Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Not Really Here]

Yeah. He's a big blubbering vagina, he shouldn't be in charge of a major US capital ship . Sending that info unclassified is serious enough. CCing in 2 dozen other people is clearly a bitch move to try and get things done his way.
Send that email protectively marked to your direct chain of command. Follow up that chain of command with urgency. DO NOT try playing normal office politics.

First , the situation wasn't that bad. he wasn't on fire and sinking.
Second, the article points out that he had another potential way to get things done at the expense of his career if he thought things were that bad, by phoning the defense secretary, bypassing his chain of command.

According to the Navy, they had been working on a plan for him for a week after his first report.
Not fast enough, do now!
What are the chances he's shooting for a commentary Orange Man Bad job at MSNBC?

You can read his letter here

Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy

The captain of a nuclear aircraft carrier docked in Guam with more than 100 coronavirus-infected sailors aboard pleaded Monday with U.S. Navy officials for more resources. Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, says the entire crew of more than 4,000 should be isolated to avoid possible...

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I do feel kind of bad for Crozier though. He did what he could to protect his crew, even though he probably knew he was gonna get canned for it by some cunt sitting behind a desk. Sometimes the captain has to walk the plank for the good of the crew I guess.

I read it. Smells like bullshit.
Why are people automatically buying his self-serving narrative?

 

[Slappy McGherkin]

Also believe there should be an investigation as to why the captain's previous requests didn't seem to be honored or even addressed. The captain knew his career was over when his letter hit the media. The Navy believed the captain made the Navy look bad, which is the ultimate crime in the military, even worse than pissing off the command. Investigation will go nowhere, but the captain did the right thing by his people and by his ship.

Also thought the Navy would wait a few months before relieving him of command. But when the Navy pulls someone off a ship, they don't fuck around. Needs to be a very strong justification for pulling a guy/gal out of command. Remember, they chose this guy/gal to command in the first place. However, he won't face Uniform Code of Military Justice action. Nothing he did went against the UCMJ. The captain will retire. Likely he may end up working for the Navy in some capacity as a civilian or working as a contractor to the Navy.

THIS IS NOT MY NAVY.

I say this as someone who was born in a Navy hospital. As someone who served. As someone who has supported Veterans causes as a 35+year American Legion member. The Captain didn't follow politically correct protocol. He was concerned that his crew was comprised and despite him telling Admiral Fuck My Ass of the situation, nothing happened. Carry on, you asshole. Maintain protocol.

Protocol was breached when his crew were so sick they couldn't report for duty to keep a fucking nuclear aircraft carrier ready to deploy.

IMHO, Capt. got fucked because he was honest. Ship of fools aside, this is political. He made the Navy look bad. I'd salute him as his crew did.

Color me absolutely disgusted by this.

 

[Godzilla1984]

185 Pages behind. /sigh

Personal Happenings
Nurgle's daughter is in my town. Lazy whore. Took you long enough.
My vehicle service appointment is back on but the waiting area is closed. Going to bring a camp chair and hope that it doesn't rain.

Canadian Mining Happenings ⛏
Quebec drilling company remains active in Ontario. Archive.
DONATION: Redpath Canada donates supplies to North Bay hospital. Archive.
Northern mining companies adapting to COVID-19 threat. Archive.
Lake Shore Gold offers voluntary layoffs. Archive.
Inter-provincial travel restrictions impact northeast gold operations. Archive.
Pan American Silver reducing throughput at Timmins operations. Archive.
New Gold brings Ontario mine back online. Archive.
COVID-19 keeps Wawa-area gold production on hold. Archive.
Vale calls on Canadian brainpower to combat COVID-19. Archive.
Vacationing Vale employee tests positive for COVID-19. Archive.

Mining Happenings ⛏
Covid-19 robs diamond sector of recovery hopes. Archive.
OceanaGold’s Haile mine in South Carolina remains open. Archive.
SOFTWARE: Micromine offers free April access in response to COVID-19. Archive.
Argonault suspends mining in Mexico. Archive.
Mexico’s mining halt to hit silver supply. Archive.
China EV slowdown to hit battery metals sector. Archive.
Ivanhoe keeps flagship project going, moves hundreds to mine site accommodations. Archive.
Nevada Gold Mines donates $1.5m to covid-19 Task Force. Archive.
Great Panther suspends Mexico operations. Archive.

BAD GEOLOGY JOKE FOR THE DAY ⛰⛏
Q: Why shouldn't you let a geologist drive your car?
A: Because they get hammered and stoned.

An aside:
WTF Quebec.

Edit: Added article.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Archived Walmarts changes to shopping that goes into effect tomorrow.

Changes to Our Shopping Process to Encourage Social Distancing

archived 3 Apr 2020 23:16:44 UTC

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Starting Saturday, we will limit the number of customers who can be in a store at once. Stores will now allow no more than five customers for each 1,000 square feet at a given time, roughly 20 percent of a store’s capacity.

We’ll also institute one-way movement through our aisles next week in a number of our stores, using floor markers and direction from associates. We expect this to help more customers avoid coming into close contact with others as they shop.

Have fun with one way lanes.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

Interesting table on page 9 giving the outcomes by patient group

View attachment 1214386

A number of things kind of stick out here. With men it's 50:50 alive:dead but for women it's more like 60:40. If your BMI is over 30 your chances of survival go from 60% to 40% but from 25 to 30 it's not much worse than if you were under 25. If you're 16-49 you have about 75% chance of survival even in ICU but if you're over 70 it drops to 25%. If you need advanced respiratory support you're chances of survival drop from 80% down to 33%.

So still only 160ish* patients in this data. It's not enough to plot a smooth graph. But does match what we've seen elsewhere.
*The numbers don't match across categories. Must be some troons messing with the numbers. Or the data is too messy to rely on.
Age=165 , Sex= 165 , BMI = 151 , Assistance=159, Comorbid=162, Advanced Support=159 .

Amusingly, when I searched "BMI calculator" to find mine the first advert link was to the Daily Express "Lose Belly fat to avoid corona!"

How to lose visceral fat: Best exercise to lose dangerous belly fat amid COVID-19 outbreak

HOW TO lose visceral fat: Do you have a round, bulging tummy? This could be an indicator you're holding on to too much visceral fat. How can you shift it during the coronavirus pandemic?

www.express.co.uk

How to lose visceral fat: Jogging could beat dangerous belly fat amid…

archived 3 Apr 2020 23:13:52 UTC

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(Sensationalist clickbait unfortunately, even they daren't say 'Lose weight now if you want to live!' , they're just tying it to things to do in the lockdown)

Luckily I just scrape under 25BMI , so a big 'Ha Ha!' and 'Sucks to be you' to all you fatties out there.

 

[2021Murder]

You are so full of shit it's coming out your ears. It wasn't a 'glitch in the computer systems.' It was a wily retired general that realizing most of the rules for OPFOR were to make sure the BLUFOR won. Rules like not being able to turn the search radars for his anti-ship missiles off. Ever. Even when there were no ships in range. The Navy's vision for this exercise was a flight of the valkyries wave of anti-radar missiles destroying every anti-ship missile site hours before their precious ships were in range and declaring victory. Because that's realistic. The first couple hours of the exercise didn't go to plan with flights of hornets and prowlers finding no active radars and no targets. Then everyone's threat board light up like a christmas tree and, boom, 15 minutes later no more strike group. Naturally, the navy was not thrilled with this outcome. They replaced the retired general and restarted the exercise citing the fact no one on BLUFOR got any meaningful experience out of the exercise. I'd say thousands of Sailors and Marines experienced a simulated death, but nobody asks me.

Fuck you for making me write this Mr 'third hand anecdote.'

What the fuck is a landlocked peninsula?

I mean, in the world of mass communication and shit like flight maps. Wouldnt it make sense for some country to hear the US is taking action and then shutting off its radars before it hit the fan.

Archived Walmarts changes to shopping that goes into effect tomorrow.

Changes to Our Shopping Process to Encourage Social Distancing

archived 3 Apr 2020 23:16:44 UTC

archive.vn

Have fun with one way lanes.

its about stopping shoplifters. The 3 core components to every decision especially theft is : need, ability, and justification. People almost never steal if they dont have to or dont want to or cant. In an economy where 30+% of people are unemployed and another 30% are working retail making less than $20 an hour. Thats a lot of people with a lot of needs and justifications,so you limit ability.

Honestly if i had the balls, i would just go full thomas crown affair and dress up in blue before stealing

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

How do you diagnose pneumonia? I found this article (archive)

The researchers found that some signs and symptoms were more common in patients who turned out to have pneumonia. These were a temperature higher than 37.8°C, a crackling sound in the patient’s lungs, a pulse rate of more than 100 beats per minute, and oxygen saturation in the blood lower than 95%. They found that 86.1% of patients with pneumonia exhibited at least one of these signs.

Here's the journal article (archive) which says much the same thing

Of the 720 out of 28 883 (2.5.%) radiographed within 1 week of the index consultation, 115 (16.0%; 0.40% of 28 883) were assigned a definite or probable pneumonia diagnosis. The significant independent predictors of radiograph-confirmed pneumonia were temperature >37.8°C (RR 2.6; 95% CI 1.5–4., crackles on auscultation (RR 1.8; 1.1–3.0), oxygen saturation <95% (RR 1.7; 1.0–3.1) and pulse >100·min–1 (RR 1.9; 1.1–3.2). Most patients with pneumonia (99/115, 86.1%) exhibited at least one of these four clinical signs; the positive predictive value of having at least one of these signs was 20.2% (95% CI 17.3–23.1).

What triggered it all is this video with some infectious disease expert who managed to contract both TDS and coronavirus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4dZ-GrBUNI

Local upload

He mentions checking his SpO2 to see if it was dropping to see if he needed to go to the hospital

 

[Army Burger]

WTF Quebec.

All those snowbirds, man.

 

[JosephStalin]

When you read articles like this it seems like Crozier screwed up by leaking the memo which contained readiness information

Navy Brass Felt Blindsided by Fired Carrier Captain’s Emailed Appeal

The commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt had two direct calls with top Navy aides before his warning about the dire situation on board leaked…

foreignpolicy.com

https://archive.vn/p2IiG
https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...a-carrier-captain-crozier-theodore-roosevelt/

No. He didn't screw up. He did what he had to do to protect his sailors and his ship. Sending copies of his memo to people not in his chain of command was a last resort to get some attention from someone. The captain knew what he was doing would kill his career, but he figured that was much better than letting someone entrusted to his care die. It isn't wartime. The Navy needed to take care of their sailors and their ship. Looking at the memo, if it was wartime, the ship would suck it in and get the mission done.

This captain will be just fine. His retirement pay should be about $8420/month. He will also be able to use the base exchange (military department store), commissary (military supermarket) and base facilities for the rest of his life. He may also be eligible for VA disability pay. He and his wife, and kids under 23, can get some of the best medical insurance available anywhere at a cost of $50 month, for the entire family.

Am also rather certain he'll get a civilian job easily, either working for the Navy or for a contractor.

This captain should not be subject to any Uniform Code of Military Justice action. What he did was not an offense under the UCMJ. Can assure you he is not the first officer to shotgun a memo in order to get attention.

And hearing the cheers of a grateful crew as you depart your former ship means more than you can ever imagine to that man. Brings tears to the eyes. PL: Am a retired US senior officer, have commanded troops, albeit on a much smaller scale than a 5000-person aircraft carrier. Doesn't matter. Commanding troops is one of the very best jobs in the military, if you do it right. Troops first, mission always. Captain Crozier did that.

Check it out.

Coronavirus: Video shows USS Roosevelt sailors cheering for relieved Capt. Brett Crozier as he departs ship

The captain of the USS Roosevelt, relieved of command after publicly raising concerns about the impact of coronavirus on his crew, departed the aircraft carrier Thursday night to the deafening cheers of his crew.

www.masslive.com

Coronavirus: Video shows USS Roosevelt sailors cheering for relieved …

archived 3 Apr 2020 23:26:09 UTC

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On a totally different note, just made a quick trip to the commissary. Not crowded, walked right in. Some empty shelves, but employees were doing some restocking. No paper products. Butter was on sale, $2.99/pound, but eggs were $3.75/dozen. Good supplies of milk and eggs. Was looking for a certain type of wipe - nada. Doing the regular trip tomorrow morning.

Added: Oh, the fuckwads that "run" our county are extending our house arrest until 3 May. Fuck that and fuck them.

 

[Jump]

You can read his letter here

Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy

The captain of a nuclear aircraft carrier docked in Guam with more than 100 coronavirus-infected sailors aboard pleaded Monday with U.S. Navy officials for more resources. Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, says the entire crew of more than 4,000 should be isolated to avoid possible...

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I do feel kind of bad for Crozier though. He did what he could to protect his crew, even though he probably knew he was gonna get canned for it by some cunt sitting behind a desk. Sometimes the captain has to walk the plank for the good of the crew I guess.

If he really thought the situation was a problem then he should had reported through secure communications that he was coming off mission and headed for port and accepted the consequences when he landed.
Leaking readiness and operational shit to the media is unacceptable.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

How long before someone accuses Corona-chan of being racist? https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hit...ion-and-at-least-40-of-its-coronavirus-deaths

https://archive.vn/SLSZl

The coronavirus is infecting and killing an alarming proportion of Black residents in Michigan.

Black people make up 12% of Michigan's population. But of the state’s 417 coronavirus deaths, 40% are Black, 26% are white, 30% are unknown, and 4% are mixed race or other, according to data released Thursday by the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS).

Of the nearly 11,000 who tested positive for the coronavirus, 35% are Black, 25% white, 34% are unknown. An additional 6% represent other races.

This is the first time the state released data on the racial makeup of coronavirus patients. The disclosure raises serious questions about why Black people have been disproportionately impacted.

A quarter of the deaths and confirmed infections are in Detroit, where 80% of the population is Black. Suburban communities with large Black populations have also been hit hard by the coronavirus. They include Eastpointe, Ecorse, Highland Park, Oak Park, Redford Township, River Rouge, Roseville, Southfield, and Warren, according to an analysis by Bridge.

 

[no_mad_johnny]

US accused of 'modern piracy' after diversion of masks meant for Europe

German politician adds to chorus of complaints about American tactics to source protective gear

www.theguardian.com

The US has been accused of “modern piracy” after reportedly diverting a shipment of masks intended for the German police, and outbidding other countries in the increasingly fraught global market for coronavirus protective equipment.

lol muricans

One broker, Michael Crotty, who runs Golden Pacific Fashion & Design in Shanghai, told the New York Times that Chinese factories sometimes move the highest-paying customers to the front of the line

chinamen right now:

(archive)

 

[Cypher]

You are so full of shit it's coming out your ears. It wasn't a 'glitch in the computer systems.' It was a wily retired general that realizing most of the rules for OPFOR were to make sure the BLUFOR won. Rules like not being able to turn the search radars for his anti-ship missiles off. Ever. Even when there were no ships in range. The Navy's vision for this exercise was a flight of the valkyries wave of anti-radar missiles destroying every anti-ship missile site hours before their precious ships were in range and declaring victory. Because that's realistic. The first couple hours of the exercise didn't go to plan with flights of hornets and prowlers finding no active radars and no targets. Then everyone's threat board light up like a christmas tree and, boom, 15 minutes later no more strike group. Naturally, the navy was not thrilled with this outcome. They replaced the retired general and restarted the exercise citing the fact no one on BLUFOR got any meaningful experience out of the exercise. I'd say thousands of Sailors and Marines experienced a simulated death, but nobody asks me.

It's even funnier that they restarted the whole simulation to put the odds in their favor, and they still got fucked.

 

[JosephStalin]

If he really thought the situation was a problem then he should had reported through secure communications that he was coming off mission and headed for port and accepted the consequences when he landed.
Leaking readiness and operational shit to the media is unacceptable.

He did, more than once. He followed procedure. No results. He did what a leader should do. This was a kamikaze attack for his people. PL: Saw another senior officer do a kamikaze attack, for a different reason. He succeeded, but the base where he did the attack sent word back to the base where he was stationed that this guy was persona non grata. He didn't care. Mission was accomplished and was passed to capable hands.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

THIS IS NOT MY NAVY.

I say this as someone who was born in a Navy hospital. As someone who served. As someone who has supported Veterans causes as a 35+year American Legion member. The Captain didn't follow politically correct protocol. He was concerned that his crew was comprised and despite him telling Admiral Fuck My Ass of the situation, nothing happened. Carry on, you asshole. Maintain protocol.

Protocol was breached when his crew were so sick they couldn't report for duty to keep a fucking nuclear aircraft carrier ready to deploy.

IMHO, Capt. got fucked because he was honest. Ship of fools aside, this is political. He made the Navy look bad. I'd salute him as his crew did.

Color me absolutely disgusted by this.

Let's see if Trump gets involved. Not exactly Eddie Gallagher, but maybe some of the same people.

Wisconsin health official says COVID-19 curve is flattening (archive)

The outlook is starting to look good for the state of Wisconsin. They haven't hit their peak yet, but the increases in cases per day has lowered considerably in percentages, to the point where health officials are confidently saying that the curve is flattening in the state. Currently, the increase in the number of cases are way under the initial projection in early March.

Good opportunity for a data analysis exercise.

United States Coronavirus: 377,499 Cases and 11,781 Deaths - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

According to this site, about 1900 people have it and there's 46 dead, as of April 3, 2020. Their numbers are growing at a healthy pace.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore hospital bed use, need for intensive care beds, and ventilator use due to COVID-19 based on projected deaths

covid19.healthdata.org

According to this site, the projections are that 41 people would be dead by today and the state won't peak until May 4. They're projecting a total of 951 Wisconsin residents will die by August.

So the Governor is saying public health policy is working but they are not projected to peak until after the end of April. That's a hard decision for someone responsible for the State's economy, getting people back to work this month is crucial for most industry in the mid-west.

Putting the over under at April 15 on the Governor announcing limited back to work. Might not be implemented immediately and people may still decide to stay home, but I think it happens before the peak.

Wisconsin is a manufacturing and dairy state and most people don't make a lot in the first place. They could put gloves and masks on everyone and avoid a lot of economic problems going this route. If the 950 dead turns into 1200 - that doesn't make a big difference.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I can see both sides of the issue with Crozier. I can imagine a situation where I'd feel justified in doing what he did, even if it meant getting shitcanned because I'd believe I had to do it to protect my crew. And I can also imagine if I was Secretary of the Navy realizing that the dude sadly needed to be shitcanned because aircraft carriers are critical to keeping the damn Chinese and Russians from going off the reservation, especially now, and his leaked memo just told them that one of those carriers is going to be out of action for a while.

The whole situation is a damn shame really.

 

[feral cat #6385]

Looks like the recommendation to wear masks is coming soon -

Coronavirus Live Updates: Trump Administration Expected to Recommend Wearing Cloth Masks

More than 6.6 million Americans filed for unemployment benefits last week. The Democratic National Convention has been postponed, and the global death toll exceeds 50,000. The Navy removed an aircraft carrier’s captain after he spoke up about an outbreak.

www.nytimes.com

https://archive.li/MPzFO

From where? Sale of them is banned on Amazon and Ebay. Most local stores are closed other than the grocery store. Tell me where the fuck am I supposed to get a mask from.

Completely serious with this next part - there's a segment of EMTs / med techs / doctors who believe these people need to be put in camps or euthanized for the good of everyone else. Most homeless in CA are addicts, legally insane or Mexican, they just can't take care of themselves and have a bizarre reason to spread the disease. Watch mortality rates in ERs over the next few months, the spike will be significantly above average compared to the rest of the Nation.

...and?

This supposed to be shocking? Sounds good to me!

 

[It's HK-47]

From where? Sale of them is banned on Amazon and Ebay. Most local stores are closed other than the grocery store. Tell me where the fuck am I supposed to get a mask from.

Mask | Etsy

Check out our mask selection for the very best in unique or custom, handmade pieces from our masks shops.

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A lot of people on Etsy have picked up on cranking out reusable masks, or if you're handy with a needle or a sewing machine, they're so simple to make that you barely even need a design, so you could hop into the fray and start making them yourself. It's just two elastic straps and a piece of cloth that's been accordioned a few times.

 

[RodgerDodger]

You can read his letter here

Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy

The captain of a nuclear aircraft carrier docked in Guam with more than 100 coronavirus-infected sailors aboard pleaded Monday with U.S. Navy officials for more resources. Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, says the entire crew of more than 4,000 should be isolated to avoid possible...

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I do feel kind of bad for Crozier though. He did what he could to protect his crew, even though he probably knew he was gonna get canned for it by some cunt sitting behind a desk. Sometimes the captain has to walk the plank for the good of the crew I guess.

His mechanism of walking the plank puts his ship and crew in harms way, greatly harms national security and increases the chances of war during what is unquestionably the most tense and scary world moment in his lifetime. He literally broadcast to China “Look Big Fucking Immobile Target With Compromised Crew Right Here Next Door to You!”

 

[MrBlueSocks]

He did, more than once. He followed procedure. No results. He did what a leader should do. This was a kamikaze attack for his people. PL: Saw another senior officer do a kamikaze attack, for a different reason. He succeeded, but the base where he did the attack sent word back to the base where he was stationed that this guy was persona non grata. He didn't care. Mission was accomplished and was passed to capable hands.

How quick did he expect results? How long before the original request and his decision to go on Oprah?
As of now, i.e. several days later, There are only 100 or so tested positive, and a handful needing treatment, none dead. Out of a crew of 5000 .

I understand your admiration for an officer sacrificing himself for his crew. But a) He overreacted. b) this wasn't a situation that warranted what he did. Deliberate leaking of compromising info to the press, because you feel your superiors haven't reacted quick enough for your liking. Why not ring the Navy Secretary directly, at least to try to explain the situation.

If he'd exhausted all other options available to him, and the bodies were stacking up, and nobody cared - Then going to the press is a definite option. I'm not condemming any whistleblower in the forces. If you discover your equipment is dangerously substandard, and your chain of command know but dont care about your men wearing body armour made from old chinese newspapers, then blow that whistle. But not for the situation he was in.

This isn't the first time there's been an outbreak of disease on a Naval Ship. He wasn't in uncharted waters.