Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Adamska]

https://youtu.be/1ZjUiKeXeOc

Holy shit. Wow just wow. In the past I've considered myself the site's token Filoni Apologist. he's not perfect but he's a decently talented writer with a few tisms. But I can't think of any way to defend this in good faith. Now I'm beginning to wonder if the nigga sisters were'nt the result of executive meddling but Dave's idea all along (Wel not ALL alongsince they replaced the role of another character buy tou understand what I'm saying right)?

I think we found why his characters are so used and he's safe compared to others; he's basically the Empanada man to Kennedy's Chavez; the ultimate brown noser who kisses ass so hard that it allowed himself to be able to do what he wanted as a trusted source by this bitter middle manager. So it allows him to keep being a blame shifting asshole fanfic writer that wants his head canon to stick, because that is what he cares about, not a good story.

Oh, and you aren't the apologist; you aren't childishly rating all negative opinions on the guy with autism stickers because bad words about Wolf Fucker Filoni cause the reeeing noises to blare and flare up in your head.

 

[Flexo]

He said they changed Nyx because they didn't want Ahsoka to have a love interest, why couldn't they just drop the love interest subplot Instead of inserting two new stupid characters?

See my above post. NO MIDDLE GROUND ALLOWED! It must all be one way or the other. If you're not in love, then the other person must die in a fire!

EDIT:

Na, that's not Serenity, I think that's an Aurore-class freighter.

YV-865 Aurore-class freighter/Legends

The YV-865 Aurore-class freighter was a bulky freighter transport used during the Clone Wars. It became known as the Zygerrian slave ship due to its widespread use by slavers such as Zygerrians and Thalassians. Darts D'Nar, a Zygerrian who allied himself with Count Dooku and the Confederacy of...

starwars.fandom.com

I'm rating you autistic because I know that it isn't the actual ship. It was a joke about ripping stuff off.

 

[Gallofag]

I think we found why his characters are so used and he's safe compared to others; he's basically the Empanada man to Kennedy's Chavez; the ultimate brown noser who kisses ass so hard that it allowed himself to be able to do what he wanted as a trusted source by this bitter middle manager. So it allows him to keep being a blame shifting asshole fanfic writer that wants his head canon to stick, because that is what he cares about, not a good story.

Oh, and you aren't the apologist; you aren't childishly rating all negative opinions on the guy with autism stickers because bad words about Wolf Fucker Filoni cause the reeeing noises to blare and flare up in your head.

Just remember in Rebels or Space Aladdin Filoni made wolves the center of the universe and a portal to the space anus to save Ahsoka through time travel.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Of course this is if we assume this functioned like an ACTUAL galactic war where the conflict would have been decades (if not likely centuries) instead of two years and you would need way more than a measly 3.5 million clones on the outset of the war. This just comes from Lucas's inability to imagine a truly galactic level conflict, he should have read a 40k book or something if he wanted to get a general idea of the scale this civil war would be on.

40K is actually hell of a lot worse at portraying a truly galactic level conflict than Star Wars as far as numbers and scale is concerned.

 

[Creep3r]

They're freakin' wookies! Who can tear apart droids with their bare hands. At some point you have to ask yourself, "who cares?"

Hey it wasn't my idea. The "test" Dooku set forth to pick who the clone template would be involved sending all the best warriors in the galaxy to hunt down a powerful rogue jedi and destroy her criminal empire. It just so happened that Jango was the only one to make it far enough without dying or giving up while also succeeding at killing the jedi and taking down one of the biggest drug cartels and dark cults in the galaxy.

Even if it wasn't a test, there are natural limitations to a wookiee, such as their overall body type making them more limited to certain kinds of weapons and armor only suited for them and thus making them a bit ineffective in certain scenarios (especially since most of galactic society is designed with standard humanoids in mind). They're also more adjusted to more specific environments, meanwhile humans in Star Wars have a greater talent for adapting to any environment or situation rapidly. But like I said before, Dooku held another test later on to pick a clone template for the separatists, and the winner this time was a Nikto warrior named Bok who dedicated his life to hunting jedi.

Almost as strong as a wookiee and more skilled at adapting than a human in terms of environments and battle.

 

[Gallofag]

Almost as strong as a wookiee and more skilled at adapting than a human in terms of environments and battle.

Humans are a perfect template! They don't need to spend a lot of time at the make-up department.

 

[ZMOT]

I'm going to call this "comic book" syndrome. Now in that medium, this problem makes sense on why it arises. You're in a rush, you have to get a script out, so you write up a scene, and then it's off to the printers when you suddenly realize a big mistake you made. So then in the next issue you've got to try and "fix" that mistake. This entire film felt like that. "Oops, we killed Kylo! Rey can heal him!" Why did you kill him in the first place? (Why not have Leia give up her life force to restore her son and that be what kills her and saves him?) Why not have him drop his lightsaber and Rey just keep it? "Why weren't the knights of Ren fighting alongside Kylo in the forest of the Wayfinder?" This isn't even a rough draft story, this is an outline story that isn't even ready for a first draft!

it's even less than that. remember they were reshooting up to weeks till release, making the movie version of elisabeth warren's campaign - trying to pander to each and anyone to hit that sweet highest approval rating across the board, anything else be damned. chewie dying? oh shit, people don't like that, scrap it. kylo/rey dying or not in whatever combination? pick the highest rated one! finn constantly teasing to tell rey something? sorry, no time for that, higher rated stuff has to be included. and that's on top of jarjar's already non-existing writing talent.

even an outright bad movie would've been better because even in the shittiest movies there are at least some glimpses of something good or acceptable and comes from a place where either effort and/or heart was poured into it that still uplifts the movie and makes it memorable - not that nostalgia-bait, committee approved and focus-group tested slushy of shit we ended up with.

Humans are a perfect template! They don't need to spend a lot of time at the make-up department.

ironically there's more truth to it than you think, good makeup takes time and is a chore for any actor (to the point they outright hate it), especially when it comes to tv.

 

[Flexo]

Hey it wasn't my idea. The "test" Dooku set forth to pick who the clone template would be involved sending all the best warriors in the galaxy to hunt down a powerful rogue jedi and destroy her criminal empire. It just so happened that Jango was the only one to make it far enough without dying or giving up while also succeeding at killing the jedi and taking down one of the biggest drug cartels and dark cults in the galaxy.

Even if it wasn't a test, there are natural limitations to a wookiee, such as their overall body type making them more limited to certain kinds of weapons and armor only suited for them and thus making them a bit ineffective in certain scenarios (especially since most of galactic society is designed with standard humanoids in mind). They're also more adjusted to more specific environments, meanwhile humans in Star Wars have a greater talent for adapting to any environment or situation rapidly. But like I said before, Dooku held another test later on to pick a clone template for the separatists, and the winner this time was a Nikto warrior named Bok who dedicated his life to hunting jedi.

Man, that sounds like a really engaging, entertaining story. Just imagine if like... that was the mystery Obi-Wan was investigating in episode 2.

Really it's kind of amazing how silly the whole clone thing is. I mean Jango Fett tries to kill a senator, makes multiple efforts to kill Obi-Wan, and definitely does kill another Jedi while standing right beside the leaders of the Separatists. It goes beyond suspicious to use a bunch of clones of this guy for your military. (Really, I'm disappointed we never got to see the Republic's Alex Jones, ranting about how Palpatine was behind it all and the clones would betray everybody.)

EITHER the clones needed to have been the Separatist army, chosen after a bunch of droids failed to kill an army of freakin' Gungans (the 3 stooges race of the galaxy) in which case you leave everything else as is. (And the republic institutes a draft, paving the way for the empire.)

OR a Jedi in the Republic needed to be in charge of recruitment of the clone template which Jango Fett wins. That could have also been a story in one of the prequels where Obi-Wan (and possibly Anakin) are testing candidates. That might also have been an exciting and engaging story.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

Cross posted from the tv tropes thread but here’s a bad take related to Star Wars

“Before they completely dropped the ball, I really liked Disney's re-imagining of the Empire as they stated that instead of being more secure like in The Thrawn Trilogy, it's stated that the Empire has a massive crime problem due to systematic corruption, it's economy was in tatters due to looting thousands of worlds of resources as well as use of slaves, and the corporations were superpowerful.”

 

[Flexo]

Cross posted from the tv tropes thread but here’s a bad take related to Star Wars

“Before they completely dropped the ball, I really liked Disney's re-imagining of the Empire as they stated that instead of being more secure like in The Thrawn Trilogy, it's stated that the Empire has a massive crime problem due to systematic corruption, it's economy was in tatters due to looting thousands of worlds of resources as well as use of slaves, and the corporations were superpowerful.”

Wait...

I mean, some of that makes sense, but how in the world would you have superpowerful corporations from a tattered economy? That's not how any of that works!

 

[Chilson]

Cross posted from the tv tropes thread but here’s a bad take related to Star Wars

“Before they completely dropped the ball, I really liked Disney's re-imagining of the Empire as they stated that instead of being more secure like in The Thrawn Trilogy, it's stated that the Empire has a massive crime problem due to systematic corruption, it's economy was in tatters due to looting thousands of worlds of resources as well as use of slaves, and the corporations were superpowerful.”

Do any of these morons understand how economics and crime actually work? Because the empire is all powerful and doesn't have to contend with anything like popular opinion or rival nations, crime would be easy to deal with by just jailing/killing/recruiting criminals. Slavery also does not destroy an economy, if anything everything made by them would be really cheap and might even help the economy and the only way for "super powerful" corporations to exist would be off the backbone of a strong economy.

Call the empire whatever you like, but it did bring together every planet and force them to work together/trade with one another. One of the biggest issues with the republic was just how clogged up the whole system was with bureaucracy. It was a pain in the ass to get any trading done and a lot of systems would just sit in their own spheres of influence even if they would have helped other systems or been the direct beneficiary through trading with said systems just out of spite for the other systems governments. The empire forced them to work together and act efficiently. Of course, Disney being disney didn't understand the nuance and paints everything as "Republic good, Empire bad".

 

[Oaat]

Cross posted from the tv tropes thread but here’s a bad take related to Star Wars

“Before they completely dropped the ball, I really liked Disney's re-imagining of the Empire as they stated that instead of being more secure like in The Thrawn Trilogy, it's stated that the Empire has a massive crime problem due to systematic corruption, it's economy was in tatters due to looting thousands of worlds of resources as well as use of slaves, and the corporations were superpowerful.”

Extracting resources from planets destroys the economy? Palpatine allows superpowerful corporations to continue existing even though that's what destabilized the Republic? What is their source for any of this anyway? The idea of a collapsing, late antiquity-esque empire in space could have been interesting, but there isn't really a way to do that and then have the New Republic truly "win."

 

[Vault Boy]

Oh, and you aren't the apologist; you aren't childishly rating all negative opinions on the guy with autism stickers because bad words about Wolf Fucker Filoni cause the reeeing noises to blare and flare up in your head.

You guys seem to hate Filoni way more than Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson, which I happen to find a bit bizarre.

Even more bizarre was that one post wishing he'd get run over and catch the Kung-Flu, that wasn't merely a "negative opinion".

 

[Iceland Heavy]

You guys seem to hate Filoni way more than Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson, which I happen to find a bit bizarre.

Even more bizarre was that one post wishing he'd get run over and catch the Kung-Flu, that wasn't merely a "negative opinion".

I think it's a reaction against him basically getting dicksucked everywhere else as the savior of Star Wars even amongst people who might otherwise hate or dislike Disney Wars. It might be an overreaction in some cases but he's run roughshod all over the old EU even before the Disney buyout and at the very least needs to be reigned in massively and have his autistic OC checked, but Disney only seems to be enabling him further which is probably where much of the venom comes from.

 

[Creep3r]

What is their source for any of this anyway?

Dr. Aphra's shitty comics, some Wendig shit and Disney guides. I've covered some of this before in that the Lady Emperor (the Emperor's Minister/President of Progress and Propaganda in nu-canon) basically says that Palpatine is fucking up the economy and that she's the one doing her best to keep finances stable while faking invasions on planets which are then saved by the Empire in order to make the inhabitants more willing to cooperate and surrender their resources while not upsetting their public image because Palpatine and his council are idiots in nu-canon, revealing that the Empire would've collapsed even without the Rebels' help. Yet there are people who tried to claim Aphra's Lady Emperor was bullshitting, even Hidalgo and Porgcuck (who blocked most of their followers in the process and deleted tweets) despite it lining up with all the other demoralizing shit in nu-canon.

It goes beyond suspicious to use a bunch of clones of this guy for your military.

It honestly seems possible that that was the original intent while the game was in development, but George decided to give the clones to the good guys for some bizarre reason despite previous media and his old self saying it was the bad guys who used it, which would've made more sense and would've kept the jedi from being depicted as encouraging slave labor. Still you gotta remember that Jango constantly wore a helmet on his missions and used numerous aliases so no one would know that the clones were Jango's, especially since his face wasn't public knowledge. So seeing some Mandalorian standing next to CIS wouldn't really shock anyone or make them think the clones were his, except for Kenobi. So the real question here is why Kenobi didn't put two and two together.

Really, I'm disappointed we never got to see the Republic's Alex Jones, ranting about how Palpatine was behind it all and the clones would betray everybody.)

Oh but there was... Two of them in fact.

Keets Freely

Keets Freely was a Human male writer who worked for The Coruscant Holo Net during the Clone Wars. He was one of the first to wonder why Palpatine was "grabbing all the power while still smiling at us." During the Separatist Crisis, journalist Keets Freely discovered a plot involving the...

starwars.fandom.com

Garox Tronten

Garox Tronten was the producer of the popular Eriaduan talk show, Essence. Appearances Baby Ludi's Mother to Appear on Essence—HoloNet News Vol. 531 48 (content now obsolete; backup link on Archive.org)

starwars.fandom.com

 

[Flexo]

You guys seem to hate Filoni way more than Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson, which I happen to find a bit bizarre.

Even more bizarre was that one post wishing he'd get run over and catch the Kung-Flu, that wasn't merely a "negative opinion".

Well I want to kill all humans, so don't hold that against me.

But in this particular case, my kill order would be:

1. K. Kennedy
2. R. Johnson.
3. Vault Boy
4. JJ Abrams
5. Feloni

Nah I'm just playing with you. You're way after Feloni. (and there's a few between Abrams and him, but you only gave me 4 names)

EDIT:

Still you gotta remember that Jango constantly wore a helmet on his missions and used numerous aliases so no one would know that the clones were Jango's, especially since his face wasn't public knowledge. So seeing some Mandalorian standing next to CIS wouldn't really shock anyone or make them think the clones were his, except for Kenobi. So the real question here is why Kenobi didn't put two and two together.

You're going to make me watch episode 2 again aren't you to prove this? I mean Kenobi saw Jango's armor, then attempted to stop him while Jango was trying to leave the planet. Jango was wearing the mask then and shot a rocket at Kenobi. Kenobi also saw Jango's young child who was later shown cradling his father's mask so yeah - Obi-Wan should have been the one to become the SW Alex Jones.

Oh man, how would THAT have been in the Clone Wars? "Yoda, I'm telling you we can't trust these clones!"

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Cross posted from the tv tropes thread but here’s a bad take related to Star Wars

“Before they completely dropped the ball, I really liked Disney's re-imagining of the Empire as they stated that instead of being more secure like in The Thrawn Trilogy, it's stated that the Empire has a massive crime problem due to systematic corruption, it's economy was in tatters due to looting thousands of worlds of resources as well as use of slaves, and the corporations were superpowerful.”

In the end it's basically that the empire is bad in every way no matter how contrary the ways are. It needs to be corrupt but efficient, poor but corporation-driven, crime-ridden but uncompromising. Any way to try to frame life under the empire as benign means that you are justifying it.

 

[Flexo]

In the end it's basically that the empire is bad in every way no matter how contrary the ways are. It needs to be corrupt but efficient, poor but corporation-driven, crime-ridden but uncompromising. Any way to try to frame life under the empire as benign means that you are justifying it.

This. One of the things that bugs me so much about modern stories is this idea that villains have to be completely evil through and through. Which keeps ruining their stories. CS Lewis pointed it out long ago in the Screwtape Letters:

"All villains need some virtues in order to be truly wicked, which puts the tempters at a disadvantage.
Attila, for example, needed bravery to conquer most of Europe in such a vicious way."

 

[BR55]

Sure, but they were still local forces, I was more thinking of including Republic troops that are not tied to a particular world, like anyone who've played Bounty Hunter probably remember the white and blue colored Coruscant security guards or the military camo prison guards who had the helmets you see on some rebel and imperial soldiers in A New Hope, but also combar armor

Remember the Republic Army from KOTOR/TOR?
Especially The Old Republic considering their armor and weapons are very reminiscent of Clones/Stormtroopers.
Whatever happened to those guys?
Not canonically because I don't want the lore fags to start sperging about the Russan Reformation but in a meta sense.
The Clones being an elite and self-replenishing compliment to the Republic's standing army, and the fact that the GAR is ready to go now while the decadent and shambolic regular army pulls it's self together is an added bonus, alleviates much of the "millions of Clonetroopers vs. quintillions of droids" issue.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

The Clone Army has the same problem the Stormtroopers have, they are supposed to be an elite, supporting the regular republic or imperial forces, but you never see any of the regular troops, and most story creators completely overlook them because George didn't bother to include them either. And that leads us to the disney canon where stormtroopers completely replaced the regular imperial conscripts, except for that one scene in Han Solo, because at least not everyone is lazy or ignorant enough to overlook that stormtroopers are supposed to be elite shocktroops, not regular infantry

Filoni made a huge disservice to the canon by not making room for regular republic and imperial troops alongside the clones and stormtroopers

A pretty old comic series featured these guys as an attempt at recreating a pre-CW Republic 'Army' led by one of Tarkin's cousins.

They were later retconned into being a glorified sector paramilitary but I agree the Republic should've been portrayed with an actual federalized army making up the bulk of their ground forces that the Clones are just an elite, highly mobile vanguard force for instead of there being nothing between local good old boy militias and the clone troopers.

40K is actually hell of a lot worse at portraying a truly galactic level conflict than Star Wars as far as numbers and scale is concerned.

40K shits the bed when its writers actually try to bring numbers in but at least the Imperial Guard exists and sees the vast majority of planetary combat across the galaxy instead of it basically just being the PDF in the background and then Space Marines doing everything.