Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Ponderous Pillock]

UK Daily:

482,063 Tested (+21,626)

120,068 Positive (+5,850)

16,060 Dead (+596)

 

[Disheveled Human]

They have roughly the same amount of information about the pathology virus we do.
We here definitely know more about the virus now than they did when the lock-down went into effect.

"Because the government is doing it" isn't exactly a winning argument in this this case.

I mean its every government except sweden doing it, this has to be the first time in history this many countries collectively were on the same page that should say something.

 

[Otterly]

I’m sure that all governments have more info than they make public, but (as someone in the old medical research Disease and genetics type field) I think KF has been consistently ahead of the curve as far as publically released info goes. I know it’s been said before but some of you lot would make really, really good researchers and analysts.

Edited to add: I think sweden is doing broadly the right thing. Who can keep up the measures longest With no civil unrest? Sweden, Uk or USA? Sweden, probably.

 

[Smug Cat]

Starting in January, like many people here, I sperged out about how bad this was. That was when I thought based on given information that it might realistically overload the hospital system, kill 2 to 4% of the US population or 2 million people, cause 20% of people to need to be hospitalized, and cause severe pneumonia in even mild cases.

Now I think the death toll is less than 1% based on more information, we've seen the healthcare systems don't get overloaded at all, the number of people who need to be hospitalized with all the uncounted cases is way lower than 20%, and most people don't even get symptoms, I think I oversperged.

I'm kind of tired of this now that Bill Gates wants to be global dictator, they want to administer an experimental vaccine to the whole world, and shut down society for two years.

I would say I'm in the same boat except that I think there's ample evidence that it really is a big deal. If we look at who locked down and who didn't, health care systems getting overwhelmed, death tolls, lasting effects on survivors etc, I don't think we were wrong to panic.

What's changed is that I don't think the disease is our biggest problem anymore. I think lockdowns are/were necessary in certain places, but politicians are going haywire with a hamhanded patchwork of increasingly authoritarian orders with no end in sight and no apparent plan to get us out of it. Widespread surveillance is through the roof. Random Karen-types have been so emboldened that they're screaming at people or calling the cops because someone is walking alone outside. The whole thing has become retardedly politicized just like everything else, and the economy resembles Hiroshima in 1945.

There's nothing like a good widespread panic about an external threat to get people to support authoritarianism. Governments are suspending fundamental civil liberties with no real oversight and far too many people seem happy to let that continue indefinitely. I am deeply concerned about the freedom/safety balance being permanently pushed in the wrong direction here.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

I mean its every government except sweden doing it, this has to be the first time in history this many countries collectively were on the same page that should say something.

It says that we're led by stupid globalist fucks.

I said before many times there IS a point to the lockdowns, they protect the healthcare system and might be bloody required on areas where the system is so weak or the density so high that it's them or collapse.

But on low density areas with proper healthcare they make no sense. And now that our healthcare system is buffed and the first wave is gone they stop making sense.

You seem not to grasp just how destructive the flu would be if we had no immunity to it. Well, corona is the demonstration of how that'd go. Even the flu can overwhelm a country that's not ready for it, and our politicians are too stupid to grasp the subtler details and overreacted like idiots, it's that simple.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I mean its every government except sweden doing it, this has to be the first time in history this many countries collectively were on the same page that should say something.

And so you think that means there are long-lasting complications to WuFlu that all the world governments are collectively not telling us about?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I mean its every government except sweden doing it, this has to be the first time in history this many countries collectively were on the same page that should say something.

What it says is that all those countries don't give a shit about you earning a living to put food on the table and keeping a roof over your head. You are expendable. It's too bad if die but we'll have a national day of remembrance and celebrities will donate food and slippers to heroic nurses thank you for your sacrifice. Here's the vaccine with the nanoprobes make sure you use the Win 10 app to let us know if you're in the stable social distancing thx bai

 

[Otterly]

It IS a big deal. But it’s manageable and it’s not the andromeda strain. Total lockdown is a sledgehammer approach and it can only be the right thing to do in very specific times and places - if somewhere is spiralling out of control fast and only for very short periods of time.
The approach needs to be science informed and flexible. I can’t believe I’m defending trump and Sweden so much these days but sweden is right - you have to have a strategy that’s informed by science. Löfven is deferring to the scientists completely. That’s pretty rare. And the scientists there are not recommending lockdown. They’re saying small incremental steps and admitting where they’ve fucked up (like the old folks homes.) They’re also saying that as the situation changes the measures taken may need to change. It’s been interesting to see. I’m usually the first to dunk on sweden because they drive me insane, but here, I think they’re right.
Even more interesting is them still doing that when the WHO is leaning on them and Europe is too. There must be massive pressure to not do it, because of it works, it’s going to make everyone who was locked down ask why.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Even more interesting is them still doing that when the WHO is leaning on them and Europe is too. There must be massive pressure to not do it, because of it works, it’s going to make everyone who was locked down ask why.

There is a part of me that wonders if the reason the WHO is suddenly in favor of stringent lockdowns is because their masters in Beijing want to nuke the economies of their trading partners to prevent reprisals. After all, this was a virus that most likely escaped from a level 4 BSL due to their lackadaisical safety procedures then China covered it up and allowed it to spread worldwide.

 

[Radical Cadre]

Edited to add: I think sweden is doing broadly the right thing. Who can keep up the measures longest With no civil unrest? Sweden, Uk or USA? Sweden, probably.

Swedes are autistic drone people. Of course they'll put up with it longer than everyone else. They don't know any better and would rather everyone be austic drone Swedes.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I don't think the majority of the "open it back up" crowd is really saying that it isnt a big deal, just that its not a big enough deal to warrant the response: a double-dose of economic self-destruction countries are inflicting on themselves and blatant authoritarian power-grabs their local governments and big tech corporations are making.

The other annoying thing that is going on (here) is the Doomerist goal-post shifting.
First it was that the death rate is too high, and its going to royally screw us all over and GRANDMA WILL DIE; but then more and more information is coming out that causes the death rate to keep shrinking.
Now, its shifted to "okay so its not that lethal BUT WHAT ABOUT THE UNKNOWN LONG-TERM SIDE EFFECTS, HRRRMMM?"

 

[Disheveled Human]

I was never opposing the lifting of the lockdown or for the lockdowns to continue I do not claim to know enough to say, all I asked was if this virus can cause any long term disease in people regardless of health or age and the people in the thread said no it won't outside of what regular viral pneumonia causes, I hope they are correct on this. I do want people to get back to work ASAP who knows what the hold up is maybe countries want to procure basic PPE for the public so that it keeps the virus in check before the re-opening.

 

[Isam]

Swedes are autistic drone people. Of course they'll put up with it longer than everyone else. They don't know any better and would rather everyone be austic drone Swedes.

Putting up with not being in lockdown is pretty easy, tbh.

 

[Aib Ld]

Once again, I bring nothing new to the table but yet another thought. If this was a bioweapon, did the Chinese really expect people to just bend down to it? Everything they done on this was so blatantly obvious that I can't name a country that isn't hating China. If they wanted to make some kind of biological war, then this was probably the quickest war I ever seen, that ended before it even begun with everyone teamed up against China with weapons ready for the kill without hesitation.

 

[Bender]

If this was a bioweapon, did the Chinese really expect people to just bend down to it?

That there is an almost perfect example of a false dilemma/dichotomy.

 

[Not Really Here]

Once again, I bring nothing new to the table but yet another thought. If this was a bioweapon, did the Chinese really expect people to just bend down to it? Everything they done on this was so blatantly obvious that I can't name a country that isn't hating China. If they wanted to make some kind of biological war, then this was probably the quickest war I ever seen, that ended before it even begun with everyone teamed up against China with weapons ready for the kill without hesitation.

I don't think even QTards would say that it was an intentional release in the 'escaped from a lab' scenario.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I don't think even QTards would say that it was an intentional release in the 'escaped from a lab' scenario.

I could see a scenario where a panicked CCP functionary advised they should cover it up and blame it on some hapless vendor in the wet market and another pushed the campaign to label anyone calling them out as amateurs racist. Not saying that's what happened, just that it's possible.

 

[Not Really Here]

I could see a scenario where a panicked CCP functionary advised they should cover it up and blame it on some hapless vendor in the wet market and another pushed the campaign to label anyone calling them out as amateurs racist. Not saying that's what happened, just that it's possible.

If by "CCP functionary" you mean 'the research facility director' and by "panicked" you mean 'justly worried that everyone at the research facility and all their family members would be killed'.
Then I agree.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

If by "CCP functionary" you mean 'the research facility director' and by "panicked" you mean 'justly worried that everyone at the research facility and all their family members would be killed'.
Then I agree.

Ok but officials higher up had to get on board with it.

 

[Not Really Here]

Ok but officials higher up had to get on board with it.

Not really.
If everyone at the lab is scared of being shot along with their families, then destroy the records and shut the fuck up, how exactly would these "officials higher up" even know it happened?
Your theory here relies on the WuFlu being known in detail up the chain of command (filled with party connected semi-trained dopes), hold on a sec.

I have a small doubt.