Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[It's HK-47]

I legit thought you were Drain Todger for a second there.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I legit thought you were Drain Todger for a second there.

It is hard to tell the Doomer Trolls from the Doomer Lolcows sometimes.

 

[JosephStalin]

Checked Raleigh paper and one of the TV stations. They are buttsnorkeling the Raleigh PD. No mention whatsoever of the Raleigh PD's tweet. Sent the TV station a correction. Figure the odds.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

And people will die of corona regardless. Think of all the workers still working, and all the shopping at supermarkets, and all the violations of social distancing. Corona wont stop, the "lock-downs" are far from.

People around me are getting antsy. Neighboors have been meeting with friends for weeks now. People are still following social distancing pretty well in stores and restaurants, but I'm starting to hear more resentment of the lockdown every day. Co-workers are all itching to get back to work, every day that goes by with this is a day without any OT, and as a result a -45% income. People are bored out of their skulls, but so far things are staying relatively calm.

There has been a distinct shift from two weeks ago, where people were in a "we must come together in a time of crisis" mode. Now they are starting to get antsy as states start extending this into the middle of may, and the governor has been getting more vocal pushback on social media and in the form of larger protests. The government has been very cagey on announcing an end to the "house arrest by another name" and if they dont get a set end date soon, things are going to start getting ugly, especially as testing continues to be non existent (based on hospitalization rates seen in other countries/states, we are finding MAYBE 5% of infections at BEST, and we still test less statewide per day then detroit does per hour). The state has also constantly dropped the ball on any sort of relief, which has business owners and the unemployed royally pissed.

Me? Obviously I'm totally in favor of opening back up at the end of april. There have been a few posters here saying Corona is more deadly then Swine flu, this is factually incorrect, Swine flu killed 60K including pneumonia deaths, corona has killed 25,730 including pneumonia deaths. We didnt shut down for swine flu. I understand the need for the lockdown, the corona toll would have been FAR higher without it, but we need to get things going now that the peak is passing, yes some will die and some will be sickened, but the vast majority of those infected will be fine and there is no purpose in protecting everyone if the world that results is populated solely by mcdonalds and walmart. All the local stores and small/medium businesses cant survive this much longer, and the social contract that gives the government power wont survive if millions decide to just ignore the government.

At least I live in an area of high gun ownership rates, so the authorities have not gotten persnickety with people yet. We dont have cops around here telling us we cant protest or writing tickets for walking with out kids.

They were saying on the news tonight that half of US corona deaths have been in nursing homes. And yes, that's terrible, and no, I don't want old people to die, but that really is different from the Spanish Flu, where lots and lots of young people died. I know young people have died from this but they die from the regular flu and the regular pneumonia, too, and yes, that includes children. It’s like we’ve forgotten that we as a society do accept deaths from infectious disease as something that happens when people say ‘we can’t reopen until there’s no deaths’.

 

[samuraicrack]

How is it that in the span of a month we went from the popular opinion being that you’re a fucking moron if you don’t take the Coronavirus and Quarantine seriously to you’re a fucking moron if you want everything to stay shut down and everyone to stay inside?

 

[JosephStalin]

How is it that in the span of a month we went from the popular opinion being that you’re a fucking moron if you don’t take the Coronavirus and Quarantine seriously to you’re a fucking moron if you want everything to stay shut down and everyone to stay inside?

Because people did a reality check.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

> “CoViD iSn’T aS bAd aS sWiNe fLu”
No, it's worse. Your number of '63k' in the US is flat out wrong. It is super wrong. Everything I've seen and read about the swine flu deaths in the US gives a maximum of around 20k deaths. Reported confirmed deaths were around 3k. Confirmed cause of death in the US as already surpassed that, and surpassed the world wide confirmed deaths from Swine Flu by a few thousand already.

You're flat out fucking wrong and dangerously wrong at that. Where the hell did you even get the 60k number from? Your ass? A global guess? Because every bit of available data in the US says that Swine Flu was no where near as bad as COVID-19. Even with the higher range of estimates from underreporting from Swine Flu, if you apply the same to covid the actual death rate in the US is still higher because the confirmed death rate is still higher. Swine Flu deaths being twenty times what the official numbers are sounds ludicrous at best, and on your end a failure to understand how pneumonia deaths are factored into the count of deaths at worst. Because Corona can kill in a couple of different ways, that aren't pneumonia based, assuming a failure to report that large we're looking at 400k deaths or so from Corona in the country right now, if you're saying the official numbers are that disconnected from reality. That'd be around the number of deaths it took the Swine Flu 11 years to reach, in less than six months.

Fuck off with bad data, and learn to use google at least before you spout shit like that again.

Confirmed deaths were only direct H1N1 infections. 56K dies of pneumonia related to flus in 2009, and the 12K official estimate is just that, AN ESTIMATE, because they didnt test many of those pneumonia cases for the swine flu.

Also, speaking of OFFICIAL estimates:

"The total of median estimates of country-specific respiratory deaths was 201,200, with a range of 105,700 to 395,600, calculated on the basis of the 25th- and 75th-percentile estimates for each age-group and country. Another 83,300 deaths (range, 46,000 to 179,900) were attributed to cardiovascular complications, for a total of 284,400 (range, 151,700 to 575,400). (Because of rounding of regional estimates, the totals don't add up precisely.)

The World Health Organization (WHO) has put the number of deaths from confirmed 2009 H1N1 flu at a minimum of 18,449, but that number is regarded as well below the true total, mainly because many people who die of flu-related causes are not tested for the disease. "

CDC estimate of global H1N1 pandemic deaths: 284,000

(CIDRAP News) – Working with admittedly sparse data, a research team led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated the global death toll from the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic at more than 284,000, about 15 times the number of laboratory-confirmed cases.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

So are you going and trusting the WHO's garbage data again? Official swine flu death totals are likely far below their ACTUAL totals because of lack of testing (hey sound familiar?). The unreported cases for corona are largely the mild and asymptomatic cases, the severe and lethal cases have far better representation in overall death statistics then Swine flu received.

Also LOL calm down you exceptional individual.

How is it that in the span of a month we went from the popular opinion being that you’re a fucking moron if you don’t take the Coronavirus and Quarantine seriously to you’re a fucking moron if you want everything to stay shut down and everyone to stay inside?

The most vocal swing wildly from one extreme to the other. The more moderate dont tend to scream as loudly.

 

[Exbein]

flipland summary as of April 14, 2020

had to do some grocery run yesterday. 6 hour line and wait. out of garlic and chicken. pork still good. alcohol is prioritized to frontlines. also 3in1 coffee are all out. too tired yesterday to post updates and after resting I forgot.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

How is it that in the span of a month we went from the popular opinion being that you’re a fucking moron if you don’t take the Coronavirus and Quarantine seriously to you’re a fucking moron if you want everything to stay shut down and everyone to stay inside?

Combination of seeing that the WuFlu isn't nearly as bad as the Doomcows think it is and the actual effects of Being sealed into your own jail by the government Shelter in Place economically and in terms of the cost of freedoms.

 

[derpherp2]

Combination of seeing that the WuFlu isn't nearly as bad as the Doomcows think it is and the actual effects of Being sealed into your own jail by the government Shelter in Place economically and in terms of the cost of freedoms.

Also the laws becoming more draconian, the ineptitude of the media to provide any meaningful information forcing the information stream to rely on less formal sources (thus being more susceptible to doomerfags), and somehow turning a virus into a political problem.

Can't take this seriously if conspiracy nuts are reeeee'ing about it or CNN is just bashing Trump business as usual.
Add how nice the weather outside has been (barring the weirdass rain spam a while back, and the angry volcano in asia somewhere).

 

[irishAzoth]

How is it that in the span of a month we went from the popular opinion being that you’re a fucking moron if you don’t take the Coronavirus and Quarantine seriously to you’re a fucking moron if you want everything to stay shut down and everyone to stay inside?

its because they don't want to be locked up with the shadow people that live in their mirrors anymore
edit: fraudian slip

 

[no_mad_johnny]

How is it that in the span of a month we went from the popular opinion being that you’re a fucking moron if you don’t take the Coronavirus and Quarantine seriously to you’re a fucking moron if you want everything to stay shut down and everyone to stay inside?

Probably because the fatalities were among obvious risk groups: fatties, the elderly and people with preexisting conditions who would be affected by anything anyway.

It sounds awful to say it plainly but the illness just doesn't seem worth the trouble of a year long quarantine. It's a highly contagious disease sure but not a particularly fatal one.

The fact that certain countries with loose restrictions seem to have fared well doesn't help break the sense that wuflu isn't that big of a deal.

I remain cautious about the disease and don't mind the quarantine too much as I said before. I'm even a bit of a doomer myself. Still even I have to admit that the year long quarantine sounds improbable at best and downright unenforceable at worst.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

*looks at his phone as it buzzes with a notification*

What is that I got a deposit?

TRUMPBUX TIME!

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

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Stuff like this is why Trump is going to win.

If the left is stupid enough to outright defend WHO instead of pointing out both WHO and Trump lied early on then they deserve to lose. Years pass and I still get surprised how easily people take Trump's bait when he throws it out.

How is it that in the span of a month we went from the popular opinion being that you’re a fucking moron if you don’t take the Coronavirus and Quarantine seriously to you’re a fucking moron if you want everything to stay shut down and everyone to stay inside?

It reached the US and the issue was quickly politicized by all sides including me. Now people have an emotional investment in either seeing this fly out of control or seeing it quickly contained.

 

[simulated goat]

I hope people get back to it. Or find a compromise somewhere in the middle. I could give a shit, all my stuff is from home until June and I'm enjoying my garden, but I know others are broke antsy. Even our older roommate is getting really restless, the old fool never wanted to go anywhere before, but as soon as sheltering became official he's been as fidgety as a teenager.

 

[rando0675309]

If the left is stupid enough to outright defend WHO instead of pointing out both WHO and Trump lied early on then they deserve to lose. Years pass and I still get surprised how easily people take Trump's bait when he throws it out.


It reached the US and the issue was quickly politicized by all sides including me. Now people have an emotional investment in either seeing this fly out of control or seeing it quickly contained.

The left is married lock, stock, and barrel to globalism. For them, any criticism of the UN and any associated entities is anathema. And Trump knows that. It's pathetic like clubbing baby seals at this point, but fuck the left and the media so unlike to seals, I have no sympathy for them.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Shots fired by former CNN golden girl Soledad O'Brien

http://archive.is/kAiqf

 

[feral cat #6385]

Damn Trump bending at the knee hard for the Governors.

The United States isn't a monarchy. This is purely in the realm on states rights. Best he can do is sue them for violating interstate commerce. Not necessarily a sure bet.

 

[Slap47]

Seems like the winds are changing.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The United States isn't a monarchy. This is purely in the realm on states rights. Best he can do is sue them for violating interstate commerce. Not necessarily a sure bet.

Also, we are the UNITED STATES of America. The governors are sovereign within their borders to a very large extent. This includes absolute authority over commerce within their borders barring only explicit prohibitions in federal law and the constitution. The Federal President has very limited power over a State Governor in the US.

The only shocking thing to me is why this is so shocking to so many people. For christ's sake, this was taught to me in 8th grade social studies. I cant be the only person who paid attention and remembered this shit