Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

Out of curiosity-- and forgive me because I mostly read these threads with the sound off so I don't get the chance to listen to the videos-- I noticed something odd about these latest developments and I was hoping to get the confirmation of someone who's more versed on these two.

It sounds like both Chloe and Nan did their respective big Mea Culpa videos as 'themselves', or rather as 'Nin' and Nan respectively. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole reason of alters supposed to be that they split the emotional and mental load of day to day life? Being burned at the stake as a pedo and/or finding out your gf is a pedo are both INTENSELY high-stress situations, wouldn't this be when their protector alters should have the reins? I mean I know these two are larping, but if they want to come across as legit isn't this when they should almost be getting hijacked by the butch lesbian and the construction worker?

Like if absolutely nothing else this is what their alter ego characters are supposed to be there for, to take the fall for them. I know they both claim they can just choose whoever they want to be in charge like it's a character select screen, but even if that were a thing now is the one time you'd expect something like that to break down. They're trying to be all big-time youtuber and make a professional polished Statement like the other youtuber types... and by doing so they've totally forgotten they're supposed to have a major, debilitating mental condition.
 
Out of curiosity-- and forgive me because I mostly read these threads with the sound off so I don't get the chance to listen to the videos-- I noticed something odd about these latest developments and I was hoping to get the confirmation of someone who's more versed on these two.

It sounds like both Chloe and Nan did their respective big Mea Culpa videos as 'themselves', or rather as 'Nin' and Nan respectively. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole reason of alters supposed to be that they split the emotional and mental load of day to day life? Being burned at the stake as a pedo and/or finding out your gf is a pedo are both INTENSELY high-stress situations, wouldn't this be when their protector alters should have the reins? I mean I know these two are larping, but if they want to come across as legit isn't this when they should almost be getting hijacked by the butch lesbian and the construction worker?

Like if absolutely nothing else this is what their alter ego characters are supposed to be there for, to take the fall for them. I know they both claim they can just choose whoever they want to be in charge like it's a character select screen, but even if that were a thing now is the one time you'd expect something like that to break down. They're trying to be all big-time youtuber and make a professional polished Statement like the other youtuber types... and by doing so they've totally forgotten they're supposed to have a major, debilitating mental condition.
No, yeah. You're pretty much just right, so far as I can tell. They pick and choose, and they're pretty stupid overall. Hence us being able to pretty much prove they're fakers.
 
I want to throw a bit into the ring right now to say, often those who have experienced childhood sexual abuse or unhealthy stability and support during pubescent years where they felt blamed and shamed for their own sexuality might have an unhealthy attitude toward child porn art or fiction. I am not excusing at all Nan’s clear acts of deviance and the danger of that and I hope that’s clear or I have made that clear enough by now my feelings about it.

But people who do this often are inserting themselves as the child or “small” one. In the fantasy, they are the ones receiving the treatment, rather than the ones performing it. It’s a way to normalize and make peace or a connection to someone who made you believe it’s because that’s what love is. Or how you were special to them. It’s forced into your mind there’s something about you that deserved it, so it must be right on some level. That’s the nature of abuse. That’s why it’s so pernicious and so awful and can easily destroy lives. But abuse begets abuse and someone has to be able to step in and try to stop it. Or one just becomes the monster.
 
Out of curiosity-- and forgive me because I mostly read these threads with the sound off so I don't get the chance to listen to the videos-- I noticed something odd about these latest developments and I was hoping to get the confirmation of someone who's more versed on these two.

It sounds like both Chloe and Nan did their respective big Mea Culpa videos as 'themselves', or rather as 'Nin' and Nan respectively. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole reason of alters supposed to be that they split the emotional and mental load of day to day life? Being burned at the stake as a pedo and/or finding out your gf is a pedo are both INTENSELY high-stress situations, wouldn't this be when their protector alters should have the reins? I mean I know these two are larping, but if they want to come across as legit isn't this when they should almost be getting hijacked by the butch lesbian and the construction worker?

Like if absolutely nothing else this is what their alter ego characters are supposed to be there for, to take the fall for them. I know they both claim they can just choose whoever they want to be in charge like it's a character select screen, but even if that were a thing now is the one time you'd expect something like that to break down. They're trying to be all big-time youtuber and make a professional polished Statement like the other youtuber types... and by doing so they've totally forgotten they're supposed to have a major, debilitating mental condition.

The way they define "positive" and "negative" triggers and what constitutes trauma and how amnesia works and exactly what the extent of switching and how it operates. So basically they have within the symptomatic criteria they've created, a blank check to operate however they care to without having to be questioned for how their symptoms and trauma are debilitating.
 
I want to throw a bit into the ring right now to say, often those who have experienced childhood sexual abuse or unhealthy stability and support during pubescent years where they felt blamed and shamed for their own sexuality might have an unhealthy attitude toward child porn art or fiction. I am not excusing at all Nan’s clear acts of deviance and the danger of that and I hope that’s clear or I have made that clear enough by now my feelings about it.

But people who do this often are inserting themselves as the child or “small” one. In the fantasy, they are the ones receiving the treatment, rather than the ones performing it. It’s a way to normalize and make peace or a connection to someone who made you believe it’s because that’s what love is. Or how you were special to them. It’s forced into your mind there’s something about you that deserved it, so it must be right on some level. That’s the nature of abuse. That’s why it’s so pernicious and so awful and can easily destroy lives. But abuse begets abuse and someone has to be able to step in and try to stop it. Or one just becomes the monster.
I agree with this. I also say it's fine to cope that way while in therapy, and explain and go through with it with a therapist as I've seen people cope through drawing "CSA" art where they see themselves as the one being the victim as a way to cope. And it's a bit of a weird coping mechanism, but helps them see through what they did isn't their fault and can be helpful. I can get behind that. But you should NEVER post it. Especially when it is sexual and seen sexual and posted under a sexual tag where shit like this can happen. Nan really should have listened to her therapist and stayed away from the internet to get to the situation and escalated to where it was. It's nasty and gotten way worse than if she just listened. And I have a feeling this may not be the situation with Nan, though I may have not read a lot of the things, I feel both Nan and Chloe are blatant liars who try to come off as educators so they can be looked up upon in the DID community. Anyone with CSA trauma is allowed to cope the way they want, behind closed doors unless you want to share the mechanism with fellow people, but I just find posting your CSA fiction "fetish" art nasty and, shouldn't even be a thought going through a CSA victims mind.
 
I want to throw a bit into the ring right now to say, often those who have experienced childhood sexual abuse or unhealthy stability and support during pubescent years where they felt blamed and shamed for their own sexuality might have an unhealthy attitude toward child porn art or fiction. I am not excusing at all Nan’s clear acts of deviance and the danger of that and I hope that’s clear or I have made that clear enough by now my feelings about it.

But people who do this often are inserting themselves as the child or “small” one. In the fantasy, they are the ones receiving the treatment, rather than the ones performing it. It’s a way to normalize and make peace or a connection to someone who made you believe it’s because that’s what love is. Or how you were special to them. It’s forced into your mind there’s something about you that deserved it, so it must be right on some level. That’s the nature of abuse. That’s why it’s so pernicious and so awful and can easily destroy lives. But abuse begets abuse and someone has to be able to step in and try to stop it. Or one just becomes the monster.
Even if this explains why Nan's like this, there is a problem with trying to figure out why predators exist. "Oh look, they have childhood trauma. That explains everything!" does it tho? Loads of people suffer through shit parenting and still turn out "fine." CP is just such an extreme response to your fucked up childhood.
 
Shouldn’t or couldn’t?
I suppose couldn't would make more sense, but I don't like saying things such as can or can't; could or couldn't happen as Im not a CSA victim myself. So I'll go with shouldn't. Simply because it could happen, but I wouldn't advise to posting it at all, if it is a thought, don't go through with it. It's personal, can be triggering, or can end you up in shit like this entire thread.
 
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Good on ya. I'm far too lazy to ever make an OP and keep it going myself, but I definitely admire the dedication(autism) required to do so. Same with archiving, transcribing and all the other valuable shit farmers do around here. Gotta love that people like you exist so people like me can leech off the blood, sweat, and aspergers.

Ambi, please, we add the spice to the main ingredients of the thread: (unimportant) commentary and speculation.

Thank you! I maybe confused my point by choosing the post that I did to reference. I'm asking if any of the things people are saying Chloe is probably doing right now (waiting to see what else Nan might disclose, waiting to see a certain reaction before choosing her next move, intentionally being quite vague in her most recent video so that she has plausible deniability should something surface later, etc) are really actually that narcissistic and calculating, and if anyone here was faced with being potentially humiliated in front of millions of people wouldn't be similarly pragmatic. I see a lot of people describing these damage control kind of tactics as quite cold and manipulative but it just seems pretty standard to me. Of all the damning things she has potentially done, I feel like her response to this is not only pretty standard but is the route most anyone would take to save themselves a lot of grief. But I'm also trying to make it clear that I am speaking only of her tactics here, not the reasons they are necessary aka Nan being involved in CP and worse.

It is pragmatic and most definitely a “PR move”, but the trouble lies in knowing how Chloe twists things into her favor and realizing that she is most definitely going to use all of this to her advantage regardless of her “pragmatic behavior” now. As others have mentioned, the timing of it seems calculated and it seems that way because we all know at this point that Chloe is very careful and very shrewd about her public image. Some disagree, but the fact is that Nan and Chloe were/are engaged and instead of saying anything about trying to get Nan help or that this is sometimes a thing with CSA survivors and that it’s something she is going to try to help her fiance face and overcome, she just gave a vague and generic statement about not supporting or condoning Nan’s actions. Nothing else. She’s a mental health advocate and she’s not really advocating much for someone who she plans on marrying if they’re still together. She could be planning on doing just that, we don’t know, it’s why this is all just speculation.

The timing is just really weird, too, and this is the first and only time she has said anything about Nan’s fetish art and she does it after the tides started turning on Nan and other systems were disavowing Nan. Why wait? Sure, maybe Nan lied to her and she didn’t realize the extent of the lies until today/yesterday, but as her fucking fiance she showed zero support for Nan publicly except in the live stream and liking a few tweets. Maybe she was doing the “PR shit”, but even so, it just comes off pretty cold and calculated because this is supposed to be someone she wants to spend her life with and has done nothing for Nan publicly when Nan posted their support for Chloe everywhere during the Trisha shit. She doesn’t have to excuse Nan’s actions or wave them off, but damn, dude, not one single hint of support for their partner at all since all of this came to their attention?

And instead of doing anything supportive or helpful or any kind of mental health advocacy, she turns it around and makes it about her by doing the “I’m sorry I didn’t know :c” act in her video.

Out of curiosity-- and forgive me because I mostly read these threads with the sound off so I don't get the chance to listen to the videos-- I noticed something odd about these latest developments and I was hoping to get the confirmation of someone who's more versed on these two.

It sounds like both Chloe and Nan did their respective big Mea Culpa videos as 'themselves', or rather as 'Nin' and Nan respectively. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole reason of alters supposed to be that they split the emotional and mental load of day to day life? Being burned at the stake as a pedo and/or finding out your gf is a pedo are both INTENSELY high-stress situations, wouldn't this be when their protector alters should have the reins? I mean I know these two are larping, but if they want to come across as legit isn't this when they should almost be getting hijacked by the butch lesbian and the construction worker?

Like if absolutely nothing else this is what their alter ego characters are supposed to be there for, to take the fall for them. I know they both claim they can just choose whoever they want to be in charge like it's a character select screen, but even if that were a thing now is the one time you'd expect something like that to break down. They're trying to be all big-time youtuber and make a professional polished Statement like the other youtuber types... and by doing so they've totally forgotten they're supposed to have a major, debilitating mental condition.

Nan said it in one of their apology videos, it’s “system responsibility” and as the host, they have to address it or whatever.
 
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Damn, this went up like Exotic Joe’s alligator pen. Now that I’m finally caught up, was wondering if there has been any more input via Reddit from Nan’s ex? I apologize if missed it in the last 100 pages. It seemed that they still kept up with them enough to know that the CP had been outted so I kind of expected some response since the Piñata was taken down?

Also, congrats on one hell of a thread OP

EDIT: Can’t word

EDITx2: Went on the hunt for myself because I was looking for the last 12ish hours. I found this comment by Nan’s Ex who seems to be laying this squarely on Nin’s shoulders. These statements are after his previous post acknowledging how fucked up Nan’s art was. Anyways.

 
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Hey, I've been lurking on this thread for a long time now and have been absolutely astonished at the amount of work you've all put into this. I was skeptical of DissociaDID for a while and it's always seemed to me like Nan is batshit crazy (for lack of a better description), so I've been thoroughly enjoying this ride. I'm only hoping that this drama won't draw attention away from the malingering of Chloe- it seems like the perfect opportunity for her to just denounce Nan, play the victim card, and get off without any blame.

I find it interesting how Chloe's cult like fans are so quick to denounce Nan only after Chloe made her video.
 
Damn, this went up like Exotic Joe’s alligator pen. Now that I’m finally caught up, was wondering if there has been any more input via Reddit from Nan’s ex? I apologize if missed it in the last 100 pages. It seemed that they still kept up with them enough to know that the CP had been outted so I kind of expected some response since the Piñata was taken down?

Also, congrats on one hell of a thread OP

EDIT: Can’t word

There was a post from him a couple days ago on the DissociaDID Reddit, there's a screenshot of it somewhere around here.
 
Hey, I've been lurking on this thread for a long time now and have been absolutely astonished at the amount of work you've all put into this. I was skeptical of DissociaDID for a while and it's always seemed to me like Nan is batshit crazy (for lack of a better description), so I've been thoroughly enjoying this ride. I'm only hoping that this drama won't draw attention away from the malingering of Chloe- it seems like the perfect opportunity for her to just denounce Nan, play the victim card, and get off without any blame.

I find it interesting how Chloe's cult like fans are so quick to denounce Nan only after Chloe made her video.
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Knowing Chloe there's a chance she'll m ilk the Nan issue for all it's worth, likely to get herself off the hook and make people forget that she herself is a faker who has obviously been playing into Nan's fetishes. I doubt she'll actually ever leave Nan, either, so I bet we're in for some sort of grand raising from the dead once they think it's blown over.
 
I dunno, between the vid and the comment she left on Instagram and whatnot combined with all the positivity she's getting for distancing from Nan, I don't see Chloe staying with what has become a pariah. More than likely Chloe will or has already groomed a replacement. She's not lacking for thirsty mentally ill young females at any rate.
 
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