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The bat flu may have been in the US since the fall of 2019, specifically in California, the No 1 destination for Chinese, particularly those on direct flights from Wuhan. It seems that bad hygiene, wet markets and Silicon Valley may have all converged into the perfect storm for a pandemic, with a little help from the WHO. NYC began circulating a bat flu strain from Europe in February 2020.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-investigates-if-COVID-19-came-to-Calif-in-15187085.php
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There may be something to the suspicion those of us who got a bad "flu" anytime from November 2019 to February 2020 may have been experiencing Corona-chan's loving embrace.
 
Just drive to the fucking restaurant and pick up the food yourself. Why add another person into the process that could be coofing all over your food?
Or just cook your own shit with your quarantine free time. Do those people think that all their takeout is bathed in hand sanitizer or something? Cardboard and paper seems to hold coronavirus the longest so if someone coofed on your McRib wrapper..
 




Will we ever find out what's causing the reinfections? I just wanna know if this fiasco is just Spanish Flu MK-II or Nier (not the one with the robot coomer bait, the one where a father/brother inadvertently destroys the world.)

This virus could be a lot harder to test accurately than we have assumed up to this point. If that's the case, then ... Shit. That sucks. I hope that's not the case.

Perhaps there's a certain "window" of time between recovering from the virus and for the antibodies to actually start working? It's not uncommon for people to recover from the flu only to relapse within days, either. Perhaps their immune systems are still vulnerable because of how hard their bodies have worked to fight off the WuFlu. Heck, I'm sure we have all heard stories about people getting sick immediately after getting a flu shot, right (and flu shots are essentially being injected with the virus itself)? That's certainly happened to me more than once. Maybe the body gets overwhelmed and vulnerable before the antibodies start to actually work, which would mean that people should probably be quarantined for longer than just 2 weeks.

For real, though: The West should really get on with testing and understanding the antibodies already. It may actually become more important to start testing "recovered" patients. My number one question would be that if people test positive after supposedly recovering, then would that patient become contagious again, or would the antibodies still be present? With other types of Coronaviruses, like certain strains of the flu or the common cold, it's pretty common knowledge that there's a time period for those who are sick where they are contagious, and then they aren't anymore even if they haven't fully recovered from their symptoms.

I trust the information coming from South Korea, as they have been pretty transparent and successful with how they've tackled this the entire time. I'm glad somebody is trying to figure this out.

Also, lol at the article basically saying that "China must be worried because they've done such a good job, and now they might catch it again!" When are mainstream outlets finally going to stop taking China's numbers seriously?
 
This virus could be a lot harder to test accurately than we have assumed up to this point. If that's the case, then ... Shit. That sucks. I hope that's not the case.

Perhaps there's a certain "window" of time between recovering from the virus and for the antibodies to actually start working? It's not uncommon for people to recover from the flu only to relapse within days, either. Perhaps their immune systems are still vulnerable because of how hard their bodies have worked to fight off the WuFlu. Heck, I'm sure we have all heard stories about people getting sick immediately after getting a flu shot, right (and flu shots are essentially being injected with the virus itself)? That's certainly happened to me more than once. Maybe the body gets overwhelmed and vulnerable before the antibodies start to actually work, which would mean that people should probably be quarantined for longer than just 2 weeks.

For real, though: The West should really get on with testing and understanding the antibodies already. It may actually become more important to start testing "recovered" patients. My number one question would be that if people test positive after supposedly recovering, then would that patient become contagious again, or would the antibodies still be present? With other types of Coronaviruses, like certain strains of the flu or the common cold, it's pretty common knowledge that there's a time period for those who are sick where they are contagious, and then they aren't anymore even if they haven't fully recovered from their symptoms.

I trust the information coming from South Korea, as they have been pretty transparent and successful with how they've tackled this the entire time. I'm glad somebody is trying to figure this out.

Also, lol at the article basically saying that "China must be worried because they've done such a good job, and now they might catch it again!" When are mainstream outlets finally going to stop taking China's numbers seriously?
Interesting. I felt crappy for a couple days back in early February, took one day off to rest, and then felt fine and went back to work, and the next day I woke up horribly sick and had to take the next four or five days off to sleep. No idea if it was Corona, but the symptoms fit. My boss got it too, the exact same way. I wonder if there's any pattern to the relapses...
 
Interesting. I felt crappy for a couple days back in early February, took one day off to rest, and then felt fine and went back to work, and the next day I woke up horribly sick and had to take the next four or five days off to sleep. No idea if it was Corona, but the symptoms fit. My boss got it too, the exact same way. I wonder if there's any pattern to the relapses...

Before anyone even knew about COVID-19, health organizations were very loud in saying that this flu season was going to be one of he worst in a long time. They were right, whether COVID-19 played into those numbers or not.

There is so much about this virus that literally nobody knows about. Sometimes I think that the doctors are guessing just as much as we are at this point. That's what makes this scary.
 
I'm sure we have all heard stories about people getting sick immediately after getting a flu shot, right (and flu shots are essentially being injected with the virus itself)?


Most flu vaccines are inactivated, so if you’ve had one of them, any sicky feeling after is not due to the virus making you ill. You can experience feeling your immune system react, that can give you that chills/low fever feeling, but it’s not the virus per se, it’s your immune system reacting. A lot of the symptoms of colds are your immune system, rather than directly caused by virus
There are some live/attenuated flu vaccines - the ones that are a nasal spray and are attenuated (weakened.) they change the virus to be temperature sensitive so it’s surviving in the nose but can’t in the lungs. You often shed that and it can transmit, but remains the weakened version and so almost never causes serious illness. Again this can cause mild symptoms like a runny nose or mild fever.

And of course, people catch on average a few colds a year so a big proportion of people who reports symptoms have a coincidental cold or other virus
 
Heyo. News time again. The Andalusian Healthcare System's Gerencia (PP, as always) has sent a note threatening sanctions to healthcare personnel publishing their disgust at their administration on the press or social groups. This note was immediately leaked to the press and social groups alongside ample airing of disgust at their administration. Yeah, eh, if they thought this would stop the unions from chopping off the heads of the fucktards who've crossed the line of criminality, it's only gotten us to sharpen our axes. Those sanctions would be illegal and the unions are ready. If they try, we will only chop off more heads for it. I can't leak the note because it's not gotten to cadiz but pretty much every fucking radio program and news program down south's been talking aboug it.

Exemply gratia: https://www.lavozdelsur.es/el-sas-a...lan-con-la-prensa-o-publican-quejas-en-redes/

A3 media keeps being exceptional as fuck, most people don't even care anymore. I still get those news because my mom is keeps watching it to "see what the propaganda is" and then leaks it my way. But most people I know are just straight up boycotting those globalist catalonian fucks.

General mood is EU is already dead. I tried to not say everything to not let my perception color what other's said while checking the pulse but I must admit my friends know I've always been anti-EU. But I swear I've never seen so much vile at anything ever, not even against Al Quaeda after 11M. EVERYONE has reasons to hate it. Cops hate it for border destruction and how it's aided the moroccans and gypsies, healthcare personnel hate it for border destruction and how it's brought healthcare turists, engineers hate it for stupid globalist meddling and the job destruction it's caused, Farmers hate it for our export stifling and the economic turmoil its caused, and scietists hate it most of all for it's bullshit legislation against biotech that's gotten them (which, in case you don't know, spain is a leader in biotech and medical science) to do fucking legal maneuvering and god damned loopty loops with rhetoric just to do their god damned job, and which thanks to the retarded bologna plan that most universities have just straight up refused to follow (as my genetic engineering professor liked to say, only good thing that ever came out of bologna was the sauce.) Is trying to push anti-stem bullshit down our throats. And more importantly, now everyone's being VOCAL about it. I told you, we can endure a lot until we have reason to mobilize. But mobilization can't and won't be pushed back once it starts. This was the last stab. At this point, I'd recommend the EU doesn't listen to Sanchez at all. Because unless they actually destroy that fucking legislation once and for all even if Sanchez doesn't, next president will. Sppain is breaking off, period, only negotiation to be made is with the brits. As I said this was already a thing since when Podemos formed. This has just been the last straw. Everyone now agrees only thing Europe does is keeping us back. And the idiot globalist economists trying to keep us chained are the same that tried to chain us to China, so their credibility is sub cero levels. West Europe is coming back. And with france burning and netherlands doing their best to piss everyone off there's not a damned thing the central powers can do about it.

By the way. We already got a name for when we ally with Italy, Portugal and Britain. The Western Roman Coalition.
 
The EU's never given a blank cheque out in its life, and its responce to the worst hit states has been so woeful its pathetic. They could've sent aid, sent medics, closed their borders and got on top of it, but nope.
Frankly, why should the EU hand out blank cheques?
And to wit: Germany has accepted patients from Lombardy, Bergamo and other areas. It has helped bringing back home Europeans stranded all over the globe.
But that last part really fascinates me: What would closing the borders have achieved? At what point should that have happened? I read that all over the internet and I genuinely do not understand what that would have achieved or how that would have helped anyone at any given moment.

Throw the southern europeans under the bus and block legally bought goods from being "exported" (what, inside the big ol trade bloc that's supposed to be the crowning achievement and they talk about there being no borders inside? Hahaha).
Need a source on that. I know that Germany stopped some exports going through their territory, but they send them out later on. As far as I know, they have not seized any goods permanently. Also top noth argument. "They should close the borders - but how dare they close the borders!"

It won't have been the EU that destroyed itself, but France and Germany, the two "leaders" of the project showing their true colours in a crisis and suddenly becoming French and German again after decades of playing lip service to pretending to be "european".
I guess they were paying lip-service to being "european" when they bankrolled the EU for decades and paid all these southern nations subsidies and carried them through financial crisis, too?
Don't take this the wrong way, but you're not particularly neutral, when it comes to the EU and it shows.

Germany wants to retain a modicum of control over their own national budget. If Eurobonds are introduced, any nation in the EU can just go Yolo on their budget and Northern Europe will have to bail them out, something that -by the way- was never meant to happen in the EU in the first place.
It's not like Germany and the Netherlands have refused to help Italy and Spain, they just don't want to help them on the current terms demanded by Italy and Spain.
Is it any more responsible to go "These are our demands and we'll stall any other alternative"? The EU is working on several fronts to factor in money for post-crisis reconstruction into future budgets, they want to expand the ESM to cover this, special funds to support smaller businesses and so on. People prentending the EU just shuns Italy and Spain and refuses to pay them a dime are delusional at best. Some of this shit does take time and that is bad, I am not arguing it isn't. I hope that the EU will get some shit underway quickly to help now as well - and it looks like they are working on that, just so happens that some countries have different opinions and ideas on how to achieve that.

The EU will help Italy and Spain, they simply have to. It is in the EU's own interest to keep those nations' economies going, but they won't introduce Eurobonds to do so.
This time it's a pandemic, next time, it might be some other issue a nation has and in the end, Eurobonds are demanded whenever a governement stubs its toe and wants a bill taken care of.
Of course the ones that would have to bail them out have no intention of essentially taking the fall for nations that no longer have any incentive to make a working budget.

It's not like Germany (or any other northern nation for that matter) is just one blob of stuff that magically generates money, the population of the affected nations have a bit of a say in these matters, too. And you might have noticed: The Wu Flu did not stop at the Italian and Spanish borders, Germany is affected, too. We have enough on our plate that we need to take care of ourselves to just hand out big wads of cash without any accountability attached to them.

As I said: The EU has to help. It will help. But why is it so bad they don't want to hand out blank cheques?
 
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This virus could be a lot harder to test accurately than we have assumed up to this point. If that's the case, then ... Shit. That sucks. I hope that's not the case.

Perhaps there's a certain "window" of time between recovering from the virus and for the antibodies to actually start working? It's not uncommon for people to recover from the flu only to relapse within days, either. Perhaps their immune systems are still vulnerable because of how hard their bodies have worked to fight off the WuFlu. Heck, I'm sure we have all heard stories about people getting sick immediately after getting a flu shot, right (and flu shots are essentially being injected with the virus itself)? That's certainly happened to me more than once. Maybe the body gets overwhelmed and vulnerable before the antibodies start to actually work, which would mean that people should probably be quarantined for longer than just 2 weeks.

For real, though: The West should really get on with testing and understanding the antibodies already. It may actually become more important to start testing "recovered" patients. My number one question would be that if people test positive after supposedly recovering, then would that patient become contagious again, or would the antibodies still be present? With other types of Coronaviruses, like certain strains of the flu or the common cold, it's pretty common knowledge that there's a time period for those who are sick where they are contagious, and then they aren't anymore even if they haven't fully recovered from their symptoms.

I trust the information coming from South Korea, as they have been pretty transparent and successful with how they've tackled this the entire time. I'm glad somebody is trying to figure this out.

Also, lol at the article basically saying that "China must be worried because they've done such a good job, and now they might catch it again!" When are mainstream outlets finally going to stop taking China's numbers seriously?
There's something called antibody-dependent enhancement where having antibodies similar to the serotype of virus doesn't neutralize or kill it but actually causes it to bind to receptor cells. It's not well understood and there are various theories as to how it can happen but the fact some people can get infected, recover, get infected instead and then not only become sick again but very sick is scary. Here's a not very well written Wikipedia article about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement
 




Will we ever find out what's causing the reinfections? I just wanna know if this fiasco is just Spanish Flu MK-II or Nier (not the one with the robot coomer bait, the one where a father/brother inadvertently destroys the world.)

The information that they've decided to skip is this :
- The patients are being evaluated for what medications they're on that could have suppressed the result of the first test.
- The more likely option that the tests were faulty.

Korea won't readily admit the last one, because it puts in question every test then. People are already getting sick of the CDC and their want for complete control.
Their whole model relies on near-complete social compliance.
They already have all the phone data from people to know where they're going. People are sick of getting the messages 24/7 about it. Most ignore it. They're already questioning how much information the government has.
Their ICU numbers are way down, so it demonstrates that in fact, the disease may infect a lot of people but it doesn't have a high kill count. People are already seeing this and getting sick of being told what to do.
A lot of young people are questioning why this outbreak has been dealt with in such a dramatic way compared to
SARS and MERS - more deadly diseases. It was handled without mass panic and without severe liberty restrictions (tho Korea has been less severe than the west). They're questioning (and resisting) things like electronic wristbands for people in self-isolation. https://archive.vn/X5Ln6

One head of infectious disease in SK, (I forget which one but if I find it, I'll add it) said it's likely that as the cases drop off, it's not going to be due to social distancing so much as it is due to the virus has spread enough that well, herd immunity. People aren't really "social distancing" in Korea. Hagwons (cram schools) are still open at like 89% capacity.
Everywhere else is open. They're not on lockdown.
Korea's testing is good, it's strong, but it's not as strong or as high as delusional westerners think. People who need to be tested are being tested. When they bring in antibody tests, it will be more interesting than these swab tests. I tend to fully agree with that notion, personally.
They also believe that it was in the population way before Wuhan told anyone and that it spreads as an asymptomatic
infection more often than it produces symptoms.

Which leads to this :
The UK says antibody tests weren't "accurate enough".
The US finally getting antibody testing in San Miguel, Colorado.
Today? For some "reason" officials decided that the lab cannot handle their needs, so no more tests. The lab says hold up, yes we can, we're getting it done. Very odd. Sort of gives the vibe that anti-body tests might tell a story that they don't want the public to know. Either side of the fence.

What's disturbing is how Brave New World this is :
St Louis Fed Bank's Bullard wants -
Bullard, appearing on CBS News' Face the Nation, said the United States could use available technology to test "every single person" for the coronavirus every day and then provide them with a badge to indicate they've been tested and can return to the workforce.
Hitler wanted to protect his people from the Jews, so he pinned a badge to their chest and gassed them.

But at some stage, nearly all governments will have to strike a balance between ensuring public safety and getting their countries running again. They may also find themselves weighing what is best for society against individual rights, using biological criteria in ways that almost certainly would be rejected absent the current emergency.
From an ethical perspective, she argued, the question of using antibodies as a basis for free movement reconciles a utilitarian vision of what is best for society with respect for individual humanity by protecting “the most fragile, not marginalizing them.”

“It’s not discriminating,” she said. “It’s protecting.”

Basically telling you outright what they want. You don't need rights. At all. You cannot have the right to get sick. You stay in your pod until we've worked out a vaccine for you. What's creepy is that Alex Jones was right about this kind of stuff.
 
I'm a little confused on how the virus spreading further through the air than 6 feet is suddenly big news. Weren't there several studies about this back in February, maybe even January? What changed?

It's just weird to me that half the time this stuff hits main stream media I keep thinking "wait, this is new information? Didn't we know this awhile ago?". It just seems hinky to me.

It's like when they were still saying "no person to person transmission!" when it couldn't make any sense for that to be true based on how much it had spread at that point.

It's time to bring up the Mantra once more from 200+ pages ago. Due to my back ground and the research/archive of information given here on this site we have been spot on on how we need to protect ourselves.

The Corona Virus is:
1. This virus can be airborne and can survive hours on end and travel across great distances.
2. This virus can be transferred through vapor droplets up to 6+ feet away.
3. This virus can survive up to 5 days on a very smooth surface and a lot longer on a rough surface.
4. This virus can be transmitted through Urine.
5. This virus can be transmitted though fecal matter.
6. This virus can be transferred via contact. Example. Handshaking, bumping into each other.


This is why the virus is so infectious. This also explains why sudden hot spots begin where there were no usual way of spreading the disease. EXAMPLE: It was reported that the virus was in China's currency. A great way to spread a contagion.

NOTE this is what you are supposed to do during cold/flu

To deal with a virus.

1. Wash your hands with a BAR of Soap. It's cheaper and lasts longer in the long run than liquid soap.
2. Daily wipe down all of your contact surfaces such as door knobs and handles with disinfectant.
3. Separate your clothing. One for outside and one for inside. Place in different hampers and disinfect daily -or- wash daily. Have a designated area for your outside clothing and shoes. Disinfect your shoes.
4. Shower Daily.
5. Change your bedding weekly.
6. Cotton or throw away rubber gloves are to be used.
7. TAKE VITAMINS!.
8. Drink plenty of liquids
9. Eat right and eat at home. Which means that the fast food joint is not your friend.
10. AVOID large crowds.


If you have the virus/illness. To make things easier on your life...
A mild case you should.

1. Tamaflu or some variation of it.
2. Stay warm.
3. Hepa filter air cleaner where you are bed ridden.
4. Shower daily.
5. Some sort of expectorant
6. Take your vitamins
7. Drink plenty of fluids.
8. REST.
9. Stay indoors
10. Change your bedding daily if possible.
11. Wash your hands.
12. Wipe down areas with disinfectant where you grab on to something.


What you are trying to do is to remove/reduce as much of the virus that is on you/around your person. Rest and eating right will help you recover quickly than not and of course contact your doctor for instruction.

This should help regardless because you know we are still in cold & flu season. Just the suggestions I use to avoid getting real sick during cold/flu season. Seems to work for me. It should work for you.

# Note:

As far as using a mask. Many people who are using the mask are not wearing it right for any real benefit. If you do not have one a bandana and/or a t-shirt will work as a stop gap. I have also stated that a painters/construction mask would work as well.

We have posted this info months ago on what to do and how to protect yourself.... Which is now mostly being followed by most governments as for giving out the information.

#Note: If you think that because you ARE Black you fucking THINK that the color of your fucking skin OR that God is going to save you.. YOU ARE ONE DUMB ASS SHIT.


Now as for myself Something bad happened. I'm fine. Wife is OK. I did state that I did had to go to Plagueville a few days back.

Well in several regions where I am covering everything is starting to go sideways again. Because of the ignorance of people, such as spreading dumb shit about their color of their skin is going to protect them, or just IGNORING what they need to do a lot of people are getting sick. The data you see I strongly believe is being under reported and even it is correct it is ONLY a fraction of how many people are really sick.

I believe this is a very infectious virus with too many vectors and too many strains to have a quick vaccine.
I believe up to 1/2 of the people in the US will be affected.
I believe that a majority of this will be minor.
I also believe that Minor cases can get worse if not proper measures are not taken to keep yourself safe.

So Kiwi brothers stay safe and we will be able to ride this out in a few weeks.
 
Better question: If China was mass-producing all of these supplies for the entire world for several decades in a row with very few concerns with the quality of the product that they were selling, how is it now that the pandemic is rolling, suddenly all of the supplies that they're sending to other countries are faulty, inadequate, or already infected when that sort of consistent failure was never a problem before?

I've half a mind to suspect that they're sending out bunk supplies on purpose.
They have also produced the cheapest and lowest quality copies during that time. China must have ramped up their production of all kinds of protective gear during this, and now that they have more than they need themselves they have probably started dumping the lowest quality shit on other countries.
 
China must have ramped up their production of all kinds of protective gear during this, and now that they have more than they need themselves they have probably started dumping the lowest quality shit on other countries.
And they try to portray it in the light of charity. If that's not adding insult to injury, I don't know what is.
 
Basically telling you outright what they want. You don't need rights. At all. You cannot have the right to get sick. You stay in your pod until we've worked out a vaccine for you. What's creepy is that Alex Jones was right about this kind of stuff.

Pretty soon we're going to be seeing articles about how you can do YOUR part to fight coronavirus by eating bugs instead of meat.
 
Update-posting for Ukraine (IS NOT WEAK).

Confirmed: 1892 +224 from yesterday.
Active: 1790 +209 from yesterday.
Cured: 45 +10 from yesterday.
Dead: 57 +5 from yesterday.

Someone from the government suggested that we don't really need mass testing. Really gets the noggin' jogging.

We don't need it. It'd be good, it's certainly better if we could, but it ain't needed.

They have also produced the cheapest and lowest quality copies during that time. China must have ramped up their production of all kinds of protective gear during this, and now that they have more than they need themselves they have probably started dumping the lowest quality shit on other countries.

Oh no. They don't have more than they need. Look at the videos on how they made this posted on this thread. They just only ever made trash to export, they care about their population as much as they care about ours, which is nothing. Also, chink "aid" always comes with strings. None of it is real aid at all.
 
We don't need it. It'd be good, it's certainly better if we could, but it ain't needed.

How does one measure the impact of the corona then? Why the quarantine at all?

I know these questions were asked a million times but if we don't need mass testing, then we don't need such draconian, restrictive measures.
 
Remember, Kiwis, no matter how badly you have suffered from this, you must always remember the plight of our African-American friends who have things 1488% harder because racism and shit.

The very first sentence tells you all you need to know about the direction this article is heading:

The coronavirus entered Milwaukee from a white, affluent suburb. Then it took root in the city’s black community and erupted.

Very odd that they want the CDC to track this by race when liberals freak the fuck out whenever race is attributed to any other study (crime, IQ, HIV rates, etc).

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