I don't think there's anything wrong with actually trying to destigmatize mental illness and spreading awareness. (With the caveat that you know what you're talking about and [
This is one of the most bothersome issues in regards to her channel. I can't wrap my mind around the want to wallow in things that have hurt you. I find her channel to be more about proving and validating that she has been traumatized rather than actually helping anyone.
Helping people and making progress doesn’t bring in views. ‘Switching’ on camera and wheeling out her ‘alters’ to perform for her patrons brings in views. And money.
P.T. Barnum is likely spinning in his grave, burning with jealous rage that he didn’t think of it first.
If there's anything we've learned from this saga, it's that information is widely available and nobody cares unless there's some clickbait title.
The dsm is only hundred bucks, and countless college students have put the PDF online. There are resources, and a plethora of ways to obtain them.
Another thing we learned, is anyone can speak this information and it's often listened to, harmful or not. The most dangerous aspect being who learns the misinformation. Children... legitimate children are breaking their psyche and becoming mentally deranged because they have ideas of DID, thinking they have it. They're giving themselves identity crisis, and making themselves susceptible to future mental health problems.
I've seen it too many times.
Theres another person I know on youtube that claims to have an alter-ego of Edward Nigma from that live action batman tv show that came out a while back. There's a video of her going to an escape-room in character and spending the entire time going 'ah yes... mmm... intriguing'. It's very hard to watch
listen,,, i'm feelin' super switchy...... if another person comes f-forward and power levels,,., my persecutor herobrine might come out!!!!! >-< and he might burn off a finger!!!!!!
It took me a post or two to figure it out, but lurkers, if you post, contribute something. Don't post your life story or your diagnosis or your family's diagnosis. I get you guys want to 'prove your relevance', but nobody is relevant here. Literally no one.
Seriously, somebody's 'evil alter' burned off their finger. This further highlights just how fucking dangerous it is for vulnerable people to buy into the idea that they are plural and have people in their head who want to hurt them. They may hurt themselves just to feel valid or prove themselves to others. The scariest thing is that this chick talked about how people need to consider the possibilities of an alter hurting them if they 'decide to become plural'.
Of course it doesn't. Getting better means your don't have your inner mansion or Steven Universe OCs to chat with when their friends get fucking annoyed with them. You can't get attention or money from your tween audience!
Insanity. She's hardly old enough for any of this anyway. Isn't she 23? Didn't Tupac die in 1996..basic math. Who the fuck remembers when they were 1 year old? Not me.
Gregory the middle-aged balding man is who shot Tupac. He is hiding in Chloe's head to evade the police. She claims not to know who Tupac is to throw them off the scent...
(Well, it makes as much sense as any of her and her community's bollocks...)
Proof that Nan’s Instagram isn’t deleted and only deactivated. When I click on the “1 other,” it only shows Chloe’s account, but the 1 other is clearly Nan based on who I follow
If there's anything we've learned from this saga, it's that information is widely available and nobody cares unless there's some clickbait title.
The dsm is only hundred bucks, and countless college students have put the PDF online. There are resources, and a plethora of ways to obtain them.
Another thing we learned, is anyone can speak this information and it's often listened to, harmful or not. The most dangerous aspect being who learns the misinformation. Children... legitimate children are breaking their psyche and becoming mentally deranged because they have ideas of DID, thinking they have it. They're giving themselves identity crisis, and making themselves susceptible to future mental health problems.
I've seen it too many times.
i was thinking more like a hypnosis one. the kids think they haves something, and they ruminate on it, and get it. like delusional parasitism, only this time you have "mind-parasites" of delusions
The scariest thing is that this chick talked about how people need to consider the possibilities of an alter hurting them if they 'decide to become plural'.
Ah yes, the concept of 'endogenic' systems. Systems that can be formed without trauma. That's a whole other headfuck in the DID community; actual roleplayers not even bothering to claim they have fake trauma and claiming instead to have just...magically acquired a system. Some of them claim to have tulpas, others just insist it came out of nowhere and others create it themselves. It's honestly even more disgusting than the fake DID systems on social media; at least they're semi educated on the bullshit they're spouting.
As a newbie id like to start off by saying I AcTuALly HaVE a Mental disor.....lol jk jk.
Seriously though, this has been an intense ride. Props for all the digging guys! Holy shit!
I wouldn't say I am a "fan" of Chloes channel but have watch quite a lot of videos learning about DID since my grandmother had it. After going through all the info and time lines. I sincerely think she does have did. I think those parts of her that seem fake is her trying to come off as a professional but lack a lot of knowledge of social interacts. Trys too hard to be "im very messed up in the head but its cool cause I know how to deal!" Clearly not true at all. I think her trying to be "helpful" to others that have been trauma is a selfish mind set to convince her self everything is real. I could be completely wrong but that's where I stand as of now. Will continue to follow.
As far as Nan....fuck that twat. Mental disorder or not. That is a bad person. Born that way. Don't give a shit what anyone says. Dumb ass die hard fans. The moment I seen one of her videos I immediately though "nah, this person just isn't right" and never able to watch their videos without cringing.
Regardless, when I heard the rumors I didn't think them to be true. I only seen the not so bad ones. Untillllll I seen the time line. How do they still have supporters out there! Like what the fuck!!
However, especially what I have seen on reddit. You guys have done a great job convincing fans that this is true. I've seen a lot of fans who had originally defending nan to now telling everyone to come here to see the facts themselves. Which given the difference in communities, is kind of amazing. Even die hards are starting to question Chloe as well. Which is great! It is so unhealthy to be diehard fans of anyone. Especially the internet.
So thank you everyone who is involved.
This is all very important to share and also I enjoyed this roller-coaster ride. Hahaha.
I will simply point out that Chloe makes ungodly amounts of cash from her youtube alone(according to Social Blade, anything between 3k and 48k PER MONTH). Ungodly amounts of dough will make anyone be anything and say anything. People with real psychiatric problems, however, are usually uncapable of acting so coherently that they could run a Youtube channel this efficiently.
i was thinking more like a hypnosis one. the kids think they haves something, and they ruminate on it, and get it. like delusional parasitism, only this time you have "mind-parasites" of delusions
So, yes and no. The theory of structural dissociation claims that in order to get a dissociative disorder that includes alters, you need trauma from before the ages 7-9. {This is just a medical theory, it has evidence, but it's still considered a theory.}
That would be a form of psychosis, and mental trickery. Thus leading to Ganser's syndrome, which previously in the DSM 4 It was mentioned all over the place, but as a dissociative disorder in the forms of dissociating with your brain.
They removed the listing in the DSM5, but still mentioned it under the criteria of OSDD.
People with factitious disorders act this way because of an inner need to be seen as ill or injured -- not to achieve a clear benefit, such as financial gain. They are even willing to undergo painful or risky tests and operations in order to obtain the sympathy and special attention given to people who are truly ill. Factitious disorders are technically considered mental illnesses because they are associated with severe emotional difficulties.
Ah yes, the concept of 'endogenic' systems. Systems that can be formed without trauma. That's a whole other headfuck in the DID community; actual roleplayers not even bothering to claim they have fake trauma and claiming instead to have just...magically acquired a system. Some of them claim to have tulpas, others just insist it came out of nowhere and others create it themselves. It's honestly even more disgusting than the fake DID systems on social media; at least they're semi educated on the bullshit they're spouting.
At least they don't claim to have severe fucking trauma, but yeah, it's fucking insane. They believe their alters can enter other people's system, can get alters in another system pregnant, all sorts of absolutely insane shit.
The only thing she puts her finger down for is a CD player! Which is really the only thing that would validate having a privileged childhood out of everything on that entire list! It's the only thing that didn't happen or get invented when she was an infant. it's also the only thing you have to spend a lot of money on more than a damn Furby or a Bop It. The nerve!!
I did read through it and no one’s actually explained what she thinks her own trauma is, only that she’s faking it. I don’t believe she has DID because she doesn’t have the criteria for it, but what is she telling other people? I tried going through her videos and she doesn’t talk about it much if at all.
edit: it’s the one thing I haven’t been able to understand from reading this thread. What the fuck is this bitch’s trauma? She doesn’t stop talking about it yet I have no idea what it IS. I’ve been reading through this thread the past few days and still have no idea what her fake ass trauma story is.
-She wasn't bought a Bop It! as a child and as a result does not remember the shooting of Tupac (seriously)
-She alludes to religious or ritualistic abuse (despite her and her parents not remembering any such event)
-She claims to have been spanked as a child
-She claims to have been physically abused as a child (separate to a light spanking)
-She claims she was forced to binge eat by an abuser (most likely asked to finish her meal before leaving the table as a child)
-She claims to have knowledge of serious organised child abuse (she described it as grotesque and continued)
-She claims to have been burned despite having no scars (this was in one of her PTSD videos and she mentioned she could still feel the burning)
-She claims to have been raped or sexually assaulted after the age of 17 (not disputing that she was but that's too late for DID)
-She claims to have been traumatised by a suicide attempt in which she hung herself in the forest though a verified source has come forward and proved she just jumped in a lake and was laughing about it the next day
All of these stories aside from the rape after the age of seventeen can be disputed in some way. She claims to have no memory of what actually caused the abuse and there is so much evidence to suggest she had a happy childhood and still has a supportive set of parents. She does not meet the criteria for the kind of sustained abuse that results in DID. All of this is in her timeline linked at the top of the OP.
But, nooooo, Chloe had no ideeeeaaaaa and she made that sad video saying she didn’t support or condone Nan’s actiooooooons! She’s just an innocent victiiiiiiiiim, like Nan’s alteeeeers! They didn’t have anything to do with it eitheeeerrrrrr!
I wonder how fans are going to explain the moment in the Disney vlog where she talks about Mud Sky with Nan? She knew all about those creepy teenage characters.
What amuses me is the thought that Nan's protectors who are in her head every day and are supposed to protect her littles didn't do anything to intervene when Nan started drawing that shit. Easily explained away by the fact she's a bullshit malingerer but you know.
Ever wonder why 90% of the time it just so happens that these people's alters end up becoming attractive teenage boys who like to wear beanies? Let me know when one shows up and introduces Hans the 60yo German nuclear-scientist
My favourite is Chloe's alter Gregory, an indeterminate Asian man in his late forties who is balding and anorexic and doesn't like music. He has fronted only once. I wonder why.
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Okay this makes me more willing to believe the dip in the lake theory if she nearly froze to death and was missing for two hours. Pisses me off regarding allusions to hanging.
Also that pic of Nan and Chloe together is still on Chloe’s featured pictures. Either she’s trying to keep up a facade for her family and friends or they’re not actually broken up
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Ultimately, her swimming story wasn't appealing enough for her because jumping into a lake isn't a serious attempt to take your own life. If she kept hinting that she'd hung herself and drew Omega with abrasions around her neck and suggested that ropes and forests are triggers then it clearly paints the picture of someone sneaking off to die.
That's another point... how were people looking for her so quickly? If Chloe had sincerely tried to kill herself she wouldn't have been broadcasting that shit loudly and dramatically enough that police were out looking for her immediately.
I wonder how fans are going to explain the moment in the Disney vlog where she talks about Mud Sky with Nan? She knew all about those creepy teenage characters.
The Disney video is what absolutely sealed the deal for me. Anyone who watches that and still believes she didn't know and actively play into the fetishes is fucking retarded.
