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Wuhan Coronavirus - COVID-19 Analysis & Summary - This is not just fucking pneumonia. It is everything but the kitchen sink. Lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, brain, blood vessels, testes. It affects them all.
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His nickname should be "Drain Clogger" because he perpetually shits himself.
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Here David. I made this in MSpaint.
Red is fitted curve, green is the datapoints.
This model has an R-sq of 99%!!1! Wow, it's good isn't it? It must be generated with a formula!
No, if you look closely, you can see that the curve consistently underestimates and over estimates, you can see a very clear pattern.
Conclusion: Even if the R-sq is very high, the model could be bad.
You should now understand how R-sq actually works now.
Some might ask, why do I bother?
Simple, I'm bored out of my fucking mind, and I really dislike misinformation.
Combine that with being smug and condescending, it's asking me counter the misinformation.
I hate the liars of People's Daily as much as these unreliable shitty misleading "journalism".
Red is fitted curve, green is the datapoints.
This model has an R-sq of 99%!!1! Wow, it's good isn't it? It must be generated with a formula!
No, if you look closely, you can see that the curve consistently underestimates and over estimates, you can see a very clear pattern.
Conclusion: Even if the R-sq is very high, the model could be bad.
You should now understand how R-sq actually works now.
Some might ask, why do I bother?
Simple, I'm bored out of my fucking mind, and I really dislike misinformation.
Combine that with being smug and condescending, it's asking me counter the misinformation.
I hate the liars of People's Daily as much as these unreliable shitty misleading "journalism".
Train Clopping Clogger, sounds about right for a brony.
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Ahh, there it is. The only counter-argument with even the barest hint of substance.
"But COVID-19 shares all these features with Influenza, which can also cause neurological and multi-organ complications, this is nothing new."
Please explain what sort of influenza causes people to collapse and seize in the street:
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“There are too many of these types after falling to the ground after resuming work! https://t.co/t0RI3eXJm7”
twitter.com
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“China contained the #wuhanchinavirus so well that this fellow should observe the Beijing model and self isolate🧐 https://t.co/QvkTeP6Z48”
twitter.com
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“Now that the Chinese labour force has been ordered back to work the rest of the world just starts taking naps... https://t.co/uTm6Z5mLN9”
twitter.com
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“The Iranian shortage of wet floor signs is a cause for concern. https://t.co/pAlwPFueJd”
twitter.com
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“Looks like a drunkard fell down again... https://t.co/UVmAm6qAYl”
twitter.com
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“HeiLongJiang, an elder fell down on the ground suddenly and and emergency response team was dispatched to confirmed nothing happened at all. https://t.co/agc8QNvrvI”
twitter.com
Encephalitis with influenza is rare. Very rare. In H1N1, the rate is like 12 per million people:
COVID-19 seems to cause encephalitis left and right, if these leaked videos are anything to go by.
Like I said, I copied and pasted it out of Windows Calculator. It had that order of operations already.
I did think about bracketing it just to be sure, but I thought it was fairly unambiguous what I actually meant based on the sum, so I didn't bother.
Okay, I'll grant that's a good point.
But if that is the case, then why were people pushing the lack of variance in the data like it was some kind of smoking gun? Mind you, it wasn't just Barron's saying this. There were numerous people trying to claim that China's data fit a curve a little too perfectly.
This is what the news is trying to say over here:
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
www.bloomberg.com
The US intelligence community has reportedly concluded that China intentionally misrepresented its coronavirus numbers
US officials have accused China of spreading disinformation, and even some Chinese residents have expressed skepticism about the numbers.
www.businessinsider.com
This is quickly devolving into a shitstorm of opprobrium and international name-calling. I am honestly worried about the geopolitical ramifications of all of this.
And now, I'm seeing claims that lifting lockdowns is going to lead to a resurgence in cases:
Coronavirus: An economist’s view of the epidemiological curve
Flattening the peak has been the main goal of administrations across the world, but the trajectory of the virus may be more complicated.
www.weforum.org
Is it really believable that there are no COVID-19 deaths occurring over there right now?
China Reports Its First Day With No New COVID-19 Deaths
The milestone comes a day before the government is set to lift outbound travel restrictions on people in Wuhan, the country's hardest-hit city.
www.npr.org
You know, I find it uncanny that when you take China's claimed 77,000 recoveries and assume about 50,000ish deaths (as the whole urns situation is suggesting), the RCFR is very, very similar to Italy's current RCFR. About 1 in 2.5 of known cases died.
We are assuming there are about 80,000 cases in China, right? Well, lockdowns have absolutely no positive effect on the mortality of existing infections. In fact, they can make it harder for people to access medical care.
Why is the ratio of recovered cases to deaths ten times better in China than in Italy?
They don't have to. I was aware of that when I made it. I thought it was funny.
But there isn't even that much variance in the data that I saw. It wasn't just Barron's that made this claim that the data was fabricated to fit a curve, you know:
r/dataisbeautiful - Comment by u/Antimonic on ”[OC] Quadratic Coronavirus Epidemic Growth Model seems like the best fit”
4,509 votes and 910 comments so far on Reddit
www.reddit.com
EVent Horizon on Twitter
“Last 8 points fit a quadratic with an R^2 of ~0.9999. Let's ignore a scenario where China would be over-reporting the #coronavirus numbers. If the reports were indeed from a model and the actuals were higher... the game is to let the quadratic run until it outpaces the actuals.”
twitter.com
This stuff did the rounds everywhere.
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Nigga they're just doing the Harlem shakeAhh, there it is. The only counter-argument with even the barest hint of substance.
"But COVID-19 shares all these features with Influenza, which can also cause neurological and multi-organ complications, this is nothing new."
Please explain what sort of influenza causes people to collapse and seize in the street:
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“There are too many of these types after falling to the ground after resuming work! https://t.co/t0RI3eXJm7”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“China contained the #wuhanchinavirus so well that this fellow should observe the Beijing model and self isolate🧐 https://t.co/QvkTeP6Z48”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“Now that the Chinese labour force has been ordered back to work the rest of the world just starts taking naps... https://t.co/uTm6Z5mLN9”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“The Iranian shortage of wet floor signs is a cause for concern. https://t.co/pAlwPFueJd”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“Looks like a drunkard fell down again... https://t.co/UVmAm6qAYl”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“HeiLongJiang, an elder fell down on the ground suddenly and and emergency response team was dispatched to confirmed nothing happened at all. https://t.co/agc8QNvrvI”
Encephalitis with influenza is rare. Very rare. In H1N1, the rate is like 12 per million people:
COVID-19 seems to cause encephalitis left and right, if these leaked videos are anything to go by.
Like I said, I copied and pasted it out of Windows Calculator. It had that order of operations already.
I did think about bracketing it just to be sure, but I thought it was fairly unambiguous what I actually meant based on the sum, so I didn't bother.
Okay, I'll grant that's a good point.
But if that is the case, then why were people pushing the lack of variance in the data like it was some kind of smoking gun? Mind you, it wasn't just Barron's saying this. There were numerous people trying to claim that China's data fit a curve a little too perfectly.
This is what the news is trying to say over here:
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The US intelligence community has reportedly concluded that China intentionally misrepresented its coronavirus numbers
US officials have accused China of spreading disinformation, and even some Chinese residents have expressed skepticism about the numbers.
This is quickly devolving into a shitstorm of opprobrium and international name-calling. I am honestly worried about the geopolitical ramifications of all of this.
And now, I'm seeing claims that lifting lockdowns is going to lead to a resurgence in cases:
Coronavirus: An economist’s view of the epidemiological curve
Flattening the peak has been the main goal of administrations across the world, but the trajectory of the virus may be more complicated.
Is it really believable that there are no COVID-19 deaths occurring over there right now?
China Reports Its First Day With No New COVID-19 Deaths
The milestone comes a day before the government is set to lift outbound travel restrictions on people in Wuhan, the country's hardest-hit city.
You know, I find it uncanny that when you take China's claimed 77,000 recoveries and assume about 50,000ish deaths (as the whole urns situation is suggesting), the RCFR is very, very similar to Italy's current RCFR. About 1 in 2.5 of known cases died.
We are assuming there are about 80,000 cases in China, right? Well, lockdowns have absolutely no positive effect on the mortality of existing infections. In fact, they can make it harder for people to access medical care.
Why is the ratio of recovered cases to deaths ten times better in China than in Italy?
They don't have to. I was aware of that when I made it. I thought it was funny.
But there isn't even that much variance in the data that I saw. It wasn't just Barron's that made this claim that the data was fabricated to fit a curve, you know:
r/dataisbeautiful - Comment by u/Antimonic on ”[OC] Quadratic Coronavirus Epidemic Growth Model seems like the best fit”
4,509 votes and 910 comments so far on Reddit
EVent Horizon on Twitter
“Last 8 points fit a quadratic with an R^2 of ~0.9999. Let's ignore a scenario where China would be over-reporting the #coronavirus numbers. If the reports were indeed from a model and the actuals were higher... the game is to let the quadratic run until it outpaces the actuals.”
This stuff did the rounds everywhere.
derpherp2
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Literally quoting people to posit your conspiratard takes.Ahh, there it is. The only counter-argument with even the barest hint of substance.
"But COVID-19 shares all these features with Influenza, which can also cause neurological and multi-organ complications, this is nothing new."
Please explain what sort of influenza causes people to collapse and seize in the street:
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“There are too many of these types after falling to the ground after resuming work! https://t.co/t0RI3eXJm7”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“China contained the #wuhanchinavirus so well that this fellow should observe the Beijing model and self isolate🧐 https://t.co/QvkTeP6Z48”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“Now that the Chinese labour force has been ordered back to work the rest of the world just starts taking naps... https://t.co/uTm6Z5mLN9”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“The Iranian shortage of wet floor signs is a cause for concern. https://t.co/pAlwPFueJd”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“Looks like a drunkard fell down again... https://t.co/UVmAm6qAYl”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“HeiLongJiang, an elder fell down on the ground suddenly and and emergency response team was dispatched to confirmed nothing happened at all. https://t.co/agc8QNvrvI”
Encephalitis with influenza is rare. Very rare. In H1N1, the rate is like 12 per million people:
COVID-19 seems to cause encephalitis left and right, if these leaked videos are anything to go by.
Like I said, I copied and pasted it out of Windows Calculator. It had that order of operations already.
I did think about bracketing it just to be sure, but I thought it was fairly unambiguous what I actually meant based on the sum, so I didn't bother.
Okay, I'll grant that's a good point.
But if that is the case, then why were people pushing the lack of variance in the data like it was some kind of smoking gun? Mind you, it wasn't just Barron's saying this. There were numerous people trying to claim that China's data fit a curve a little too perfectly.
This is what the news is trying to say over here:
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The US intelligence community has reportedly concluded that China intentionally misrepresented its coronavirus numbers
US officials have accused China of spreading disinformation, and even some Chinese residents have expressed skepticism about the numbers.
This is quickly devolving into a shitstorm of opprobrium and international name-calling. I am honestly worried about the geopolitical ramifications of all of this.
And now, I'm seeing claims that lifting lockdowns is going to lead to a resurgence in cases:
Coronavirus: An economist’s view of the epidemiological curve
Flattening the peak has been the main goal of administrations across the world, but the trajectory of the virus may be more complicated.
Is it really believable that there are no COVID-19 deaths occurring over there right now?
China Reports Its First Day With No New COVID-19 Deaths
The milestone comes a day before the government is set to lift outbound travel restrictions on people in Wuhan, the country's hardest-hit city.
You know, I find it uncanny that when you take China's claimed 77,000 recoveries and assume about 50,000ish deaths (as the whole urns situation is suggesting), the RCFR is very, very similar to Italy's current RCFR. About 1 in 2.5 of known cases died.
We are assuming there are about 80,000 cases in China, right? Well, lockdowns have absolutely no positive effect on the mortality of existing infections. In fact, they can make it harder for people to access medical care.
Why is the ratio of recovered cases to deaths ten times better in China than in Italy?
They don't have to. I was aware of that when I made it. I thought it was funny.
But there isn't even that much variance in the data that I saw. It wasn't just Barron's that made this claim that the data was fabricated to fit a curve, you know:
r/dataisbeautiful - Comment by u/Antimonic on ”[OC] Quadratic Coronavirus Epidemic Growth Model seems like the best fit”
4,509 votes and 910 comments so far on Reddit
EVent Horizon on Twitter
“Last 8 points fit a quadratic with an R^2 of ~0.9999. Let's ignore a scenario where China would be over-reporting the #coronavirus numbers. If the reports were indeed from a model and the actuals were higher... the game is to let the quadratic run until it outpaces the actuals.”
This stuff did the rounds everywhere.
And you still wonder why refuting you instead of your arguments is better.
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Dave pls.Ahh, there it is. The only counter-argument with even the barest hint of substance.
"But COVID-19 shares all these features with Influenza, which can also cause neurological and multi-organ complications, this is nothing new."
Please explain what sort of influenza causes people to collapse and seize in the street:
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“There are too many of these types after falling to the ground after resuming work! https://t.co/t0RI3eXJm7”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“China contained the #wuhanchinavirus so well that this fellow should observe the Beijing model and self isolate🧐 https://t.co/QvkTeP6Z48”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“Now that the Chinese labour force has been ordered back to work the rest of the world just starts taking naps... https://t.co/uTm6Z5mLN9”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“The Iranian shortage of wet floor signs is a cause for concern. https://t.co/pAlwPFueJd”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“Looks like a drunkard fell down again... https://t.co/UVmAm6qAYl”
Harry Chen PhD on Twitter
“HeiLongJiang, an elder fell down on the ground suddenly and and emergency response team was dispatched to confirmed nothing happened at all. https://t.co/agc8QNvrvI”
Encephalitis with influenza is rare. Very rare. In H1N1, the rate is like 12 per million people:
COVID-19 seems to cause encephalitis left and right, if these leaked videos are anything to go by.
Like I said, I copied and pasted it out of Windows Calculator. It had that order of operations already.
I did think about bracketing it just to be sure, but I thought it was fairly unambiguous what I actually meant based on the sum, so I didn't bother.
Okay, I'll grant that's a good point.
But if that is the case, then why were people pushing the lack of variance in the data like it was some kind of smoking gun? Mind you, it wasn't just Barron's saying this. There were numerous people trying to claim that China's data fit a curve a little too perfectly.
This is what the news is trying to say over here:
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.
The US intelligence community has reportedly concluded that China intentionally misrepresented its coronavirus numbers
US officials have accused China of spreading disinformation, and even some Chinese residents have expressed skepticism about the numbers.
This is quickly devolving into a shitstorm of opprobrium and international name-calling. I am honestly worried about the geopolitical ramifications of all of this.
And now, I'm seeing claims that lifting lockdowns is going to lead to a resurgence in cases:
Coronavirus: An economist’s view of the epidemiological curve
Flattening the peak has been the main goal of administrations across the world, but the trajectory of the virus may be more complicated.
Is it really believable that there are no COVID-19 deaths occurring over there right now?
China Reports Its First Day With No New COVID-19 Deaths
The milestone comes a day before the government is set to lift outbound travel restrictions on people in Wuhan, the country's hardest-hit city.
You know, I find it uncanny that when you take China's claimed 77,000 recoveries and assume about 50,000ish deaths (as the whole urns situation is suggesting), the RCFR is very, very similar to Italy's current RCFR. About 1 in 2.5 of known cases died.
We are assuming there are about 80,000 cases in China, right? Well, lockdowns have absolutely no positive effect on the mortality of existing infections. In fact, they can make it harder for people to access medical care.
Why is the ratio of recovered cases to deaths ten times better in China than in Italy?
They don't have to. I was aware of that when I made it. I thought it was funny.
But there isn't even that much variance in the data that I saw. It wasn't just Barron's that made this claim that the data was fabricated to fit a curve, you know:
r/dataisbeautiful - Comment by u/Antimonic on ”[OC] Quadratic Coronavirus Epidemic Growth Model seems like the best fit”
4,509 votes and 910 comments so far on Reddit
EVent Horizon on Twitter
“Last 8 points fit a quadratic with an R^2 of ~0.9999. Let's ignore a scenario where China would be over-reporting the #coronavirus numbers. If the reports were indeed from a model and the actuals were higher... the game is to let the quadratic run until it outpaces the actuals.”
This stuff did the rounds everywhere.
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Why won't you answer my questions, David? I'm asking things you can actually answer, not questions better put to someone with relevant education.
Stasi
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lolcalmdown
I though this kind of faggotry was mostly for under developed teenagers trying to win pointless internet arguments but here we have a grown man throwing around walls of text with unrelated links all over the place.
Brevity is the soul of wit David.
Holy shit. No comprehension of basic mathematics and he thinks he can lecture people about scientific papers on a complex subject like this.
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"If these totally unverified videos are legit, then COVID-19 could maybe possibly cause encephalitis"
You aren't even making an argument here
Of course it's not believable you illiterate autist.
Asking questions like that doesn't make you look smart, it actually does the exact opposite. You don't have any answers, so you're copying what your special ed teacher does when she wants to lead you towards the right answer. It's painfully transparent and you're not fooling anyone.
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If David wasn't a sped, he should've been pitied and shown love.
Instead, he's spreading misery.
Instead, he's spreading misery.
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But we now have multiple case studies showing that the virus was found in cerebrospinal fluid and brain tissue. Mind you, SARS was known to be neurotropic, as well. Not only was it found in the brains of victims of the 2003 outbreak, it was also found to be able to infect the olfactory bulbs of transgenic hACE2 mice. There's tons of evidence for it. ACE2 receptors are indeed found in human neurons and the virus can attack those tissues and infect them directly.
Evidence of the COVID-19 Virus Targeting the CNS: Tissue Distribution, Host–Virus Interaction, and Proposed Neurotropic Mechanisms (2020-03-13) [https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acschemneuro.0c00122]
You know what other tissues in the body have ACE2 receptors? The endothelial lining of the blood vessels and the blood-brain barrier.
What if the virus can break through the BBB and into the brain by direct endothelial cell infection? How would we even know? Have they even looked for evidence of this?
4 Clues That SARS-CoV-2 Invades the Brain
[updated 26/3/20] “They’re just not thinking that the brain could be the site of the problem,” says a neuropathologist.
medium.com
There is lots and lots of evidence for the highly aggressive neurotropism of this virus. People are suffering anosmia, the loss of their sense of smell. How do you know if that's from an infection of their olfactory nerve or not?
I know what I saw.
I know people are trying to cope with gallows humor, and in ordinary circumstances, I would be right there with you, laughing at the absurdity of all this.
However, I don't happen to think that any of this is very fucking funny at all.
It's actually not particularly funny that a highly contagious neurotropic airborne virus is going around that can, in some cases, make people collapse on the ground with seizures and die.
It is hilarious, however, that libtards who would ordinarily never even entertain the idea that such a thing as crisis actors exist have come out against these videos claiming that they're fake and full of crisis actors.
It's especially hilarious when even the fucking Guardian thinks the videos are real:
Dissent becomes the next victim of coronavirus as China cracks down
Analysts say epidemic poses gravest threat to authorities since Tiananmen Square – and Beijing’s tight control could backfire
www.theguardian.com
Now you're a "conspiratard" for agreeing with a position held by the fucking Guardian.
My fucking sides.
Maybe because it's a red herring and irrelevant to this discussion?
derpherp2
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Academics pls respond.
Oh also speaking of psych profiles I noticed you fall back on spastically citing retarded youtube videos when you're stressed in an attempt to drown out dissenting opinion, while sprinkling what amounts to a piddly non distributio medii (oh hey that's why your retardo latin is itallicised, lol)
Good job totally not caring tho.
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@Drain Todger you're mistaking absolute numbers for relative. Again. The sheer number of infections in such a short time would mean that of course a large number of people would suffer extreme symptoms on that same short period, but that's a meaningless number. If half the planet caught flu at the same time, it would also result in an abundance of extreme reactions in a relatively short period simply because of the numbers involved.
Again, you are utterly shit at assessing rekative risks and have no concept of small Vs far away.
Again, you are utterly shit at assessing rekative risks and have no concept of small Vs far away.
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OH NOES COSINE FUNCTIONS ARE CORRELATING WITH THE DIFFERENTIALS ALMOST PERFECTLY, THAT NO MAKE NO SENSE MAMA MIA!
Guess these are COVID cases as well, fuck guys we're all beat!
ACE-2 Receptors are important in how the virus binds in the lungs. Initially it is believed that was the primary cause, and only factor in relation to the COVID deaths. There is data supporting the hemoglobin levels getting jammed up physically by the virus binding to the Iron ions in the blood, giving COVID patients more along the lines of high altitude sickness, and the pneumonia is the later stage effect once the virus has totally taken control. The primary driver initially is beginning to get proven to be an side effect for the actual underlying prognosis, which makes sense for a NOVEL viral pathogen. Earlier testing and being able to shorten the differential between complications for the unlucky 5% is the biggest issue in medicine currently, this type of aliment hasn't popped up in almost a century. Luckily the global community thanks to modern science is able to tackle this problem faster than in 1918 unlike what the media likes people to think.
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Yeah. Let's get some actual academics in this thread who understand biology.
Mind you, this virus doesn't actually have to get through the BBB at all, because it can ascend the parasympathetic nerves of the lungs, enter the vagus nerve, and then enter the brain stem.
Influenza can pull off this neat little trick, too:
The difference is that with Influenza, it's really, really rare. With SARS-CoV-2, it's common, because this virus deeply invades various tissues, and it does so reliably.
Oh, by the way, I contacted actual PhDs, including Dr. Todd Rider and Dr. Kevin McCairn, and not only did they agree with my conclusions, they gave my work the thumbs-up.
This is the same guy who said my video on the virus would "put most MDs and PhDs to shame".
Legit, actual scientist:
Kevin W McCairn
Kevin MCCAIRN of Kyoto University, Kyoto (Kyodai) | Read 22 publications | Contact Kevin MCCAIRN
www.researchgate.net
Calipers permanently BTFO.
The surge of cases is dangerous because it causes deaths-by-proxy. In other words, if hospitals are suddenly jammed full of COVID-19 patients, they'll have a harder time treating cancer, strokes, heart attacks, gunshot wounds... all other causes of death. If a hospital is suddenly overwhelmed, it increases mortality from all causes. There's also the extremely high risk of nosocomial infections with this virus. If you introduce COVID-19 patients into a hospital, guess what? Everyone else who is being treated there will start getting sick with it as well, simply due to being in the same building with them.
One of the earliest reports on the virus indicated that 41 fucking percent of the patients they counted in the study were hospital-acquired infections.
Clinical Characteristics of Patients With 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)–Infected Pneumonia in Wuhan, China
This single-center case series describes the demographics, symptoms, laboratory and imaging findings, treatment, and clinical course of 138 patients hospitalized with 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV)–infected pneumonia (NCIP) in Wuhan, China, highlighting presumed human-to-human...
Oh, look. They're digging mass graves in New York, now.
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The problem is that he thinks ACE-2 receptors on other organs matter, and so far have been citing the SAME study only saying that the brain has those receptors instead of explaining why it's relevant in the first place, while somehow knowing the Blood-brain barrier exists.
It's like he's trying to argue while trying to get us to make his arguments for him. It's pretty retarded.
Dude makes a hypothesis and ASKS NORMIES TO DO THE RESEARCH FOR HIM.
Legit, actual scientist:
lul.
You really need new material.
How about try citing Black Science Man next time?
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ACE-2 Receptors are important in how the virus binds in the lungs. Initially it is believed that was the primary cause, and only factor in relation to the COVID deaths. There is data supporting the hemoglobin levels getting jammed up physically by the virus binding to the Iron ions in the blood, giving COVID patients more along the lines of high altitude sickness, and the pneumonia is the later stage effect once the virus has totally taken control. The primary driver initially is beginning to get proven to be an side effect for the actual underlying prognosis, which makes sense for a NOVEL viral pathogen. Earlier testing and being able to shorten the differential between complications for the unlucky 5% is the biggest issue in medicine currently, this type of aliment hasn't popped up in almost a century. Luckily the global community thanks to modern science is able to tackle this problem faster than in 1918 unlike what the media likes people to think. EDITEVEN IF THE LUNGS AREN'T THE ONLY REASON, IT STILL CAN BE ASSUMED THAT MOST LITERATURE STATES THE PROMIENCE OF ACE-2 RECPITORS FOR BINDING IN THE LUNGS IN EARLY STUDIES/OBSERVATIONS MADE OUTSIDE OF STUDIES. THE FUNCTIONALITY IN ALL ORGANS IS WIDELY MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT STILL MY SUCCEDDING POINTS STAND.)
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1. I'm in the middle of getting the data ready. Going to ignore all the babble coming from economists.
2. Of course it's not believable that no one is dying from the virus in China, because:
Notice how China's numbers are very similar to Korea's?
Oh and yeah, people are still dropping dead from Coronachan.
3. China's intelligence claims US citizens hunt nigggers for fun (I condone hunting bronies and furries for fun), USA intelligence claims China has fake numbers... yawn. I have acknowledged more than twice that the numbers are definitely underestimated.
4. Lockdown and authoritarian fist makes people scared to go out and pass the virus around. Of course there's existing conditions. China could have responded 7 days earlier if those Wuhan politicians weren't dipshits, and the numbers would be even more mundane looking. This still doesn't mean the virus won't blow up elsewhere.
Funny how you simply ignore South Korea and Singapore, both of which have better numbers than China. So are they lying too?
5. Thanks for that twitter. It's going to be pretty useful when I analyse the data. Important information is still missing, a child can fit a curve over some data. His predictions became very unreliable after mid-Feb.
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You have autism.That’s my whole point. You habitually indulge in ridicule because rhetoric simply escapes you. You people do not realize that ridicule is not a substitute for rhetoric, nor does it augment rhetoric in any way, shape, or form.
This is not a problem specific to Kiwi Farms. It is common for mouth-breathers on the internet to confuse contradiction with argument. This happened on SpaceBattles all the time. Nine times out of ten, nobody actually bothers to refute anything. All they do is invoke the burden of proof and demand more and more citations, and then, when you do actually cite your sources, they say that your sources mean the opposite of what you think. It is argumentation by means of Kafkaesque gaslighting, and it is not valid.
COVID-19 causes severe autoimmune damage in multiple vital organs, and it causes sepsis and widespread clotting that eventually leads to infarcts. All of these patients have elevated inflammatory cytokines and elevated D-dimer levels indicative of this.
Why Some COVID-19 Patients Crash: The Body's Immune System Might Be To Blame
An overblown immune response could be killing a portion of the sick, and some doctors think that new treatments being tested could help at least some of those patients.www.npr.org
COVID-19: Abnormal Clotting Common in More Severe Disease
Chinese clinicians on the early front lines argue for anticoagulationwww.medpagetoday.com
I have provided ample evidence of these claims. Now, if you’re going to argue this, you have to actually refute the fucking claim.
“Oh, that’s crazy, that’s absurd, you’re being silly, let's discuss how you came to be so silly and ignore the content of your argument,” is not a refutation. Trust me, you Kiwis aren’t the only ones to get that wrong. I see this sort of faux-argumentation everywhere online, where all argument consists essentially of attacking credibility of sources or simply declaring ideas absurd without any actual refutation. It is an anti-intellectual poison that is ruining online discourse, and I tire of it.
Stop engaging in Bulverism and refute the fucking claim.