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Bender said:
What if the timeline fuckery brings in bosses from other games, like that pervy octopus from FF6?
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You molest one girl and you're a bad octopus forever?

Anyway, the more I think about it, there's a real chance Aeris lives. Foreshadowing her death constantly feels like a commentary on how players can't pretend not to know she dies. And it seems likely to be paid off by her living or being revived. But there's a bigger chance she still dies, either the same exact way or a different way to troll the audience.
 
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So the shoulder number dudes are all ancient clones and they basically had their backstory be what happened in Alien Resurrection.

This game has quite a few really hard bosses, the shit you had to go through to get up to Pride and Joy was pretty bad, Marlborro was hard, this is moreso than others I remember. 12 you could get through many of the end game and post game bosses real easily with all the changes they made to the HD re-release.


Berrakh said:
Anyway, the more I think about it, there's a real chance Aeris lives. Foreshadowing her death constantly feels like a commentary on how players can't pretend not to know she dies. And it seems likely to be paid off by her living or being revived. But there's a bigger chance she still dies, either the same exact way or a different way to troll the audience.
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It would be funny if she uses the knife she was given in the small sub scene and she turns around and stabs Sepiroth instead.

You already had the Helicopter scene with the Turks doing the whole NOTHIN' PERSONAL thing.
 
Pee Wee Herman said:
I just think they botched his entire character reveal entirely. He shows up at the beginning and doesn't appear until the very end. What was the point of that one scene where they show him walking through the Shinra lobby but only his lower body? That was stupid. The game doesn't even explain why he's a threat.
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Not gonna lie, that scene confused me too until that later scene with Hojo later rambling on about how he would like to meet Aerith and Sephiroth's offspring. It was at that point that I stupidly thought for one horrifying moment that Sephiroth was actually going to rape Aerith.
 
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Berrakh said:
Anyway, the more I think about it, there's a real chance Aeris lives. Foreshadowing her death constantly feels like a commentary on how players can't pretend not to know she dies. And it seems likely to be paid off by her living or being revived. But there's a bigger chance she still dies, either the same exact way or a different way to troll the audience.
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I said I wouldn't speculate...but...I have to say the only way I could possibly find the rest of this Remake to be even remotely interesting is if say there somehow are multiple timelines (at least 2) and/or versions of the characters, and somehow for whatever reason, the characters from either timeline have to confront one another because they believe their own actions will either save themselves/their timeline only at the expense of any other timeline(s) or will save all timelines but at the cost of certain characters. Otherwise, what emotional resonance is this series supposed to have other than nostalgia which you could have achieved anyway if they just faithfully remade the game?

Bunny Tracks said:
Not gonna lie, that scene confused me too until that later scene with Hojo later rambling on about how he would like to meet Aerith and Sephiroth's offspring.
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A bit off topic, but I really never really understood Shinra's intentions with Aeris even including using her to find the Promised Land though that I could forgive in general just so there is a story (that and it comes across as so cliche in a villainous way I like it). I know that they (well everyone but Hojo I believe) believe Sephiroth was an Ancient himself and thus could take care of the company's desires, but then he disappears about 4 or 5 years prior to the events of the main game leaving Aeris as the only card left for them to play. This begs the questions

1) If they were going to breed or perhaps clone (which I'm guessing they can't because otherwise they should have tried doing so with her mother's body) Aeris anyway, then why didn't they do that years ago prior to the events of the game; and

2) Why does it seem they waited so long to command either Aeris or Sephiroth to tell them where the Promised Land was (Note : ignore that neither character can actually do that though I'm sure Shinra doesn't know or probably care that they can't)?

There doesn't seem to be anything plausibly holding them back to do either.

Edit : Also way off topic...but that is pretty cute and funny.


Aeris summons Bahamut and bid and waves him goodbye after raining death and destruction on her enemies.
 
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verissimus said:
2) Why does it seem they waited so long to command either Aeris or Sephiroth to tell them where the Promised Land was (Note : ignore that neither character can actually do that though I'm sure Shinra doesn't know or probably care that they can't)?

There doesn't seem to be anything plausibly holding them back to do either.

Edit : Also way off topic...but that is pretty cute and funny.


Aeris summons Bahamut and bid and waves him goodbye after raining death and destruction on her enemies.
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I dunno. I guess they weren't going to go ahead with Neo Midgar until recently? Remake basically just has Reno and Rude keeping her at home, and it almost feels like a game she plays where they can't MAKE her stay at home because she finds ways to get away (this time that way being Cloud).
 
Berrakh said:
I dunno. I guess they weren't going to go ahead with Neo Midgar until recently? Remake basically just has Reno and Rude keeping her at home, and it almost feels like a game she plays where they can't MAKE her stay at home because she finds ways to get away (this time that way being Cloud).
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I think the war with Wutai put their plans on hold since they focused their resources on winning that first.
 
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The only things I am optimistic for is that, in levels of probability and likelihood:

Probably will happen:
*Wutai will be given its original scenario where Shinra will try to blow up the mountain for a mako reactor and conspires with a member of the local faith
*Second episodic installment will have a "mid series" traditional end game level of open world exploration
*I'm calling it that the game will end by The City of the Ancients
*The last installment will be about (groan) Advent Children and (bigger groan) Dirge of Cerberus
*Your relationship factor chooses who will die in the City of the Ancients

Probably will not happen:
*Attaining Vincent will likely explore materials from Dirge of Cerberus (I like what DOC had to offer, with the whole angle of Vincent's backstory being associated with "hell" lifestream and the harbringer of the apocalypse; I also want to know if his other limit break forms will have backstories too)
*Crossover Superbosses like in FFIV
*The Turks of Before Crisis we get to see, maybe even a sidequest
*Aeris will die

Not ever likely:
*We are given explanation to what the time reapers are in the course of the lifestream and the universe of FFVII
*We are given the chance for multiple endings
 
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Bender said:
That is absolutely gonna happen, the ghosts are there for a reason, IMO.
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kinda already beat them though?

I Love Beef said:
The only things I am optimistic for is that, in levels of probability and likelihood:

Probably will happen:
*Wutai will be given its original scenario where Shinra will try to blow up the mountain for a mako reactor and conspires with a member of the local faith
*Second episodic installment will have a "mid series" traditional end game level of open world exploration
*I'm calling it that the game will end by The City of the Ancients
*The last installment will be about (groan) Advent Children and (bigger groan) Dirge of Cerberus
*Your relationship factor chooses who will die in the City of the Ancients

Probably will not happen:
*Attaining Vincent will likely explore materials from Dirge of Cerberus (I like what DOC had to offer, with the whole angle of Vincent's backstory being associated with "hell" lifestream and the harbringer of the apocalypse; I also want to know if his other limit break forms will have backstories too)
*Crossover Superbosses like in FFIV
*The Turks of Before Crisis we get to see, maybe even a sidequest
*Aeris will die

Not ever likely:
*We are given explanation to what the time reapers are in the course of the lifestream and the universe of FFVII
*We are given the chance for multiple endings
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idk if your relationship will affect who dies, unless the person you pursued dies (then I could definitely see Nomura go for it). It might be more like if you have enough 'points' with Aeris she doesn't die. That sounds easier to make future games around than having only Tifa or Aerith around. Fewer variables.
 
I Love Beef said:
The only things I am optimistic for is that, in levels of probability and likelihood:

Probably will happen:
*Wutai will be given its original scenario where Shinra will try to blow up the mountain for a mako reactor and conspires with a member of the local faith
*Second episodic installment will have a "mid series" traditional end game level of open world exploration
*I'm calling it that the game will end by The City of the Ancients
*The last installment will be about (groan) Advent Children and (bigger groan) Dirge of Cerberus
*Your relationship factor chooses who will die in the City of the Ancients

Probably will not happen:
*Attaining Vincent will likely explore materials from Dirge of Cerberus (I like what DOC had to offer, with the whole angle of Vincent's backstory being associated with "hell" lifestream and the harbringer of the apocalypse; I also want to know if his other limit break forms will have backstories too)
*Crossover Superbosses like in FFIV
*The Turks of Before Crisis we get to see, maybe even a sidequest
*Aeris will die

Not ever likely:
*We are given explanation to what the time reapers are in the course of the lifestream and the universe of FFVII
*We are given the chance for multiple endings
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Im just waiting for xehanort to suddenly appear and reveal hes half genesis or a TWEWY crossover featuring not noctis
 
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verissimus said:
Then again, I'm also assuming he's the final villain.
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It's gonna be some stupid ass Sephiroth/Jenova/Minverva(goddess of the planet) fusion bullshit where the gang has to "Kill Destiny and Fate incarnate to make the perfect ending foreverzzz" and that is the best case scenario I would 100% be prepared for levels of dumb that we can't predict.
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
It's gonna be some stupid ass Sephiroth/Jenova/Minverva(goddess of the planet) fusion bullshit where the gang has to "Kill Destiny and Fate incarnate to make the perfect ending foreverzzz"
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How did they not already do this, honestly? Like really who's idea was it to let you fight and beat Sephiroth already? At least with say Kefka, you could make the argument, he was just screwing around with you in the beginning, but this is nothing like that.
 
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How did they not already do this, honestly? Like really who's idea was it to let you fight and beat Sephiroth already? At least with say Kefka, you could make the argument, he was just screwing around with you in the beginning, but this is nothing like that.
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Kefka at least had the excuse that he was a wimp at first. He had some level of magic but it wasn't until he started straight up eating espers at the end of the first half of the game where he had any real power.
 
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Sug Benis said:
I'm not sure how to feel about this part. On the one hand, this is mostly for people who already know who Sephiroth is, and the magic could never be recaptured. On the other hand, well... Yeah, it's pretty over the top and dumb.

I feel like it would have been received better had it been announced as a reimagining from the start. Which I think like one guy said, but Squeenix leaned on the remake angle hardcore. Sequel would probably be more accurate, but the entire premise, dumb as it may be, wouldn't work from that angle.
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That's because it was all a marketing gimmick to make people buy it. After Square burned everyone with the compilation, not as many people would buy a sequel or a spin off. It was a very calculated lie of omission and they knew exactly what they were doing.
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
It's gonna be some stupid ass Sephiroth/Jenova/Minverva(goddess of the planet) fusion bullshit where the gang has to "Kill Destiny and Fate incarnate to make the perfect ending foreverzzz" and that is the best case scenario I would 100% be prepared for levels of dumb that we can't predict.
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I don't think we're getting dumb, everything was very competently designed. Whatever we're getting we're going to get sincerity even if it's batshit insane it will be a sincere and well thought out batshit insane, just like Elder Scrolls Morrowind.

According to rumors the story is already finished. Remember at the end they said The Unknown Journey Will Continue, but the one thing I'll hate is if they don't stick with the title and Call it Final Fantasy 7: DIFFERENT SUBTITLE instead of Remake Part 2 or whatever.

I'm eager for the first DLC because it's supposed to involve fixing and driving a car.
 
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