Opinion Dune's Paul Atreides should be non-binary - Troon spergs about Dune

Dune’s Paul Atreides Should Be Non-Binary
Emmet Asher-Perrin
Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:00pm
If you have read Dune or watched any of its on-screen iterations, then you know all about Paul Atreides. The son of Duke Leto and Lady Jessica, trained in the Bene Gesserit ways, adopted by the fremen of Arrakis to become the legendary Muad’Dib. Paul is the culmination of a deeply unsettling eugenics program to create something called the Kwisatz Haderach, a being who can see into the future and project himself backwards and forwards in time.
And he could have been science fiction’s best known non-binary protagonist.

According to the plot of Dune, the Kwisatz Haderach had to be created via millennia of special breeding directives from the Bene Gesserit sisterhood. The all-female organization was working toward what all great shadowy organizations work toward—absolute power, namely their own puppet on the throne as emperor. Wrapped up in this desire was also a long-standing problem; spice offered the sisterhood some prescience and race memory, with the Reverend Mothers capable of looking back in time through the line of other sisters… but they could not access the male knowledge and experience in their past. It was believed that the Kwisatz Haderach would be able to look into their full history, both sides of their race memory, and also to see far into the future.
This figure was meant to arrive a generation after Paul—his mother was supposed to have a daughter who would wed the Harkonnen male heir, producing the Kwisatz Haderach. But Jessica went against the sisterhood, giving her partner Duke Leto the son he wanted, and somehow, this resulted in the fated figure appearing ahead of schedule. Paul took the water of life, a poison from the sandworms that the Reverend Mother is capable of changing, and learned of his destiny, saying:
“There is in each of us an ancient force that takes and an ancient force that gives. A man finds little difficulty facing that place within himself where the taking force dwells, but it’s almost impossible for him to see into the giving force without changing into something other than man. For a woman, the situation is reversed.”
According to Paul, he is the fulcrum between those two points, able to give without taking and take without giving. That is what makes him the Kwisatz Here’s the thing: The world of Dune is bound by an essentialist gender binary that doesn’t do the story many favors, despite its careful and often inspired worldbuilding. Aside from the fact that gender isn’t a binary, the insistence upon it isn’t a clever story juxtaposition that makes for great themes and plot. It’s an antiquated perspective that reads as out of place, especially in such a far-flung future. This is especially true when you couch maleness as a “taking” force and femaleness as a “giving” force. Men and women are not naturally those things because people overall are not that easily categorized—they are expected to be those things by society. Stating it as some form of spiritual truth, as Dune does, is an awkward declaration that only gets more awkward as time passes.
In addition, Dune is a story that spends much of its narrative currency on battles between binaries. They crop up everywhere in the book: the tension between the Bene Gesserit and the Mentats; the age-old feud between Houses Harkonnen and Atreides; the conditioning of Arrakis’ fremen forces against the conditioning of the Emperor’s sardaukar; the struggle between the ruling houses and the spacing guild. While there are countless groups vying for power, and the political complexities of that do not go unnoticed, Dune still dwells on that ‘A vs B’ dynamic in all the places where it really counts. Without these binary antagonisms, the tale wouldn’t function.
For a story so taken with binaries, there is something arresting about Paul balancing male and female aspects as an implicit factor to being the Kwisatz Haderach. The real confusion lies in the idea that the Kwisatz Haderach always had to be male, as though counterbalancing generations of Bene Gesserit sisters; if the figure is meant to be a fulcrum between those two specific genders, then their own gender should be insignificant. More importantly, if that is the nature of being the Kwisatz Haderach, then coming into that power should ultimately change one’s perception and person entirely. If you’re going to be the balancing point between dual genders, then why would you be solely either of those genders? Paul literally says that being able to do what he does changes him into “something other than man.” It doesn’t make him a woman, clearly, so what’s the alternative here?
It would have been a sharper assertion for Paul to have awoken into a different gender entirely, perhaps genderfluidity or even a lack of gender altogether. This wouldn’t have altered his key actions within the narrative, but it would have added another dimension to his journey. A non-binary protagonist for a story that obsesses over binary thinking would have been a stunning wrench to throw into the works. In many ways, it would have made more thematic sense than what Dune currently offers its readers.
While the upcoming film is unlikely to go that route, it’s tantalizing to think of the story that might have been, of all the possibilities contained therein. A story set in the future that accounted for the complexities of gender identity and how it might pertain to an awakening of consciousness and purpose. Even if Paul was the first person in their time period to consider non-binary gender, that would be a powerful statement that would shape their reality for centuries to come. Perhaps others would embrace non-binary identities to honor Muad’Dib, or it would become a sacred way of being, looked upon with religious fervor due to Paul’s importance. And there are further questions as to how that would have affected the sequels as well—would Leto II also have gone that route? He turns into a sandworm, you can’t tell me they’ve got clear and separated binary genders. They’re worms. In the sand. Try again.
In a story that turns on binaries, particularly as they pertain to gender, it would have changed the whole scheme to consider Paul as a non-binary protagonist. Moreover, it would have been fascinating to see how his perspective changed as a result of being that fulcrum, not just as it related to time, but as it related to people. While the story is quick to zero in on what Paul sees in the flow of time, his “terrible purpose” in putting humanity on the Golden Path, there is no consideration for how this shift in state might effect how he sees other humans. It’s a missed opportunity to really explore what absolute power would look like in a being who can project himself into the experiences of men and women equally. Would he understand his mother better than before? His sister?
It’s not the story that we have, but there will always be a part of my mind preoccupied with these possibilities. Because it’s fun, and because it’s intriguing, and because I will always wonder about what the world would look like if more people didn’t take the concept of binaries for granted.

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Don't put the ridiculous musings of a Tor writer on the film. Villeneuve has said nothing this stupid concerning it.
 
Timothee chalamet is the worst and he has connections to woody Allen
I used to have a similar opinion, then I watched him as Henry V in the 'The King'. Watching the sudden change from sullen teenager to rage fueled killer was gripping. I think he'll be perfect for Dune.

Also even if he was to play non binary, wouldn't the trannies object because he's not non binary in real life? Wasn't that what happened with Scarlett Johansson in Rub and Tug? I suspect the producers know that there's no point engaging with the trannies at any level.
 
Variations of "I have become more than a man" has been used so many times throughout all kinds of media that it's difficult to understand how they immediately jumped to idpolitics. They are such tragically shallow people.

Doesn't this crowd get upset any time an antagonist or flawed hero happen to be one of the alphabet people? Since they don't read I'm sure they don't know the extent Paul goes to with his powers and plans.
 
I like how this person has actually read God Emperor and still thinks Paul’s “more than a man” schtick is about gender. It’s about having the powers of a fucking god

I have a lot of hope for this adaptation of Dune, mainly because I thought Blade Runner 2049 was absolutely jaw dropping. I think Villeneuve can pull this off. I don’t think it will be as wonderfully alien as the Lynch one, but I think the studio will also fuck it up less.
 
Ahh, yes, I’m sure a group of militant desert-hardened space Muslims would absolutely be willing to follow a troon leader.

Perhaps others would embrace non-binary identities to honor Muad’Dib, or it would become a sacred way of being, looked upon with religious fervor due to Paul’s importance.

Really, the whole article is just a smokescreen to allow this person to have their own headwank that people might actually respect his whiny ass.
 
It's been a while since I read Dune, and I hated that book because of how convoluted and padded it was, but isn't Paul like nine years old?
 
It took them this long to get to Dune? This dudes entire schtick is that he's a male with access to a bunch of girls only magical powers.

And it took them this long to figure it out? Get good tranny nerds

Look up "feminist critique of Dune." The trannies are simply late to the party.

I didn't think the bene gesserit wanted to rule, they wanted someone that could augment their strategies with a male perspective. Except he fore-saw that there was only one way to save humanity.

Also Leto II was the worst Tyrant in the history of mankind. Do they really want to hold him up as an example of what happens when "you transcend gender?"

Nah. This guy is talking out his ass because being trans doesn't offer any insight into power structures based around resource scarcity.

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It's been a while since I read Dune, and I hated that book because of how convoluted and padded it was, but isn't Paul like nine years old?

15. Partakes in the Freman orgy by the end of the first part of the book. He is 17 when he goes to war against the Emperor.

His kids take part in the Freman orgy even younger than that. I think.

Edit 2: found the correct ages.
 
"trained in the Bene Gesserit ways"

Not in the first book, and slightly true in the second one. Paul is trained by his mother, who is indeed Bene Gesserit.
By the way, which books is she talking about? 'Cause what I read covers Dune and the Messiah of Dune.
What she talks about is not contained within "Dune", the book, alone. Talk about trying to build a coherent argument there.

"Paul is the culmination of a deeply unsettling eugenics program to create something called the Kwisatz Haderach"/ "This figure was meant to arrive a generation after Paul—his mother was supposed to have a daughter who would wed the Harkonnen male heir, producing the Kwisatz Haderach."

This is fucking annoying. You don't get to mess around a story in order to manipulate the reader.
Paul Atréides is a mistake in the Kwisatz Haderach plan. Jessica Atréides was meant to give birth to a girl, which was then supposed to be wed to the Harkonnen, which would then give birth to the Kwisatz Haderach. Jessica's love for the Duke made her give birth to a boy rather a girl. It is clearly explained in the opening chapters.
No other selective reading is tolerable. You get the full version and appreciate its beauty, or you don't.

Moreover, reading Dune with modern-day judgement is an invitation to madness.

" that would be a powerful statement that would shape their reality for centuries to come "

No. What that writer fails to understand is that Muad'dib is not powerful. He is in fact powerless, sentenced by his own powers to try and guide the flow of history in a way that kills the least amount of people.
-Even as he becames the emperor of the known universe, he remains unable to wed Chani and is forced to marry Princess Irulan.
-The Jihad that the Fremen starts in his name: he can't even put them on a leash, and they commit massive massacres
-The Golden Path that he sees in front of him is the only way to ensure humanity's survival. His refusal merely means a delay, as Leto II will realize that plan.

" “something other than man.” It doesn’t make him a woman, clearly, so what’s the alternative here? "

A puppet of fate that brings suffering to those that he loves, which is why he ultimately flees to the desert.

"This wouldn’t have altered his key actions within the narrative, but it would have added another dimension to his journey. "

It would have affected his relationship with Chani, who is an essential part to what Muad'did is.

This is painful to read: Dune is a wonderful universe, filled with deep characters and which has inspired much of science-fiction ( Especially 40k ).
I guess I'm going to ignore the coming movie, replay Dune 2000 and reread the books when I feel masochistic.
 
I like how this person has actually read God Emperor and still thinks Paul’s “more than a man” schtick is about gender. It’s about having the powers of a fucking god

I have a lot of hope for this adaptation of Dune, mainly because I thought Blade Runner 2049 was absolutely jaw dropping. I think Villeneuve can pull this off. I don’t think it will be as wonderfully alien as the Lynch one, but I think the studio will also fuck it up less.

As spectacular as Lynch's Dune looked, it was a complete mess. I don't blame the studio for insisting that there be some form of coherent narrative to it, even if it had to be added by voicovers.

Also the large scale action scenes looked ridiculous and you can tell from watching it again that Lynch had little interest in them. Hence why you have Patrick Steward leading an army of obviously bewildered extras in a charge against the Sardukar with a pug under his arm.

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Sometimes it's better to think inside the box.
 
I would hope in the distant future that society will have evolved to the point we can detect non-binary fetuses in the womb and promptly terminate them.

We already have a countermeasure. It's called accepting who you are/being yourself and not pandering to wacko propaganda. A return to those days would be nice.
 
"trained in the Bene Gesserit ways"

Not in the first book, and slightly true in the second one. Paul is trained by his mother, who is indeed Bene Gesserit.
By the way, which books is she talking about? 'Cause what I read covers Dune and the Messiah of Dune.
What she talks about is not contained within "Dune", the book, alone. Talk about trying to build a coherent argument there.

"Paul is the culmination of a deeply unsettling eugenics program to create something called the Kwisatz Haderach"/ "This figure was meant to arrive a generation after Paul—his mother was supposed to have a daughter who would wed the Harkonnen male heir, producing the Kwisatz Haderach."

This is fucking annoying. You don't get to mess around a story in order to manipulate the reader.
Paul Atréides is a mistake in the Kwisatz Haderach plan. Jessica Atréides was meant to give birth to a girl, which was then supposed to be wed to the Harkonnen, which would then give birth to the Kwisatz Haderach. Jessica's love for the Duke made her give birth to a boy rather a girl. It is clearly explained in the opening chapters.
No other selective reading is tolerable. You get the full version and appreciate its beauty, or you don't.

Moreover, reading Dune with modern-day judgement is an invitation to madness.

" that would be a powerful statement that would shape their reality for centuries to come "

No. What that writer fails to understand is that Muad'dib is not powerful. He is in fact powerless, sentenced by his own powers to try and guide the flow of history in a way that kills the least amount of people.
-Even as he becames the emperor of the known universe, he remains unable to wed Chani and is forced to marry Princess Irulan.
-The Jihad that the Fremen starts in his name: he can't even put them on a leash, and they commit massive massacres
-The Golden Path that he sees in front of him is the only way to ensure humanity's survival. His refusal merely means a delay, as Leto II will realize that plan.

" “something other than man.” It doesn’t make him a woman, clearly, so what’s the alternative here? "

A puppet of fate that brings suffering to those that he loves, which is why he ultimately flees to the desert.

"This wouldn’t have altered his key actions within the narrative, but it would have added another dimension to his journey. "

It would have affected his relationship with Chani, who is an essential part to what Muad'did is.

This is painful to read: Dune is a wonderful universe, filled with deep characters and which has inspired much of science-fiction ( Especially 40k ).
I guess I'm going to ignore the coming movie, replay Dune 2000 and reread the books when I feel masochistic.
I’ve always had a small problem with the books, as I recall hearing Herbert say that the book was about the superiority of non-western cultures (and I can kind of see it, considering how unbelievably powerful the Fremen are portrayed as). Frankly, I always found the non-fremen, non-Arrakis parts of the book more interesting.
 
So this happens when a God-Emperor goes muslim and not great crusading.

His kids were born "pre awoken". They had all the experiences and powers of their father right out of the womb. They were adults in children's bodies. They were able to expertly manipulate everyone around them.

I’ve always had a small problem with the books, as I recall hearing Herbert say that the book was about the superiority of non-western cultures (and I can kind of see it, considering how unbelievably powerful the Fremen are portrayed as). Frankly, I always found the non-fremen, non-Arrakis parts of the book more interesting.

I think he was a Zen master. So that would be Japanese rather than middle East.

And the Dune series was about the rise and fall of cultures. A short ten years after the start of the Jihad, the Freman are living in suburbs, taking pills to prevent water loss and losing the old ways.

Then Leto II comes along and grinds everything away anyway.
 
I would hope in the distant future that society will have evolved to the point we can detect non-binary fetuses in the womb and promptly terminate them.
Or just throw them and the author of the article to the sandworms, where they get shredded up and turned into steaks. Two birds, one stone.
 
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