Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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I wouldn't be surprised if one the steps opening lock down is to have people under 50 years of age and in good health return to work while those who more likely suffer the implications of corona stay home longer. Its probably better if part of the population willing to return to work do so than ones who don't want to suffer for a paycheck that not worth being in a ICU and dying.
 
Some updates on the cult front:

Pastor who defied quarantines to hold services dies of virus:



CA may be pushed along by WA and OR. Supposedly all 3 governors are creating a comprehensive plan to reopen. Eastern WA will likely be the first to open. Some counties there dont even have 20 cases total. Then rural OR and CA. But if you live in a large city in any of those states, youre fucked. Thats where the population density fucks everyone over and people are the most scared because theyre used to having everything open and within 5 min walking distance.

In rural WA, things are pretty normal, which is cool, given how people have talked about cops reacting elsewhere. Then again, we haven't acted out by stripping our stores bare or gotten too weird. Perhaps someone from Seattle can tell me if things are different there, but hundred miles out it doesn't look too different than any other day, just slightly further apart with moar masks. Then again our state government didn't do exceptional stuff like ban sales of clothes, shoes and gardening items either, so people aren't feeling the need to panic as much maybe.
 
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TL : DR It may actually be just a flu bro.*



*By mortality rate, chill sperg.

We really need to start working on testing for antibodies, then-- maybe moreso than the actual COVID-19 tests at this point.

And with that testing, doctors can get more people to donate their plasma ... Which would be a huge win when combating this thing. So far, critical patients who have received plasma donations have responded really well to the treatment. Imagine if we could figure this shit out on a mass scale; this thing would become a thing of the past really quickly.
 
For people worrying about not being able to get handsoap here's a handy tip

https://archive.vn/5JWpG

Now you'll say 'But that's from The Mirror! You'll get an aneurysm from reading that'. And that is indeed true, but Laurie Lee ain't wrong. Here I'm quoting the Mirror in non-aneurysm inducing amounts. Don't click that link above!



Sodium Laureth Sulphate is a detergent. It breaks up the lipid membrane around viruses and it's gentle enough you can use on your hands. And in other places too...

https://archive.vn/18Y2w

It's the active ingredient in pretty much all liquids soaps and shampoos. So if you can't get liquid soap, shampoo is just as good!
Good Lord, this is we have devolved into in less than one hundred years: people forgot that anyone can make soap from fat and caustic soda (lye). A friend of mine from Spain mentioned her granny made jabon casero from olive oil used for cooking and caustic soda. It was no beauty soap but it was fine for washing hands and cleaning home.
 
do we have french speakers here?
i could need a translation of this...
The article:
EXCLUSIVE – According to the professor Montagnier, SARS-CoV2 might be a manipulated virus [created] by the Chinese from HIV DNA!

The SARS-CoV-2 corona virus of the Covid-18 pandemic that has already caused more than 120 000 world-wide might be a manipulated virus, created accidentally in a Chinese lab researching a vaccine against AIDS. This is the incredible revelation that the professor Luc Montagnier, receiver of the Nobel prize in medicine 2008 for "discovering" HIV, makes in the podcast Why Doctor at the microphone of Doctor Jean-François Lemoine.

TL;DR of the first four minutes of the audio interview:
The Wuhan lab has been conducting research on Corona type viruses since the beginning of the 2000s. Montagnier and a colleague have been looking into this and believe that the Corona virus was accidentally created in the Wuhan lab in late 2019 from HIV DNA as the complete Wu flu virus genotype had sequences that were identical to that of the HIV virus. He says he and his colleague aren't the only ones who have come to this conclusion and mentions a group of Indian researchers who also discovered this but says they were forced to retract their study due to [political] pressure. He doesn't believe the identical sequences were created through natural mutation as you need "special molecular tools" to insert such sequences into a genotype.
 
We really need to start working on testing for antibodies, then-- maybe moreso than the actual COVID-19 tests at this point.

And with that testing, doctors can get more people to donate their plasma ... Which would be a huge win when combating this thing. So far, critical patients who have received plasma donations have responded really well to the treatment. Imagine if we could figure this shit out on a mass scale; this thing would become a thing of the past really quickly.
The actual WuFlu tests were meaningless by the time community spread started for anyone outside of a hospital.
 
Had this sent to me, allegedly sent by a sweet kid to a hospital some where in England...

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The article:
EXCLUSIVE – According to the professor Montagnier, SARS-CoV2 might be a manipulated virus [created] by the Chinese from HIV DNA!

The SARS-CoV-2 corona virus of the Covid-18 pandemic that has already caused more than 120 000 world-wide might be a manipulated virus, created accidentally in a Chinese lab researching a vaccine against AIDS. This is the incredible revelation that the professor Luc Montagnier, receiver of the Nobel prize in medicine 2008 for "discovering" HIV, makes in the podcast Why Doctor at the microphone of Doctor Jean-François Lemoine.

TL;DR of the first four minutes of the audio interview:
The Wuhan lab has been conducting research on Corona type viruses since the beginning of the 2000s. Montagnier and a colleague have been looking into this and believe that the Corona virus was accidentally created in the Wuhan lab in late 2019 from HIV DNA as the complete Wu flu virus genotype had sequences that were identical to that of the HIV virus. He says he and his colleague aren't the only ones who have come to this conclusion and mentions a group of Indian researchers who also discovered this but says they were forced to retract their study due to [political] pressure. He doesn't believe the identical sequences were created through natural mutation as you need "special molecular tools" to insert such sequences into a genotype.
So my translation was correct.
 
Good Lord, this is we have devolved into in less than one hundred years: people forgot that anyone can make soap from fat and caustic soda (lye). A friend of mine from Spain mentioned her granny made jabon casero from olive oil used for cooking and caustic soda. It was no beauty soap but it was fine for washing hands and cleaning home.

Sodium Laureth Sulphate has papers written on its ability to break up the phospholipid bilayer in viral capsids. It may well be that fat+caustic soda will produce compounds that can do that, I'm not sure. But SLS is so incredibly common in cheap soaps and shampoos and it looks like it's been tested, why not just buy those?


A lot of knowledgeable people have been speculating about this possibility for a while. We know there are asymptomatic cases, we're unsure how many and we expect them to be more numerous than the symptomatic cases. Once you count them in the CFR drops because the CFR is deaths/total_cases and if total_cases goes up because you've found loads of asymptomatic cases, CFR goes down.

What's interesting about this is that back when the UK was going for the herd immunity route the chief scientific adviser mentioned this, just not in a very clear way and it looked like the death rate was around 1% and the UK would need 400K deaths to get herd immunity.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-megathread.65421/page-792#post-6148094

At that point, a lot of people, including me, said 'Fuck it. Shut down everything'.

Maybe we were wrong and should have looked into estimates for the number of asymptomatic cases. Mind you it seems questionable to do that a month ago when that was a number with a very wide uncertainty range. However, the death toll from the lockdown was also completely unknown. It's a difficult decision. And you could see Boris struggled with it for a while until the Ferguson study came out with a very high estimate of the deaths from not locking down.
 
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Look, I've tried very hard to contain my thoughts about the way the US has been handling this. I just can't contain it anymore.

Is there a point in which you think, despite how rabidly #MAGA you might be, that Donald Trump is "not quite there"?

Mass graves in New York? #MAGA

Being modern-day Pirates? #MAGA

Reopening your country, before you've 'flattened the curve'? #MAGA
1. Mass graves in New York? (Archive)
2. Being modern-day Pirates? (Archive)
Man, just wait till you hear about Hart Island.

Oh wait that's fine because it's not ORANGE MANBAD.
Hart Island (Archive)
Archive of Jamie's tweet: https://archive.vn/nbrG2
Here is something positive. Ohio auto accidents drop down significantly due to the Wu Flu. Even the Corona chan can keep the most dangerous drivers away from the road.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ents-due-new-coronavirus-pandemic/5146034002/
Report: Ohio has seen a decrease in traffic accidents due to the new coronavirus pandemic (Archive)
In Canada land parliament is on FIRE and the Conservatives are ripping the Liberal stimulus proposal apart.
The lack of testing, mismanaged criteria for small businesses to acquire loans, and the extension of the lock-down is really getting tense in the house. They decided to extend the lock down in Ontario BY ANOTHER 28 DAYS. Ontario is the second worst hit province in the country, and the Federal projections of death where actually way lower than the real figures that came out; It is tearing through our nursing homes currently, IS CANADA FLATTING THE CURVE? Testing in Ontario has been abysmal, but thankfully they approved the Spartan COVID-19 tests with in the last week or so, so very soon we are going to see a huge up-peak in testing. Right now they are only giving these quick tests in the hospital to medical staff, and any incoming patients. The incoming patient thing is accendotal, my aunt just had surgery this week, and ended up getting the quick 15 minute COVID test before surgery. The community I am in so far has seemed to respect the social distancing protcols, businesses are still shut down, lines at the grocery store now have the 2 meter distance rule, and lines at the LCBO are memetastic that the lines are so fucking long it is insane.
Here is another favourite video of mine that Pierre fucking grilled Freeland over the handling of the intelligence, she in typical exceptional fashion dodged the question.

WE'VE HAD OUR OWN PROTESTS OVER THE WEEKEND and most of the people are being called conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers; Despite that some of the points demonstrated about the lock downs are some what valid. Though, the social distancing orders are enforced, and the RCMP and OPP have been fining people for breaking the rules in my province. Ford has handled this crisis the most adequately I would have to say, and I am looking forward to the eventual lifting of these restrictions with in the next couple of months. A lot of the ministers seem hesitant on jumping the gun or quarantine, but it seems to me that from the trends in the infection rate and death rate, safe to say that May is going to be Canada's peak. Testing as stated earlier has been fucking brutal, and it is super difficult to get a test STILL in Ontario. It takes an average of 5-7 days to get your test results back under the current model, hence our remarkably convenient low infection rate. Our infection and death rate obviously will not mirror the US by a long shot, because our population density, also we implemented our lock down measures a week or two earlier than the US. Still I would like to see testing ramped up and the eventual end to this lock-down so I can go back to work.

A lot of people are very angry at the prime minister because his handling of the situation has been poor. Our populace has been watching the American's response in shock, but people in Canada don't understand the vastness of the US, let alone he whole notion of "civil liberties," because our constitution and charter mirrors the bill of rights in certain aspects, but freedoms are limited in Canada. Our politicians by the day are getting called out now by being China-com shills and safe the say this virus has united the right more than ever. Also I see that our take on the hybrid social-capitalist system being some what changed after the Trudeau administration has committed it's terror. I still wish the opposition took their opportunity to take a vote of no confidence, but I think they are just letting Trudeau keep burying his own grave at this point. I wish this Pierre guy was going for the conservative party lead opposed to Sheer, Sheer is such a fucking idiot. If anything the name Trudeau will go down as the darkest era in Canadian history, as much as I despised Harper's dopiness and neo-con tendencies, and China cock sucking. He makes Harper era look like the golden age, despite how much of the China infiltration and resource extraction they have taken from our country. The Health Minister by the day looks worse and is losing credibility more and more, and considering COVID blew up in the nursing homes the way it did, it's safe to say that her position needs to be challenged, and changed for A REAL DOCTOR. All things aside, I am now going to go back in the other COVID thread to rip on Drain doomer train sperg some more, hope his fat ass comes back in for more humor.
In Canada land parliament is on FIRE and the Conservatives are ripping the Liberal stimulus proposal apart:
1. BY ANOTHER 28 DAYS (Archive)
2. IS CANADA FLATTING THE CURVE? (Archive)
Here is another favourite video of mine that Pierre fucking grilled Freeland over the handling of the intelligence, she in typical exceptional fashion dodged the question:
3.WE'VE HAD OUR OWN PROTESTS OVER THE WEEKEND (Archive)
Innit funny how each time some nurse, doctor, professor or something comes out saying how the government's murdering everyone and is shit at its job it's always some left wing lunatic that the BBC fails to declare the political allegiances of?
always some left wing lunatic that the BBC fails to declare the political allegiances of? (Archive)
INSIDER article: Source (Archive)
BBC, not even fucking trying now..

Tories now monitoring this blatant bullshit very, very closely to the point "reform of the license fee" might become "rip its throat out now and stop this cancer pretending to be a broadcaster."
BBC, not even fucking trying now. (Archive)
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There was a video about this that I came across. I can't find it right now unfortunately, if I do I'll post it later. I also wanted to do a post on the whole Esri/Google thing with that black heatmap with the red dots that everyone and their mother has been using. When you'd type "Coronavirus" or "Covid-19" into Youtube, the Livestream of the Esri/Google heatmap was the first thing that show up. It's only very recently that they put other videos on top but it's still in the top three hits for those search terms.
Don't:
Esri/Google thing with that black heatmap with the red dots that everyone and their mother has been using. (Archive)
PDF document: https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099(20)30120-1
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My boss has gotten involved with a client’s business via a fuck-tonne of Chinese PPE. This is skeevy enough as is, but a box he had me give to a very long-time client had a big, red, heart-shaped sticker on it with script on it colored like the PRC’s flag. Can someone that can read Chinese DM me so I figure out what kind of fly-by-night propaganda bullshit they’ve fallen into?
 
Sodium Laureth Sulphate has papers written on its ability to break up the phospholipid bilayer in viral capsids. It may well be that fat+caustic soda will produce compounds that can do that, I'm not sure. But SLS is so incredibly common in cheap soaps and shampoos and it looks like it's been tested, why not just buy those?
If you are confined to quarters have to stay home it's a simple thing to make soap as opposed to hunting it down and weeping when it's nowhere to be found. But sure shampoo, powered/liquid detergent can all be used in a pinch.
 
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If you are confined to quarters have to stay home it's a simple thing to make soap as opposed to hunting it down and weeping when it's nowhere to be found. But sure shampoo, powered/liquid detergent can all be used in a pinch.

The issue though is not getting soap, it's getting something which has a good chance of deactivating the viral particles. SLS would do that. Some soap you make yourself might do but it might not.

The woman wasn't crying because she couldn't get soap. She was crying because she couldn't get a soap which could keep her kids safe from the WuFlu. The biochemist helpfully pointed out that SLS is in everything and the odds of it deactivating WuFlu virions is very good given that it is known to deactivate other viruses.

I think any soap or detergent would work but I'd prefer one with an active ingredient for which I can find a peer-reviewed paper telling me it works.
 
My boss has gotten involved with a client’s business via a fuck-tonne of Chinese PPE. This is skeevy enough as is, but a box he had me give to a very long-time client had a big, red, heart-shaped sticker on it with script on it colored like the PRC’s flag. Can someone that can read Chinese DM me so I figure out what kind of fly-by-night propaganda bullshit they’ve fallen into?

Can you post the picture, please? Can read a certain number of Chinese characters.

In other news, looks like anyone getting unemployment, no matter how little they get, at least in CA, is getting the full $600/week from the Feds. Stepdaughter was getting about $150/week. Got extra $600/week for the last two weeks, so instead of a $300 unemployment payment got $1500. Whoa!

Price of crude oil still going down, just over $18/barrel right now, per WSJ.

Some interesting articles from today's Reason feed...













 
Gov Inslee has been suffering from a bad case of the TDS ever since this coronavirus thing really took off. He is absolutely seething that Trump has called him out several times for being unreasonable and, frankly annoying. Either work with the feds or don't, but you cannot cry when the feds say "Hey maybe don't talk shit about us 24/7 on Twitter and news stations, thanks." WA was given everything, even though Inslee is a little bitch. WA didn't even need the navy ship, or the ventilators, but they got them anyway. Despite this, Inslee is still ranting about Trump on Twitter and really this one takes the cake:

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I'm assuming he was wiping away furious tears as he wrote this.

EDIT: A little while after posting this, Inslee jumped on CNN (with Wolf Blitzer of all people) to cry moar. He is intensely booty bothered, but I don't know why
 
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Ben Shapiro points out that Pelosi blocking funding for small businesses after the whole $20K fridge fiasco is a bad move

https://archive.vn/6oeoS

 
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