Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

You guys seem to hate Filoni way more than Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson, which I happen to find a bit bizarre.

Even more bizarre was that one post wishing he'd get run over and catch the Kung-Flu, that wasn't merely a "negative opinion".
Dave Filoni lied several times to fans during Filoni Wars, and ruined several characthers for the sake of his own ones. I agree both his shows have good moments and episodes I really like, but in my opinion Filoni Wars didn't save or enchance the prequels, in some ways he made them worse.
 
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40K is actually hell of a lot worse at portraying a truly galactic level conflict than Star Wars as far as numbers and scale is concerned.
40K is pretty good at portraying galactic-level combat in the 40K universe, which is to say, a Gilliam-esque bleak tragi-comedy about a titanic, feudal bureaucracy trying to deal with numbers so large that entire planets are sometimes lost for decades at a time due to clerical rounding errors.

Almost as strong as a wookiee and more skilled at adapting than a human in terms of environments and battle.
To be fair, CGI Wars suggests that Mandalorians are significantly stronger/faster/hardier than baseline humans (which, ironically, dovetails very nicely with Traviss's Mandos being the product of thousands of years of "survival of the fittest" selection pressure).

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EITHER the clones needed to have been the Separatist army, chosen after a bunch of droids failed to kill an army of freakin' Gungans (the 3 stooges race of the galaxy) in which case you leave everything else as is. (And the republic institutes a draft, paving the way for the empire.)
Jar-Jar is a Stooge, certainly. There's no real evidence in the films that Gungans in general are like him. Still, the Gungan Grand Army had effectively been defeated by the time that Anakin destroyed the Trade Federation's combat control ship.

It honestly seems possible that that was the original intent while the game was in development, but George decided to give the clones to the good guys for some bizarre reason despite previous media and his old self saying it was the bad guys who used it, which would've made more sense and would've kept the jedi from being depicted as encouraging slave labor. Still you gotta remember that Jango constantly wore a helmet on his missions and used numerous aliases so no one would know that the clones were Jango's, especially since his face wasn't public knowledge. So seeing some Mandalorian standing next to CIS wouldn't really shock anyone or make them think the clones were his, except for Kenobi. So the real question here is why Kenobi didn't put two and two together.
I think the reason George decided to put the Clones on the side of the Jedi and Republic was to help drive home the point that the Jedi had become so attached to their image as the guardians of the Republic that they were willing to violate their principles and take command of what amounted to a slave army, while telling themselves that it was the best possible course of action, because A: the CIS and their massive droid armies were threatening to fracture the Republic, and B: the Jedi themselves might as well command the clones, as any other faction within the Republic likely to assume overall military command would probably not even make a pretense of caring about the clones' welfare as sentient beings.

As for Jango and Obi-Wan, it's shown in AOTC that the Jedi in general have grown arrogant and complacent, believing that if information isn't cataloged in their archives, then it must not exist or be of any consequence (remember, they seem to have effectively forgotten that the Sith still exist between TPM and AOTC, or at the very least they don't appear to be all that much concerned with tracking them down). The Council's knowledge of the Clone Army's origins appears to be limited to the fact that Sifo-Dyas commissioned their creation from the Kaminoans ten years prior to the Battle of Geonosis, apparently because he worried that the Trade Federation's invasion of Naboo was merely a prelude to greater conflicts between the Republic and its increasingly power-hungry mega-corporations in the future (of course, Jango does mention to Obi-Wan that he was recruited for the project by a man named "Tyrannous" but by the time any of this comes to light, the Clone Wars have begun, Sifo-Dyas is long dead, and the Jedi Council are probably too distracted with trying to fight the Separatists than tracking down leads that may have been cold for a decade).

You guys seem to hate Filoni way more than Kennedy, Abrams, and Johnson, which I happen to find a bit bizarre.

Even more bizarre was that one post wishing he'd get run over and catch the Kung-Flu, that wasn't merely a "negative opinion".
You make me think of this one sperg I saw claiming that you can't be a true SW fan if you don't like Ahsoka.

You're going to make me watch episode 2 again aren't you to prove this? I mean Kenobi saw Jango's armor, then attempted to stop him while Jango was trying to leave the planet. Jango was wearing the mask then and shot a rocket at Kenobi. Kenobi also saw Jango's young child who was later shown cradling his father's mask so yeah - Obi-Wan should have been the one to become the SW Alex Jones.
That would be fun, but Obi-Wan isn't temperamentally suited for the role. He's always been extremely cautious, conservative, and reluctant to question the wisdom of the Jedi Council.

A pretty old comic series featured these guys as an attempt at recreating a pre-CW Republic 'Army' led by one of Tarkin's cousins.
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They were later retconned into being a glorified sector paramilitary but I agree the Republic should've been portrayed with an actual federalized army making up the bulk of their ground forces that the Clones are just an elite, highly mobile vanguard force for instead of there being nothing between local good old boy militias and the clone troopers.
God, I miss when SW comics were actually good...

Dave Filoni lied several times to fans during Filoni Wars, and ruined several characthers for the sake of his own ones.
Can we get a detailed run-down on that? I'm always in the market for anti-Filoni talking points. 🙂
 
You're going to make me watch episode 2 again aren't you to prove this? I mean Kenobi saw Jango's armor, then attempted to stop him while Jango was trying to leave the planet. Jango was wearing the mask then and shot a rocket at Kenobi. Kenobi also saw Jango's young child who was later shown cradling his father's mask so yeah - Obi-Wan should have been the one to become the SW Alex Jones.

Oh man, how would THAT have been in the Clone Wars? "Yoda, I'm telling you we can't trust these clones!"
The Kaminoans did say to Obi Wan that the clones would be completely obedient. Not to mention that the clones didn’t have the same experiences as Jango did so they wouldn’t have his opinions on the Jedi.

The clones were ordered from a well established Jedi councilor, which was ordered 10 years before episode 2. Obi Wan would have no reason to suspect that the Clones were engineered to kill the Jedi.
 
I guess more dirt on Filoni/Disney/Lucasfilm they didn't inform the original voice actor of Nyx that he was going to be replaced for Season 7.
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I wonder how James Hong feels, he was another asian actor sidelined during the cancellation of the show.
*gets replaced by two lesbian WoCs instead*
Looks like he's getting yet another firsthand lesson of just where he is on the progressive representation stack.
 
I guess more dirt on Filoni/Disney/Lucasfilm they didn't inform the original voice actor of Nyx that he was going to be replaced for Season 7.
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I wonder how James Hong feels, he was another asian actor sidelined during the cancellation of the show.

How do you be "an asian" in another galaxy...

I know nobody would ever do it (the closest we got was some early TNG s1) but can you just imagine if they made the human variants alien species? You look asian? Oh that means you came from planet X. Blacks come from Y, Whites come from Z, etc.

After all, these things have aliens which are just humans with green skin all the time.

(It mostly be for the amusement of the resulting SJW logic pretzel.)

The Kaminoans did say to Obi Wan that the clones would be completely obedient. Not to mention that the clones didn’t have the same experiences as Jango did so they wouldn’t have his opinions on the Jedi.

The clones were ordered from a well established Jedi councilor, which was ordered 10 years before episode 2. Obi Wan would have no reason to suspect that the Clones were engineered to kill the Jedi.
Until Jango tells him "I was recruited by a man [who is your enemy]." If they wanted to make the plot work, Jango should have been recruited by Syfo Dius. (which was originally going to be an alias of Palpatine - until someone made a typo and George liked the new name better. and the new name couldn't be an alias, George had to make it a whole new character which just fuels my theory that he has some autism to himself)

EDIT: Actually if they really wanted to make it work, setting up the clones would have been Qui-Gon's story arc in episode 1 and they would have recruited Anakin along the way. Then you have the 10 year time jump for e2.
 
Do any of these morons understand how economics and crime actually work? Because the empire is all powerful and doesn't have to contend with anything like popular opinion or rival nations, crime would be easy to deal with by just jailing/killing/recruiting criminals. Slavery also does not destroy an economy, if anything everything made by them would be really cheap and might even help the economy and the only way for "super powerful" corporations to exist would be off the backbone of a strong economy.
This sounds like he's applying actual IRL research on Nazi Germany (which indeed was heavily corrupt from Hitler on down, made arresting and convicting Nazi Party members like serial killer Paul Ogorzow rather difficult, kept itself afloat economically from 1939 onward by looting Europe, had superpowerful corporations, etc.) and applying it to the Empire. That's a fallacy because one, Star Wars society is very different in terms of how people live, economics, etc. than anything IRL, and two, he's misunderstanding the point of it. Even if the Empire is corrupt and a broken society in some aspects, it most certainly is not that way in other aspects, and most critically, it's corrupt and broken in a different way than the Republic.

Like in the Republic, some asshole alien from the Outer Rim would get his droid to pickpocket you. In the Empire, the military police come by and shoot that asshole and his droid, but then ignores you when it's a plainclothes Imperial police officer doing it because he has the right local connections. As long as there aren't too many assholes like that, the average citizen is going to feel a lot safer. Or the megacorps. In the Republic, the megacorps can invade planets, hold up proceedings in the Senate, and try and conquer the galaxy with droid armies. In the Empire, the megacorps stick to bribing the Imperial Senate and local moffs. One of those looks a lot better to the average Joe on Coruscant until he has to deal with the effects of it.

I don't think the Empire's economy would be particularly horrible, as this guy is taking the Nazi comparison all the way. The Nazi economy was shit because it was utterly unsustainable, built on thin air, and intended to fulfill the ambitions of the Nazi Party through militarism. It would be more like the post-WWII Soviet economy if anything, since they went through a major war and just looted all the loser's shit (and they even got to hang the galaxy's bankers!) and now get to settle down for peace.
EDIT: Actually if they really wanted to make it work, setting up the clones would have been Qui-Gon's story arc in episode 1 and they would have recruited Anakin along the way. Then you have the 10 year time jump for e2.
I always liked Sifo-Dyas being Dooku and Dooku showing up in Episode 1 doing shady shit, but not overtly evil, maybe until the end when Sidious comes in and dubs him Darth Tyrannus to hammer it home to the audience that Dooku is not a good guy and shit is seriously fucked up.
 
Until Jango tells him "I was recruited by a man [who is your enemy]." If they wanted to make the plot work, Jango should have been recruited by Syfo Dius. (which was originally going to be an alias of Palpatine - until someone made a typo and George liked the new name better. and the new name couldn't be an alias, George had to make it a whole new character which just fuels my theory that he has some autism to himself)
“Recruited by Tyrannus on the moons of Bogden” Right after that, Obi-Wan should’ve gone straight to Bogden and put a hold on the clone army.

Also, who the fuck was paying for that army? Obi-Wan should’ve looked into financials of that order. Screw tracking down the attempted assassination of a senator, some Jedi just bought an army on the council’s dime!
 
“Recruited by Tyrannus on the moons of Bogden” Right after that, Obi-Wan should’ve gone straight to Bogden and put a hold on the clone army.

Also, who the fuck was paying for that army? Obi-Wan should’ve looked into financials of that order. Screw tracking down the attempted assassination of a senator, some Jedi just bought an army on the council’s dime!
You know the old saying never look a gift horse in the mouth.... that’s complete bullshit
 
Now Seeing the revelation that Filoni is all on board with the disaster that is the Sequel trilogy and the Character assassination of Luke Skywalker, I'm worried on how much Jon Favreau is okay with this, he's letting Ahsoka appear in the Mandalorian for example. The good thing though is that more people are calling out that overrated fucker than ever before at least in the last five years.

Genndy Tarvosky >>>>>>>>>> Dave Filoni.
 
“Recruited by Tyrannus on the moons of Bogden” Right after that, Obi-Wan should’ve gone straight to Bogden and put a hold on the clone army.

Also, who the fuck was paying for that army? Obi-Wan should’ve looked into financials of that order. Screw tracking down the attempted assassination of a senator, some Jedi just bought an army on the council’s dime!
"Ah yes, there are certain irregularities here that definitely demand investiga- wait, the Separatists are secretly massing droid armies on Geonosis to attack the Republic?!? And they're executing Jedi Knights and Republic Senators?!? Don't just stand there, man! Deploy the clones! ON THE DOUBLE!!"
 
So I know that this has essentially nothing to do with anything, but news and activity on the Star Wars front is sparse, and the quarantine has left me stricken with boredom and lots of free time to type novel-length spergfests. In that spirit, I'd like to continue relating my first-timer EU escapades for anyone who cares, as I was able to set some time aside recently to finish the remainder of the Dark Nest Trilogy. And rather than individually comment on Unseen Queen and Swarm War individually, I felt it would better to simply finish going through both and give my overall thoughts as a whole. My overall consensus for Dark Nest is that it's okay. Not as good as NJO, or as awful as some of the rancid Bantam efforts like Planet Of Twilight or Crystal Star. It's only okay. To be honest, I was expecting far worse for the first story arc to be solely written by Troy Denning, as I hear virtually nothing but seething contempt for the man around the EU Community.

A critique I hear by dissenters of Dark Nest is that it doesn't address the after-effects of the Yuuzhan Vong War, and I can't say I agree with that at all. I'm not saying that it's something that the story focuses on, but it didn't outright ignore it: the galaxy and Coruscant in particular is undergoing a Reconstruction Period following the conflict, Tahiri is still rehabilitating the Vong Remnants on Zonama Sekot, and Jacen is showing the long-term effects of his tutelage under Vergere...the teachings of which, are having a profound effect on how Luke's Jedi Order addresses the current conflict, and whether or not Vergere's philosophy can be universally applied. Dark Nest has issues, but ignoring NJO isn't one of them...trust me, if it was, I'd be the first to rant about it, since NJO essentially became my favorite EU Story Arc. The only omission that I feel is worth mentioning is Jaina Solo and Jagged Fel's "break-up"...which happened off-page, and is given barely any detail in the books themselves. I actually had to reference Wookipedia just to figure out what had happened between them, which really pisses me off since their romance had been a pivotal subplot of NJO.

My complaint with Joiner King that the OT Heroes were being narratively prioritized over the younger generation of characters was, sadly, not fixed in the next two books. This trilogy is mostly about them---the rest of Luke's Jedi Order from Kyp Durron to Tahiri Veila have little to no role in the story, and the survivors of the Myrkr Mission are relegated to a collective plot device. I can understand sharing some focus to the older characters, but Denning just gives them all the focus---most of the events, battles and stakes revolve solely around Han, Luke and Leia, which is something I didn't expect or want after NJO shifted more focused to the younger characters who, frankly, are more interesting and have more growing to do. The Unifying Force for instance had the final battle fought by both the older and younger generation, with Luke fending off Shimmra whilst still allowing room for Jaina and Jacen to shine, both in terms of the battle and importance to the plot. Dark Nest sabotages that balance almost immediately, making most of the drama and stakes set squarely around the OT Heroes entirely, with Jaina and Jacen assigned background roles and drama seperate from the main plot (with Jaina's being particularly inconsequential). Sure, it's neat to see the classic protagonists be heroes and badasses, but frankly that was what the entire Bantam-era EU was about...and by this point, we aren't in dire need of more, especially at the expense of the younger characters.

Which brings me to the thing that really weakens Dark Nest for me: the conflict. It's just not very interesting, largely because the Gorog aren't a real source of intrigue. Why? Because by nature of them being alien bugs controlled by a single hive mind, there isn't a character to be found among them. They're essentially no different from Heinlein's Arachnids or Alien's Xenomorphs...by nature, they can't have individual traits or personalities. An enemy force doesn't always need a face or character to be interesting, but when you have three books of Troy Denning telling you about how dire a war with the Killik as a species will be if it comes to pass, it's hard to care or stay interested. They just don't have any feel or personality to them. What made the Yuuzhan Vong such interesting villains was their culture, and the individual characters that served as antagonists within NJO: Tsavong Lah, Nom Anor, Nen Yim, Shimmra, Onimi...these were characters you could identify, differentiate from one another, even clash in terms of motives and goals. You don't have that sense of character within the Colony or the Dark Nest; they're just a faceless enemy that doesn't leave much of an impression in terms of characters. It's really weird that I say all of this, because one could easily apply this complaint to the Borg from Star Trek, but the reason I like them by contrast to the Killik is the impact that they have on the protagonists...something that happens in Dark Nest with Jaina, Jag and their "Joiner Bond", but goes fucking nowhere and doesn't amount to anything outside of kinda maybe making Jaina's parents uncomfortable. Overall, the Killik just do nothing for me, and it affects my investment in the overarching conflict dramatically. That's not to say that it or the Killik themselves are poorly written or bad, just not very interesting.

So, what is the saving grace of Dark Nest, then? In two words, "character interaction". For all of Denning's faults, he writes character interactions extremely well. His banter between Han and Leia is quite good, and all of the family moments between Luke, Mara and Ben are surprisingly sweet (even if I find Ben something of an annoying little shit). Some of the interactions are fantastic, like the explosive argument between the Solo parents and children in Joiner King (especially a very real, in-character moment when Mara lets Jaina have it for making a comparison between the New Jedi Order and Palpatine), the big debate following Luke's Grandmaster Announcement in Swarm War, and all of the sobering moments surrounding R2-D2's archival footage of Anakin Skywalker. But by far the highlight of these books is Jacen. His shady behavior and actions throughout the series is both compelling and fascinating to read, and remind me a lot of the kind of rich writing afforded to him and many others in NJO. These character interactions are why I kept reading, in spite of the surrounding conflict not being very interesting.

One thing that I'll say is that Denning gets a lot of accusations for making the "edgy teenager's version of Star Wars", and I can concede that it does read that way in areas. Mountains of gory violence, action hero one-liners, hot alien girls in skin-tight outfits...and as over the top as it can get in areas, I kind of find it endearing. It's like if what one of the edgelords of 90's comics like Todd McFarlane, Jim Lee or Rob Liefeld would've brought to Star Wars...it's juvenile and immature, sure, but I never feel like it isn't in earnest, or lathered in the self-aware post-modern way that so much current canon Star Wars material is written to be like. But the fault of Denning's that I definitively hate is his attempts at humor in these books, which are awful and incredibly misplaced. If he's not shoving his two new garbage sidekicks into the reader's face, he's forcing tone-deaf moments of humor with Han or Leia, like that stupid scene where they're in a Killik cell, where Han abandons all sense of stakes and starts thinking about profit like an utter retard...never to be brought up again, or have any sort of long-term consequence. It's fucking stupid, and easily the worst aspect of these books.

TL ; DR To sum up, my experience while reading Dark Nest was eerily similar to my experience with watching Star Trek Voyager for the first time last year, in that it almost felt like filler. I didn't give a remote fuck about the overarching story or the bland threat at the core of the conflict (Species 8472 in the case of Voyager), but the interactions between characters (most notably EMH and Seven of Nine) remained my sole motivation to keep watching and not skip it. Dark Nest is literally that, but for Star Wars. I was expecting far worse, considering all the things I've heard about Denning, but what I got was harmless at best. However, Legacy Of The Force and Fate of The Jedi are next on my list, and from what I understand, they are the Expanded Universe at its most divisive and hated, thanks largely to Denning's efforts (and to a lesser extent, Traviss'). That is both terrifying and intriguing, but something tells me that I'm still going to enjoy them more than the Sequel Trilogy...if, for nothing else, being original and creative.
 
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TL ; DR To sum up, my experience while reading Dark Nest was eerily similar to my experience with watching Star Trek Voyager for the first time last year, in that it almost felt like filler. I didn't give a remote fuck about the overarching story or the bland threat at the core of the conflict (Species 8472 in the case of Voyager), but the interactions between characters (most notably EMH and Seven of Nine) remained my sole motivation to keep watching and not skip it. Dark Nest is literally that, but for Star Wars. I was expecting far worse, considering all the things I've heard about Denning, but what I got was harmless at best. However, Legacy Of The Force and Fate of The Jedi are next on my list, and from what I understand, they are the Expanded Universe at its most divisive and hated, thanks largely to Denning's efforts (and to a lesser extent, Traviss'). That is both terrifying and intriguing, but something tells me that I'm still going to enjoy them more than the Sequel Trilogy...if, for nothing else, being original and creative.
Thanks for the summary. It's been quite a while since I read the Dark Nest trilogy, but from what I remember, my feelings on the story largely mirrored yours, such as too much focus on the Big Three at the expense of the new and interesting generation of heroes who had been coming into their own over the course of the New Jedi Order series, and a really uninteresting antagonist faction. Yeah, we get that the Killiks are ancient and mysterious, and can apparently absorb other insectile races into their hive-mind (and that this would obviously be a Very Bad Thing, especially in the case of species like the Verpine and Colicoids) but, they're just sort of...there. It was definitely a bit of a letdown after the the wildly colorful Yuuzhan Vong and all of their internal politics, drama and religious disputes, and the whole trilogy feel like a perfunctory time-filler more than anything.

That said, reading your posts and those of @GeneralFriendliness has inspired me to try something similar, since the discussion here has slowed down a little bit lately. I'd like to try doing a chapter-by-chapter summary of the Republic Commando books starting sometime this week, since I've lately been re-reading the series and I think it would be interesting to discuss it at length.
 
So he never left as CEO?

Because this sounds like Disney being dishonest or something. Again.
From I was reading and this huge information, Iger is taking control of the company again because Chapek can’t do shit apparently during the corona pandemic. Iger has stated to NYT is that the company is going to look incredibly different after the pandemic is blown over and he apparently stated that Disney would be ending expensive old-school television practices like advertising upfronts and producing pilots for programs that may never air. Disney is also likely to reopen with less office space. He’s also told two people that he anticipated the company having fewer employees.

Regarding Star Wars and Lucasfilm, I suspect he’ll have them pull the plug on several projects just to save costs.
 
Thanks for the summary. It's been quite a while since I read the Dark Nest trilogy, but from what I remember, my feelings on the story largely mirrored yours, such as too much focus on the Big Three at the expense of the new and interesting generation of heroes who had been coming into their own over the course of the New Jedi Order series, and a really uninteresting antagonist faction. Yeah, we get that the Killiks are ancient and mysterious, and can apparently absorb other insectile races into their hive-mind (and that this would obviously be a Very Bad Thing, especially in the case of species like the Verpine and Colicoids) but, they're just sort of...there.
I think the worst part about what you highlighted in the bolded is the sheer squandered potential in regards to the Killik's ancient nature as a species. Part of what made the Yuuzhan Vong so cool to me was their intricate and labyrinthene backstory. It isn't so defined in the early NJO books, but once you get to the end of the series and have all of the lore and pieces in place, the backstory of the Vong is really interesting...their fall from grace as a species and their evolution into their warlike state, coupled with the great lie behind their religion and the machinations of a certain Shamed One, read like the kind of intricate history-building found in high fantasy or tabletop campaign settings. Now, in Dark Nest's defense, it doesn't have 19 novels and 10+ authors to flesh out the Killik in such a manner, and the Yuuzhan Vong were more or less the ultimate mystery of New Jedi Order's story arc (a mystery tied to their Force Immunity and Jacen Solo's dilemma of defeating them), one that unraveled over the course of the series. But Dark Nest doesn't simply lack the elaborate backstory of the Vong...it barely has a backstory for the Killiks at all. Their ancient history as some kind of forerunner race in the GFFA is barely touched upon. I got uber-pissed at the end of Swarm War at the part where Luke cockteases the audience by glossing over the possibility that the Killiks built Centerpoint Station, and then dropping it almost immediately. And it's not like the books are devoid on info on the Killiks--they have Clighal and the Joiner Kids talk incessantly about the biological and hive mind-related aspects of the bugs, going on these tangents about how their pheromones and collective consciousness works. So Denning clearly has explanations of the species on hand, but only the information necessary for the characters to defeat them.

Which is fucking weird, since unlike the Vong, the Killik are made to be some kind of misunderstood alien race at the center of some Dances With Wolves/Avatar-esque conflict with the Chiss, with the Young Jedi Knights practically bending over to defend the Killik's innocence, almost like their personal lawyers, at every given opportunity, you'd think Denning would've fleshed out their history to make them more sympathetic.

You know what doesn't make them more sympathetic? Jaina and Zekk going on their 18th fucking tangent about how the "poor innocent bugs DINDU NOTHING." Seriously, for as interesting as some of the Jedi debates regarding the Killik were, that bugged the shit out of me for the entire trilogy. (...n-no pun intended).

It was definitely a bit of a letdown after the the wildly colorful Yuuzhan Vong and all of their internal politics, drama and religious disputes, and the whole trilogy feel like a perfunctory time-filler more than anything.
Honestly, I think Dark Nest would've been better suited to be just one book. So much of the trilogy feels padded out, with not enough happening to justify having the length it has. If you were to isolate the truly important parts of the books (the Swarm War itself, the Jedi debates, the Chiss relaliation, Cal Omas' continuing antagonizing of the Jedi Order, the fallout of Luke's Declaration, and both subplots with Jacen and R2's holo-recordings of Padme), you could've easily made this a one-off conflict for a single novel, or at max two in the vein of the Hand Of Thrawn Duology. You could argue that having so much happen in a single or pair of novels is overkill, but considering Denning wrote the single longest book in NJO at a whopping 624 pages, I don't think length is really an issue for him.

Cutting out all of the stupid-ass scenes with his forced comedy side-kick duo, and that moronic Squib sub-plot carried over from Tatooine Ghost would've saved a few hundred pages as well. All of that was unnecessary garbage that went nowhere and added nothing of value.

That said, reading your posts and those of @GeneralFriendliness has inspired me to try something similar, since the discussion here has slowed down a little bit lately. I'd like to try doing a chapter-by-chapter summary of the Republic Commando books starting sometime this week, since I've lately been re-reading the series and I think it would be interesting to discuss it at length.
If you could, that would actually be great. I'm going to be starting Legacy Of The Force very soon, and knowing about Traviss' contributions regarding the Mandalorians elsewhere in the EU would be helpful as I read that story arc. As I understand it, her whole Mando shtick is incredibly controversial, and apparently side-tracked the story arc I'm about to read (though I must confess, that I probably won't be too bothered, considering the last thirty-something books I've read in the EU have been utterly devoid of Mandalorians, thus rendering me un-fatigued). Regardless, I'm not one to say "no" to more potential EU discussions. Now's a good time as any, with the current canon drought and the mediocre doldrums of High Republic right around the corner.
Not to mention that I need any excuse to stay literate during this quarantine.
 
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