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[It's HK-47]

Someone asked me an interesting question about the media, the DNC and essentially everyone who's profoundly, pathologically anti-Trump right now, and it wound up leading our conversation towards a more interesting question when they brought up a quote from A Pillar of Iron. For the sake of this argument, let's say that it's undeniably true that the Media, DNC, RINOs, etc. are all verifiable, covert members of a hostile, foreign body (China, Iran, cannibal midgets, whoever, take your pick) and their goal is to break the U.S. down from the inside. Sow discord, destroy institutions, ruin public faith in systems, push propaganda, their goal is to generally just fuck us up for the benefit of another country.

This isn't rhetorical, I'm genuinely asking: What would they be doing differently from what they're doing now?

Spoiler: Taylor Caldwell, 1965

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to fear.”

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Something about the term 'lifelong' is just associated with deception with a 100% accuracy rate and I've never really dug into why that is.

Think the only time "lifelong X" meant something in politics was from the folks who were adults/growing up when FDR was in office and had such rose-tinted glasses that they literally voted Democrat all their lives because of him. And they're well on their way out, now.

 

[Niggernerd]

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so all the mass deaths of iraqi,Afghanistan, Pakistani, Yemeni, Somalian, Libyan, Sudanese, Lebanese, Bosnian, and Syrian civilians are ok though. Did I miss anyone else?

these people believe that us history only begun four years ago and no other president before trump had done anything more heinous and that all Americans live under a fascist dictatorship that allows for daily criticism of president trump.

if you think americans dying of the coronavirus is a cause for promoting a political agenda then you're a part of the problem.

Michael Ⓜ️ on Twitter

“Just a reminder. NONE of these men would have been ok with losing a quarter of a million Americans.”

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Last i checked
-Drumpf didn't throw us into a 20yr long conflict that caused mass casualties of -foreign and our own people
-Didn't drone a kid and his dad
-Didn't sound the pandemic alarm after thousands died
-Didn't sell shit to foreign rivals
-throw up on a PM

And I'm very sure he acts quickly after a natural disaster hits unlike a certain hill billy and negroid.

 

[Flexo]

Think the only time "lifelong X" meant something in politics was from the folks who were adults/growing up when FDR was in office and had such rose-tinted glasses that they literally voted Democrat all their lives because of him. And they're well on their way out, now.

Doesn't mean they'll stop voting democrat.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Max Boot going cuck again!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/05/worst-president-ever/

 

[Harvey Danger]

Someone asked me an interesting question about the media, the DNC and essentially everyone who's profoundly, pathologically anti-Trump right now, and it wound up leading our conversation towards a more interesting question when they brought up a quote from A Pillar of Iron. For the sake of this argument, let's say that it's undeniably true that the Media, DNC, RINOs, etc. are all verifiable, covert members of a hostile, foreign body (China, Iran, cannibal midgets, whoever, take your pick) and their goal is to break the U.S. down from the inside. Sow discord, destroy institutions, ruin public faith in systems, push propaganda, their goal is to generally just fuck us up for the benefit of another country.

This isn't rhetorical, I'm genuinely asking: What would they be doing differently from what they're doing now?

They'd be moving faster and planting specific flags, which is why I don't believe it.

Spoiler: it takes hard work *not* to be alex jones

I get the point of the question, and I've done the same rhetorical exercise on the Democrats in the past. But institutional rot isn't a reliable way to get things done, even though it's incredibly destructive.

For example, say the insidious foreign actor is Iran. Distrust and discord in the USA needs to weaken American responses, not just to the entire globe, but to Iran specifically. Several times in the last 15 years, we've come close to killing Iran's economy, surrounding them with bases, or outright nuking them. From Bush's 2nd term onwards, that risk wasn't a function of strategic foreign policy; those cases arose from dysfunction and disagreement. Chaos as a subversive tool is one thing, but chaos that you can't direct or deflect away from your own goals is too dangerous to try.

The reflexive anti-Bush/Trump/GOP stances easily backfire once one of them winds up being favorable to your cause. Say the foreign actor is North Korea; planting opposition to Bush's "Axis of Evil" makes sense, but those planted institutional seeds then derail Trump when he comes along and does something the Norks want to happen.

So if the American left was going to be subverted into useful idiots for a foreign power, that power would also need to plant pro-foreign power elements into the ideology they used. It's how USSR agents acted back in the day, spinning Soviet dogma into international socialist ideology, and gaining a foothold in the revolutionary left wing across the globe. It's also how modern day Russian assets act, like that female lawyer who kicked off the whole Russiagate hysteria by trying to meet with Trump to gain sympathy for a businessman.

And the speed needs to be faster too. If this was a long term Soviet ploy, well, the USSR died out decades ago. Kim Jong Il died too. China's still around, but their current incarnation has only been around since 1979, and the roots of western dysfunction go deeper. Iran, Castro, Sadaam Hussein, etc all failed to gain any direct benefit.

There have always been low cost, long term, sleeper cell type operations, but they would need to generate specific events that have outsized influence on the American system. Having a comprehensive program requires more resources than anyone other than the USSR or China could have put together; USSR influence has been mostly identified, and Chinese influence is nakedly corporate. Neither explains the total ideological conversion of the left.

Of course there's also the tribal possibility, of non-state "foreign" powers that serve the interests of an elite few. Those conspiracy theories are the most popular because you can write them a bunch of different ways to fit observed facts, without needing proof or evidence. I'll ignore those because they're pointless to disassemble, they're indistinguishable from vanilla socioeconomic class-based analysis, and they tend to get rather racial at times, especially on sites like this.

Basically, if American leftists were subverted by a foreign influencing program, then that program is indistinguishable from a bad program that works against its own interests. It's also indistinguishable from general lefty stupidity, which Occam's Razor favors.

 

[Shaka Brah]

They'd be moving faster and planting specific flags, which is why I don't believe it.

Spoiler: it takes hard work *not* to be alex jones

I get the point of the question, and I've done the same rhetorical exercise on the Democrats in the past. But institutional rot isn't a reliable way to get things done, even though it's incredibly destructive.

For example, say the insidious foreign actor is Iran. Distrust and discord in the USA needs to weaken American responses, not just to the entire globe, but to Iran specifically. Several times in the last 15 years, we've come close to killing Iran's economy, surrounding them with bases, or outright nuking them. From Bush's 2nd term onwards, that risk wasn't a function of strategic foreign policy; those cases arose from dysfunction and disagreement. Chaos as a subversive tool is one thing, but chaos that you can't direct or deflect away from your own goals is too dangerous to try.

The reflexive anti-Bush/Trump/GOP stances easily backfire once one of them winds up being favorable to your cause. Say the foreign actor is North Korea; planting opposition to Bush's "Axis of Evil" makes sense, but those planted institutional seeds then derail Trump when he comes along and does something the Norks want to happen.

So if the American left was going to be subverted into useful idiots for a foreign power, that power would also need to plant pro-foreign power elements into the ideology they used. It's how USSR agents acted back in the day, spinning Soviet dogma into international socialist ideology, and gaining a foothold in the revolutionary left wing across the globe. It's also how modern day Russian assets act, like that female lawyer who kicked off the whole Russiagate hysteria by trying to meet with Trump to gain sympathy for a businessman.

And the speed needs to be faster too. If this was a long term Soviet ploy, well, the USSR died out decades ago. Kim Jong Il died too. China's still around, but their current incarnation has only been around since 1979, and the roots of western dysfunction go deeper. Iran, Castro, Sadaam Hussein, etc all failed to gain any direct benefit.

There have always been low cost, long term, sleeper cell type operations, but they would need to generate specific events that have outsized influence on the American system. Having a comprehensive program requires more resources than anyone other than the USSR or China could have put together; USSR influence has been mostly identified, and Chinese influence is nakedly corporate. Neither explains the total ideological conversion of the left.

Of course there's also the tribal possibility, of non-state "foreign" powers that serve the interests of an elite few. Those conspiracy theories are the most popular because you can write them a bunch of different ways to fit observed facts, without needing proof or evidence. I'll ignore those because they're pointless to disassemble, they're indistinguishable from vanilla socioeconomic class-based analysis, and they tend to get rather racial at times, especially on sites like this.

Basically, if American leftists were subverted by a foreign influencing program, then that program is indistinguishable from a bad program that works against its own interests. It's also indistinguishable from general lefty stupidity, which Occam's Razor favors.

Yeah it would be weird if every member of every political party openly catered to one foreign nation above their own home nation.

Yeah... Weird...

 

[heyitsmike]

It's Reddit. This is to be expected from that shithole of a website anyway.

I deleted my account there about a year and a half ago. It was a good decision. I still check it regularly for the lolz though.

After I left Reddit I trolled for a while on Gawker / Splinter / Gizmodo. But I got tired of all my comments disappearing because I rudely and repeatedly popped their liberal bubbles. And I kept getting shadow banned and having to make a new account.

So I said, 'Fuck it, I guess it's on to Kiwi Farms then.'

 

[Wulfpack Legend]

Found this on Twitter, Tommy Lee wrote a letter:

 

[Shaka Brah]

Found this on Twitter, Tommy Lee wrote a letter:
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The raving words of a madman dying in sin. When was the last time Motley Crue was relevant?

 

[dopy]

Found this on Twitter, Tommy Lee wrote a letter:
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what i despise more than anything about western celebrities and elites is that they act and scream like they are helpless victims of a literal hitler-esque tyranny, despite the fact that they are free to infinitely criticize their government(s) and have loads of money and connections to help fix the things going wrong in society themselves, by their own hands and not any other authority's but their own, yet sit on their asses and screech like impotent mentally disabled children because it's always someone else's duty to shape the earth into their image.

moldbug just published an article about the horrid response of western powers to the virus (and as usual his crazy take on a solution), and at one point he sums up everything about american citizens perfectly, and it definitely applies tenfold more to the elite classes of this country and the west in general:

Here is the answer, without sugar. Americans are children. They are puerile, spoiled and arrogant. When they look in the mirror, all they see is a king or a queen. Can kings be managed? Like wildlife? A king is not an elk.

No king is he who bends the knee. To ask a king to wear a mask, so that a fountain of germs will not erupt from his mouth every time he breathes, coughs or sneezes — what an insult! A king’s breath is always sweet.

this is tommy lee, ellen degeneres, george takei, alyssa milano ... insert your choice here.

 

[Ashen One]

Found this on Twitter, Tommy Lee wrote a letter:
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"FUCK YOU MOM AND DAD, I'M 16! I CAN SWEAR AND SAY FUCK WHENEVER I WANT!"

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

Found this on Twitter, Tommy Lee wrote a letter:
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Tommy Lee really shouldn't be throwing around the names of STDs when trying to insult other people.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

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so all the mass deaths of iraqi,Afghanistan, Pakistani, Yemeni, Somalian, Libyan, Sudanese, Lebanese, Bosnian, and Syrian civilians are ok though. Did I miss anyone else?

these people believe that us history only begun four years ago and no other president before trump had done anything more heinous and that all Americans live under a fascist dictatorship that allows for daily criticism of president trump.

if you think americans dying of the coronavirus is a cause for promoting a political agenda then you're a part of the problem.

Michael Ⓜ️ on Twitter

“Just a reminder. NONE of these men would have been ok with losing a quarter of a million Americans.”

twitter.com

Michael Ⓜ️ on Twitter: "Just a reminder. NONE of these men would have…

archived 5 Apr 2020 21:07:48 UTC

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Bush didn't give a fuck.

 

[Ghostse]

"The End of History" will go down as one of the most spectacularly moronic historical and societal theories ever shat of the occidental academy.
Francis Fukuyama is an absolute fucking hack.
I dare you to find me a better example of out of touch Ivory Tower smugness and elitism.
Apparently Francis never heard about how people thought there could be no more war before the First World War thanks to early forms of globalism and interconnectivity.
Or how the First World War then became the "War to End All Wars" which was also proven catastrophically wrong.
People have been declaring Eternal Peace since at least Pax Romana and they've been wrong every single time.
But thanks to credulous morons in the 90's we're now in our current mess because this time it'll different.
The only thing different with The End of History is that it had "proof" to back up it's fart huffing utopianism.
It'll all happen again in the future of course.
"Good times create weak men..." and all that.

Fukuyama is a hack when he advances much beyond the French Revolution, and he has the usual "soft science" blinders where 'everything obviously primary related to my discipline and anything else is a secondary outgrowth. me me me me'. But as long as he stays in the past, he's pretty good and insightful when you filter some of that singular focus, Origins of Political Order is pretty good and had some good insights.

 

[HumanHive]

"The End of History" will go down as one of the most spectacularly moronic historical and societal theories ever shat of the occidental academy.
Francis Fukuyama is an absolute fucking hack.
I dare you to find me a better example of out of touch Ivory Tower smugness and elitism.
Apparently Francis never heard about how people thought there could be no more war before the First World War thanks to early forms of globalism and interconnectivity.
Or how the First World War then became the "War to End All Wars" which was also proven catastrophically wrong.
People have been declaring Eternal Peace since at least Pax Romana and they've been wrong every single time.
But thanks to credulous morons in the 90's we're now in our current mess because this time it'll different.
The only thing different with The End of History is that it had "proof" to back up it's fart huffing utopianism.
It'll all happen again in the future of course.
"Good times create weak men..." and all that.

I agree, but every generation has their own "end of history" meme. Anyone peddling an end of the world Christ is nigh prophecy is doing the exact same schtick.

 

[The Big O]

Rep. Tavia Galonski on Twitter

“I can’t take it anymore. I’ve been to The Hague. I’m making a referral for crimes against humanity tomorrow. Today’s press conference was the last straw. I know the need for a prosecution referral when I see one. https://t.co/XQin24gqY4”

twitter.com

You know, the more I see sketch politicians protest hydroxychloroquine's increasingly apparent effectiveness against Wu Flu, the more I'm convinced it works and the reason why Trump is leaning in on it so heavily and low-key loosening the requirements to be prescribed it (thanks to things like Right To Try.) They do NOT want to see him be credited for the potential medical discovery equivalent of penicillin.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

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Rep. Tavia Galonski on Twitter

“I can’t take it anymore. I’ve been to The Hague. I’m making a referral for crimes against humanity tomorrow. Today’s press conference was the last straw. I know the need for a prosecution referral when I see one. https://t.co/XQin24gqY4”

twitter.com

You know, the more I see sketch politicians protest hydroxychloroquine's increasingly apparent effectiveness against Wu Flu, the more I'm convinced it works and the reason why Trump is leaning in on it so heavily and low-key loosening the requirements to be prescribed it (thanks to things like Right To Try.) They do NOT want to see him be credited for the potential medical discovery equivalent of penicillin.

I’ve been at work, what exactly happened at the briefing today that pissed her off so much?

 

[Radical Cadre]

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Rep. Tavia Galonski on Twitter

“I can’t take it anymore. I’ve been to The Hague. I’m making a referral for crimes against humanity tomorrow. Today’s press conference was the last straw. I know the need for a prosecution referral when I see one. https://t.co/XQin24gqY4”

twitter.com

You know, the more I see sketch politicians protest hydroxychloroquine's increasingly apparent effectiveness against Wu Flu, the more I'm convinced it works and the reason why Trump is leaning in on it so heavily and low-key loosening the requirements to be prescribed it (thanks to things like Right To Try.) They do NOT want to see him be credited for the potential medical discovery equivalent of penicillin.

So wait, is she able to get around the travel bans or something? Or is she simply saying that she went to the Hague... at some point in the past? Wat?

I’ve been at work, what exactly happened at the briefing today that pissed her off so much?

President Trump continues to be hopeful and optimistic for the future by highlighting positive developments in medical research, among other things. No really, I'm pretty sure that is what is pissing them off.

 

[Banditotron]

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Rep. Tavia Galonski on Twitter

“I can’t take it anymore. I’ve been to The Hague. I’m making a referral for crimes against humanity tomorrow. Today’s press conference was the last straw. I know the need for a prosecution referral when I see one. https://t.co/XQin24gqY4”

twitter.com

You know, the more I see sketch politicians protest hydroxychloroquine's increasingly apparent effectiveness against Wu Flu, the more I'm convinced it works and the reason why Trump is leaning in on it so heavily and low-key loosening the requirements to be prescribed it (thanks to things like Right To Try.) They do NOT want to see him be credited for the potential medical discovery equivalent of penicillin.

It's been incredibly difficult as a sheerly hobby reader of medical science to figure out what the fucking deal is with this particular drug. It has practical applications and, presumably, it wasn't Trump's idea to bring it up, so why can't I find anything concrete about it regarding it's relation to covid-19? It's completely a war of empty editorials.