Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[XYZpdq]

Central FL local report, between Sale Day and Everybody's Staying At Home my buddy says the local weed place is three hour wait on pickup orders instead of the usual 30min

and a three week wait on home delivery, but no idea what the baseline was

 

[Cycleye]

I have tried to follow this thread from the beginning so may have missed this....

https://www.amazon.com/Fuck-China-Protest-Supporter-T-Shirt/dp/B07WWKF8P7

 

[JosephStalin]

What did they mean by this?

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Whoever tweeted "Protesting is a non-essential activity" needs to be fired. Fuck these assholes.

This will just enrage people, locally and nationwide.

When pushbacks against house arrest become violent, nationwide, we can all thank the Raleigh Police Department. They have, indeed, shown everyone in the USA that they consider the people to be no more than animals.

Gonna be REAL interesting to see what happens in Raleigh next. Looking at the Twitter, suspect there may well be a much bigger demonstration tomorrow.

Think YOUR law enforcement won't say the same to YOU? Guess again.

Added: The Raleigh Police Department has opened a Pandora's box. This is going nationwide.

 

[Not Really Here]

and a three week wait on home delivery, but no idea what the baseline was

30 minutes to 10 hours if you are near the SBOT and ordering from a dude in an Escalade with a revolver.
At least it was in mid 2000.

 

[Powder Puff Gorl]

I don't think he was responding from a Christian standpoint - this isn't a "Render unto Caesar" thing.
He's expressing the (once commonplace) belief that Rights aren't issued by the government, they exist outside of that, otherwise they're not fundamental human rights, just local conventions.
It's a right wing US thing to be careful about how you understand and talk about the Constitution / Bill of rights. The Bill of Rights doesn't grant you your rights, it merely enumerates your natural rights you already have, and says this government will not be allowed to trample them . It's an important distinction in my opinion. Otherwise basic rights are no more permanent that minor details of the tax code.

Yeah I got that and totally agree. My comment was more directed at the pastors in the article and the churches in the country who are using faith and scripture for their own gain, basically. I wasn't clear in making the distinction between what @JosephStalin was saying and my point. Mea culpa.

 

[Without A Gout]

Whoever tweeted "Protesting is a non-essential activity" needs to be fired. Fuck these assholes.

This will just enrage people, locally and nationwide.

The British said the same thing when the US was nothing more than a rabble of colonies. Look at how that one turned out.

 

[Fareal]

what I say with my mouth: we must all be responsible and follow whatever the public health guidance is to save lives and protect the NHS, it will be difficult but we stand together

what I think in my mind: TWO FUCKING YEARS OF THIS SHIT?? DO YOU THINK I‘M FUCKIN AUNG SAN SUU KYI, FUCK THIS TIME TO RIOT

 

[XYZpdq]

30 minutes to 10 hours if you are near the SBOT and ordering from a dude in an Escalade with a revolver.
At least it was in mid 2000.

things changed after "medical" went through, especially after actual weed instead of just vape and oil

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Best news I've heard all year, tbh.

Not far enough, Defund the entire fucking UN and kick them the fuck out.

also

"Protesting is a non-essential activity" Fucking What? FUCKING WHAT? The person who made that tweet should be fired, taken out into the street, put in the stockades and pelted with rotten tomatoes every day for the rest of their life.

 

[Not Really Here]

things changed after "medical" went through, especially after actual weed instead of just vape and oil

The only thing John Morgan ever did sober to help FL.

 

[MrBlueSocks]

A lot of drop-in clinics have closed in recent years. To be honest I've got an issue with the way GPs are gatekeepers for the whole system. I've been in other countries where you just go straight to a hospital and the person at the desk directs you to the relevant department. In the UK you can wait a long time before you get to see a GP if you're in a shitty area and even longer to get the required referral to go to a hospital. The UK's system rations healthcare by what is effectively queueing. If you've got something urgently wrong with you, this is bad news, though admittedly the NHS seems to be very good for acute problems like broken limbs. They'll patch you up and send you. What's more worrying is getting diagnosed if you have cancer, let alone treated.

A good post with a lot in it. I don't know enough about the Beveridge/Bismark thing to comment. But any system must have a way of handling the very poor and quite poor who realistically could not afford to pay for their lifetime care. How do you make that work?
Any healthcare system would work well if there were no freeloaders and pisstakers. I've not been to casualty for a few years now luckily, but if you ever go, it's not a cross-section of society. It's very heavily skewed towards the bottom end. Rough as Fuck would descibe most of the waiting room . I don't know if it's their chaotic lives, drug/alcohol use or what. It usually looks like they just don't have the intelligence not to injure themselves in stupid pointless ways. How do Bismarkian systems handle this without just punting them outside to bleed on the pavement?

The bit I've quoted I just wanted to add my experience:
GP - I've had from very very good to half arsed patronising mediocre . They really are variable independent surgeries.
A&E - Pretty good. Though as I alluded to above, don't ever injure yourself late on Friday night..
Acute problems like broken limbs - Or serious acute medical stuff like serious heart disease or fix this right now cancer. Pretty good, in the trusts I've had experience of .

The part they do generally suck at is this middle ground of "serious , but not requiring immediate intervention" . E.g.
Weird pains that might be something minor ...
...But actually turn out to be cancer.
Oh if only we'd caught it sooner you wouldn't be fucked.
What Like, 18 months ago when I first tried to get it seen to you mean ?
Yes

 

[mindlessobserver]

I just got my Trump Bucks! Wow. Never seen the IRS move that fast on anything! Thanks Good Orange Man!

 

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/chinese-consulate-asks-wisconsin-state-senator-for-praise-in-resolution-he-gives-them-a-resolution-they-wont-forget

https://archive.vn/4qUB8

China is now directly reaching out to states in the US to write propaganda they want them to sign.

Saw it on imgur trending: https://imgur.com/gallery/vr3u0HD

 

[MrBlueSocks]

Every time some twat/relation/both rants at me for “wasting my educashunnn” and “not contributing to your family”, I’m inwardly torn between bursting into tears and gouging their fucking eyes out.

Of all the jobs I have ever had, this is the one it’s most important I don’t fuck up, but people look at me like I‘ve had a fucking lobotomy for wanting to do it myself.

You’re told at school that you must work hard and bombarded with the whole teen mum thing. Don’t do that, that’s bad. And remember it wasn’t long ago, even when I was a kid, that girls were told they shouldn’t do certain jobs. That was crap. Then third wave feminism came along and warped the sensible message (women can be scientists/doctors/whatever/ ) into slagging off motherhood as being lesser. So an entire generation of women has been pushed into work (because you can’t raise a family on one income in the uk unless that income is high) AND sold the myth that you can have it all. So all these women dutifully spend years doing their accountancy exams or medical school or a PhD and think they’re doing what they should be doing and then they hit reality. Maternity leave and small toddlers do not work with a really demanding job unless you’ve got enough cash for a nanny or are a superhuman being. junior doctor jobs do not pay enough to hire a nanny. We have a low wage high tax society.

Women can’t win, you’re either a shoulder padded catlady bitch, or a parasite for being a stay at home mum. There’s no way to win the game.

Can I ask you both where are you getting or seeing this approbrium from? Is it other women, your peers? Is it actually explicit, as in people have unambiguously said something disapproving of being a full time mother / housewife ? Or is it just the cultural assumption you feel all around?
I think this is where I have to check my male priviledge. Because I can't think I've seen or heard that among my circles . Maybe I'm not paying attention. The closest I can think of is a couple where she stopped working as soon as she could , years before they had their (single) kid. And didn't do anything with the time except watch TV. But that's an obviously different situation.

From personal peers, the standard approach has been the woman not going back full time until the youngest is in school. And that is almost always because she's going mental and needs to work. Most of the parents at our kids' school are dual jobs, but a few aren't , and I've never heard or noticed anything said. So I'm going to assume this is women being bitchy and tearing each other down, and I'm just to 'tistic to notice. I feel most men would be quite pleased with a wife who wanted to be a full time mother. Unless they were really really struggling financially.

 

[Slap47]

Trump says U.S. will halt funding for WHO while reviewing the organization's role in "mismanaging and covering up" the spread of coronavirus

BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“BREAKING: Trump says U.S. will halt funding for WHO while reviewing the organization's role in "mismanaging and covering up" the spread of coronavirus”

twitter.com

http://archive.li/TXsEI

Stuff like this is why Trump is going to win.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

How do people feel about reopening? I realize that we can't keep doing this until we get a vaccine, but it does seem inevitable that more people will die--but people will die if we don't reopen, not only from economic effects but also because basically every medical procedure has been cancelled unless you're actively dying.

And people will die of corona regardless. Think of all the workers still working, and all the shopping at supermarkets, and all the violations of social distancing. Corona wont stop, the "lock-downs" are far from.

People around me are getting antsy. Neighboors have been meeting with friends for weeks now. People are still following social distancing pretty well in stores and restaurants, but I'm starting to hear more resentment of the lockdown every day. Co-workers are all itching to get back to work, every day that goes by with this is a day without any OT, and as a result a -45% income. People are bored out of their skulls, but so far things are staying relatively calm.

There has been a distinct shift from two weeks ago, where people were in a "we must come together in a time of crisis" mode. Now they are starting to get antsy as states start extending this into the middle of may, and the governor has been getting more vocal pushback on social media and in the form of larger protests. The government has been very cagey on announcing an end to the "house arrest by another name" and if they dont get a set end date soon, things are going to start getting ugly, especially as testing continues to be non existent (based on hospitalization rates seen in other countries/states, we are finding MAYBE 5% of infections at BEST, and we still test less statewide per day then detroit does per hour). The state has also constantly dropped the ball on any sort of relief, which has business owners and the unemployed royally pissed.

Me? Obviously I'm totally in favor of opening back up at the end of april. There have been a few posters here saying Corona is more deadly then Swine flu, this is factually incorrect, Swine flu killed 60K including pneumonia deaths, corona has killed 25,730 including pneumonia deaths. We didnt shut down for swine flu. I understand the need for the lockdown, the corona toll would have been FAR higher without it, but we need to get things going now that the peak is passing, yes some will die and some will be sickened, but the vast majority of those infected will be fine and there is no purpose in protecting everyone if the world that results is populated solely by mcdonalds and walmart. All the local stores and small/medium businesses cant survive this much longer, and the social contract that gives the government power wont survive if millions decide to just ignore the government.

At least I live in an area of high gun ownership rates, so the authorities have not gotten persnickety with people yet. We dont have cops around here telling us we cant protest or writing tickets for walking with out kids.

 

[JosephStalin]

The British said the same thing when the US was nothing more than a rabble of colonies. Look at how that one turned out.

Have emailed this to all my email buddies. Have always had a lot of respect for the police, but can't respect any so-called "law enforcement" who believes they are the NKVD.

Added: Here's MY "permission slip" to protest, assholes.

The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Constitution as it was inscribed by Jacob Shallus on parchment (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum.) The spelling and punctuation reflect the original. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a...

www.archives.gov

https://archive.vn/J9Lmw

 

[Slap47]

And people will die of corona regardless. Think of all the workers still working, and all the shopping at supermarkets, and all the violations of social distancing. Corona wont stop, the "lock-downs" are far from.

It literally spreads through the pipes. This thing will get everybody at some point.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

A good post with a lot in it. I don't know enough about the Beveridge/Bismark thing to comment. But any system must have a way of handling the very poor and quite poor who realistically could not afford to pay for their lifetime care. How do you make that work?
Any healthcare system would work well if there were no freeloaders and pisstakers. I've not been to casualty for a few years now luckily, but if you ever go, it's not a cross-section of society. It's very heavily skewed towards the bottom end. Rough as Fuck would descibe most of the waiting room . I don't know if it's their chaotic lives, drug/alcohol use or what. It usually looks like they just don't have the intelligence not to injure themselves in stupid pointless ways. How do Bismarkian systems handle this without just punting them outside to bleed on the pavement?

It seems like it would work the same way in both systems. In a Beveridge system, they're all covered by the NHS. In a Bismarck system, they've got a choice. If they don't take that they get assigned to the default option, which would look very like the NHS.

Basically it's a voucher system. Everyone gets one healthcare voucher, either from their taxes/national insurance or from the government. There's a choice in which healthcare provider gets the voucher but there is no choice whether it gets spent - it must go to a healthcare provider. If you don't choose you'd get the default system. In the UK there'd be something very like the NHS as the default system but you'd have BUPA and various other systems that competed with it. Though it's kind of different in that the health insurance providers and the hospitals are different. However, I think you could set it up so the default choice would look very like the current NHS system but you'd be able to choose BUPA or someone else instead.

 

[Techpriest]

And people will die of corona regardless. Think of all the workers still working, and all the shopping at supermarkets, and all the violations of social distancing. Corona wont stop, the "lock-downs" are far from.

People around me are getting antsy. Neighboors have been meeting with friends for weeks now. People are still following social distancing pretty well in stores and restaurants, but I'm starting to hear more resentment of the lockdown every day. Co-workers are all itching to get back to work, every day that goes by with this is a day without any OT, and as a result a -45% income. People are bored out of their skulls, but so far things are staying relatively calm.

There has been a distinct shift from two weeks ago, where people were in a "we must come together in a time of crisis" mode. Now they are starting to get antsy as states start extending this into the middle of may, and the governor has been getting more vocal pushback on social media and in the form of larger protests. The government has been very cagey on announcing an end to the "house arrest by another name" and if they dont get a set end date soon, things are going to start getting ugly, especially as testing continues to be non existent (based on hospitalization rates seen in other countries/states, we are finding MAYBE 5% of infections at BEST, and we still test less statewide per day then detroit does per hour). The state has also constantly dropped the ball on any sort of relief, which has business owners and the unemployed royally pissed.

Me? Obviously I'm totally in favor of opening back up at the end of april. There have been a few posters here saying Corona is more deadly then Swine flu, this is factually incorrect, Swine flu killed 60K including pneumonia deaths, corona has killed 25,730 including pneumonia deaths. We didnt shut down for swine flu. I understand the need for the lockdown, the corona toll would have been FAR higher without it, but we need to get things going now that the peak is passing, yes some will die and some will be sickened, but the vast majority of those infected will be fine and there is no purpose in protecting everyone if the world that results is populated solely by mcdonalds and walmart. All the local stores and small/medium businesses cant survive this much longer, and the social contract that gives the government power wont survive if millions decide to just ignore the government.

At least I live in an area of high gun ownership rates, so the authorities have not gotten persnickety with people yet. We dont have cops around here telling us we cant protest or writing tickets for walking with out kids.

> “CoViD iSn’T aS bAd aS sWiNe fLu”
No, it's worse. Your number of '63k' in the US is flat out wrong. It is super wrong. Everything I've seen and read about the swine flu deaths in the US gives a maximum of around 20k deaths. Reported confirmed deaths were around 3k. Confirmed cause of death in the US as already surpassed that, and surpassed the world wide confirmed deaths from Swine Flu by a few thousand already.

You're flat out fucking wrong and dangerously wrong at that. Where the hell did you even get the 60k number from? Your ass? A global guess? Because every bit of available data in the US says that Swine Flu was no where near as bad as COVID-19. Even with the higher range of estimates from underreporting from Swine Flu, if you apply the same to covid the actual death rate in the US is still higher because the confirmed death rate is still higher. Swine Flu deaths being twenty times what the official numbers are sounds ludicrous at best, and on your end a failure to understand how pneumonia deaths are factored into the count of deaths at worst. Because Corona can kill in a couple of different ways, that aren't pneumonia based, assuming a failure to report that large we're looking at 400k deaths or so from Corona in the country right now, if you're saying the official numbers are that disconnected from reality. That'd be around the number of deaths it took the Swine Flu 11 years to reach, in less than six months.

Fuck off with bad data, and learn to use google at least before you spout shit like that again.