Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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You don't get it. My point is that making the citizen pay, no matter how little, to do paperwork and take photos to obtain a card they will have to carry on them to make the state's job easier. Is absolutely abhorrent to me on principle alone. Even if it was a single god damned cent.

The rest of what you explained is even more abhorrent. But you know. That's just more hurt to add to this pile of awful.

Honestly right now I am realizing I am getting genuinely offended and it might be because after this morning tism apocalypse I'm just not all there so I'mma go lay down and relax with some Poirot, but you muricans need to get your ID and voting laws fixed already, that shit's vile.
We have to pay for ID in my country - the sum is symbolic and does not cover the actual cost of the issuance of the document. Very poor people will also have to pay for it, but they get government assistance and it's one time cost every 10 years or so. None of us pay the full price of the ID (materials, staff, back-end infrastructure, development costs) at the point of registering it, but we have an incentive to not lose it and keep it safe so we would not burden the system by registering new ones too often.
By the way, I have personal issue about you, you as in Spain, still not able to decide what's the actual format of your document numbers are over there, causing problems to everyone else. Stop fucking around and use all the numbers (+2 extras for card type and the checksum) everywhere consistently :biggrin:


True but still doesn't counter the principle that if government requires ID they they need to provide it at no charge.
It does counter the main argument, that voter ID would stop people from voting. I am saying, that it wouldn't - these people would be starving right now. These people do not exist, who would be stopped from voting for the lack of ID. If they did and you actually cared about their well-being, you would have an immediate concern about them - you would try to get them ID now, maybe pay for it yourself, since they would be starving. You would not stress about some future hypothetical situation, where they could not cast a ballot. I do not see campaigns about paying for people ID-s, so they could get assistance from the government - can you cite me one? Meaning, ID is not an issue - people can get the ID and they can afford it, one way or other, making the argument against voter ID moot.
 
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We have to pay for ID in my country - the sum is symbolic and does not cover the actual cost of the issuance of the document. Very poor people will also have to pay for it, but they get government assistance and it's one time cost every 10 years or so. None of us pay the full price of the ID (materials, staff, back-end infrastructure, development costs) at the point of registering it, but we have an incentive to not lose it and keep it safe so we would not burden the system by registering new ones too often.
By the way, I have personal issue about you, you as in Spain, still not able to decide what's the actual format of your document numbers are over there, causing problems to everyone else. Stop fucking around and use all the numbers (+2 extras for card type and the checksum) everywhere consistently :biggrin:

Staying consistent with formatting in official documents. What do you think we are? SANE?!
 
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So long term effects are hitting the hospital. Hiring freeze along with a suspension of upcoming pay increase negotiations. OT has also been shut down across the board. Why? No money coming in and having to fund everyone who is missing work. Hope everyone enjoyed the gravy train while it lasted, the frills are going away.
No dude they're all super busy and don't even have time to post on tiktok! A sped on here told me so! Are you telling me they're full of shit?
 
It does counter the main argument, that voter ID would stop people from voting. I am saying, that it wouldn't - these people would be starving right now. These people do not exist, who would be stopped from voting for the lack of ID. If they did and you actually cared about their well-being, you would have an immediate concern about them - you would try to get them ID now, maybe pay for it yourself, since they would be starving. You would not stress about some future hypothetical situation, where they could not cast a ballot. I do not see campaigns about paying for people ID-s, so they could get assistance from the government - can you cite me one? Meaning, ID is not an issue - people can get the ID and they can afford it, one way or other, making the argument against voter ID moot.

'Here is one person we found living on the streets, semi-insane with no ID, fukkin owned.'
Or eliminate the argument by supplying the government mandated ID via normal tax funded appropriation.


Remember you are arguing with people who think this is a lolworthy argument-

And that's not even a normie sharing crap on Facebook.
 
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Fucking R.I.P. to this particular Editor of the Global Times. Dude just accidentally admitted (A) that Tank Man existed and that the Tienanmen Square Massacre actually happened.
And that doesn't even get into how bad of a comparison that is. Is that US government Dodge filled with soldiers breaking up a protest?

The people in the car are the protesters. The guy on the street is also a protester. Fuck yeah USA!
 
UK Daily:

535,342 Tested (+18,206)

129,044 Positive (+4,301)

17,337 Dead (+823)
Ok, UK's week 15 mortality figures just dropped - 80% or 8K increase in deaths normal for this time of year for the last 5 years average.
So current Kung Flu adjacent or caused mortality is about 1.1K per day in UK for week ending on 10th of April.
Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...nalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
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Jesus christ almighty that's a spike in deaths! Any info on what happened to cause it?

Yes.

There are less people about to register the deaths at the weekends, and registrars are being worked surprisingly hard as is during this.

We've been seeing this for a while, where deaths drop about 2-300 or so on the monday figures as it compensates for Sunday. A lot of these are then added later on.

I'm hoping

When I registered my mother's death, it was actually two weeks after she'd passed away, so there's probably quite a bit more lag in these figures than we honestly realise.
 
WARNING. DUMBFUCKERY OF THE DAY! OH GOD WHY!

Hey. Remember how we've been talking about accelerating our way out. Remember how I mentioned that Fernando Simon was pushing for people to be able to go excercize 1 by 1 (enforcing separation) or parent+kid (excercizing separation with everyone else)

Well our glorious healthcare minister Salvador Illa. The catalonian with a philosophy degree from a diploma mill I talked about. Has finally showcased his IMPRESSIVE interpretation. And by that I mean impressively hilarious!

If it passes tomorrow in congress. Which the opposition and even most allied parts of the government (it's a coalition) have said it won't. From now on kids will be allowed to go with their parents to the supermarket, job, CARING ABOUT THE ELDERLY, hospital visits, etc.

Yeah. That's right. Instead of letting them excercize on the streets he wants them to go with their parents to do the things the parents are allowed to do. Because sticking a buncha superspreaders on supermarkets, hospitals and elderly care centers won't immediately backfire! Again I'm glad to inform far from being offended it seems most of social media I check is LAUGHING THEIR ASSES OFF at this. And I am wholeheartedly part of that. Dear Illa:
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Ok, UK's week 15 mortality figures just dropped - 80% or 8K increase in deaths normal for this time of year for the last 5 years average.
So current Kung Flu adjacent or caused mortality is about 1.1K per day in UK for week ending on 10th of April.
Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...nalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
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Again, like the previous week, the "Deaths with Covid mentioned on the death certificate" is less than the increase above the normal rate. You'd expect it to be more than the increase , as some of the old folks deaths must be replacements that would have happened anyway.
So what is going on? Dying by Covid, but not getting recorded as such? Or dying for other reasons, i.e. Healthcare disruption, economy disruption, Lockdown madness?

18,516 - Weekly deaths
10,520 - usual weekly deaths
6,213 - Deaths directly mentioning Covid

Weekly death figures are the interesting pure data. "Covid Deaths" can be recorded very differently between different countries. As can Numbers of infected. But anywhere except China, the overall death rate will be there for all to see.
The UK is Up 60% for W/E 03-Apr, up 80% for W/E 10-Apr. Have other countries' posters got equivalent figures from their ONS?

Again, the spreadsheet has a lot of data on different tabs for analysis. Age breakdown for instance. We still have not lost anyone under 15 years old, and only 5 people aged 15-19.
 

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Again, like the previous week, the "Deaths with Covid mentioned on the death certificate" is less than the increase above the normal rate. You'd expect it to be more than the increase , as some of the old folks deaths must be replacements that would have happend anyway.
So what is going on? Dying by Covid, but not getting recorded as such? Or dying for other reasons, i.e. Healthcare disruption, economy disruption, Lockdown madness?

18,516 - Weekly deaths
10,520 - usual weekly deaths
6,213 - Deaths directly mentioning Covid

Weekly death figures are the interesting pure data. "Covid Deaths" can be recorded very differently between different countries. As can Numbers of infected. But anywhere except China, the overall death rate will be there for all to see. Up 60% for W/e 03-Apr, up 80% for W/E 10-Apr.
Have other countries' posters got equivalent figures from their ONS?

Again, the spreadsheet has a lot of data on different tabs for analysis. Age breakdown for instance. We still have lost anyone under 15 years old, and only 5 people aged 15-19.

You would also need to consider people staying at home more and not partaking in the more risky activities like driving related fatalities, drowning, getting hit by cars, kids doing dumb shit and dying because they wanted to jump off the jungle gym, social gatherings leading to altercations involving death ect... If there was no virus on the loose and they locked people down you would expect less then average deaths IMO.
 
Increasingly, traders are looking offshore. Lease rates have soared for very large crude carriers, the 2-million-barrel high-seas behemoths known as VLCCs.

exxon Valdez II when?

I know this is how markets work, but that is just insane. It reads like some kind of surrealist comedy. We can’t stop the oil being pumped so we pay people to shove it on boats and store it, at vast cost, because the cost of shoving it on a boat and letting that drift around is cheaper than... I mean god it’s barmy. It’s like something out of a Joseph heller novel.
Who wants to bet on one of these tankers being hired when it’s just a bit too old and not properly maintained, or shortages of staff or a COVID outbreak on board, and a disaster ensues.
The world has gone mad. Maybe it’s always been mad, but this, the plague and kim Wrong’un eating himself to a cheese related coronary have just made me think that we have slipped into some other dimension. What next?
 
Walked up to Walmart this morning.

First thing you see are arrows on the floor supposedly directing you in the way to walk through the store. Entrances to some aisles have green "This way" stickers and others have "No entry" stickers, universally ignored by customers and employees alike. Also blue stickers on the floor in many places reminding people to stay six feet apart. Most people tend to have a bit of distance between themselves and strangers anyway. Nobody was being hassled for any "distance violations".

Lots of water. Improved supply of paper products. Fair supply of toilet paper, brand-name and Walmart brand. Fair supply of paper towels, both national brand and Walmart. Some tissues and paper napkins.

Milk supply good, but still a shortage of butter and margarine. Bread supply good. Egg supply okay, one carton to a customer. Fresh meat/poultry supply okay, frozen meat/poultry supply okay, as well. Still a shortage of frozen desserts. None of my Outshine bars.

Was looking for vitamin C for my wife. For some reason there are shortages of many vitamins. Finally found something. Got the other things I needed and left.

From what I have seen, Walmart employees aren't fucking with customers, unlike some Costco employees.

Got back home, ran into some neighbors who have a cleaning business. Their business has gone way down. They have a cleaning contract at the nearby state university. Since no students, no need for cleaning. In the meantime they're out hustling for jobs. They haven't gotten a stimulus check, either.

Tried IRS website's tool to check on stimulus check. Same old shit. "We can't tell if you are eligible based on information we have." And that's all, cannot input bank info for direct deposit. My ass. To be sure, there was a shitload of pressure to get as many payments in people's hands as soon as possible. This means not all features of the distribution have been properly developed and tested. If nothing else, we'll end up getting paper checks. Whatever. Will be glad to see the payment any time and in any form. Just mighty grateful we can do without it, if need be. Am sorry for those who desperately need this payment for food, etc, and have had the same problems we're having.

In the "hoist upon his own petard" department, check out the mayor of Los Angeles, whining like a little bitch over city worker furloughs and city budget problems. Yet this cocksucker has threatened more than once to keep extending house arrest for L.A. Dude, lighten up on the house arrest. Get people back to work and paying taxes. Maybe you won't have such city budget problems. Hope President Trump doesn't give him a penny. NFG here.


 
This was an interesting read (as seen on another forum, no sauce listed)

Why Oil Is $1 a Barrel Now but Much More in Autumn

The price for a barrel of West Texas Intermediate crude to be delivered next month plunged 93% to $1.21 in Monday’s trading, the lowest price since the futures contract was launched in 1983. If that barrel were to be delivered to a buyer in November, it would be worth more than twenty five times as much.

The unusually large difference in price between oil now and then has traders filling up tankers and setting them adrift. The bet is that the coronavirus pandemic runs its course and later this year demand for oil—and thus its price—will jump.

Some may have little else to do with their oil other than put it on a boat, given the historic collapse in transportation fuel demand that has accompanied shelter-in-place orders around the world aimed at slowing the spread of the deadly virus. Producers have been running out of places to send crude as refineries choke back their output to match the meager demand for gasoline or jet fuel.

The price gap widened Monday with expiration of the May futures contract set for Tuesday. The price of oil futures converge with the price of actual barrels of oil as the delivery date of the contracts approach.

“If you can find storage, you can make good money,” said Reid I’Anson, economist for market-data firm Kpler Inc.

Increasingly, traders are looking offshore. Lease rates have soared for very large crude carriers, the 2-million-barrel high-seas behemoths known as VLCCs.

The average day rate for a VLCC on a six-month contract is about $100,000, up from $29,000 a year ago, according to Jefferies analyst Randy Giveans. Yearlong contracts are about $72,500 a day, compared with $30,500 a year ago. Spot charter rates have risen sixfold, to nearly $150,000 a day.

Day rates rise as the spread between oil-futures contracts widens. The basic math is that every dollar in the six-month spread equates to an additional $10,000 a day that can be paid for a VLCC over that time without wiping out all the oil-price gains, Mr. Giveans said.

May delivery futures of Brent crude, the international benchmark typically used to price waterborne oil, ended Friday at $28.08 a barrel. The contract for November delivery settled at $37.17. The $9.09 difference wouldn’t justify a $100,000 day rate, but the record spread of $13.45 reached on March 31 does.

At the end of March there were about 109 million barrels of oil stowed at sea, according to Kpler. By Friday it was up to 141 million barrels.

The collapse in current oil prices, combined with the expectations that a lot of economic activity will resume by autumn, has resulted in a market condition called contango—in which prices for a commodity are higher in the future than they are in the present.

One of the great trades in modern history involved steep contango and a lot of oil tankers. In 1990, Phibro, the oil-trading arm of Salomon Brothers, loaded tankers with cheap crude just before Iraq invaded neighboring Kuwait and crude prices surged. The trade’s architect, Andy Hall, became known for a $100 million payday and bought a century-old castle in Germany.

Present market conditions have inspired emulators.

In the past four weeks, nearly 50 long-term contracts have been signed for VLCCs, Mr. Giveans said. Jefferies has identified more than 30 of them as being intended for storage, usually because they are leased without discharge locations. The coast of South Africa offers popular anchorage since it is relatively equidistant to markets in Asia, Europe and the Americas.

“We’ve seen more floating-storage contracts signed for 12 months in last three weeks than we’ve seen in the last three years,” Mr. Giveans said.

Companies that own and operate pipelines and oil-storage facilities could gain as well.

Consider the difference between Friday’s prices for West Texas Intermediate to be delivered in May, which was $18.27 a barrel, and in May 2021, which closed at $35.52: A $17.25 spread could be locked in by buying contracts for oil to be delivered next month and then selling contracts for delivery a year later.

Assuming monthly costs for storage owners of 10 cents a barrel—as Bernstein Research analysts did when they ran back-of-the-envelope storage math in a recent note to clients—leaves a profit of $16.05 a barrel.

Companies don’t usually disclose unused storage capacity, but it is possible that bigger players such as Energy Transfer LP, Enterprise Products Partners LP and Plains All American Pipeline LP could have room for tens of millions of barrels, the Bernstein analysts said.

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So basically, if you could find somewhere to put the shit right now, you could make major bank this fall. Kiwi Farms Supertanker, anyone?
And while not a tree-hugger, it doesn't seem like anyone is considering the environmental ramifications of having all this crude oil sitting in supertankers in the meantime. All's it would take is (due to either terrorism or mechanical failure) for a couple of these supertankers to go tits up and it would make the Exxon Valdez spill look like a tiny dog and pony show.

CoronaChan could certainly work in other ways to off the population.
So, any chances this turns into an investment bubble?
 
You would also need to consider people staying at home more and not partaking in the more risky activities like driving related fatalities, drowning, getting hit by cars, kids doing dumb shit and dying because they wanted to jump off the jungle gym, social gatherings leading to altercations involving death ect... If there was no virus on the loose and they locked people down you would expect less then average deaths IMO.
I agree, but in the UK those kind of accidental violent deaths are pretty damm rare. People die of old age and disease.
Car accidents are about 40 deaths a week. Kids aged 1->20 is 22 for this weeks figures, all causes. Even if they disabppeared completely, it'd just be noise in these numbers.
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So , something is killing more older people than usual . But not getting recorded as COVID. I'm guessing for one of those 3,898 people over the age of 90 with shit loads of pre-existing conditions who died that week then there's no guarantee that Corona will get credited with the assist.
 
Unsure if this goes here or not, but there's already been infodumps on the emails and passwords of organizations associated with the Wuhan Virus. Apologies if this has already been covered, this appears to have been a recent discovery. The whole 'Splicing with HIV' stuff is spookie


edit: I am a retard who doesn't know how to read, sorry.
 
So, any chances this turns into an investment bubble?

Roll the dice is more like it IMHO. At negative numbers, they are paying you to take it. But as the article elaborates, you have to pay to store it somewhere and you can see how those prices skyrocketed.

Add to the dice roll that we don't really know that Ms. Chan will be kissed and tucked neatly into bed by fall. Or, what the new normal will be as far as daily oil usage will be. I suspect it will stay well below previous usage even as things open back up. Isn't like flipping a light switch back on.

So, I'm more inclined to see it all as a gamble rather than an investment bubble. But even gambles can have a huge payout. Do you feel lucky?
 
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