that was actually what my holy book was claiming. I've read through a significant amount of this thread and know that this argument won't change your mind. All I really want is to leave you with a stone in your shoe.

You're sharing information I first learned in 2005 in a College level Hebrew class. It's completely egoist of you to assume that you are the first place I've heard the info from.

and you could have saved yourself a lot of time by reading what I actually wrote. I wrote BEGINNING OF HUMAN HISTORY

Learn to read before responding

 

[Burmese Rice Farmer]

You're sharing information I first learned in 2005 in a College level Hebrew class. It's completely egoist of you to assume that you are the first place I've heard the info from.

and you could have saved yourself a lot of time by reading what I actually wrote. I wrote BEGINNING OF HUMAN HISTORY

Learn to read before responding

Hebrew hasn't been around since the beginning of human history, any religious book like the Torah, Quran, or Bible cannot be used to portray history dude

and if you actually understand Hebrew, type us some Hebrew, no doubt someone here can verify it's accuracy

 

[Ars Goetia]

You're sharing information I first learned in 2005 in a College level Hebrew class. It's completely egoist of you to assume that you are the first place I've heard the info from.

and you could have saved yourself a lot of time by reading what I actually wrote. I wrote BEGINNING OF HUMAN HISTORY

Learn to read before responding

You may want to take your own advice. My point was, and I'll make it more explicit here, that Genesis is not depicting an absolute beginning. Thus even if you argue it to be the beginning of human history, that isn't the beginning of God's history. Ignoring the historical evidence and going by your own logic on why Hebrew is the first language, you have no theological basis for that. God and the angels could have been speaking Esperanto for the past however long before Genesis and suddenly decided to learn Hebrew.

Edit: Actually, I'll go one step further. What in Genesis do you believe indicates that it is portraying the beginning of human history?

 

[LoverofPi]

You're sharing information I first learned in 2005 in a College level Hebrew class. It's completely egoist of you to assume that you are the first place I've heard the info from.

and you could have saved yourself a lot of time by reading what I actually wrote. I wrote BEGINNING OF HUMAN HISTORY

Learn to read before responding

Genesis is not the beginning of human history. Hebrew as a language is at best around 3,000 or so years old. Written language is at least 5,000 years old. Human civilization has been traced to at least 12,000 years ago.

You are objectively wrong, and ignoring us does not change that.

Actually, here's another good point about Melinda's general nature. Out of all the responses regarding the history of the language, the existence of civilization before hebrew writing, etc. Melinda decides to repond solely to the one response that argues against her worldview via possible interpretations of the text, and even then only to shout "I ALREADY KNEW THAT, TRY TALKING ABOUT [The thing everyone else did try talking about]!" She provided no counter argument, no counter evidence, and ignored all the more concrete archeological and archeolinguistic arguments put to her.

 

[redcent]

She had college level hebrew class? What for?

Afaik she only had a degree in parks and recreation or someshit.

Maybe this is all a larp and Ruth has been lying about "following the torah" and this has been a ruse the entire time

 

[Burmese Rice Farmer]

She had college level hebrew class? What for?

Afaik she only had a degree in parks and recreation or someshit.

Maybe this is all a larp and Ruth has been lying about "following the torah" and this has been a ruse the entire time

I mean tbf, taking a language course can be useful to some extent...

if you pursue it for more than one course.

Assuming she only took one class (which I feel is likely, I think she'd probably give up on Hebrew quickly), that's only a semester of classes, and I'm gonna take some liberties to assume her schedule with that class being three times a week as an hour long class. In total, for a 16-week semester as is average on most campuses, that's like 48 hours for a beginner's course. The average time for fluency in Hebrew according to language difficulty rankings for native English speakers is about 1100 hours, meaning she's likely not learned much more than basic conjugation, simple words and terms, and the alphabet.

If what i'm guessing is right she doesn't know shit about Hebrew and it was probably just to fill a quota to count as a full time student or for a scholarship that pitied her enough.

And I could only wish this was some master trolling plan, but unless they're as retarded as what they're roleplaying as, this is too long and too stupid to be dedicated to the bit.

 

[Adamska]

Learn to read before responding

*laughs*

Take your own advice, because if you did this thread wouldn't fucking exist.

As for the claim on taking classes for Hebrew, since she's a dishonest narcissist, I'm assuming "online courses" from some useless website or just having Google Translate open or something.

 

[TamarYaelBatYah]

*laughs*

Take your own advice, because if you did this thread wouldn't fucking exist.

As for the claim on taking classes for Hebrew, since she's a dishonest narcissist, I'm assuming "online courses" from some useless website or just having Google Translate open or something.

Another tantrum from team Patriarchy. PASS

You may want to take your own advice. My point was, and I'll make it more explicit here, that Genesis is not depicting an absolute beginning. Thus even if you argue it to be the beginning of human history, that isn't the beginning of God's history. Ignoring the historical evidence and going by your own logic on why Hebrew is the first language, you have no theological basis for that. God and the angels could have been speaking Esperanto for the past however long before Genesis and suddenly decided to learn Hebrew.

Edit: Actually, I'll go one step further. What in Genesis do you believe indicates that it is portraying the beginning of human history?

I never once made the claim it was the beginning of all history. That's why I said HUMAN HISTORY. Genesis 1 clearly records the history of how humans began to inhabit the earth.

There is evidence right there in Genesis 1:3 that Elohim spoke Hebrew. Elohim spoke Hebrew to Adam and Chavah too.