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- Aug 1, 2019
Miscellaneous:
Frog Twitter and guys from The Right Stuff (TRS) have been in open war with Scott Greer for the past couple of days on Twitter.
Greer spoke at AFPAC and is a close friend of Nick's. He's got terrible takes. He used to be a writer at the Daily Caller, but was doxed by Katie McHugh as being a writer for Richard Spencer's Radix Journal using the pseudonym "Michael McGregor."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...n-alt-right-website-using-a-pseudonym/569335/ (https://archive.li/d5NdR)
Both groups are mad at Greer/AmNats for various reasons. Recently, I'd say Frog Twitter is primarily mad because after the AmNats appropriated and killed the Groyper meme, it looks like they now have their eyes set on killing the Apu meme. Though they also overlap into having the below grievances.
The hatred between TRS and AmNats has been building up for a couple months. What really kicked it off was when Greer and other AmNats started pushing the narrative that Harvey Weinstein did nothing wrong, which was documented a few pages ago. Note that James Allsup works for TRS. I've seen people on Twitter say that Allsup has been taking a lot of shots at Fuentes/AmNats lately on the podcast he co-hosts. I don't listen to it so IDK what he's been saying.
Scott Greer on Twitter
“Only AWFLs will think this is not excessive https://t.co/ThGCiaW4YL”twitter.com
More recently, TRS is sick of AmNats using the free racism pass they got from Trump and the GOP to bitch about the Chinese and cover-up Trump's lackluster response to Corona Virus. It's funny because late last year, before Corona Virus, Nick was being called a Chinese shill by Frog Twitter, specifically people like Bronze Age Pervert (BAP), Kantbot, Loki, etc. He used to really like BAP and shill his book titled Bronze Age Mindset.
Evidently his dad either works for or owns a company that has deep Chinese ties. Prior to the pandemic, Nick was mostly friendly to China. His feelings about China are directly correlated to Trump's feelings about China.
His dad's work is something that'd be interesting to explore. I saw tweets that documented it, with his name, the company name, etc. I can't find them now. They were probably deleted.
Just Loki on Twitter
“The Fuentes clan has extensive business ties to China, Anglin is consistently pro-China (and lived there), all of Fuentes' prominent defenders are Asian...all the e-celebs who support the "groyper army" previously supported Yang. I'm detecting a pattern here. https://t.co/U2WAsc0Lwe”
Just Loki on Twitter
“Ricky remade group chats to specifically exclude people I didn't like (Casey et al probably wouldn't know about that). If he found out about the Fuentes family Chinese sweat-shops, he would have lost it. https://t.co/9N2p6zkMc3”
Then yesterday, Greer shot his mouth off about Serbian Nationalists preferring to align themselves with China rather than America because ya know America bombed the fuck out of them and a Serb Nationalist posted a meme that hurt his feelings. That really ignited things.
Scott Greer on Twitter
“Serbian nationalists be like: "I can't wait to be a serf to Han overlords!!" https://t.co/t9rvbYYZxZ”
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Greer also put out a tweet with a picture of Jane Fonda in North Vietnam that said "Reminder: this is not a wise political strategy." People were quick to point out that those words are rich coming from Greer, who is a Harvey Weinstein defender.
It's hilarious that Greer and his fellow AmNats have united people they call WigNats. People that were Twitter fighting with each other just a few weeks ago have now coalesced over dunking on Greer lmao.
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https://twitter.com/HyperBoraean/status/1250293610110521344 (https://archive.li/l7sEy)
Today, AmNats are deluding themselves into thinking that black people are gonna vote for Trump because of the stimulus checks.
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https://twitter.com/ZoomerClips/status/1250366199130550272 (https://archive.li/cFYB7)
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Also, the Daily Groyper's Twitter account (@DailyGroyper) was recently permanently suspended. The much better Twitter account, @DailyGrifter, is still kickin'.
As someone else said, people with strong political views are always in-fighting. It happened with Stalin/Trotsky, Hitler/Strasser Brothers, etc. I strive to be thorough and objective, so I'm gonna give a comprehensive answer.
AmNats would give the simple answer of "optics" but if you look at the situation objectively there's much more to it.
Ironically, most of it started after the Charlottesville "Unite The Right" rally that turned into a disaster, but that's not the sole cause. Nick and many TRS guys attended. From what I gather, they both have the same views about the aftermath and agree it was a bad idea.
Yes, TRS made some poor decisions regarding "optics." For example, they had aligned themselves in the Matt Heimbach/Traditional Workers Party (TWP) guys for a little while because they wanted unity among white nationalists.
They ended up ditching that idea and cut things off with Heimbach. I'm not sure exactly when it happened. I think a little bit before Heimbach's "cuckbox" incident. If you don't know about that, just search online. It's hilarious. Heimbach was never central to TRS, though. I think he had a couple of guest appearances and a podcast that had like two episodes before they disassociated from him.
Mike Enoch of TRS went to a rally with Heimbach post-Charlottesville in Shelbyville, TN. For the most part, it wasn't notable but it was definitely cringe. Nick and many others rightfully took the piss out of them for it. It had groups like TWP, Nationalist Socialist Movement (NSM), etc. There were a small few fights between white nationalists and ANIFA/ANTIFA adjacent people. The police handled everything well so it didn't turn into a disaster like Charlottesville.
All people in fringe politics have transgressive elements, but Heimbach gets off on being transgressive. He liked being portrayed as an evil caricature. He played that role for like 10 years. He felt like a character out of a Hollywood movie, LARPy costumes and all.
His behavior was a red flag. I won't say that all people that act like he did are insincere about their beliefs because there's a lot of terrible people. I will say that people should like him should never be associated with, though, at any capacity. TRS learned that lesson, but they really shouldn't have needed to because it was so obvious, but they were operating on the whole muh unity principle.
People like Heimbach typically end up doing one of two things: they become a federal informant and then promote violent acts that get a bunch of people arrested or they have a "change of heart" and reverse their political views. Just recently, Heimbach had a "change of heart" and joined some "anti-hate" group and put up a video on YouTube where he says he's no longer a white nationalist. He was briefly in the NSM before they kicked him out for being a communist. He details that in the video and says "I guess if the red star fits."
It's also worth mentioning that in March 2019, the leader of the NSM, Jeff Schoep, also had a "change of heart" and like gave the organization to a black man who dismantled it or something lmao. Heimbach joined the same "anti-hate" group that Schoep joined.
Light Upon Light Shape Shifters - Matthew Heimbach, a Former White Nationalist
www.lightuponlight.online To struggle against hate we need to alter the paradigm and ecology in which polarization, hate, and extremism flourish. Independent...www.youtube.com
But like I said, Heimbach was never a big part of TRS, but it did start to show a dividing line in viewpoints between WigNats/AmNats. (Each side labeled the other like Pro-Abortion/Anti-Choice.)
It's also worth mentioning that TRS was aligned with Richard Spencer for a while and Spencer and Fuentes have beef for various reasons I'm not gonna bother to outline. TRS and Spencer don't really associate with each other any more. I don't know why, for sure. He ran National Policy Institute into the ground after he was put in charge of it. It was once a relatively well-funded 501(c)(3). It was founded by a millionaire and really the only viable organization in politics that pushed their point of view. He also fucked his best friend's girlfriend.
TRS runs a tight lipped ship for the most part, they don't like in-fighting to be public. Which is why them all dunking on Scott Greer is hilarious because they finally said "fuck it."
Nick thought that if he wore a suit, didn't associate with undesirables (and went out of his way to condemn said undesirables), used the right words to describe his ideology (not White Nationalist, not Alt-Right, etc) that he could bamboozle people, the press, and organizations like the ADL, SPLC, etc. that he wouldn't be branded WN/Alt-Right/Nazi, etc.
TRS thought that the the groups were going to call them a Nazi anyway, who cares?
The TRS strategy was nonsensical. If someone calls you a faggot, you don't just start sucking cock. They've since backed off on it. They've changed the names of podcasts, distances themselves from people like Chris Cantwell, etc. They've toned down some of the edginess and go out of there way to no say things that can be construed as violence. They're aggressively anti-fedposting and have kicked people off the network for not complying. The Daily Shoah became TDS. Fash The Nation became FTN.
Hate House became Love Street but the guy who hosted it was such a drunk, autistic, shockjock, fedposter that he exploded on drunken, late night YouTube stream about how he hated the direction TRS was going that they kicked him off the network and he left the internet. He was also mad that TRS made him remove Azzmador as a co-host, who is affiliated with the Daily Stormer and does their podcast.
Nick's "optics" strategy on the other hand was complete bullshit and this thread is littered with proof of that. Any time he's called out in the media for comments he's made on things like the holocaust, he plays the irony bro card. He thought that would be able to save him from media scrutiny and he was wrong. Pretending to be a devout Catholic isn't going to shroud you from scrutiny when you talk about Trump's Chosen influence and power. It's that simple.
Nick isn't as clever as he thinks he is.
I can't remember when, but Nick adopted the policy of not talking to the press far after TRS did. Nick thought he could be "optical" and give interviews to people that hated him and his ideas and be given a fair shake. He'd get mad at when journalists he hung out with would publish articles calling him a white nationalist, Alt-Right, Nazi, etc. Most recently, that would be the video interview he gave to MTV where they misled him about what the mini doc they were doing would be about. He said that it was recorded a year or two ago, but he should have known they were going to do that. After all, he claims to be much smarter than everyone else. Yet, he did a DLive stream of his reaction to it where he was incredulous that they didn't treat him fairly.
Nick spoke at AmRen 2018, which is American Renaissance's conference. American Renaissance is a white nationalist organization. He can play semantics all he wants. He'll say something like "I'm not a white nationalist, I'm not advocating for an entirely white country, I just think America should retain a super majority of the founding stock." and thinks that's going to get him off the hook. It doesn't.
Additional areas of conflict:
Evidently DLive is raising the cut out of donations they take to give to Lino Network miners. They've disabled Lemon donations for tonight to do maintenance. Nick is gonna miss out on those sweet, sweet TrumpBux donations he was anticipating tonight. He's mad DLive didn't notify him. Lmao.
- Religion. Many of the TRS guys are atheists that are sympathetic to Christians. TRS has a Christian podcast called the Godcast. The co-founders try to stay out of religious flame wars. When it comes to something like Islam, their views are more nuanced than Nick's. If they talk about Islam, it's through a racial lens, not a religious doctrinal lens. Until recently, Nick would shit on anyone that's not Catholic, including Protestants. His attitude changed during the Groyper Wars probably because claiming to be an AmNat while shitting on the sect of Christianity responsible for America existing is untenable.
- Women. AmNats call WigNats feminists because they don't hate women. AmNats literately defend Harvey Weinstein as having done nothing wrong, despite court records. They defend a Trump's Chosen movie mogul that explicitly targeted white women and hired ex-Mossad agents to suppress allegations.
- Trump/GOP. Listen to TDS and you're gonna hear mostly criticism of Trump/GOP. Listen to Chapo Trap House and you're gonna hear mostly criticism of Liberals/DNC. Listen to America First and you're gonna hear mostly Nick sucking Trump's dick.
- Economics. Like Nick, TRS came from a libertarian background. From what I've read, they started off as a libertarian Facebook group and they gradually became white nationalists. They've basically adopted what Nick would consider "socialist" economic policies: Medicare4All, strong social welfare programs, etc.
- Daily Stormer. Andrew Anglin and TRS have beef. Anglin is a fan of Fuentes' and Fuentes' is a fan of Anglin. He won't explicitly say it, but he gives dog whistles. He'll say something like "I read XYZ in an article by Andrew Klavan in... What's that website's name? TheDailyWeather.name?" Klavan is a writer/podcaster for Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire.
In conclusion
The "dissident right" is as bad as SJW's about petty infighting, drama, and cancellations, which is one major reason they're completely fucked. You'd think a group that was primarily a reaction to the shittiness of team ingsoc would want to make a point to avoid that, but no dice.
