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Bill Maher weighs in on Kung Flu, and immediately the CCP shills spit out Xi's cock from their mouths long enough to sputter incoherently with rage.


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That April 10 article is tarded, half of it it an opinion filled Wiki on who the author thinks this guy is and the other part has dumb shit like-
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Does catching a cold / flu make you immune to the cold / flu?

We already know there are 3 "strains" of COVID19, with dozens of "subclusters." Read: We already know there are hundreds of strains of COVID19.

It's gonna be a miracle if we can make a vaccine for it.


Local Archive of Maher video (For some reason it downloaded as a mkv file initially, had to redownload as a mk4 as mkv was not allowed):
 
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One of the most depressing things to find out recently is the odds of herd immunity may not even occur. People are being re-infected with Covid after having it before and getting sick ''again''. There doesn't seem to be much immunity if you've already had it.

If there were zero immunity you'd never get better like HIV. Your body has to develop antibodies to clear out the virus or you'd just die and there's be a 100% fatality rate. I stand to be corrected, I'm no doctor, but my understanding is the 400 odd thousand who have gotten over the virus at this point have to have developed some immunity, even if it's limited or their body wouldn't have gotten rid of the virus.
 
Well, they did and the chinks paid damn good money. For our recyclables. The bottom dropped outta the market. They stopped buying.

When the recycle truck comes by on Thursday to empty the blue bin, I guarantee those are going to the same landfill as the general garbage green bin is going on Tuesday.

Fucked as it is, there is zero market for recyclables right now.

Anyone with a bigger brain, please feel free to prove me wrong.


My brain ain't big but I think 200Billion > 0. I mean. It's not the biggest industry, it should be expanded, but it's viable.


Yeah. Being outside for no reason's still punished. Aglomerations still banned, including school, sports and church and general lockdow still going on but now non-essential work has reopened. If we could be more careful we would be. Fuck we don't even have the tests to know just how hard we're about to get assraped, but as always southern europe stands alone, can't let the economy plummet even if we all fear the incoming spike. Healthcare's a tad on edge but so far nothing too noticeable, measures are being taken to avoid hospital outbreaks.
 
If there's proof, I want to see it. Otherwise, I'm calling bullshit.

I already spoke about it before. South Korea. It's suspected the tests were faulty.
They just don't want to say that coz they're already on shaky ground with people.
Western MSM saw gloom and ran with it like the lying shitbags they are.
 
Got another infodump dropped on my ass here's the data:
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Explanation of image 2. It's a chart sent to internal medicine, the names are similar enough than those who know the english names will get it so I won't bother translating. As for the colors, green means use it, yellow means only use it if you got nothing better, red is don't, just don't, stop it, get some help. (It's for coadministration, so not to cure corona, just to treat symptoms or cure other infections in patients with corona. That's why no corona treatment is stated.)

If there were zero immunity you'd never get better like HIV. Your body has to develop antibodies to clear out the virus or you'd just die and there's be a 100% fatality rate. I stand to be corrected, I'm no doctor, but my understanding is the 400 odd thousand who have gotten over the virus at this point have to have developed some immunity, even if it's limited or their body wouldn't have gotten rid of the virus.

You are technically correct, the best kind of correct, but that's not the issue. What they fear is that if the virus mutates too rapidly, new variants will just keep infecting people despite being immune to others. Like flu but with much faster reinfection. Since corona has had 0 reinfections in spain and our studies all found it mutates much slower than any other coronavirus or indeed the flu, I dare say that's highly unlikely. So both your answer and what you concluded are correct, even if the union between the two wasnt.
 
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One of the most depressing things to find out recently is the odds of herd immunity may not even occur. People are being re-infected with Covid after having it before and getting sick ''again''. There doesn't seem to be much immunity if you've already had it.
I’ve not seen any convincing evidence of this yet. South Korea has done hundreds of thousands of tests and they have a fail rate of 20-40% depending on who you listen to. We also know that some people take weeks to clear it fully. As far as I can tell there’s no convincing evidence of reinfection at all. Those people may have tested false positive then genuinely been infected, or tested negative then positive because the negative test was a false result. The animal studies suggest that reinfection isn’t happening.
Does catching a cold / flu make you immune to the cold / flu?
Yes and no. Colds are caused by a multitude of viruses. You get temporary immunity at the least - a few months to a few years - if that specific strain of that specific virus. Flu is different, and mutates /reassorts in a way that means it’s main antigens (the sticky outy bits that the immune system recognised) change a LOT. (The process is called drift and shift and I am happy to sperge on about this if requested.) So you get flu and you are immune to that specific version. If a dramatically new one comes along, no immunity (hence big flu pandemics.) a slightly different one, you’ll haVe partial immunity to.
The vaccines To corona that are looking good seem to be to the spike protein (the sticky outy bit) and that doesn’t seem to be mutating much so it has a decent chance of working.
There’s no vaccine for the common cold because it’s pointless. Most people get over it and we do need to our immune systems to encounter and deal with minor pathogens. They need something to do to work properly.
 
One of the most depressing things to find out recently is the odds of herd immunity may not even occur. People are being re-infected with Covid after having it before and getting sick ''again''. There doesn't seem to be much immunity if you've already had it.

I'm definitely not an expert on this but so far everything that I have read so far has stated that more than likely the people being "reinfected" after having had it, either :

A. Never had Covid to begin with (likely they just had the normal flu) and either were just assumed to have Covid without being actualy tested for it or if they were tested they were given one of the early unreliable tests that gave a false positive and then after getting over the normal flu they got infected with Covid and were falsely assumed to be having their second Covid infection when it was really their first.

B. They had Covid and were falsely assumed to have recovered just because the symptoms had died down and then when the symptoms returned they were incorrectly said to have been reinfected when in reality they had never truly gotten over the original infection.
 
Flipland Update:
4428 cases (+233) with 247 deaths (+26) and 157 recoveries.

New cases for today is spike compared to the past few days, likely due to test result lag. March 31 recorded a whopping +538 cases. I know it's :optimistic:, but is the curve actually flattening?

On a more hilarious note: usually the local communist groups here love to sperg about their love of Mao. They love Lenin too, but lately their members seem to focus their spergery on Lenin and the Bolsheviks. I'm guessing the current heat China's taking is making them optics cuck for a bit.

The process is called drift and shift and I am happy to sperge on about this if requested.
Please do.
 
Yeah, about that....
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2020 is becoming whole distarter movie genre rolled into one year. This timeline is insane.
Pops aka Krakatoa brought about famine in the sixth century. I wonder even with post Green Revolution agro industry we could cope well with years of limited sunlight due to volcanic dust.
 
The black Surgeon General of the US is racist for telling blacks to stop drinking and smoking. Also used the phrase "big momma" which sent a "reporter" into a tizzy. A very large number of black people are dying and certain behaviors directly affect the ability to survive infection but giving out sound medical advice, even if you have a medical degree and you are black, is some sort racist crime now.

If Obama had said the same thing the outrage mob wouldn't even say boo. Of course this all on Twatter so it's probably a nothingburger.
 
If there were zero immunity you'd never get better like HIV. Your body has to develop antibodies to clear out the virus or you'd just die and there's be a 100% fatality rate. I stand to be corrected, I'm no doctor, but my understanding is the 400 odd thousand who have gotten over the virus at this point have to have developed some immunity, even if it's limited or their body wouldn't have gotten rid of the virus.
No that's fairly accurate. The TL;DR version of immunity explained:
  1. Body gets infected. Bodily response is to attack with enzymes and such that cause inflammation and fever, incredibly general stuff.
  2. Eventually, body identifies more specific points of attack of the organism that infected the body. The body makes antibodies against these specific weak points, which the white blood cells attack and destroy. These first two steps are called "Phase I" of the immune system.
  3. Body has learned the weak points of the infecting organism and has much better response to the next infection. It learns again, only to be faster, leading to faster destruction of organism and better recovery. This step is usually called "Phase II".
In HIV, this immunity system doesn't exist, and you are more susceptible to infection. In the case of corona-chan, this is a novel disease, practically no one has immunity.
If you want to go even farther back, the Black Plague (which also originated in China or areas around China) killed many Europeans because of the lack of immunity, compounded with the lack of cleanliness in the 14th century.
 
That was a fairly major story back in February. The same people pushing it have gone quite now that we've decided to thrash the economy.

It tried to be, but even the BBC barely touched it when it was pointed out the utter inanity of the "report" behind it. It's popular among Nu-left circles, but they're all too busy wanking themselves off over who's the most pure in the cause and splitting quicker than the atom did on August 6th '45.
 
The black Surgeon General of the US is racist for telling blacks to stop drinking and smoking. Also used the phrase "big momma" which sent a "reporter" into a tizzy. A very large number of black people are dying and certain behaviors directly affect the ability to survive infection but giving out sound medical advice, even if you have a medical degree and you are black, is some sort racist crime now.

If Obama had said the same thing the outrage mob wouldn't even say boo. Of course this all on Twatter so it's probably a nothingburger.

Stop the presses! The Surgeon General says people should not smoke or drink?! What has the world come too? next thing you know they will be putting his racist statements about this on the back of cartons of menthols cigarettes and malt liquor bottles
 
Please do.

well OK. So flu has two major antigens, H (haemaglutinin) and N (neuraminidase.) think of them as the sticky outy bits on the surface of the virus. They are the bits your immune system recognises. This is why flu is named like H1N1, or H5N7. The numbers are broad subtypes of H and N,
Now flu can mutate in two ways. Firstly is the way all viruses do, by just little mutations - basically like Chinese whispers (pun intended.) every replication produces little errors so our say H1N1 flu is a little different each year. But it’s broadly H1N1. This process is called antigenic drift. Once you’ve had any of them you’ll be a little bit immune to all . You might still get sick but it’s unlikely to be catastrophic
The second way flu mutates is antigenic shift. This is generally what creates new flus that cause pandemics. because flu doesn’t just circulate in humans, it also circulates in pigs and water fowl and birds. So all sorts of stuff is sloshing around in birds and pigs.
If one of the following happens, it can cause reassortment and shift:
1. A new bird flu, let’s say H5N1 jumps bird to human - it’s totally novel.
2. a human or pig gets infected with two types of flu at once, they swap antigens and a brand new flu pops out. Jumps to humans or spreads in humans.
3. Bird flu jumps to another species like a pig then to humans.
All these events are like shuffling the deck - now you’ve got H5N1, or H7N9. different combinations of an H and an N. And it’s new and nobody has any immunity and if it can spread person to person, we are fucked.

the people who create the flu vaccine each year look at sentinel samples to see what strains are circulating and they make a guess as to which few go into the vaccine that year. They also test to see if new strains are arising. Although it tends to be obvious, because you get massive die off of animals. Or people
 
I'm pretty sure that that crosses into wildly unconstitutional and downright criminally so territory, even when during a Pandemic and National Emergency.

Will be interesting to see how many people will actually self-quarantine. Suggest pushback is growing nationwide, at least in the states under house arrest.
 
Guess who made the law.

The Brits did, obviously. On the other hand, HK under British rule may have had a lot of draconian legislation on the books but the government took a mostly hands-off policy when it came to the locals because it was led by people like John Cowperthwaite. The problem was that once China took over and failed to implement their own anti sedition law they obviously sent their minions to see if there were any handy laws that were already on the books that could be used. Which is what happened here.

A lot of the time whether you live in tyranny or a libertarian paradise depends not so much on what the laws say but what the people who run the government intend to use the laws for. Cowperthwaite reckoned if the government left people alone, their natural industry would make HK into a prosperous place. The CCP thinks if they leave people alone HK will end up like Taiwan and their rule will come to an end and are desperate to stop that.

And actually this is why it is so dangerous when UK journalists demand the police arrest people for breaching quarantine, or for hate speech, or any other illiberal nonsense. There are already laws on the books in the UK for all sorts of horrid shit and right now the government could get literally anything through parliament if it is 'to fight coronavirus', just like post 9/11 it could get anything through 'to fight terrorism'. You could see it all spiral down into riots, economic collapse, a planned economy and even less free speech than people currently enjoy. And the state of free speech at the moment in the UK is 'You're a fucking idiot if you don't anonymize yourself as much as possible on the Internet because there are many things that are true but if you say them and it can be traced back to you people will try to ruin your life and will probably succeed'.
 
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I'm pissed. My awesome family member, who has been a pediatric nurse since the late 80's, and all of her coworkers were forced to take a 10% pay cut. Health care workers should be making hazard pay rn. Wtf is that shit

I'm also mad because some of the great lakes near by are only allowing boating fishing. So the poor can't fish of dams or public docks. Some people literally get most of their meat from the lakes... Washington is so short sided it doesn't realize some people don't just depend on groceries to manifest at a store.
Everybody at some point will probably take a pay cut. Those who can hold onto their jobs, of course. Not that I am not sympathetic.

Apparently doctor's offices and anything non-critical in hospitals is very slow ATM. Anything non-essential is largely closed off -- such as a kid getting ear tubes put in, eye exams, surgeries that are largely cosmetic in nature, etc.

Governments are often short-sighted. Maybe they can come up with a permit system. Fish and Game might have something to say.
 
If Obama had said the same thing the outrage mob wouldn't even say boo. Of course this all on Twatter so it's probably a nothingburger.
Does anyone else remember when Hillary was calling herself abuela and the left thought it was the most endearing thing ever.
 
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