Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Wet markets are great, full of tasty fresh things. It's when you slaughter and butcher animals - wild and tame - right in the middle of them that they become a disease vector.

I've been getting more and more annoyed by the media's conflation of a regular food market and a disease-infested midden that's used as a combined animal torture pit and butchery show for vermin who boil dogs alive.

 

[CeleryStalks]

Great Lakes, USA and Canada

Great Lakes freighters on guard against coronavirus

Ships will be granted entry into the U.S. only if they don’t carry sick crew members

www.detroitnews.com

(archive)
Highlights:

Ships will be granted entry into the U.S. only if they don’t carry sick crew members.
Crew members will be required to stay aboard vessels upon arrival, except for necessary activities such as loading or unloading cargo and gathering provisions.
Freighters are expected to move through more than 100 ports in the Great Lakes region.

Michigan, USA

Not much news today. Detroit threatens a curfew, but nothing official yet. (article) (archive)

Spoiler: Michigan Recap/Old News

SHUTDOWNS
Shelter-in-place order and shutdown of everything non-essential (groceries, gas stations, pharmacies, the usual) from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. (archive) (executive order saved on KF). Marijuana shops are open. Tobacco shops are closed (archive). K-12 schools suspended for remainder of year, but alternate learning plans will be implemented (archive) (archive). The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive).
The Big Three Auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler) are closing all factories in the USA, putting well over 150,000 workers out of work. This figure does not include workers at supplier factories, which will also be obliged to close. (archive) (archive) (archive). They will be making a small number of parts for emergency vehicles, and GM will be helping Ventec, a company that makes ventilators (archive - ventilators). Ford will be helping 3M and GE Healthcare to make respirators and ventilators (archive).

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Unemployment so high that claims must be made on certain days, based on claimant's last name. (archive)
The Great Lakes are at record or near-record highs, flooding our beaches and harming our chances of tourists saving our economy this summer (archive, archive)
Big Brother is watching, and he approves. Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel down by 45%, compared to 40% nation-wide (website) (news article archive).

FREE STUFF!
Free bus rides in Detroit after drivers' strike (archive- strike) (archive - free fares)
Free access to state parks (archive)
Evictions suspended while the state of emergency lasts (archive)
Water will be turned back on for all households while the crisis lasts (archive)
State prisoners are being provided two free phone calls and two free emails a week, by the 3rd party vendors thereof (archive)

FREEDOM!
Semi-trucks carrying essential supplies can ignore seasonal road weight limits (archive)
Distilleries can make hand sanitizer without a permit (archive)
Pharmacists may prescribe 60 days of emergency medication and may substitute drugs without physicians approval in event of shortages (archive). Various other medical restrictions loosened (archive).
Driver's Ed (the classroom portion) is now available online. (archive)
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive)
Restaurants can sell food like grocery stores (archive)

HEALTH CARE
Detroit hospitals are at or near capacity and have reached the point of moving patients out to other hospitals (archive - March 30).
Detroit hospitals prepare triage plans (archive on KF)
Detroit-area nurse makes a video (archive)
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a typo in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are beginning to test the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive).
A look at how many hospital beds, ICU beds, and ventilators Michigan has, by region (archive).

LAW AND ORDER
Lansing (the capitol) police are not physically responding to minor crimes such as larceny, property damage, and break-ins to unoccupied buildings, including garages. Other police are adopting similar policies (archive) (archive).
106 Detroit police officers and staff and 24 firefighters and staff tested positive and hundreds of others are quarantined (the Detroit Police Dept. has about 2,200 officers) (archive) (archive - April 2) Three Michigan officers and police staff dead, all in the Detroit area. (archive).
Despite this, 911 calls are down 15-20% in Detroit, and Mayor Mike Duggan (D) estimates actual crime has dropped even more (archive).
Police in Muskegon report increase in vehicle break-ins, domestic break-ins and burglaries, business break-ins, and domestic violence; decrease in traffic stops (archive).
Police starting to test positive everywhere (archive - Kalamazoo). (archive - Saginaw).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $500 $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive). Local law enforcement is floundering and we are essentially working on an honor system (archive - Kalamazoo) (archive - Ann Arbor).

DEATH TOLL
Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000):*

11,385 confirmed / 472 dead
10,196 confirmed / 424 dead yesterday
(i.e. 48 new deaths, down 5 from previous day)

Other Michigan (6,120,000):

2,840 confirmed / 68 dead
2,548 confirmed / 55 dead yesterday
(i.e. 13 new deaths, up 4 from previous day)

All Michigan (9,990,000):

14,225 confirmed / 540 dead
12,744 confirmed / 479 dead yesterday
(i.e. 61 new deaths, down 1 from previous day)

Death toll doubled since: March 31.
We have been locked down since: March 24.

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in a category of their own.

 

[that jerk over there]

Can we sanitize masks by putting them in the freezer or the oven? Or the microwave?

(accounting for plastic, rubber or metal parts ...)

I remember a while back, one of my room mates put a wet sponge in the microwave for a minute to sanitize it and it seemed to work. Sponge came out with less odors.

Also how about a UV light wand?

>>>oven, microwave and freezer
None of these options.

UV lights should work.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Don't know if this has been posted before, so many pages per day, I've missed a lot.

Japanese research done on the aerosol spread.

I think they smartly eased us into it, rolling out closures and restrictions piecemeal, because if they'd locked us down fully a month ago, it would have been anarchy.

I've been saying this to people for weeks now, where I live, no one cares, or they just think I'm nuts, which well, okay maybe...

I hate to reference reddit, but I saw a 'story' on there today, within it was a worker saying that parents are dumping their kids at mental institutions, saying they are mentally disturbed, because they can't handle them.

If anyone had of gone straight into lockdown, half those kids would probably be dead.

Can we sanitize masks by putting them in the freezer or the oven? Or the microwave?

Ozone generator...

 

[Smug Chuckler]

How's everybody doing? Found this helpful chart.

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meanwhile in russia

 

[Otterly]

UV will work but be careful not to fry your own skin or eyes. Freezer no, oven no, and the filter masks can be degraded by some chemicals
Best thing for cloth Homemade masks will be just plain laundering on a 60 degree or above wash then tumble dry Or dry out in the sunshine if you’re anywhere hot. Make sure to take them off by the elastics, Not touching the mask itself and place into a container of soapy water, then tip that into the wash.
The best way to avoid getting this badly is distancing and hygiene. You may still get it, but it’s likely to be a lower initial load.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Speaking of temperatures ....

Can we sanitize masks by putting them in the freezer or the oven? Or the microwave?

(accounting for plastic, rubber or metal parts ...)

I remember a while back, one of my room mates put a wet sponge in the microwave for a minute to sanitize it and it seemed to work. Sponge came out with less odors.

Also how about a UV light wand?

I've seen credible reports that n95 masks can be sanitized by baking them at 160 degrees F for 30 minutes. With the caveats they cannot be in contact with anything metal. So use a pizza stone, some sort of quality ceramic bakeware or even a paper bag. I have not tried this and cannot vouchsafe how safe it is, but the theory is sound. Corona is apparently like SARS in that it breaks up above 150 degrees. The Mask Materials should be able to withstand up to 170-180 degrees. So you don't have a lot of margin for error here.

In theory an actual UV sterilizer should work. But most things marked as UV sterilizers aren't and don't. You'll know if you've got the real thing. If you have a question regarding it, you probably don't. I big tipoff is a real UV sterilizer will be sealed so that you cannot look directly at the light source when it's on. There are different sorts of UV. Only one sort works. They don't offer that type as "wands".

There is also some sort of Hydrogen Peroxide Sterilizer system that can supposedly clean n95 masks. They are hard to find, expensive, and like most oddball medical aparatus mainly are sourced from China these days. So buyer beware.

 

[Not Really Here]

Speaking of temperatures ....

Can we sanitize masks by putting them in the freezer or the oven? Or the microwave?

(accounting for plastic, rubber or metal parts ...)

I remember a while back, one of my room mates put a wet sponge in the microwave for a minute to sanitize it and it seemed to work. Sponge came out with less odors.

Also how about a UV light wand?

Source / Archive
Mask disinfection

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UV cleaning and issues

Source / Archive

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

The WashPo wrote an article on the possibility that Coronavirus escaped from a lab in China. The quote Richard Ebright and also, wonder of wonders, mention the nuked Xiao Botao paper. They even quote Ebright on the video the lab reported of researchers going to caves with no protective gear so that 'bat urine dripped on their heads'.

So after ages of saying that it was a conspiracy theory and completely missing the gravamen of the claim, it seems like the WashPo have finally realized there might be something up to the claim it escaped from a lab. They still have dig at poor old Tom Cotton though, but I guess we can just ignore that as being like dogs barking at the moon. They are simple creatures, it makes them happy and it's not really doing any harm.

https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...75d488-7521-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html (Might complain about adblock)

How did covid-19 begin? Its initial origin story is shaky. - The Wash…

archived 4 Apr 2020 08:08:04 UTC

archive.vn

But how did the outbreak occur? Solving this medical mystery is important to prevent future pandemics. What’s increasingly clear is that the initial “origin story” — that the virus was spread by people who ate contaminated animals at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan — is shaky.

Scientists have identified the culprit as a bat coronavirus, through genetic sequencing; bats weren’t sold at the seafood market, although that market or others could have sold animals that had contact with bats. The Lancet noted in a January study that the first covid-19 case in Wuhan had no connection to the seafood market.

There’s a competing theory — of an accidental lab release of bat coronavirus — that scientists have been puzzling about for weeks. Less than 300 yards from the seafood market is the Wuhan branch of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Researchers from that facility and the nearby Wuhan Institute of Virology have posted articles about collecting bat coronaviruses from around China, for study to prevent future illness. Did one of those samples leak, or was hazardous waste deposited in a place where it could spread?

Richard Ebright, a Rutgers microbiologist and biosafety expert, told me in an email that “the first human infection could have occurred as a natural accident,” with the virus passing from bat to human, possibly through another animal. But Ebright cautioned that it “also could have occurred as a laboratory accident, with, for example, an accidental infection of a laboratory worker.” He noted that bat coronaviruses were studied in Wuhan at Biosafety Level 2, “which provides only minimal protection,” compared with the top BSL-4.

Ebright described a December video from the Wuhan CDC that shows staffers “collecting bat coronaviruses with inadequate [personal protective equipment] and unsafe operational practices.” Separately, I reviewed two Chinese articles, from 2017 and 2019, describing the heroics of Wuhan CDC researcher Tian Junhua, who while capturing bats in a cave “forgot to take protective measures” so that “bat urine dripped from the top of his head like raindrops.”

And then there’s the Chinese study that was curiously withdrawn. In February, a site called ResearchGate published a brief article by Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao from Guangzhou’s South China University of Technology. “In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. Safety level may need to be reinforced in high risk biohazardous laboratories,” the article concluded. Botao Xiao told the Wall Street Journal in February that he had withdrawn the paper because it “was not supported by direct proofs.”

Accidents happen, human or laboratory. Solving the mystery of how covid-19 began isn’t a blame game, but a chance for China and the United States to cooperate in a crisis, and prevent a future one.

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I'd say leave the mask outside in the sun and much more than 2m away from people. Or if you're in some urban hell put it in a bag and wait 72 hours for the virus to inactivate. Also, always assume the mask is contaminated - wear gloves when donning or doffing it.

 

[LolNoIPLeaksEvenLMFAO]

So uhm, whose ready to start planting home made explosives to protect their land? FYI Molotov cocktails are better with weather proof matches compared to a burning rag.

 

[Stoneheart]

So uhm, whose ready to start planting home made explosives to protect their land? FYI Molotov cocktails are better with weather proof matches compared to a burning rag.

Thermite is easy to make and very effective against Chinese Tanks or Artillery

 

[Not Really Here]

Ixnay destructive device talk via non-encrypted coms.
FBI indicted a fag for that kind of thing on FB and the Farms server is in the US.

 

[Aria]

Google launching tool that will publicly track people's movements, allowing health officials to check whether their communities are abiding by social-distancing measures - ABC News

Breaking911 on Twitter

“Google launching tool that will publicly track people's movements, allowing health officials to check whether their communities are abiding by social-distancing measures - ABC News”

twitter.com

Breaking911 on Twitter: "Google launching tool that will publicly tra…

archived 4 Apr 2020 19:58:02 UTC

archive.li

 

[Otterly]

The absolute state of academia... and the dear old DM doing what they do best, digging the dirt.

How rival science teams were born out of a sex smear

Rivalry between research teams at Oxford University, led by Professor Sunetra Gupta, and Imperial College may go back further than their conflicting coronavirus views from last week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Archive : https://archive.li/TQ9fX

What is it they say about academic politics? Only so vicious because the the stakes are so low?

 

[Smug Chuckler]

So uhm, whose ready to start planting home made explosives to protect their land? FYI Molotov cocktails are better with weather proof matches compared to a burning rag.

fed detected

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Thermite is easy to make and very effective against Chinese Tanks or Artillery

Traditionally guerilla forces compensate for low military effectiveness against regular armies by extreme and public brutality against any members of those regular armies they capture. And given the Chinese will likely go full-on Red Army/SS collective reprisals against the civilian population each time there's a guerilla attack it will seem entirely justified if we take a look at ISIS's execution methods against people unlucky enough to fall into their hands. We may need to make a few modifications of course. Tanks are not common in the middle of a major Western country, but we've got loads of tractors.

 

[remiem]

Google launching tool that will publicly track people's movements, allowing health officials to check whether their communities are abiding by social-distancing measures - ABC News

Breaking911 on Twitter

“Google launching tool that will publicly track people's movements, allowing health officials to check whether their communities are abiding by social-distancing measures - ABC News”

twitter.com

Breaking911 on Twitter: "Google launching tool that will publicly tra…

archived 4 Apr 2020 19:58:02 UTC

archive.li

I get what they want to do with this but like what if you don't have a phone and/or you don't take your phone. I've only gone out a few times but I've stopped taking my phone with me because it's too annoying having to remember another thing to clean. If they track you by your phone but you don't take it, this is pointless.

 

[Stoneheart]

Traditionally guerilla forces compensate for low military effectiveness against regular armies by extreme and public brutality against any members of those regular armies they capture. And given the Chinese will likely go full-on Red Army/SS collective reprisals against the civilian population each time there's a guerilla attack it will seem entirely justified if we take a look at ISIS's execution methods against people unlucky enough to fall into their hands.

Well i have seen the trainings video...

 

[JosephStalin]

I get what they want to do with this but like what if you don't have a phone and/or you don't take your phone. I've only gone out a few times but I've stopped taking my phone with me because it's too annoying have to remember another thing to clean. If they track you by your phone but you don't take it, this is pointless.

Folks, do you REALLY want these shitheads tracking you? REALLY? Fuck, no. Don't get any app "they" want you to get, unless you want it. Also, for the present time advise keeping your cell phone turned off when outside the house unless needed. Keep conversations as short as possible. Have a flip phone which is usually turned off and in my pocket. No app, intermittent signals - hard to track.

 

[Aria]

Spokesperson发言人办公室 on Twitter

“China's efforts and sacrifice have bought precious time for the world. Some people are attempting to make China the biggest scapegoat for their own epidemic response. Mission Impossible.”

twitter.com

Spokesperson发言人办公室 on Twitter: "China's efforts and sacrifice have bo…

archived 31 Mar 2020 23:05:08 UTC

archive.li

you caused the virus to spread you dumb chinks.