Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Tug trying to start shit with zack will be the end of him.

 

[Newman's Own]

Not defending Mitch here because I am one of Red Roosters backers, but The Futurists was genuinely the best CG book I've read so far. I'm awaiting Soulfinder: Demons Match so we'll see if that can knock it off my number 1 spot.

Damn. The Futurists is genuinely the one book I really, really wanted to read. I'm super into that steampunk/Jules Verne/H Rider Haggard/Edgar Rice Burroughs kind of asthetic and pulp storytelling and I'm bummed that Mitch fucked up his crowdfunding model so badly that I didn't feel like I could back it. That and the fact that I'm still waiting on Red Rooster.
I hope he produces a trade paperback I can buy some day.

Sadly there's no such thing as Walmart in my part of the world. I'd no interest in the other two books either and after the Meg debacle he should have known that bundling books rather then have the individual teams promote them was a mistake. Plus he hinted that further issues would not be crowd funded. I directly asked him (prior to the Wallmart deal being anounced) how I could get it and he just hinted that it would be 'widely available'. Not if you live in another country fuck-head. So it was a no.

Another key point on why ComicsGate fails as a model (some of their international backing systems are fucked as well) when they decide to do things like Mitch did. There's no such thing as a Walmart where I'm from either. Meanwhile, I can go to a local bookstore that was still open before the coronavirus and buy as much TPB from DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, IDW and so on. Or just buy manga alone.

You won't need a Walmart to read Futurists. If it's mass produced and sold at Walmart it's likely to be available on the internet at no cost as well.

If you feel guilty about that you could always kick the charlatan Breitweiser duo a few Ebucks in sooper chats or whatever.

I backed Red Rooster and it's coming out for about 1/10th the price I paid (with shipping) in Walmart before I get my backer copy. Mitch and Betty owe me and every other backer they shit on with this 'deceive and fuck the backer' model.

I'm not mad though. I'm even gonna read their books for as long as they last. They're just not going to see another cent of my money.

It'll be interesting to see how Walmart fucks the B's as well. They're gold fish swimming with sharks and from what I hear they have to much ego and not enough business sense (brains) to not get themselves fucked over by the retail champions of the world.

It'll be fun to watch.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Another key point on why ComicsGate fails as a model (some of their international backing systems are fucked as well) when they decide to do things like Mitch did. There's no such thing as a Walmart where I'm from either. Meanwhile, I can go to a local bookstore that was still open before the coronavirus and buy as much TPB from DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, IDW and so on. Or just buy manga alone.

My own personal butt-hurt about the shit-show that was Bigfoot Bill for international backers aside, I have to accept the reality that international backers are probably less then 10% of comicsgate backers, with a much higher rate of failures and returns, which is costly to creators. Already some creators don't ship internationally because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. That cuts both ways of course, BFB was (IMO) poor, so there's no goddamn way I'm shelling out 80-100 bucks (after shipping) for for book 2.
None of that has any real bearing on the direct to customer model. You can live in a town without a Barnes and Nobel too, everybody at least can get mail.

Liam's latest stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVCq4F12-nA
At around 1 hour 13/14 minutes TUG calls out Richard, and his credibility as a ComicsGate figure. TUG basically asks if Richard is even CG if he doesn't take his "responsibility" to livestream or be on Twitter. TUG trynna go for a kill at Richard's neck here.

EDIT: Liam stupidly says that EVS "reinvented the wheel" at 1 hour 40/41 minute mark. Sure Liam, kiss that ass now.

Now see, this is what I'm talking about when I talk about how irritating a-logging is.
I happened to be listening to that stream. The discussion point was, 'what makes a creator comicsgate, is it promoting other creators?'. TUG said that Richard doesn't promote other creators, does that mean he's not comicsgate? His answer was no, he has no obligation to use his platform to promote anybody.
I think TUG is a grifter and there's plenty of reasons to despise his antics, enough not to have to twist the truth to shit on the guy.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

TUG said that Richard doesn't promote other creators, does that mean he's not comicsgate? H

Tug doesn't promote anyone but whores out his daughter.

 

[Newman's Own]

Tug trying to start shit with zack will be the end of him.

Maybe.

Maybe not. TUG seems to be disgruntled with CG. He's refusing to promote any but his closest friends (people he can use) and he's talking smack more and more about CG.

TUG might be the end of TUG.

At least the end of TUG in CG... The 'USPS slugger' appears to want to pivot away from comics or at least CG and set his sights on fresh spergs the way he did so successfully with the jap cartoon spergs with wet spots in their pants for that old lecherous (allegedly) cartoon voice guy along with Rekita.

TUG isn't that smart (look at that thing he married) but he is cunning. (he got away with mailbox murder after all) I'm curious to see how far he gets before he fucks it all up.

 

[CapeKnight]

Now see, this is what I'm talking about when I talk about how irritating a-logging is.
I happened to be listening to that stream. The discussion point was, 'what makes a creator comicsgate, is it promoting other creators?'. TUG said that Richard doesn't promote other creators, does that mean he's not comicsgate? His answer was no, he has no obligation to use his platform to promote anybody.
I think TUG is a grifter and there's plenty of reasons to despise his antics, enough not to have to twist the truth to shit on the guy.

I don't think I was twisting the truth here. I know what the discussion was about, but the fact that he brought up Richard as a case is clearly going to divide a lot of these guys much further here. Richard's got a special position, EVS's got a special position, Anna's got a special case, who else is getting special treatment now? Because now, it's pushed the CG narrative to being about the need to declare yourself as ComicsGate, but even if you do, you're going to go through purity tests regardless. He's essentially throwing out Richard to the sharks here. In a previous stream, where the shithow happened with Malin, Malin outright asked "it's okay if Ceasar does it, but not me?" when they had a fight with Ro and Pan. So who exactly qualifies for this special treatment? So really, CG is all about doing what you like and not adhering to any kind of standard then. If it's about promoting who you like and who you vouch for, then these guys are required to make clear what their requirements are in SPECIFIC detail. Which you know what that means. You're gonna force these fucks to define what things such as "good storytelling" is. As bad as MauLer and the EFAP crew are, at least those guys can pretend they know the "Objectivity VS Subjectivity" argument when it comes to art well enough. None of these guys can even go on about their requirements without folding to their preferences instead. And how does this work then, because if everyone starts submitting different requirements, then it means books can pitted against each other.

See, this is what you get when you have artists who rely on the loose subjectivity of things such as art to define what is "good" and "quality", which is supposed to be an objective evaluation. If they were all forced to listen to a seriously talented writer, even CyberFrog would be struck so hard none of them would utter the "muh millions!" EVS keeps shouting in defense of it. Captain Marvel made a billion, it's still a shitshow of a movie.

EDIT: What all this means is that Ethan's position would literally mean jackshit, except for being a has been DC artist who ends up grifting an entire movement.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Tug doesn't promote anyone but whores out his daughter.

I agree, anybody that would put a child on the front lines of the culture war and expose them to some of the mentally ill malingerers that orbit him for pitybux is scum.
His incessant whining about how 'comicsgate won't act like my personal army' when his shit gets called out is disgusting, it was pretty hilarious that the last time he did that he was getting BTFO'd by fucking Comicbook Hutt. If you need a personal army to defend you from the Hutt raping your ass TUG, then perhaps you're not best suited for this game.

 

[Yosha]

CyberFrog would be struck so hard none of them would utter the "muh millions!" EVS keeps shouting in defense of it. Captain Marvel made a billion, it's still a shitshow of a movie.

thats pretty much it. How are your comics any better than Marvel or DC's? Just because you dont put SJW bullshit in there and have some girls with big tits, doesn't make it a good story.

 

[instythot]

I don't think I was twisting the truth here. I know what the discussion was about, but the fact that he brought up Richard as a case is clearly going to divide a lot of these guys much further here. Richard's got a special position, EVS's got a special position, Anna's got a special case, who else is getting special treatment now? Because now, it's pushed the CG narrative to being about the need to declare yourself as ComicsGate, but even if you do, you're going to go through purity tests regardless. He's essentially throwing out Richard to the sharks here. In a previous stream, where the shithow happened with Malin, Malin outright asked "it's okay if Ceasar does it, but not me?" when they had a fight with Ro and Pan. So who exactly qualifies for this special treatment? So really, CG is all about doing what you like and not adhering to any kind of standard then. If it's about promoting who you like and who you vouch for, then these guys are required to make clear what their requirements are in SPECIFIC detail. Which you know what that means. You're gonna force these fucks to define what things such as "good storytelling" is. As bad as MauLer and the EFAP crew are, at least those guys can pretend they know the "Objectivity VS Subjectivity" argument when it comes to art well enough. None of these guys can even go on about their requirements without folding to their preferences instead. And how does this work then, because if everyone starts submitting different requirements, then it means books can pitted against each other.

See, this is what you get when you have artists who rely on the loose subjectivity of things such as art to define what is "good" and "quality", which is supposed to be an objective evaluation. If they were all forced to listen to a seriously talented writer, even CyberFrog would be struck so hard none of them would utter the "muh millions!" EVS keeps shouting in defense of it. Captain Marvel made a billion, it's still a shitshow of a movie.

Ah yes, we got through the disavowals ("I'm done with this gay shit" - IA), and excommunication phase of -gating (so long roguestar and King of Pol) and now we're getting into the streamers constantly fighting with each other. And then twitter starts eating itself over what true -gating is and you have something like 4 people pretending to be Japanese women left who still care about it.

I'm so glad previous -gates provided such a clear roadmap to failure and irrelevance that's being completely ignored

 

[CapeKnight]

thats pretty much it. How are your comics any better than Marvel or DC's? Just because you dont put SJW bullshit in there and have some girs with big tits, doesn't make it a good story.

Exactly. I'll be quite honest now. Girls with big tits or asses don't make me buy comics, it never has. I'm in it for the damn story. Entertain me bitch, that's what it is. If your story is so shit it makes my mind snap out of it because the logic in your story is so fucked it's making me question your work, then get fucked, I'm not enjoying myself if my mind's running amok trying to make sense of how stupid your story is. Challenge me on an intellectual level at least.

Considering how dumb 95% of them are, they most probably can't.

 

[Newman's Own]

I happened to be listening to that stream. The discussion point was, 'what makes a creator comicsgate, is it promoting other creators?'. TUG said that Richard doesn't promote other creators, does that mean he's not comicsgate? His answer was no, he has no obligation to use his platform to promote anybody.
I think TUG is a grifter and there's plenty of reasons to despise his antics, enough not to have to twist the truth to shit on the guy.

TUG recently said he wouldn't promote anyone anymore. He walked that back some but not much.

TUG isn't CG. TUG is looking after TUG and no one else. If he's helping someone it's because he has an angle even if that angle is just to look good.

But then that's Ethan and half of CG anyway. Half these guys hate each other and only play nice on YouTube because they need the network to squeeze the customers (rumors of Malin and Ro despising each other circulated for half a year before this weeks big reveal).

They're all just trying to get to the next level in the CG pyramid (scheme). They're rats clawing at each others backs as they try to fuck each other to get to the next level on the pyramid.

That's why it's so much fun watching these despicable retards slowly implode their own "movement". It's not like any of them are worthwhile human beings to begin with.

My favorites are Micah and Liam. They're to dumb to even hide what scumbags they are. They're like Ethan if he got a massive head injury and lost 80% of his reasoning skills.

It' sure is fun to watch them cannibalize themselves. It couldn't happen to a more worthy bunch of retards.



Edit: They're not all scumbags. But most of the ones who aren't like Ernst have been distancing themselves since last year when it became obvious that this "movement" bore no resemblance to what it was supposed to be.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Preston Poulters "This Week In Comicsgate" is going to be brought to us live this week.

It starts in 8 minutes

 

[Mister Dongs]

Tug trying to start shit with zack will be the end of him.

I can't say I was totally successful in making a "debate" on Comicsgate held by TUG and Micah Wright into an intellectual juggernaut, but I did make TUG hide behind Zack when I interrupted his constant "everyone betrays me" spiel for why he's helped two friends of his total in his entire stint in CG.

Sometimes we have to be the positive change in CG we want to see

 

[Adamska]

Man, Isolation Ethan after a month has to keep coming in here about once every 36 hours or so to call everyone stupid and affirm that he's laughing and totally not mad bro. He used to have some rudimentary skill at bantz for his almost daily refutations and rebuttals. What's he going to be like after 2 months?

He's probably privately chimping at his No-win situation in a chat every day now, since he has to either lose Malin completely and do his drama filled "HE BETRAY ME" streams until his viewers start drying up, or he has to lose his gay little club of CorpSec he's openly admitted to like having.

He's fucked either way because he's just too retarded to disengage from shithole sites like twitter and way too much of a child for a man in his 40's-50's.

And on Mitch? He can go fuck himself since he can't be arsed to deliver a book that thousands paid for because he didn't like it as much as the one he actually made for stores. Oh and then he decides to make it cheap and at Walmart first over his funders for his other fucking projects? I hope his career fucking burns completely and people shit in his mailbox.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Sometimes we have to be the positive change in CG we want to see

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I'm gasping, oh fuck. In these trying times of quarantine I feel like a really needed that laugh!

 

[Smug Freiza]

Tug doesn't promote anyone but whores out his daughter.

This is what I find funny about TUG, his opportunistic ways are just to visible to hide. Back when he had around 5K subs he used to promote indie creators all the time Cody (Jack Irons), Tim Lim (Thump), Jon Del Arroz (Flying Sparks) I think he even interviewed the RAGs crew at some point also.

Ever since his channel blew up though, he hardly touches CG anymore and never interviews creators. His chasing the algorithm for shekels and never gave a damn about "muh small indie creators."

TUG recently said he wouldn't promote anyone anymore. He walked that back some but not much.

TUG isn't CG. TUG is looking after TUG and no one else. If he's helping someone it's because he has an angle even if that angle is just to look good.

TUG has rage quit CG more times than I can honestly remember.

But then that's Ethan and half of CG anyway. Half these guys hate each other and only play nice on YouTube because they need the network to squeeze the customers (rumors of Malin and Ro despising each other circulated for half a year before this weeks big reveal).

They're all just trying to get to the next level in the CG pyramid (scheme). They're rats clawing at each others backs as they try to fuck each other to get to the next level on the pyramid.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ro and Warcampaign were hated by pretty much every CG creator except Ethan and some of the smaller indies they showcase

How do you think such a pyramid would look? Obviously Ethan would be the tip, with maybe Malin and Zack directly below him. Underneath that would be mid tier guys like Ben Henderson and Antonio Brice? Then a bunch of nobodies at the very bottom?

It would be great if someone could make a graphic of this pyramid with names, then we could all discuss who belongs where and why. @TheLaughingMan I'm looking at you. **hint hint, nudge nudge**

That's why it's so much fun watching these despicable exceptional individuals slowly implode their own "movement". It's not like any of them are worthwhile human beings to begin with.

My favorites are Micah and Liam. They're to dumb to even hide what scumbags they are. They're like Ethan if he got a massive head injury and lost 80% of his reasoning skills.

It' sure is fun to watch them cannibalize themselves. It couldn't happen to a more worthy bunch of exceptional individuals.

Liam Gray is a complete nutcase on twitter, but he is able to present a calm facade as a host on his youtube channel.

Micah Curtis is a straight up cunt. I don't normally fuck with CG creators outside of some a-logging here on the Farms, but I make an exception to troll Micah in any comment section I find the fat fuck in.

Edit: They're not all scumbags. But most of the ones who aren't like Ernst have been distancing themselves since last year when it became obvious that this "movement" bore no resemblance to what it was supposed to be.

Doug Ernst is genuinely good people. I think Antonio Brice has been putting in some distance as well, other than the Cridious stream I haven't really seen him around much anymore. Are there are other presumed active CG creators who have dropped off the face of the earth? Mitch Breitweiser too I suppose.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

It would be great if someone could make a graphic of this pyramid with names, then we could all discuss who belongs where and why. @TheLaughingMan I'm looking at you. **hint hint, nudge nudge**

You mean something kind of like this but a pyramid huh? Hmmmm. These people aren't worth the time and creativity of it though. LMAO. This is something that was thrown together a month or so ago. Fun the things that kind of show up online.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Maybe.

Maybe not. TUG seems to be disgruntled with CG. He's refusing to promote any but his closest friends (people he can use) and he's talking smack more and more about CG.

TUG might be the end of TUG.

TUG's only showing up because he has a comic he plans on selling, and the only reason he plans on selling a comic is because Youtube's anti-algorithm whore filter has demonetized his Johnny Depp vids by 85%. He's never walked back his loud proclamations from last year that CG was a failed movement full of infighting, ingrate traitors and gayops and that's why he's leaving to join #istandwithvic, only to find lots of gayops in there as well. As Matt thoroughly elaborated this morning, if he even suspects you of gayops he will cut you out of every behind the scenes social circle and communications group and "handle things" secretly in DMs. Because he hates gayops that much.

 

[Smug Freiza]

You mean something kind of like this but a pyramid huh? Hmmmm. These people aren't worth the time and creativity of it though. LMAO. This is something that was thrown together a month or so ago. I kind of kept it back, but your pyramid idea kind of reminded me of this one sitting around. LMAO

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That is nice, but I meant just a simple pyramid with names assorted in some hierarchical order in terms of crowdfunding ability. That way when we look at the names we can try and figure out who will backstab who to ascend to the next rung of the pyramid. Even the former CG creators names in red as causalities would be a nice touch.

For example:

TOP TIER: (Campaigns in excess of $200,000 - multiple six figures.)
Ethan VanSciver, Richard C Meyer, Doug TenNapel

HIGH TIER: (Campaigns over $100,000 - six figure club)
Mitch Breitweiser, Jon Malin, Cecil, Raging Golden Eagle, TUG, Kyle Ritter, Mike S Miller,

MID TIER: (Campaigns between $30,000-$100,000)
Billy Tucci, Antonio Brice, Von Klaus, Timothy Lim, Cal Jameson, Art Thibert, Jeff Hicks, Ben Henderson, Martina Markova, Karl O Rowe, Keung Lee, Donal Delay, Warcampaign, Cridious, Sweetcast, Eric Weathers, Doug Ernst, Narwhal, Vinne Tartamella, Andrew Huerta, Jon Del Arroz, Elliot Fernandez

LOW TIER: (Campaigns between $10,000-$30,000)
Professor Geek, Ben Jones, Gilbert Deltrez, Kelsey Shannon, Slick Jimmy, Gary Shipman, Robert Arnold, Indie Dave and Sean Sweeney, Adam Post, Jim Healis, Nasser Rabadi, J. Ishiro Finney, Mandy Summers, James Dean Anderson, Matt Wenger, Micah Curtis, Liam Gray, Dan Fraga, Eric Ninaltowski, That Star Wars Girl, George Alexopoulos

BOTTOM TIER: (Campaigns less than $10,000)
Jake Bihl, Sean Campbell, Jeff Lafferty, Cody Fernandez, Peter Gilmore, Preston Asevedo, Rick Piper, Jerry Richardson, Jake Campbell, Durraken, Bill Raupp, Rob Cacy, Preston Poulter, Brian Christgau, Wyatt Holiday, Mike Baron, Matt Weldon, Michael Derrick, Trisha Cuffari

White= Still in Comicsgate
Yellow= Allegiance yet to be determined
Red= Exiled or left of own accord.

Let me know if I've missed anyone, I'm using the Indiecron site for metrics and names so its not 100% up to date anymore. I'll update with suggestions.

So fellow Kiwi's, lets play Comicsgate deadpool. Who's next on the chopping block and who's going to be the one to take them out?

Place your bets now!

Edits: Changed colors, added more participants, Matt Weldon remains yellow due to working on CG books but also is associated with Tim Lim and the Rags crew.

 

[Nippy]

That is nice, but I meant just a simple pyramid with names assorted in some hierarchical order in terms of crowdfunding ability. That way when we look at the names we can try and figure out who will backstab who to ascend to the next rung of the pyramid. Even the former CG creators names in red as causalities would be a nice touch.

For example:

TOP TIER: (Campaigns in excess of $200,000 - multiple six figures.)
Ethan VanSciver, Richard C Meyer, Doug TenNapel

HIGH TIER: (Campaigns over $100,000 - six figure club)
Mitch Breitweiser, Jon Malin, Cecil, Raging Golden Eagle, TUG, Kyle Ritter, Mike S Miller,

MID TIER: (Campaigns between $30,000-$100,000)
Billy Tucci, Antonio Brice, Von Klaus, Timothy Lim, Cal Jameson, Art Thibert, Jeff Hicks, Ben Henderson, Martina Markova, Karl O Rowe, Keung Lee, Donal Delay, Warcampaign, Cridious, Sweetcast, Eric Weathers, Doug Ernst, Narwhal, Vinne Tartamella, Andrew Huerta, Jon Del Arroz, Elliot Fernandez

LOW TIER: (Campaigns between $10,000-$30,000)
Professor Geek, Ben Jones, Gilbert Deltrez, Kelsey Shannon, Slick Jimmy, Gary Shipman, Robert Arnold, Indie Dave and Sean Sweeney, Adam Post, Jim Healis, Nasser Rabadi, J. Ishiro Finney, Mandy Summers, James Dean Anderson, Matt Wenger, Micah Curtis, Liam Gray

BOTTOM TIER: (Campaigns less than $10,000)
Jake Bihl, Sean Campbell, Jeff Lafferty, Cody Fernandez, Peter Gilmore, Preston Asevedo, Rick Piper, Jerry Richardson, Jake Campbell, Durraken, Bill Raupp, Rob Cacy

White= Still in Comicsgate
Yellow= Allegiance yet to be determined
Red= Exiled or left of own accord.

Let me know if I've missed anyone, I'm using the Indiecron site for metrics and names so its not 100% up to date anymore. I'll update with suggestions.

So fellow Kiwi's, lets play Comicsgate deadpool. Who's next on the chopping block and who's going to be the one to take them out?

Place your bets now!

Gary Shipman is not aligned with CG. Gary is pure and wholesome.