Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[CapeKnight]

Stylistic choices that don't appeal to other people is just masturbation. When I see something I don't like, and then a CG stream shoves it in my face and tells me how it's acshully amazing, comes off as condescending, whether they mean to or not.

They keep calling themselves hot dog vendors proudly. I don't want fish sauce on my hot dogs. Give me what I've told you I like over and over again. You want to get creative with a hot dog, keep it to yourself.

Liam Grey needs to take note. His "manga" can go suck a dick. The amount of times he's shilled it as "probably the best comic of 2020" whilst praying it doesn't fail so he doesn't hang himself got me wishing he never opened his mouth. Like mate, I'm not gonna go and wish death upon you for making a badly crammed concept into a manga that's obviously a ripoff, but you're a grownass man. You act like you're one on a stream, but can't even fucking manage it. His passive-aggressive weak attitude makes me want to shake him and tell him to stop taking up space in the indie scene and go back to his regular work.

Honestly, too much fucking people come out of the woodwork with their "I've had this idea for 20 years" bullshit. Mate, I'm just gonna be honest, I've heard it from countless people about how long they waited on their shit. I used to work in Entertainment, and it's bullshit to think you'd even remember the spark of inspiration for an idea for 20 years, let alone a few months if you've been busy for years trying to get by. If you had the idea, you'd have pursued it. Doesn't fucking matter if you don't got the confidence, blaze through with ignorance then, you might discover a way to get it done that no one else has. I look at the lineups for their books, and I'm just like "none of these guys are innovating ANYTHING".

It'd be a fucking different story if you worked on it in the 20 years you had it. The fact that some of these guys came so late into their game and just got started is pure wishful thinking. You didn't train or learn any of these skills or invest in yourself to attain them, don't peddle this "hopeful artist" narrative. The game's always changing, you either have an interest on how culture shifted or you don't, which means you're not caught up with the times so no one wants to read a story you thought of when you were fucking 18 and immature as fuck.

 

[Comicsgeist]

You want to get creative with a hot dog, keep it to yourself.

Jeez, try a little kimchi on your hot dog once in a while, who knows, you might like it! There's nothing worse for an industry then being bland. If Narwhale can find an audience for his book, good for him.
Wart the Wizard however is Sonichu levels of bad. That's not a stylistic choice, that's just incompetence.

 

[Analog Devolved]

I read Narwahl's Earthbound. It was a hot mess. It was in desperate need of a real editor and he had two credited on the book.

You can call it 'stylistic choice' but if you can't tell what the panel is supposed to be a picture of, you've taken a wrong turn.
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These pages are an even better example of what "shit" is. Its almost like these clowns have never read a comic in their life. Comicsgate being a banner under which any sychophant can get their shit funded is why we see splintering today.

If you look at WCs book "vestige" the spot UV on the cover is a sign of excellent quality. Now compare that to the Bratz Vampirella cover and you have a problem. One of these things is not like the other.
How a Deviantart tier artist got ahold of a license of a well recognized character is beyond me. Anna criticizes a lot of art so to anyone white knighting her awful vampiriella I say "what's good for the goose"
Watching the likes of Cecil and Malin throw themselves into the tardfest like lambs to slaughter over a garbage cover is hilarious.
Narwhals work is horrendous and should never have seen print. I did not read BFB but I've seen OA pages and can tell instantly they were professionally illustrated and inked. I have seen finished pages and can tell they were professionally colored.
CG "quality" is in the toilet and purity testing didn't change that. Something like wort the wizard is so bad looking that no company on earth would take it seriously.
Comicsgate is a fucking joke and these guys like Malin who have staked their careers on this particular group of paypigs are caught between a rock and a hard place. Either they admit it's shit and get into a tard slap fight or they mindlessly support it, look like tards, and end up laughingstocks and still get in slapfights with people who refuse to eat the shit.

 

[Newman's Own]

How a Deviantart tier artist got ahold of a license of a well recognized character is beyond me.

That's easy.

Ethan Van Sciver used his pull with Dynamite to score gigs for Art and Anna (and some other goof I think I forgot)

Frog has remained silent about Anna's shit cover because he doesn't want to strain his relationship with his homoerotic SJW tard squad but he's the one who made it happen.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

That's easy.

Ethan Van Sciver used his pull with Dynamite to score gigs for Art and Anna (and some other goof I think I forgot)

Frog has remained silent about Anna's shit cover because he doesn't want to strain his relationship with his homoerotic SJW tard squad but he's the one who made it happen.

He did say he's play with their actions. So he's probably okay with wc picking on Anna.

 

[Newman's Own]

He did say he's play with their actions. So he's probably okay with wc picking on Anna.

Ethan has to say something but he's trying to minimize his interaction with the Anna situation.

If he backs Anna he "turned against" WC.

If he backs WC he "turned on" the Phantom Fucksticks. And if it gets out that Ethan made the Bratpirella possible that would be a loss to.

Expect Frog to avoid the subject as much as humanly possible.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Ethan has to say something but he's trying to minimize his interaction with the Anna situation.

If he backs Anna he "turned against" WC.

If he backs WC he "turned on" the Phantom Fucksticks. And if it gets out that Ethan made the Bratpirella possible that would be a loss to.

Expect Frog to avoid the subject as much as humanly possible.

Well this is his falut for trying to groom ana into a comic artist when she's not ready by any means, she's good for commissions and fanart, but actual comics? She needs some training and endorsing a fan club who is hellbent on gatekeeping, its like being a mediator between a hellbent empire and a small colony.

 

[Analog Devolved]

Ethan has to say something but he's trying to minimize his interaction with the Anna situation.

If he backs Anna he "turned against" WC.

If he backs WC he "turned on" the Phantom Fucksticks. And if it gets out that Ethan made the Bratpirella possible that would be a loss to.

Expect Frog to avoid the subject as much as humanly possible.

After seeing the cover can you blame him? If he pulled strings at Dynamite or showed Anna how to license Vampirella and this Bratz cover is the result would you want to claim responsibility for that?
"Its just a cover bro" yes, an extremely bad cover that the tard brigade has fallen on their own pitchforks to defend. I don't recall Malin defending other awful looking art in the past. This idea that if you align with CG whatever you produce gets full support from the mob is the wholesale of false hopes and dreams.
Would it be cool to have a comic? Sure. But what fucking good is it if it looks worse than Sonichu. My advice to Anna at this point would be to "zap to the extreme" because going full retard is better than only pretending to be retarded.

 

[CapeKnight]

This is why, from the start, I kept saying NONE of these guys should ever utter the word integrity. Fuckin hell mate, no one in these situations got a backbone or what? They depleted all their spinal fluid tard cumming over each other's head in a bukkakefest of ego circle jerks? Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[Yosha]

Ethan has to say something but he's trying to minimize his interaction with the Anna situation.

If he backs Anna he "turned against" WC.

If he backs WC he "turned on" the Phantom Fucksticks. And if it gets out that Ethan made the Bratpirella possible that would be a loss to.

Expect Frog to avoid the subject as much as humanly possible.

I also dont expect him to promote her on Youtube, cause we all know WC will cry about it for years. On the other hand, Anna did promote Cyberfrog on Youtube and on twitter, but i guess WC was blind back then and they think she never mentioned anyone from CG.

 

[Newman's Own]

Anna's cover is hot garbage. It's Wart the Wizard all over again with somewhat better art but nothing that warrants promotion as "quality". ( a shit attempt at Bruce Timm "homage" )

WarCampaign is right about Malin, Cecil and Ethan (tho they won't name Ethan cause they're hypocrites)

The funny thing is that WarCuntpain white knighted even harder for Wart which was even worse.

Their attacks on Malin are correct too if hypocritical since they won't hold Caesar Salad Tosser to the same standard.

Malin is right about WarCampaign.

What a bunch of hypocritical losers, everyone of them.

It's a joy watching them self destruct exactly as predicted.

Bless these little retards.

 

[KingofNothing]

Wait a sec, when did EVS say he got Anna the cover deal? I thought he said Dynamite approached her because she had a big youtube channel(bigger than his, and therefore bigger than any CG channel )

 

[Comicsgeist]

Wait a sec, when did EVS say he got Anna the cover deal? I thought he said Dynamite approached her because she had a big youtube channel(bigger than his, and therefore bigger than any CG channel )

In fact they approached her four times before she relented and agreed to do a cover. I'd say Dynamite are reaching out to anybody with an audience associated with comicsgate because they think it could be a tidy little cash cow for them.
The A-loggers are so consumed wih Ethan Derangement Syndrome that I'm surprised they haven't tried to pin Covid-19 on him yet.

 

[Newman's Own]

Wait a sec, when did EVS say he got Anna the cover deal? I thought he said Dynamite approached her because she had a big youtube channel(bigger than his, and therefore bigger than any CG channel )

Someone on Twitter mentioned the other day that she admitted it on stream with Liam.

I took them at their word because there was no way I'd listen to an entire shit for brains stream to verify.

Honestly, how else was she going to get the offer?

There are bigger Tubers out there not getting the nod from Dynamite but they don't do a weekly show with Ethan to stroke his ego.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Ethan has to say something but he's trying to minimize his interaction with the Anna situation.

If he backs Anna he "turned against" WC.

If he backs WC he "turned on" the Phantom Fucksticks. And if it gets out that Ethan made the Bratpirella possible that would be a loss to.

Expect Frog to avoid the subject as much as humanly possible.

I expect him to turn this all around and somehow blame it all on Doug.

"It was Doug who got Anna the Dynamite deal, then the dirtworm created Warcampaign sock puppets to harass Anna for the deal, Doug then offered Rob a piece of original art to insult Jon and finally he backed Xenotype at the highest tier so Liam Gray would further the drama by hosting everyone."

This is why, from the start, I kept saying NONE of these guys should ever utter the word integrity. Fuckin hell mate, no one in these situations got a backbone or what? They depleted all their spinal fluid tard cumming over each other's head in a bukkakefest of ego circle jerks? Jesus fucking Christ.

Integrity is the enemy of Comicsgate.

How many CG books honestly look like fucking trash? Wart the Wizard, TUGs Little Umbrella Book, Earthbound by Narwhal and don't forget Micah Curtis's piece of shit book Englewood. There are just to many examples of CG nepotism poisoning any credible claim of meritocracy, if CG didn't exist then none of these books would.

CG can bitch about Preston Poulter all day long, but his books actually look like comicbooks. They can cry rivers of Dougs betrayal, but his books actually look like comicbooks. Fuck even Jon Del Arroz new Robo-Toad parody has better art than most smaller CG creators and his a professional writer also.

I think there will be a breaking point once enough people have backed enough terrible books, they'll start to be disillusioned by CG and start turning on the creators and promoters. Buyer's remorse does exist and after enough shit books it will hit the paypigs hard.

 

[Yosha]

Integrity is the enemy of Comicsgate.

How many CG books honestly look like fucking trash? Wart the Wizard, TUGs Little Umbrella Book, Earthbound by Narwhal and don't forget Micah Curtis's piece of shit book Englewood. There are just to many examples of CG nepotism poisoning any credible claim of meritocracy, if CG didn't exist then none of these books would.

CG can bitch about Preston Poulter all day long, but his books actually look like comicbooks. They can cry rivers of Dougs betrayal, but his books actually look like comicbooks. Fuck even Jon Del Arroz new Robo-Toad parody has better art than most smaller CG creators and his a professional writer also.

I think there will be a breaking point once enough people have backed enough terrible books, they'll start to be disillusioned by CG and start turning on the creators and promoters. Buyer's remorse does exist and after enough shit books it will hit the paypigs hard.

Agree. Why are the mainstream comics going to shit? Cause of their stupid stories and characters. Did CG make any great characters or a great story in the last 2+ years? Nope. The only character out of CG that most people know is Cyberfrog (he's from the 90's btw). And even tho the art in that comic is great, the story is just meh. I'd say the same for Jawbreakers, which for me has an even worse story. I know there will be sequels to this books, but are people really gonna wait 5 year for 4 comic books. (if you backed Red Rooster you will have to wait 5 years for just 1 comic). In that span you can get 15 volumes of manga with over 3000 pages and some of them have amazing stories and art.

oh, and those 15 volumes will cost you a total of 120$.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Although the main stream sucks but at least they release books every week/month. At this point cg should be making 2 or 3 books a year if cg is "growing" and the sequels should be making twice not lose 75% of profit.

 

[Mister Dongs]

It's the same behavior that kickvic and The Milkshake girls participate in. I thought cg was doomed to fail when comic book creators from dc/marvel took over the YouTube critic sphere from zack, Ernest, cumins, nerkish and etc. Like how TNA and WCW went downhill because a veteran took over a new company of great up and comers and the Veterans in semi retirement take over and made a clique to put each other over.

I hate to break it to you, but a movement consisting of nerds recording themselves yelling at comic books from their cars and sometimes punching and stabbing them wasn't ever going to result in the glorious triumph that you felt EVS, Malin, Miller and the like stole from these mighty worthies. Marvel and DC heard their voices, loud and clear, and decisively replied by aggressively dismissing their complaints and blocked all communication on available platforms using coordinated blockchains. That effectively ended the debate. Nothing is stopping any of the "great up and comers" from continuing their work even now, except for the inconvenience of the direct market has collapsed and mainstream publishers are no longer paying many creators.

WC is not wrong when they accuse Cecil and Malin of "cronyism", it's just unstated that WC's objections are based on cronyism dedicated towards different people. Cecil is proud to proclaim that his platforming policy is "i promote my friends". Malin also defends this as "platform rights", though Malin has actually promoted many smaller creators with his program Comicsgate Presents. But it's not Cecil or Malin's money going into these crowdfunds; it's the audience's money. What we're seeing now is what happens when the customer is presented a conflict of loyalties - namely, loyalty to Cecil vs loyalty to Ro, who Anna is an enemy of for entirely personal reasons.

This would all be resolved by the simple upholding of any actual principles or morals, but the people that championed those have been run out of Comicsgate a long time ago, and ironically were run out with the support of Cecil and Malin. And in the absence of any guiding principles to get people to cooperate, personal loyalty is king. To the point where Jon Malin will publicly meltdown for two hours over someone liking a tweet critical of him. There is no conflict of ideals or values here, merely the self-contradictions inherent in a system of unabashed cronyism and nepotism expressing themselves.

Frog, to his credit, goes out of his way to try and build up older comic book professionals who struggle to cultivate an audience of their own like Art Thibert or Adam Post (the best example of this was Smiller) when he could just as easily put on more entertaining people with large platforms (HeelVsBabyface, Yellowflash, That Star Wars Girl, Adam Friended) for the purpose of drawing maximum eyeballs to his channel.

 

[Newman's Own]

I hate to break it to you, but a movement consisting of nerds recording themselves yelling at comic books from their cars and sometimes punching and stabbing them wasn't ever going to result in the glorious triumph that you felt EVS, Malin, Miller and the like stole from these mighty worthies. Marvel and DC heard their voices, loud and clear, and decisively replied by aggressively dismissing their complaints and blocked all communication on available platforms using coordinated blockchains. That effectively ended the debate. Nothing is stopping any of the "great up and comers" from continuing their work even now, except for the inconvenience of the direct market has collapsed and mainstream publishers are no longer paying many creators.

WC is not wrong when they accuse Cecil and Malin of "cronyism", it's just unstated that WC's objections are based on cronyism dedicated towards different people. Cecil is proud to proclaim that his platforming policy is "i promote my friends". Malin also defends this as "platform rights", though Malin has actually promoted many smaller creators with his program Comicsgate Presents. But it's not Cecil or Malin's money going into these crowdfunds; it's the audience's money. What we're seeing now is what happens when the customer is presented a conflict of loyalties - namely, loyalty to Cecil vs loyalty to Ro, who Anna is an enemy of for entirely personal reasons.

This would all be resolved by the simple upholding of any actual principles or morals, but the people that championed those have been run out of Comicsgate a long time ago, and ironically were run out with the support of Cecil and Malin. And in the absence of any guiding principles to get people to cooperate, personal loyalty is king. To the point where Jon Malin will publicly meltdown for two hours over someone liking a tweet critical of him. There is no conflict of ideals or values here, merely the self-contradictions inherent in a system of unabashed cronyism and nepotism expressing themselves.

Frog, to his credit, goes out of his way to try and build up older comic book professionals who struggle to cultivate an audience of their own like Art Thibert or Adam Post (the best example of this was Smiller) when he could just as easily put on more entertaining people with large platforms (HeelVsBabyface, Yellowflash, That Star Wars Girl, Adam Friended) for the purpose of drawing maximum eyeballs to his channel.

I agree with all that.

Except crediting Ethan. Ethan platforms old pros to give HIS movement legitimacy and for no other reason. He needs other competent comics people around him or the perception of his club would quickly degrade to thoughts of a middle aged has been and his wannabe fan club.

Ethan courted Miller and then asked him to bring in Doug because they had the shine of legitimacy.

He resented them because in many ways they were better than him at comics. Mike's a better draftsman and writer. Tennaple's a better writer and his creativity has provided him a steady stream of video game, movie and TV deals for decades.

Malin's easier to keep around. His art is mediocre enough to be unthreatening and his writing is a joke. Also for all his bluster whenever Ethan calls him to heel Malin drops into simp mode immediately.

Mike, Doug, Nerkish and Tim all pushed back.

To a narcissist that probably looks like betrayal.

I expect WC is looking at how they can make Malin stand up for himself with Ethan. That's how they got rid of the others.

The rest of Ethan's current stable seem sufficiently docile and submissive that he's unlikely to find reason to boot their bitch asses. For now.

 

[Analog Devolved]

I agree with all that.

Except crediting Ethan. Ethan platforms old pros to give HIS movement legitimacy and for no other reason. He needs other competent comics people around him or the perception of his club would quickly degrade to thoughts of a middle aged has been and his wannabe fan club.

Ethan courted Miller and then asked him to bring in Doug because they had the shine of legitimacy.

He resented them because in many ways they were better than him at comics. Mike's a better draftsman and writer. Tennaple's a better writer and his creativity has provided him a steady stream of video game, movie and TV deals for decades.

Malin's easier to keep around. His art is mediocre enough to be unthreatening and his writing is a joke. Also for all his bluster whenever Ethan calls him to heel Malin drops into simp mode immediately.

Mike, Doug, Nerkish and Tim all pushed back.

To a narcissist that probably looks like betrayal.

I expect WC is looking at how they can make Malin stand up for himself with Ethan. That's how they got rid of the others.

The rest of Ethan's current stable seem sufficiently docile and submissive that he's unlikely to find reason to boot their bitch asses. For now.

Ethan is always on the hunt for another purse-puppy. Right now he has Malin, Cecil and Anna as faithful lapdogs but there's no telling how long he can keep them docile. Feeding them sweet Dynamite IP might calm the yapping for now but it's only a matter of time before the dogs tied up in the yard get jealous and try to get back in the CG trap house.