Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Adamska]

I thought Iger was still technically in charge and just had Chapek as the ceo, so he didn't have to take any financial responsibility.

I suspect he wanted Chapek to do the harder decisions so HE doesn't look bad and can make promises if I had to guess this little stupid game of rotating chairs.

 

[Flexo]

"Ah yes, there are certain irregularities here that definitely demand investiga- wait, the Separatists are secretly massing droid armies on Geonosis to attack the Republic?‽ And they're executing Jedi Knights and Republic Senators?‽ Don't just stand there, man! Deploy the clones! ON THE DOUBLE!!"

Actually that brings up another good point...

Obi-Wan contact the Council. Informs them about the clones, they do nothing.
Obi-Wan later is on Geonosis, THEN contacts Anakin who forwards the message to the Council. Obi-Wan gets kidnapped "on screen" so Mace Windu resolves to bring a rescue force, while Yoda now says he'll go investigate the clones.
Then later the Jedi forces are overwhelmed in battle - send no messages - but Yoda knows to come with the army.

Yeah yeah, seen the future with the Force, my main point is that it's a really weak writing device. Plus there's 2 other inconsistencies.
1) Why did Mace bring so many Jedi? Last time we saw there was an entire blockade of a planet they sent 2. One guy gets kidnapped, and they bring an entire contingent. I can see more than two, but multiple dozens? It's almost like they read the script and knew a fight scene was coming.
2) Forgetting the clones a moment, where did Yoda get everything else? If the Republic is supposed to have been at peace for years and have no standing army, then where the fuck did the frog get a drop ship?? Or walker tanks? Isn't it really convenient that not only were the clones ready to go, but apparently all the logistics had them fully supplied as well? (To be fair, this is as much bullshit as the sequels giving Palpatine 2.0 fully staffed star destroyers in the millions.)

 

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2) Forgetting the clones a moment, where did Yoda get everything else? If the Republic is supposed to have been at peace for years and have no standing army, then where the fuck did the frog get a drop ship?? Or walker tanks? Isn't it really convenient that not only were the clones ready to go, but apparently all the logistics had them fully supplied as well? (To be fair, this is as much bullshit as the sequels giving Palpatine 2.0 fully staffed star destroyers in the millions.)

If I recall there's a brief shot of the clones marching onto one of their assault ships in the Kamino scene (or was that at the end of the movie?). But it seems implied that it's part of the package you get when you order a clone army. Who'd want to order a bunch of elite soldiers without any equipment?

 

[Cyril Sneer]

Then later the Jedi forces are overwhelmed in battle - send no messages - but Yoda knows to come with the army.

We don't know that they didn't send any messages, or not sending messages could have been the signal for Yoda to deploy the clones.

1) Why did Mace bring so many Jedi? Last time we saw there was an entire blockade of a planet they sent 2. One guy gets kidnapped, and they bring an entire contingent. I can see more than two, but multiple dozens? It's almost like they read the script and knew a fight scene was coming.

Chancellor Valorum sent two Jedi Knights in secret to hopefully frighten the Trade Federation into giving up their blockade of Naboo, which was considered a minor trade dispute (and Valorum's gambit would have worked if the Neimodians weren't taking orders from Darth Sidious).

Having a Confederation of planets/megacorporations building an army for the specific purpose of breaking off from the Republic (and executing Republic representatives to boot) obviously demands a much more forceful response.

2) Forgetting the clones a moment, where did Yoda get everything else? If the Republic is supposed to have been at peace for years and have no standing army, then where the fuck did the frog get a drop ship?? Or walker tanks? Isn't it really convenient that not only were the clones ready to go, but apparently all the logistics had them fully supplied as well?

The same place where Palpatine hid the Death Star's construction budget.

 

[Flexo]

If I recall there's a brief shot of the clones marching onto one of their assault ships in the Kamino scene (or was that at the end of the movie?). But it seems implied that it's part of the package you get when you order a clone army. Who'd want to order a bunch of elite soldiers without any equipment?

Nah you're thinking of the very ending shot of the movie and it's on coruscant. Which... also seems weird now - so they loaded all the troops onto giant ships, moved them all onto coruscant where they were then unloaded, displayed for the Senate, to then be reloaded onto the giant transports again?

Wait. That actually does sound like the military.

If we were being nitpicking nerds though, I can see the Kaminoes now... "Sorry but we're just cloners, do we look like Best Buy to you? You want accessories, you gotta go to that other planet..." Especially since their above water complexes didn't look like it had much room for major equipment manufacturing.

Having a Confederation of planets/megacorporations building an army for the specific purpose of breaking off from the Republic (and executing Republic representatives to boot) obviously demands a much more forceful response.

So I was going to go to the transcript to point out how wrong you are, but then the script database showed me something much more interesting...

Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Script at IMSDb.

Star Wars: Attack of the Clones script at the Internet Movie Script Database.

www.imsdb.com

OBI-WAN
...Starships from the Trade
Federation and the Commerce Guilds
are taking deliveries of battle
droids from the foundries on
Geonosis.

BAIL ORGANA
That's outrageous! The treaty
forbids the Trade Federation from
building up an army. What are
they doing?!

OBI-WAN
The droid foundry seems to be
working at full capacity. I am
going to go down and investigate.
I will bring Jango Fett back home
for interrogation.

PALPATINE
Those Geonosian foundries are part
of the Techno Union. We will call
in their representatives and ask
them a few very pointed questions.

OBI-WAN
One more thing. Jango mentioned
he was recruited by someone named
Darth Tyranus. Any idea who that
might be?

YODA
With the forename Darth, a Sith he
must be.

MACE WINDU
Our missing apprentice. They are
playing their hand at last.

OBI-WAN
Do you believe he could be the
mysterious Sido-Dyas, who made the
deal for the clone army?

YODA
Perhaps too many pieces are missing
from this puzzle, there are.

MACE WINDU
Be careful, Obi-Wan. This
investigation is becoming less
than routine. Do you need help?

OBI-WAN
Let me see if I can figure out
what's going on first.

So originally they absolutely knew the Sith were behind the clone army and STILL accepted it. LOL Oh I am probably going to be keeping myself occupied doing a comparison between draft and finished product.

Here's this scene for those curious.

(that's also probably the best romantic scene between Padme and Anakin)

The same place where Palpatine hid the Death Star's construction budget.

Giving you the like for that.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

If I recall there's a brief shot of the clones marching onto one of their assault ships in the Kamino scene (or was that at the end of the movie?). But it seems implied that it's part of the package you get when you order a clone army. Who'd want to order a bunch of elite soldiers without any equipment?

Yeah you see them marching on a ramp on Kamino, probably not a drop ship.

In regards to how the Kaminoans purchased the equipment, wookiepedia claims that the Kaminoans subcontracted manufacurers or they were purchased by the Republic. So it’s all an asspull, but one that I can accept given that the rise of the separatists would’ve increased concerns about military readiness across the galaxy.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

If we were being nitpicking nerds though, I can see the Kaminoes now... "Sorry but we're just cloners, do we look like Best Buy to you? You want accessories, you gotta go to that other planet..." Especially since their above water complexes didn't look like it had much room for major equipment manufacturing.

According to Republic Commando: Hard Contact, the Kaminoans have other facilities besides Tipoca City. One of them is mentioned to have a shaft wide and deep enough that you could lose a starcruiser in it, and there are others designed to provide simulated battlefields in every imaginable environment, so we're talking about structures with several square kilometers of open space at least (which would make sense, after all; Lama Su comments that the clone troopers are one of the finest armies the Kaminoans have ever created, indicating that this is fairly run-of-the-mill work for them).

So I was going to go to the transcript to point out how wrong you are, but then the script database showed me something much more interesting...

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So originally they absolutely knew the Sith were behind the clone army and STILL accepted it. LOL

Key word here being "originally." Jango certainly doesn't say anything about working with a"Darth" Tyrannous in the shooting script.

Giving you the like for that.

 

[Flexo]

According to Republic Commando: Hard Contact, the Kaminoans have other facilities besides Tipoca City. One of them is mentioned to have a shaft wide and deep enough that you could lose a starcruiser in it, and there are others designed to provide simulated battlefields in every imaginable environment, so we're talking about structures with several square kilometers of open space at least (which would make sense, after all; Lama Su comments that the clone troopers are one of the finest armies the Kaminoans have ever created, indicating that this is fairly run-of-the-mill work for them).

Wait... how can they be adept at creating armies if the galaxy is at peace? Lol

Oh man. They should have made clones the bad guy army. Given the other separatists factions you could buy them fielding large manufacturing projects.

Key word here being "originally." Jango certainly doesn't say anything about working with a"Darth" Tyrannous in the shooting script.

Yeah and it points to they were aware of plot holes somewhat from the start.

Poor George. Episode 1 should have been the set up - a brief spurt of attempted rebellion that is put down by the Republic, and teaches both sides to prepare. Then E2 is the turning point where the bad guys roll out their decade long build up and the Republic has to scramble to contend with them. The you have E3 with the conclusion.

But like with the Ewoks, Lucas got more concerned about politics than story and screwed it all up. Then Disney had to go and repeat the mistake...

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

“Recruited by Tyrannus on the moons of Bogden” Right after that, Obi-Wan should’ve gone straight to Bogden and put a hold on the clone army.

Also, who the fuck was paying for that army? Obi-Wan should’ve looked into financials of that order. Screw tracking down the attempted assassination of a senator, some Jedi just bought an army on the council’s dime!

Ya know when I saw that movie: I THOUGHT it was really simple. Darth Sidious was just using an alias of Sifo dyias.

Thus, putting in an order and financing it. That seems fairly air tight.

Until, George clarified that it wasn't that at all. It was actually completely nonsensical and retarded...

 

[HeyYou]

Announcement in Swarm War, and all of the sobering moments surrounding R2-D2's archival footage of Anakin Skywalker.

Those were actually pretty good scenes, if a bit on the nose. Luke finds his father's behavior creepy, while Jacen has no context and finds him a bit admirable. Then you get to the scene of Padme's death, and it gets even better. Luke can't handle seeing Anakin murder Padme, but Jacen insists that Luke has to confront that pain. It's a very benign Vergere teaching, considering the rest of the shit she put in his head, but it still gives you a sense of unease. It's also very unlike Anakin, who absolutely could not deal with his pain, which avoids LotF's problem of making Caedus a carbon copy of Vader.

The only problem is how Jacen acts during the rest of the trilogy. There was absolutely no subtlety in the Dark Nest Trilogy that Jacen was going to turn evil, because the narrative gives ample insight into his twisted mindset. If Jacen's plans had never been revealed, and instead we're taken outside of his head for the first time, it would have been far more effective to see him fall later on. LotF makes this even worse, because from what I remember they couldn't go five fucking seconds without having characters compare him to Anakin. I can't remember if they did that in DNT too.

If you could, that would actually be great. I'm going to be starting Legacy Of The Force very soon, and knowing about Traviss' contributions regarding the Mandalorians elsewhere in the EU would be helpful as I read that story arc. As I understand it, her whole Mando shtick is incredibly controversial, and apparently side-tracked the story arc I'm about to read (though I must confess, that I probably won't be too bothered, considering the last thirty-something books I've read in the EU have been utterly devoid of Mandalorians, thus rendering me un-fatigued). Regardless, I'm not one to say "no" to more potential EU discussions. Now's a good time as any, with the current canon drought and the mediocre doldrums of High Republic right around the corner.
Not to mention that I need any excuse to stay literate during this quarantine.

Oh, the Mandalorian subplot is completely nonsensical in LotF, even I'm willing to accept that Boba training Jaina makes some sense (and, hell, I'm starting to, even if it led to jack squat in the actual story). No one cares that much because the rest of LotF is nonsensical anyways. Like, how can you hate the Mandalorians being included in LotF when the main two factions are so damn unlikable? Corellia is almost entirely made up of fucking space Nazis, and Caedus and Niathal's mind boggling leadership makes the Galactic Alliance barely any better. The only thing that keeps the Galactic Alliance in the right is that Corellia started all that shit over goddamn war taxes. Either LotF needed to be smaller scale, or it needed to be expanded to take place over a few more years, because nothing in LotF justifies calling the conflict the Second Galactic Civil War.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Ya know when I saw that movie: I THOUGHT it was really simple. Darth Sidious was just using an alias of Sifo dyias.

Never really thought of it as a cover name. I thought that Sifo Dyas was actually working with Dooku, but wanted to use the clones to defeat Sidious. Dooku’s allegience to the Sith means that Dyas had to die in order to keep the Jedi and the Republic in the dark.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

Never really thought of it as a cover name. I thought that Sifo Dyas was actually working with Dooku, but wanted to use the clones to defeat Sidious. Dooku’s allegience to the Sith means that Dyas had to die in order to keep the Jedi and the Republic in the dark.

I mean, phonetically, they sound similar. So, I thought it was trying to tip off the audience.

Granted, it's a bit on the nose. But, that's appropriate for Star Wars..

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

[/QUOTE]

Ya know when I saw that movie: I THOUGHT it was really simple. Darth Sidious was just using an alias of Sifo dyias.

Thus, putting in an order and financing it. That seems fairly air tight.

Until, George clarified that it wasn't that at all. It was actually completely nonsensical and exceptional...

Better than my guess I thought Sifo Diyas was Darth Maul.

 

[The Nothingness]

Okay I recently saw Genndy Tarvosky's Clone Wars in its entirety (I know, I'm late to the party). For a micro-series it was very consistent with the lore of the franchise. Asajj Ventress and Durge had that aura much like Maul and Bobo Fett did when they were first introduced. And the comparisons of Grievous between Genndy Wars and Filoni Wars have already been said. Too bad we never got a longer series that could have so more of the conflict from both sides and showcase more of the characters. And in all likelihood it would not become a convoluted mess littered with plot holes.

 

[Flexo]

Okay I recently saw Genndy Tarvosky's Clone Wars in its entirety (I know, I'm late to the party). For a micro-series it was very consistent with the lore of the franchise. Asajj Ventress and Durge had that aura much like Maul and Bobo Fett did when they were first introduced. And the comparisons of Grievous between Genndy Wars and Filoni Wars have already been said. Too bad we never got a longer series that could have so more of the conflict from both sides and showcase more of the characters. And in all likelihood it would not become a convoluted mess littered with plot holes.

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[Gallofag]

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Ironic Genndy's Clone Wars has more over the top action and feats, yet is still far more grounded and more connected with Revenge of The Sith then Filoni's.

 

[Creep3r]

Admittedly Syfo Dias being Sidious felt like the most obvious cover, and initially it felt odd that George chose that not to be the case, granted it did take me by surprise, even though it felt absolutely pointless, but the novel Darth Plagueis actually warmed me up to the idea and character after they explored his connection with Dooku and that his existence would serve as the main catalyst for the birth of Darth Tyranus. I only wish Dooku would've had some sort of presence or mention in Episode I or that they would've released Star Wars: Bounty Hunter a bit before Episode II.

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HUZZAH!

 

[Gallofag]

I think all of Lucasfilm needs to be replaced now.

You know what I wouldn't mind a bit if they made another Clone Wars show that stepped on Filoni's, he deserves it at this point.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Are there Star Wars fan organizations that aren’t Disney shills? Because I prefer they run Lucasfilm instead of Kennedy.

 

[Creep3r]

Are there Star Wars fan organizations that aren’t Disney shills? Because I prefer they run Lucasfilm instead of Kennedy.

Most of them fell apart or became shills, with the 501st suffering both fates. Only ones left aren't that big or well organized except for one but I doubt Disney would ever bother to listen to them. If Lucasfilm ever grew desperate enough for fan input, they'd just hold a poll or write-in vote thing and everyone would just say 501st despite those fuckers being a completely hollow shell of what they used to be. And that's without getting into all the internal drama going on with them.