Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Ponderous Pillock]

I don't blame the military for being prepared, but is China really retarted enough to try something right now? You can bet they're still deeper in chaos than anyone, even if they won't release the numbers.

Even with all the recent chintz and rearming the PLA has done as well as the rumour that they have retrained large parts of their military along USMC lines the PLA is still a hilarious paper tiger that's never won a war in its history. Its mostly a civic engineering body that builds shit when called on by Beijing.

It could try to invade Taiwan, but god knows if it'd actually manage anything. It's more likely to have a spot of adventurism in the south china sea.

 

[JosephStalin]

Stars and Stripes just published this on the Theodore Roosevelt situation.

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You know, if the Navy wanted to get rid of the captain for making them look bad, there was so many ways they could have done it that didnt involve...making them look bad. Like jesus, have him report to the CNOs office for a reprimand, wait 6 months to shuffle him off to a desk on shore to await inevitable retirement.

Definitely scratching my head at the decision to just up and relieve him from Duty post haste. It's going to make the investigation into this a shit show. Not a good look for the navy.

Also believe there should be an investigation as to why the captain's previous requests didn't seem to be honored or even addressed. The captain knew his career was over when his letter hit the media. The Navy believed the captain made the Navy look bad, which is the ultimate crime in the military, even worse than pissing off the command. Investigation will go nowhere, but the captain did the right thing by his people and by his ship.

Also thought the Navy would wait a few months before relieving him of command. But when the Navy pulls someone off a ship, they don't fuck around. Needs to be a very strong justification for pulling a guy/gal out of command. Remember, they chose this guy/gal to command in the first place. However, he won't face Uniform Code of Military Justice action. Nothing he did went against the UCMJ. The captain will retire. Likely he may end up working for the Navy in some capacity as a civilian or working as a contractor to the Navy.

 

[Otterly]

I'm not anymore. You simply can't and won't stay in the state of panic for weeks. It's psychologically impossible.

It is interesting to watch people’s reactions to the whole thing. People I know seem to have fallen into one of three camps:

1. practical approach. Most of the older people I know are here. They’re staying home and getting on with it. I know a couple at extremely high risk who have asked me for advice on avoiding contagion, are following it and meeting it all with dark humour, even though I know they are worried. And also most medics, nurses, and associates professions I know. They’re worried but they just get on with it.
2. total denial - just a flu bro. This group getting smaller by the day. Mainly young, no kids., mainly the demographic that will be hit lightly.
3. Shrieking hysteria, organising campaigns for the government to Do More. This is mainly women in their 30s-50s, the overachieving social media addicts who are used to getting whatever they want. They seem almost traumatised by the fact that the response isn’t tailored to them personally. None of them are high risk, or working in high exposure occupations, which I find interesting. ALL of them didn’t take early reports seriously and are now armchair experts.

I think you find out a lot about people’s character in times of crisis and hardship.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

It could try to invade Taiwan, but god knows if it'd actually manage anything. It's more likely to have a spot of adventurism in the south china sea.

If China tries to invade Taiwan and the Taiwanese government decides to fight it will be a shitshow for China. There was an exercise called the Millennium Challenge in 2002 that showed Iran could devastate a US fleet with antiship missiles and small boats. Well if Iran could do it to the US, Taiwan could certainly do something similar to a Chinese invasion force. The only way China is going to be able to take over Taiwan is if they can get a Taiwanese government to surrender. Just like the only way in retrospect German could have taken over the UK in 1940 would be if they could bluff the UK government into surrendering. There's no sign of that happening in Taiwan, in fact, they just re-elected the DPP, the most hawkish party when it comes to China. I also think the US and Japan would send Aegis ships to intercept Chinese short-range ballistic missiles aimed at Taiwanese airstrips. All of which would mean that Beijing would know that trying to escalate would lead to WWIII. The Baltic States and Russia are in a much dicier situation, Putin has a record of doing some really reckless things in both Ukraine and Georgia and invalidating NATO's article V is a plausible long term goal of his foreign policy.

3. Shrieking hysteria, organising campaigns for the government to Do More. This is mainly women in their 30s-50s, the overachieving social media addicts who are used to getting whatever they want. They seem almost traumatised by the fact that the response isn’t tailored to them personally. None of them are high risk, or working in high exposure occupations, which I find interesting. ALL of them didn’t take early reports seriously and are now armchair experts.

The sad thing is that 3. are the people who make up the media, and that makes the media almost completely useless at a time when it would be good to know how long the lockdown is likely to last.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

Yeah so if your pretty boats aren't set up to function during a pandemic then don't send them out to cities that are experiencing, you know, a shitload of sick patients who need treatment during a pandemic. From what I hear the Navy has its own issues with sailors coming down with bat flu so maybe this precious major Navy asset should have been utilized to treat sick Navy sailors.

No they aren't for pandemic, they're military assets, they're for dealing with hospitalizations you'd expect military members to undergo during their service. I just want to make sure that I'm understanding what your lone neuron shat onto this thread. The situation is so bad in NYC that help should be turned down because it's not doing so recklessly. Got it. If help can be afforded to be turned away than any little bit helps, even if it's slow to start because we all know by this point that large sea vessels haven't been a blight on this epidemic.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

This is something that surprised me a bit.
I haven't been actively looking , but I've not seen any articles criticising the response teams for not being diverse enough.
The top medical advisors are very often "Pale, Male and Stale", and it's being accepted because deep down , when faced wth an actual crisis, people do understand that jobs should be filled on merit, not diversity quotas.
In normal times there's a constant background noise of insistence that forced diversity is more important than the core mission.

Spoiler: Off topic example

Top Marine says ‘immediate execution’ items include more gender integration, smarter grunts and changes to parental leave for adoptive, same-sex parents

These are the

www.marinecorpstimes.com

archive

As recently as last month , the Marine Corps commandant thought that forcing through female infantry officers and parental leave for gay parents was a higher priority than planning for action against China.

So, anyone seen any hot Vice/Buzzfeed/Slate takes to prove me wrong?

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https://archive.li/VaJKe

Quoting myself here, Slap47 has found a minor example, but it's just a tweet from a nobody.
This is actually quite heartening.
I guess they'll wait till dust has settled and leap in with 20/20 hindsight.

 

[Mikoyan]

From what I've seen, it sounds like Detroit is also going to eat shit hard over this outbreak. Any Motor City Kiwis here that can confirm this?

It's going to be bad in the city, and you can see that in the statistics. Wayne county (the not-actually-Detroit parts) are pretty bad. Oakland is bad but not terrible... And it really came to light when the county released per-zipcode stats and the high intensity areas were all basically 'the places people moved out of the ghetto into'.

I don't want to turn it into 'it's the blacks lololol' but they're certainly over-represented in the data and it's easy to guess why - poor, bad health statistics, mostly service sector jobs that require a lot of in person contact and intensely active family/social contact. Not being in the city at all I don't know how the downtown core's responding but the resurgence there was always kind of a veneer - if things get as bad as they look like they might it could lead to another hollowing out of downtown.

 

[Home Again]

Sharing a tool: Google launched a "Community Mobility Report" comparing anonymous™ mobility data by Retail, Grocery, Parks, Transit, Work, and Residential. Some only show the country level, but many drill down pretty far to province/ state/ county/ district. China isn't represented, shocking.

COVID-19 Community Mobility Report

See how your community is moving around differently due to COVID-19

www.google.com

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

Caveman brain no understand how archive work.
With that said, Mexico is on the threshold of catastrophe. I imagine there’s going to be way less open border shills after this is all said and done.

Mexico murder rate reaches new high as violence rages amid Covid-19 spread

March sees 2,585 homicides – highest monthly figure on record – as country tries to pour resources into containing coronavirus

www.theguardian.com

 

[MrBlueSocks]

Archive of Guardian mexico article from post above

It is interesting to watch people’s reactions to the whole thing. People I know seem to have fallen into one of three camps:

1. practical approach. Most of the older people I know are here. They’re staying home and getting on with it. I know a couple at extremely high risk who have asked me for advice on avoiding contagion, are following it and meeting it all with dark humour, even though I know they are worried. And also most medics, nurses, and associates professions I know. They’re worried but they just get on with it.
2. total denial - just a flu bro. This group getting smaller by the day. Mainly young, no kids., mainly the demographic that will be hit lightly.
3. Shrieking hysteria, organising campaigns for the government to Do More. This is mainly women in their 30s-50s, the overachieving social media addicts who are used to getting whatever they want. They seem almost traumatised by the fact that the response isn’t tailored to them personally. None of them are high risk, or working in high exposure occupations, which I find interesting. ALL of them didn’t take early reports seriously and are now armchair experts.

I think you find out a lot about people’s character in times of crisis and hardship.

Point 1) Practical approach - this seems to be everybody I know, and near me. Middle aged, middle class suburbia. As I noted yesterday though, people are getting bored of the lockdown , and with the fantastic weather right now the open spaces and streets near me are really busy with people relaxing, walking, cycling . Technically complying with the distance rules, but with this many out there, there will be some transfer. It looks a lot more like a bank holiday than a plague city.

The bolded bit in point 3) is key I think. This is the first actual crisis for ages. Decades. So it's different to Instagtam virtue signalling for the super super important cause du jour, which is what they're used to . This has people taking large serious actions for the whole nation.

 

[XYZpdq]

the local test site that opened up their requirements didn't have any issue reported yesterday, today they ran out of their daily amount of tests after seven minutes

 

[Feline Supremacist]

No they aren't for pandemic, they're military assets, they're for dealing with hospitalizations you'd expect military members to undergo during their service. I just want to make sure that I'm understanding what your lone neuron shat onto this thread. The situation is so bad in NYC that help should be turned down because it's not doing so recklessly. Got it. If help can be afforded to be turned away than any little bit helps, even if it's slow to start because we all know by this point that large sea vessels haven't been a blight on this epidemic.

They're not helping if they can't take in and care for patients. You can't turn away that which was not given to begin with. I know you find a simple sentence difficult to comprehend but just read it slowly and maybe you'll get it. Just like you seem fixated on NYC and can't seem to grasp the exact same thing is happening 3000 miles away in Los Angeles.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

Considering the use of this software, I'd say this is ontopic:


Move Fast & Roll Your Own Crypto
https://citizenlab.ca/2020/04/move-...look-at-the-confidentiality-of-zoom-meetings/ (http://archive.vn/WNiE8)

This report examines the encryption that protects meetings in the popular Zoom teleconference app. We find that Zoom has “rolled their own” encryption scheme, which has significant weaknesses. In addition, we identify potential areas of concern in Zoom’s infrastructure, including observing the transmission of meeting encryption keys through China.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MPGw5Ucmwk8" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen>
thought I might shape, hope im not late and this works

Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPGw5Ucmwk8

Local archive

Crowder really irritates me personally, even if I don't disagree with him much politically. He just seems like a complete cunt.

This report examines the encryption that protects meetings in the popular Zoom teleconference app. We find that Zoom has “rolled their own” encryption scheme, which has significant weaknesses. In addition, we identify potential areas of concern in Zoom’s infrastructure, including observing the transmission of meeting encryption keys through China.

1. Infect stupid baizuo Westerners with a deadly virus causing them to lockdown by telling them it was racist to ban travel from China
2. Provide a free teleconferencing app which sends info back to China
3. Collect loads of useful data

Caveman brain no understand how archive work.
With that said, Mexico is on the threshold of catastrophe. I imagine there’s going to be way less open border shills after this is all said and done.

Mexico murder rate reaches new high as violence rages amid Covid-19 spread

March sees 2,585 homicides – highest monthly figure on record – as country tries to pour resources into containing coronavirus

www.theguardian.com

Just search for a snapshot or create one here or here. Or use a bookmarklet to do it.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...ico-murder-rate-homicide-coronavirus-covid-19

Also, a new Boris Johnson video. He still has a fever after 7 days and looks like crap to honest. Oh dear...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8mqzZ7mhwM

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

They're not helping if they can't take in and care for patients. You can't turn away that which was not given to begin with. I know you find a simple sentence difficult to comprehend but just read it slowly and maybe you'll get it. Just like you seem fixated on NYC and can't seem to grasp the exact same thing is happening 3000 miles away in Los Angeles.

They've already taken patients and are already taking more. What part of "extra necessary precautions means admission is slower" is too hard to understand?

 

[HonsPonzud]

Rolling out 5G when there is no football or any other entertaining on TV for normies are driving everyone crazy and shit is going down !

I don't know about all these conspiracies about 5G but the chinese towers are getting a rough time ! Hahahaha !

They already put 6 of them down ! This is the new national sport competition in the UK :

5G coronavirus conspiracists BURNING phone masts amid bizarre claim 'radiation' sparked killer bug

CONSPIRACY nuts are reportedly setting phone masts alight and targeting engineers after a bizarre claim 5G “radiation” caused the deadly coronavirus spread. The theory originated last m…

www.thesun.co.uk

Idiots ‘BURNING 5G masts’ after conspiracy that ‘radiation sparked co…

archived 3 Apr 2020 17:50:52 UTC

archive.li

5G MASTS BURNING DOWN ALL OVER, THE REVOLUTION BEGINS

This is another mast. This a outcry from the people i guess the 100 monkey effect has now too effect

www.youtube.com

We truely live in interesting times, but the fact they don't even ask the public their opinion on 5G and decided to install all these towers in the midst of the pandemic and activating 5G as soon as possible has driven people mad, there's more than a good number of alarming studies around that tech.

Also, after the news of UK receiving testing kits infected with covid19 from China , the general public might be fed up of anything China related among the feel that 5G could be potentially harmfull for the health already, so it just adds and adds and adds up i guess hahaha !

GOOD.

 

[SpEd Kaczynski]

From what I've seen, it sounds like Detroit is also going to eat shit hard over this outbreak. Any Motor City Kiwis here that can confirm this?

The good news is that the Henry Ford health system is using hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 in large numbers of people (maybe the most in the nation) so if hydroxychloroquine does end up helping things significantly, Detroit will have the edge there at least.

The bad news is that from what I've heard many people in Detroit seem to be really going out of their way to flaunt the social distancing rules, which is just making things worse. My sister-in-law lives in the city proper and she said that she is seeing people out and about in groups more than usual as if the residents are just giving a big Fuck You to the authorities telling them to social distance. She's crazy though so IDK.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

We truely live in interesting times, but the fact they don't even ask the public their opinion on 5G and decided to install all these towers in the midst of the pandemic and activating 5G as soon as possible has driven people mad, there's more than a good number of alarming studies around that tech.

In British apocalypse terms, we're now living in The Changes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190215235420/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Changes_(TV_series)

 

[Feline Supremacist]

They've already taken patients are already taking more. What part of "extra necessary precautions means admission is slower" is too hard to understand?

Both ships combined took in 40 patients, both boats have over 2000 beds available. LA has a population of 4 million, NYC a little over 8.5 million. It's such a tiny number of patients they might as well as not have taken any in. In the article I linked to earlier the ships have now changed their screening procedures so your concerns are moot.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

I don't know about all these conspiracies about 5G but the chinese towers are getting a rough time ! Hahahaha !

Here's some of the OG 5G coronavirus stuff, if anyone missed it:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-megathread.65421/page-536#post-6085350