Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Learnt today most of the clients I work with will not get a stimulus check nor their families. If someone is disabled and claimed depedent by the parent that person is not entitled money which okay makes sense. Because they are over 17 though the guardian is not entitled the 500 dollars for having a dependent either. So no money at all goes out for the welfare of that client.
 
Not sure if this was posted but it looks like China tried to play the twitter game Americans usually play when asked about the virus


Have you seen the people spouting their shit on Twitter? It's some of the lowest-tier trash that you'll ever see.

If they were on this autistic site, they'd be getting dumb rated like they were Drain Todger.
 
How do people feel about reopening?
It makes sense in areas where there has been minimal outbreak and low likelihood of one. Otherwise, there needs to be a triage of sorts where hot-spots continue to have a lock-down, the periphery has slightly looser restrictions, and the areas without problems can ease up even further.

Edit to Add: In today's (15-Apr) radio speech, Detroit's Mayor Duggan talked about wanting to get more people tested in an effort to treat those who need it and see what businesses can gradually be allowed to reopen. Given the Governor's wish at one point recently to keep us under lock-down through June, it's refreshing to see Detroit's mayor wanting to ease restrictions but in a way that makes most sense and minimizes the chance of a repeat outbreak.

I'm of the belief that economic devastation will kill more people than this virus could.
Even if restrictions were to magically end tomorrow, there's no way to undo the economic imapact and the disruption of education at all levels ranging from pre-school to college/university. The longer restrictions drag out, the worse the impact.

. Because they are over 17 though the guardian is not entitled the 500 dollars for having a dependent either.
This came up on another forum. My best guess is that the Trumpbux bill decided to use the same criteria the IRS uses to determine eligibility for the child tax credit: they have to be age 16 or under.
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Have you seen the people spouting their shit on Twitter? It's some of the lowest-tier trash that you'll ever see.

If they were on this autistic site, they'd be getting dumb rated like they were Drain Todger.
Look at the Amnesty International tweet calling it the China Virus is racist, they were BTFO with every reply a variation of lol no ofc it's the chink virus, I bet it's still going if the tweet is still up

I don't think the CCP and their shills understand how much they're hated right now and since they can't send out thugs all over the world to threaten people they're just going to keep doing exceptional moves
 
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Spain. Indeed the term "mileurista" literallt translated as "person who makes thousand euros a month" is used to refer to the middle class all over the country. I heard about how rent and food costs vary by location but if 1000 is considered poverty line then living costs in america must be fucking abusive.

People underestimate just how wealthy America is. What we consider poverty, even abject poverty, is often wealthy compared to much of the world. Even as people say they're 'barely scraping by' and are legitimately living paycheck-to-paycheck, they're living in a building with central heating and air conditioning, with a new or recently new car, watching free cable channels on their 72 inch 4k smart TV. (like Pluto TV, which is really just 'basic cable tv subscription with a handful of novelty channels tacked on' but free) - not throwing shade at people who consider themselves poor, but the standard of living in the US is suitably high enough that the cost of living is also high.
 
People underestimate just how wealthy America is. What we consider poverty, even abject poverty, is often wealthy compared to much of the world. Even as people say they're 'barely scraping by' and are legitimately living paycheck-to-paycheck, they're living in a building with central heating and air conditioning, with a new or recently new car, watching free cable channels on their 72 inch 4k smart TV. (like Pluto TV, which is really just 'basic cable tv subscription with a handful of novelty channels tacked on' but free) - not throwing shade at people who consider themselves poor, but the standard of living in the US is suitably high enough that the cost of living is also high.
Not only that, but burgers are treated as first class customers with big bargains. In burgerland, you can get easily get the newest release mid-range gaming laptop at a cheap price of let's say 600 USD. Compared to that, flipland are treated like plebs who will get the same model laptop 6-10 months after, and with a additional 100-200 USD added to the original price.
 
Look at the Amnesty International tweet calling it the China Virus is racist, they were BTFO with every reply a variation of lol no ofc it's the chink virus, I bet it's still going if the tweet is still up

I don't think the CCP and their shills understand how much they're hated right now and since they can't send out thugs all over the world to threaten people they're just going to keep doing exceptional moves

It is.
 
There's also other factors. What we demand as "adequate living conditions" today would make us kings in the 1970s.
For example, a 1973 F-100 would cost you $2889, $16,794 after inflation. This is for a bone stock F-100 with a 4 speed manual, a 300CU I6 engine, and a bench seat. Now, if you wanted an automatic, air conditioning, cruise control and the 5.8L V8, you were looking at a cool $3400 minimum, or $19,765 today.

Compare this to a bone stock base model F-150 today. They cost $29,345 for the same config (single cab long bed), and a ford ranger is $4000 cheaper then that. But on the modern one, AC comes standard, Cruise is int he 101A package included with the quoted price. It makes 290HP, compared to 120HP for the 300 I6, or 220 for the 5.8L (corrected for net horsepower and not the gross BS numbers used back then). And it gets nearly 3x the real world fuel mileage, trucks back then got 8-9 MPG, 11 on the highway at 55 MPH. Modern F-150s on the highway push 26 MPG in base trims. And you get crumple zones and airbags,in the 1973 truck if you crash at high speed you just straight up died, the modern truck youll be bruised. And the new truck is going to be a HELL of a lot more reliable then a 70's heap was. And you get seats that actually fit your body and are adjustable, and bluetooth integration, and a decent speaker system, and power door locks and powered windows and a smooth quiet ride and higher towing and payload capacities.

And dont forget rust. Cars in the 70 lasted 3, charitably 4 years in the rust belt. Modern vehicles last 25+. You're gonna get a lot mroe mileage out of a modern vehicle and pay far less int he long run. Ask any non-car people how long things lasted back then (car guys will tell you things back then lasted forever, they are delusional).

Another example: apartments, and living in general. In the 70s, if you dint hit it big right out of the gate, you lived in a literal poor house, sharing a room with someone else, until you got the cash together along with a roomate to get an apartment. Living by yourself in a 1 bedroom at 18 was a pipe dream for most. Sure, there were many who bought a house at 18 and got married, but here's the thing, they were LOADED IN DEBT UP TO THE EYEBALLS to do it. Many think the boomers had it easy, but the vast majority still lived paycheck to paycheck just like many do today. The real difference is that jobs were more stable and widely available at the time. You;d be surprised, if you sat many successful boomers down, how many struggled with bills when they were young.

They didnt eat out every day. There was no delivery. They bought cheap food in bulk, mass prepared it, and stored much of it. Things like potatoes, salted meat, baking their own bread, ece. They bought fruit cheap when it was in season (because in the 70s you couldnt just go into a walmart in February and buy fresh apples and pears) and canned it, filling their pantrys and basements with canned food that they ate the rest of the year. You had your own garden and tended to it for your vegetables. You froze bread and used powdered tard cum unless you could afford the luxury of buying fresh tard cum every week. Sure, only one person worked to maintain the household, but the wife would work her ass off too to make sure food was on the table. And those portions of food were TINY compared to todays. The lifestyle of grocery shopping every week evolved in the 90s.

The less well off didnt have TVs. They had old radios they sat around and listened to. They didnt have a mobile phone, and calling outside the county ran up massive charges. All bill paying and paperwork was done by hand. And there was no direct deposit. You picked up your check and physically cashed it at the bank every 2 weeks. You didnt have AC unless you were wealthy,a nd your workplace, which typically involved a lot of physical labor, didnt have AC either, and neither did your vehicles unless you were DAMN wealthy. Clothes were expensive and you took DAMN good care of them because having a closet full of clothes was for the 1%. And for families, the level of toys and possessions children get today is mind boggling. A big house back then was a 1500sq foot place, today thats a starter home.

It's true that american purchasing power has waned and stalled for decades, and that the economy has repeatedly shit the bed, but it is equally true that today we are spoiled rotten. What we expect today would have made us the 1% back in the mid 70s, with out mobile supercomputers and air conditioned, super safe, fuel efficient cars that would outrun a 70s mustang without breaking a sweat, being able to call anyone anywhere in the world at the touch of a button, the worlds information at your fingers, able to pick up a ready to eat meal for the cost of an hours minimum wage work, oh yeah and the wonderful modern medical system. Diabetes was debilitating back then, smallpox and measles were still around, a clogged artery meant a heat attack, your joints going bad meant a lifetime of severe pain, and mental issues? Go get thrown into a mental asylum and raped and tortured if you cant handle it on your own. Cancer was usually only found late stage, and almost guaranteed death sentence, same with HIV.

If you want to live like its the 1970s, canning food and driving cheap ass shitboxes, using a dumb phone with no home internet, using no modern medicine and hoping you dont keel over dead, you can easily make it with shit pay and low hours, and still live better then someone poor in the 70s. But nobody wants to live that way anymore, because its horribly inconvenient and a LOT of work.
The poor of today live a hell of a lot better then the poor did in the 70s, and the poor have luxuries today that the middle class didnt have then, things like color TV and AC everywhere (and mobile internet), if my grandma is to be believed.

Also, Spain's economy has long been fucked.


Except for a brief time between january 2005 and may 2008, span has had over 10% unemployment since 1986. That is the WORST the 2008 crisis every brought us to in the US. We hit 10% in october 2009, at our peak. Spain at the time had 18.6%, and it wouldnt peak until february of 2013 at 26.3%! It's unemployment numbers follow right around the now bankrupt Greece. When you have constant near depression levels of unemployment for decades, the cost of living is going to be severely depressed.

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In 1969 only 30% of people had dryers, 20% of people had aircons, and 25% of people had color TV.
 
Have you seen the people spouting their shit on Twitter? It's some of the lowest-tier trash that you'll ever see.

If they were on this autistic site, they'd be getting dumb rated like they were Drain Todger.
It's the most broken Engrish I've seen in the place it's hilarious.
What more hilarious are the retards buying it, and also the ones buying it to OWN BLURMPFHG
 
COVID-19 isn't airborne. The transmission vector is in saliva that is coughed out or exhaled in droplets but they're only able to travel about six feet, hence the social distancing. It's not as though they can go through airducts, etc.
Yeah, this sounds like rampant speculation, and the first-hand experiences I've had with the virus in no way suggest this is the case.
SARS was strongly suspected to be airbourne in practice. The Amoy gardens outbreak spread via plumbing but also by a light well in the building. There are also indications it spread to nearby buildings as well.
Now whether that is the predominant method of spread is another matter. Day to day, droplets are probably the number one route. So it’s a bit pedantic to say it’s airbourne but I would stand by it. The textbook definitions of a divide between airbourne and droplet are not really reflective of how things can work. Remember that you can aerosolise almost anything if you get the conditions right. As an extreme example, I think they managed to get an aerosolised Ebola Route going in the states (good old intellectual curiosity ...) but it’d be intellectually dishonest to say Ebola was airbourne in the real world because that’s not how it’s spreading.
But respiratory viruses - there’s not a hard and fast distinction between droplets and aerosols. I maintain that SARS was capable of being airbourne. That may not have been it’s primary mode of spread but it’s possible.

Everyone please go and watch this video right now:




It's basically about Dr. Luciano Gattinoni's findings on the two distinct groups of patients (Type L and Type H)

Ok, the blood angle is very interesting, but I want to see proof of people being admitted walking and talking with a saturation of 45%.
Also who is this guy, has it been proven he is who he says he is. Why is he wearing scrubs in his kitchen?
That pair of refrigerators cost $20,000, by the way.
Now I’m all for capitalism and it’s your god given right to own a freezer that costs more than my car, but if you’re stood in front of them talking on video during a pandemic where people are losing their jobs, you’re an absolute fucking idiot.
The person who wrote these things is the dumbest motherfucker on Earth. Been proven decades ago that viruses cause disease
People are dumb. I had a professor smugly tell me that viruses don’t cause cancer even back in the 1990s.
In 1969 only 30% of people had dryers, 20% of people had aircons, and 25% of people had color TV.
I can tell you that in the UK, almost no one had a dryer, or air con, and plenty of people had a black and white telly And no central heating even in the 80s. Dryers are more common now but air con isn’t widespread in Europe generally. Maybe the very hot bits in the south but not here
 
I dont think "paycheck to paycheck" is a good indicator of poverty of wealth.

There are people with triple-digit yearly income who live paycheck to paycheck just because their expenses rival their income.

People having savings is the greatest indicator of wealth. High wage means little if you have an insanely high cost of living and no social services.
 
Some liberal arts student drew this form of pure cringe
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Why is Shaniqua pointing at North and South America? China is on the other side of the globe.

If anything, North America is the part of the globe that cares the MOST about the environment. If (Single) Mother Nature wants to aim viruses at the places that hurt her the most, she should aim them at cities where open air sewers and brown smog are the norm.
 
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