Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[Twinkie]

Call me an autist but... I feel like taking a stance on whether or not DID exists is not really conducive to the thread. It's just going to take away from the real point of it which is that- whether DID is real or not- Chloe and Nan are malingering. Or deluded. Or whatever they are. And we're here to observe what they do. Right now there haven't been many new things (aside from the email from EntitleDID to Life) to discuss.

I feel like there is a lot here that is going wildly off topic and should maybe be discussed in the Plural thread? Other systems, like DID and Me, M&M, Entropy, DID Mom (who needs her own thread honestly), Fragmented Psyche, etc, should be discussed there too. I keep checking back for new info and all I see is a shit ton of posts throwing out the same shit over and over again. I'll admit, I've been guilty of it too.

EDIT: I love a good discussion about it, I love reading what people with differing opinions have to say, but I just think this thread is getting... crowded?

You can report posts that are egregiously off-topic, such as users discussing some other DID weirdo and their post has no relation to Chloe or Nan whatsoever; I will move posts like that to the plural thread.

As for people stating whether or not they believe DID is real, it's going to happen in this thread. If it becomes a legitimate derail that is dragging on, report it. Otherwise, ignore it because there's no way of keeping that topic out of this thread entirely.

 

[Bust Down Gloriana]

Hmm. Good point. I still don't know though. She does not come off as very intelligent to me. Especially since no one who is actually intelligent brags about it like I have heard Chloe talk.

Improvisational acting isn’t easy, but it doesn’t require a great deal of intelligence either

There are a lot of different types of intelligence. Look at how Trisha Paytas, Tana Mongeau, etc, are absolute trainwrecks of human beings and still have a pretty great life. They aren't making intelligent decisions but they got as far as they have because they still have a nose for this stuff despite themselves. Admittedly she's not the same sort of person Trish and Tana are, but even if you don't think Chloe is that intelligent, she's still clearly cunning as fuck.

Trisha hasn’t stayed relevant for as long as she has without making intelligent decisions.

As for Chloe, it doesn’t take a Machiavellian mind to write up a cast of generic characters (confident young man with Estuary English accent, bright and bubbly young girl, vampy older woman, angry goth girl), film herself improvising in character, and tie them together using Google results for DID terminology.

 

[Supreme Autist]

I dunno lads, if this is real it seems like Toi knows what they’re doing.

Hats off to Pickless

https://archive.vn/BAglB

Do they?
They have a hilarius disclaimer

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Easily triggered is the very definition of this.......'Community''

 

[dissociadoofus]

I can't help but to wonder how fucking exhausting this all must be. Faking all this BS all the time. That's some fucking true aspie commitment.

But not enough to keep their stories straight.

And it's not about being smart. It's about having literally nothing thing else going on in their lives they need to create this narrative for themselves.

 

[DissociaDONT]

No. Autumn Farr of Toi is not a doctor.

https://www.instagram.com/autumn.farr/

She also lives in California, iirc

She lives in California, and she sounds just as annoying on a podcast as she does in that email:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-autumn-overcame-childhood-abuse-002/id1458997522?i=1000434707077

To add to this. I posted it way back when, but that might as well be decades ago with how fast this thread moves:

Based on her social media likes, she's into faith-based actualization and flat Earth theory. She owned a Christian gym, and Toi Magazine used to be the Boutique of Toi, seller of tacky, marked up lingerie.

I'm eager to see how the con goes.

 

[generalsneezus]

I can't help but to wonder how fucking exhausting this all must be. Faking all this BS all the time. That's some fucking true aspie commitment.

But not enough to keep their stories straight.

And it's not about being smart. It's about having literally nothing thing else going on in their lives they need to create this narrative for themselves.

I mean, considering they don’t have outside jobs, they have a lot of time on their hands for this.
And I agree. The internet could care less if you’re actually right or not, if it’s cool, quirky, or funny, they’ll give you views. Even if it’s problematic, i mean look at Trisha; she gets a ton of dislikes and criticism, but guess what she’s also getting: Views. Attention. That’s where the monetary gain comes in.
The thing that Dissociadid and the viewers have in common is lack of actual experience studying/gaining degrees in the field of mental health. As many people don’t want to shift through hours of medical jargon and unfamiliar terms, they’d rather watch the interactive! fun! and quirky! videos that convey a wide range of alters discussing their extensive background of research consisting of information about as credible as Wikipedia.
Nin could probably care less if the things she says are actually true. As with anyone who’s ever written a research essay, there should be a counter argument and input from QUALIFIED sources. Addressing skepticism and maybe getting actual doctors on her podcast other than herself and Nan would bring about a lot more educational value. However, as aforementioned, people could care less about educational value. Some just think it’s a cool way to incorporate roleplaying into their lives without facing judgement due to the pity factor.
So, instead of actual education, it turns into a mystical world where people conjure and even emulate the exact alters from others system. Views, patrons, and merch buyers roll in, eager to associate with this super unique and sensational disease!!
Also, I’ve never watched any of the videos from dissociadid on ptsd, recovery from addiction, etc. Are those just blubber too?? Does she cite ANY sources? Because if she doesn’t have a degree to back up her info, she needs to include some thorough sources and insight from accredited people if she truly wants to be “educational”

 

[heterotic]

Also, I’ve never watched any of the videos from dissociadid on ptsd, recovery from addiction, etc. Are those just blubber too?? Does she cite ANY sources? Because if she doesn’t have a degree to back up her info, she needs to include some thorough sources and insight from accredited people if she truly wants to be “educational”

No, they are complete and utter self-aggrandizing bullshit.

 

[noodle-poodle]

I don't know if these have been posted yet, been reading for the past few days

Spoiler: MERIDA sneezing yummy

https://www.sneezefetishforum.com/topic/46877-red-headed-sneeze/
View attachment 1235398
View attachment 1235366 Merida is 16.''I've recently drawn a couple pieces of Merida fanart, one of which is fetish-y.''...

Spoiler: character sneezing, as a kid

View attachment 1235387View attachment 1235389Bianca from Rescuers, her as a KID

 

[lamp]

Nin could probably care less if the things she says are actually true. As with anyone who’s ever written a research essay, there should be a counter argument and input from QUALIFIED sources.

She’s just banking on the fact that people will believe her because she spouts big words and psych terminology. The thought process of her sheep is probably something like “she clearly has it if she’s educating others.” She’s a good manipulator since no one would question someone making videos about DID

 

[generalsneezus]

Also, I think worth noting that the “fun” videos ie:”My alters take the pottermore quiz” and “Non-human alter does my makeup SWITCH CAUGHT ON CAMERA” have significantly more views (and i mean almost a million more views) than the videos she claims are actually “educational” Ie: “Relapsing” “System responsibility” and “communicating with alters.” I think Nin knows what she’s doing. She CONSTANTLY claims how she’s solely educational, yet when the views are lacking all she sticks in another video that makes DID appear super fun!! fresh!! and trendy!! Like NON HUMAN alter doing makeup AND switches on camera?! Golly we got ourselves some entertainment!
If she was actually educational she would have a degree or at LEAST some sources and insight from experts, critical and supporting of views and opinions on DID.
Also, I feel as though the trisha paytas “calling her crazy” was way overdramatisized. To the point where she literally started the video with the clip of her reaction to it. Trisha didn’t directly call her crazy, she said that was her initial reaction. Not that I like Trisha, I just personally didn’t feel there was any ill intent.
But hey, anything for the 2.5 million views on the reaction video

 

[NoWords]

Also, I think worth noting that the “fun” videos ie:”My alters take the pottermore quiz” and “Non-human alter does my makeup SWITCH CAUGHT ON CAMERA” have significantly more views (and i mean almost a million more views) than the videos she claims are actually “educational” Ie: “Relapsing” “System responsibility” and “communicating with alters.”

While I agree with what you said, can we please get some spaces between your paragraphs.

 

[PainoJunkie]

The inner world is what's called pseudomemory. Just another trauma coping mechanism, nothing more than a glorified imaginary world inside their head.

But having a pseudo-memory doesn't serve the purpose of DID which is to not know you have it to keep yourself hidden from an abusive past. If you'd all of a sudden disappear and then come back having memories in another world with other people, it contradicts with the claims that those with DID don't know that they have it and have amnesiac episodes that they attribute to being "spacy," before they are diagnosed. Also I don't see the purpose in having these pseudo memories.

 

[generalsneezus]

While I agree with what you said, can we please get some spaces between your paragraphs.

Apologies, I’m on mobile so this formatting is new to me.

 

[bonitoflakeprincess]

I just want one of these DID Youtubers or influencers to say what exactly is so stigmatized about DID. They drone on and on about stigmas but it's always vague.

some of them kind of do. it's all to do with "hollywood depections" and tropes. like how horrors and thrillers like casting the bad guy as mentally ill,, or writing creepy pasta of a haunted Zelda game, where it turns out Link is psychotic and killing people and stashing their bodies around town, not saving kidnaped girls and slaying monsters. "people with that disorder would never, that is not how it works"

or maybe the notion someone with DID is going to have moments of being a profond invalid

 

[dissociadoofus]

Im not saying this to be an ass but I think it just says she <3 Bianca as a kid, like as a child nan lessthanthreed (Myspace for "love") her. Not that it's her drawn as a kid. But honestly it probably is anyway and I read it wrong
I still want to violently puke through my eyes either way.

 

[heterotic]

The inner world is what's called pseudomemory. Just another trauma coping mechanism, nothing more than a glorified imaginary world inside their head.

False memories and "inner worlds" are just another DIDism that has been highly debated in the psychiatric community for decades, and pretty much shunned in neuroscience academia.

And the debate isn't really about what causes it, like DID, it's the validity of it: whether it is iatrogenic (caused by therapists: particularly hypnosis or suggestion) or pseudogenic (malingering).

 

[generalsneezus]

False memories and "inner worlds" are just another DIDism that has been highly debated in the psychiatric community for decades, and pretty much shunned by in neuroscience academia.

And the debate isn't really about what causes it, like DID, it's the validity of it: whether it is iatrogenic (caused by therapists: particularly hypnosis or suggestion) or pseudogenic (malingering).

Yeah, I’m wondering where the scientific evidence relating to all of these intricate stories, like Nan having an alter in a coma trapped in an attic and guarded by an animatronic doll. If they knew this was happening, why didn’t the other alters step in? Or was it like an uncontrollable dream or illusion?
Also, I’m wondering why done of Chloe’s animal alters don’t front anymore, like the tiger with the (Jamaican??) accent or the alleged unicorns. I guess they’re “dormant”, but she hasn’t confirmed that.

 

[im_here_for_number_5]

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They have a hilarius disclaimer

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Easily triggered is the very definition of this.......'Community''

Hahahahaha good point. And certainly the founder’s background doesn’t suggest “mastermind.”

Still, their pitch is to get people to pay so they can feel like special heroes. Not to induce more gagging but how much you wanna bet they all applaud themselves for their “bravery” in the first five minutes of the event?

 

[heterotic]

Yeah, I’m wondering where the scientific evidence relating to all of these intricate stories, like Nan having an alter in a coma trapped in an attic and guarded by an animatronic doll. If they knew this was happening, why didn’t the other alters step in? Or was it like an uncontrollable dream or illusion?
Also, I’m wondering why done of Chloe’s animal alters don’t front anymore, like the tiger with the (Jamaican??) accent or the alleged unicorns. I guess they’re “dormant”, but she hasn’t confirmed that.

There isn't any. And as with anyone who claims something that is impossible or difficult to falsify, it is so intangible that it is harder to argue about it than it is to argue that reality isn't reality. It's not much different than something like the flat earth theory, tbh. It involves denial of observation. Science, truth, it's based on awareness and admitting that it's a point of view. It's mutable. Denying observation comes from a rigid place; how can you argue with someone who is unwilling to admit their sense of reality may be fabricated or imagined?

 

[bonitoflakeprincess]

There isn't any. And as with anyone who claims something that is impossible or difficult to falsify, it is so intangible that it is harder to argue about it than it is to argue that reality isn't reality. It's not much different than something like the flat earth theory, tbh. It involves denial of observation. Science, truth, it's based on awareness and admitting that it's a point of view. It's mutable. Denying observation comes from a rigid place; how can you argue with someone who is unwilling to admit their sense of reality may be fabricated or imagined?

that is what makes the situation perfect for them. and strange that these are the only delusions that feeding are part of healing.
nobody would ever suggest to put dream interpertation as a valid science.
but this? this we need to say is real. not lucid dreaming mixed with maladaptive daydreaming, with fantasy prone personality disorder.