Social Justice Warriors - Now With Less Feminism Sperging

[Emperor Julian]

Its's slightly odd they consider a species to have psychological tendacies distinct from humans to be Racist. Considering these Orcs and elves and whatnot are seperate species rather than say......a chinese person and this is before you get into really alien stuff like Demons and Dragons. It's like saying "humans have a ambitious streak and a tendacy towards internal paradox's" is racist. If anything you're avoiding an interesting thought experiment by exploring how they are fundementy differant from us.

Also the fact they're projecting Black people onto Orcs is fucking psychotic and actually racist.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Especially since Tolkien seemed to think they were "half-trolls." If you squint hard and view things through a certain lens, at any rate.

Tolkien never actually decided on the origin of Orcs, other than that they were corruptions of creation by the ultimate evil Morgoth, who could not actually create as Tolkien believed evil cannot create, only corrupt. But from the huge variety of orc races in Middle Earth it seems clear there were a number of sources Morgoth used to "create" orcs including elves, men, and animals who all must have mixed together over the ages.

Trolls were made separately from orcs as in Tolkien's legendarium they are corrupted Ents (or possibly just trees reshaped by Morgoth in imitation of Ents). Sauron made his own trolls (Olog-hai) by fusing older trolls with orcs and probably other races.

But Tolkien did often struggle with idea that all orcs are evil and incapable of serving good since that contradicted his Christian theology which influenced Middle Earth.

 

[Whatsup bud?]

The fact that they have a player constantly fucking up and unable to play her character (but keep her on anyway because she's dating the GM) is extremely true to life for tabletop groups lmao.

Having a player unable to play for months on end and someone taking on their character is pretty real too. Dont even know why Ashley started on campaign 2 since she knew shed be gone so long.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Having a player unable to play for months on end and someone taking on their character is pretty real too. Dont even know why Ashley started on campaign 2 since she knew shed be gone so long.

Speaking of bad TTRPG podcasts, how bad do you think Adventure Zone has been for the hobby compared to Critical Role? I got a recent influx of players who were looking for something insanely wacky and reddit-humor-esque, and they all loved the MacElroy Brothers.

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

The fact that they have a player constantly fucking up and unable to play her character (but keep her on anyway because she's dating the GM) is extremely true to life for tabletop groups lmao.

I'm thankful that i've never experienced such stuff. I pray that RNGsus saves me from this.

Also the fact they're projecting Black people onto Orcs is fucking psychotic and actually racist.

I never understood this and never will, like all the real life race comparison to fantasy ones. One that made me laugh specifically was one that compared the Chaos Dwarves of Warhammer fantasy with the jews when they were clearly fashioned in Babylonian aesthetic. Why the comparison? Because they are greedy slavers with pointy noses it looks like. I kid you not.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Bitch, British patrotism and pride isn't purely about the Empire - it's about being one the smallest countries on Earth that has solely contributed some of the greatest humans and ideas and culture throughout mankind's history. It's the ingenuity of Britain through hard times and their resilience as a long standing society. (Minus the most recent Britbong rëtardedness...Let's just recall when Britain was great.)

These coloniser criers all seem real mad that the reality is that most of these shitty countries that did get taken over in ye olden times came out ahead with British modernisation. As they say:

Hoes Mad (x20)

Colonialism did some good things and it did some bad things, it's one of those things in which there is no easy answer to whether it was "good" or "bad", it simply is what it is.

The more important question is does any of it really matter? It's literal history, it's the 21st century now, let's focus on making the best of our situation that we can and stop arguing over a past we can't change.

It's also important to remember that there's countless variables to how history could have played out, in some alternate universe we may be talking about Native Americans sailing across the Atlantic to conquer Europe.

Maybe that's a little far fetched, but we could easily be living in an Asian dominated world I think, had things gone a little differently, the Mongols were well on their way to entering Europe at a time when Europe were primitive barbarians before the Khan died and they had to return to the homeland for his funeral.

The point is, any civilization would have done what European civilizations did had they had the means to do so, we're all only human at the end of the day.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Remember when VtM had teeth and it was expected that Vampires were evil motherfuckers and could be morally really ambiguous and throw their lot in with whoever they could manipulate and use? Member there were no 'good' kindred and even the more humanist Anarchs were just using lipservice to control fledglings and kine? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Ah, yes. When Vampires were actively described as predators and irredemably tainted by evil. And when the Clans were all objectively negative 90s stereotypes. Ventrue were elitist assholes, Toreador were poncy failed "artistes", Tremere were bootlicking nerds, Brujah were Antifa before Antifa became a thing (stupid thoughtlessness included).

So disappointed in the rework. Vampire was politically incorrect back when it was released. That's what made it edgy and cool. What it's doing now is not edgy, it's just... pandering to the rainbow-haired crowd.

But now you can play in the exciting world building of Critical Roll! With a new supplement! Oh joy! We had this when we COULD have had a revamp of Greyhawk or Dark Sun.

Oh, man. I have SO much salt for the state of Dark Sun. That's a setting that's needed a proper revamp since fucking 3.0e.

To be honest, I'm afraid of seeing what they would turn Dark Sun into now. It's a decidedly shitty setting to live in, what with all the slavery, sex and brutality. If you try to mix the standard PC tropes into it, you completely lose what Dark Sun was: a goddamn Brom painting made into a gritty and lethal game setting.

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

Colonialism did some good things and it did some bad things, it's one of those things in which there is no easy answer to whether it was "good" or "bad", it simply is what it is.

The more important question is does any of it really matter? It's literal history, it's the 21st century now, let's focus on making the best of our situation that we can and stop arguing over a past we can't change.

This so much. I can't understand why people constantly complain and try to "repair" things that cannot be solved in any way. Plus, colonialism in fantasy is a good way to generate conflict through a clash of cultures.

But you will always have morons dredging up the dead corpse of a colonial empire in order to make people feel bad for things they didn't do. For example, every 8 of November (Day of hispanity for those who don't know) people across the board bring up "MUH SPANISH EMPIRE DESTROYED AMERICAN CIVS AND STOLE OUR GOLD" while people try to celebrate the common heritage and culture south america and spain have. At least the Philippines stay quiet but they get salty as fuck if you say you're spanish.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

The point is, any civilization would have done what European civilizations did had they had the means to do so, we're all only human at the end of the day.

Not even a modern view. There's a Mesoamerican history chronicle describing Spain conquering the Aztec Empire written in the late 16th century under Spanish rule that includes a portion which basically says "we would've done the same to the Spanish if we were in their place".

But too many of these people can never get over the past. They don't want to fix the bad parts the legacy of colonialism left like the poverty found in many communities of the colonized, they want to fix colonialism itself. This is obviously impossible because you can't change the past so they resort to all sorts of insanity.

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

Not even a modern view. There's a Mesoamerican history chronicle describing Spain conquering the Aztec Empire written in the late 16th century under Spanish rule that includes a portion which basically says "we would've done the same to the Spanish if we were in their place".

It was obvious they would have done the same. After all, the Mayan empire fell due to aggressive conquest from the Aztecs (far more warlike) and the Incas in the south. The Incas were alright in every sense of the word and Pizarro was quite a prick for yeeting them after conquering the nearby tribes. But the Aztecs were an empire formed of small tribes that were in a constant state of conflict with each other over territory or percieved slights (Like the Tlaxcala, who betrayed the aztecs later became the main allies of Hernan Cortés in his campaing).

But in why the mesoamerican civilizations are seen so positive when comparing against the Spanish Conquistadores, they usually focus on the technological and theological aspects. Spanish soldiers had steel armors, horses and gunpowder weapons against warriors fighting with obsidian swords and cotton armor. That paired with the fact that Aztecs thought the Spanish were heralds of the gods makes people think the Conquistadores had a huge advantage over them, even if after the "Noche Triste" they crippled Cortés' forces and sent him back to Spain where he died in utter poverty and humiliation.

 

[Whatsup bud?]

Speaking of bad TTRPG podcasts, how bad do you think Adventure Zone has been for the hobby compared to Critical Role? I got a recent influx of players who were looking for something insanely wacky and reddit-humor-esque, and they all loved the MacElroy Brothers.

Haven't listened in years. I remember papa McElroy being the only one without an awful voice tho.

 

[Corn Flakes]

It was obvious they would have done the same. After all, the Mayan empire fell due to aggressive conquest from the Aztecs (far more warlike) and the Incas in the south. The Incas were alright in every sense of the word and Pizarro was quite a prick for yeeting them after conquering the nearby tribes. But the Aztecs were an empire formed of small tribes that were in a constant state of conflict with each other over territory or percieved slights (Like the Tlaxcala, who betrayed the aztecs later became the main allies of Hernan Cortés in his campaing).

But in why the mesoamerican civilizations are seen so positive when comparing against the Spanish Conquistadores, they usually focus on the technological and theological aspects. Spanish soldiers had steel armors, horses and gunpowder weapons against warriors fighting with obsidian swords and cotton armor. That paired with the fact that Aztecs thought the Spanish were heralds of the gods makes people think the Conquistadores had a huge advantage over them, even if after the "Noche Triste" they crippled Cortés' forces and sent him back to Spain where he died in utter poverty and humiliation.

There's this huge combination of underdog syndrome and Noble Savage myth in popular culture. Human civilization is complex, not every native population was pacifist and not every colonizer was Belgium (seriously, look up their colony in Africa!).

The big reason why we don't read about the atrocities the native American nations inflicted upon one another is because... well, the colonizers did a great job of erasing those records since so many of them were carried only orally. So now all we have are the stories that survived, and even those tend to be curated to make the natives look good. Which all feeds into the Noble Savage myth.

 

[Goodbye Horses]

The big reason why we don't read about the atrocities the native American nations inflicted upon one another is because... well, the colonizers did a great job of erasing those records since so many of them were carried only orally. So now all we have are the stories that survived, and even those tend to be curated to make the natives look good. Which all feeds into the Noble Savage myth.

Whereas if you look at the archaeological record it shows a shitload of evidence of inter-tribal warfare and no small amount of cannibalism. That's why it's pretty much impossible to get permission to do any digs on native sites these days.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Whereas if you look at the archaeological record it shows a shitload of evidence of inter-tribal warfare and no small amount of cannibalism. That's why it's pretty much impossible to get permission to do any digs on native sites these days.

Turns out, all those arrowheads and axes weren't there just for bison and trees. Shocking, right?

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

There's this huge combination of underdog syndrome and Noble Savage myth in popular culture. Human civilization is complex, not every native population was pacifist and not every colonizer was Belgium (seriously, look up their colony in Africa!).

The big reason why we don't read about the atrocities the native American nations inflicted upon one another is because... well, the colonizers did a great job of erasing those records since so many of them were carried only orally. So now all we have are the stories that survived, and even those tend to be curated to make the natives look good. Which all feeds into the Noble Savage myth.

Yeah, that sums it up pretty well. After all, people tend to naturally side with the underdog, specially when a lot of injustice is happening. But when we uncover a trace of their atrocities people do all kind of mental gymnastics to excuse it and not have their whole view shattered by reality or deep idiocy. Take for example the Pillar of Skulls found in Mexico City, where they found more than 650 skulls, including children. I remember when this gig came and people said "It was an honor to be sacrificed in the aztec empire! They weren't captives! They went willingly to their deaths!".

And about the Belgian Congo, that shit was right out insanity. Leopold of Belgium was all sorts of crazy, and if you want to know how much, during that period cutting hands was so common that some natives used them as a currency. Quite interesting that the man that pressured the world to force Belgium to grant independence to Congo was named George Washington.

Whereas if you look at the archaeological record it shows a shitload of evidence of inter-tribal warfare and no small amount of cannibalism. That's why it's pretty much impossible to get permission to do any digs on native sites these days.

Tribal warfare was a need for the Aztec Empire. And when there was peace they carried out Garland wars in which all tribes sent warriors with non lethal weapons to fight. As you might suspect, the losers got captured and eventually sacrificed. And the sacrifices ranged from 1 a day to get the sun to rise again to 100 a day when harvest was bad or there was a drought.

 

[Private Pyle]

Colonialism did some good things and it did some bad things, it's one of those things in which there is no easy answer to whether it was "good" or "bad", it simply is what it is.

The more important question is does any of it really matter? It's literal history, it's the 21st century now, let's focus on making the best of our situation that we can and stop arguing over a past we can't change.

It's also important to remember that there's countless variables to how history could have played out, in some alternate universe we may be talking about Native Americans sailing across the Atlantic to conquer Europe.

Maybe that's a little far fetched, but we could easily be living in an Asian dominated world I think, had things gone a little differently, the Mongols were well on their way to entering Europe at a time when Europe were primitive barbarians before the Khan died and they had to return to the homeland for his funeral.

The point is, any civilization would have done what European civilizations did had they had the means to do so, we're all only human at the end of the day.

Hell, there’s still the fact that Japan did a fair bit of colonizing all the way up to WW2. It’s actually how Okinawa became a part of the country. And then there’s China’s whole imperialistic past.
Yet you never see people calling them colonizers or demanding reparations for the countries they invaded. Funny that.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Yet you never see people calling them colonizers or demanding reparations for the countries they invaded. Funny that.

It's about destroying the West, not about any kind of morality.

 

[Goodbye Horses]

Tribal warfare was a need for the Aztec Empire. And when there was peace they carried out Garland wars in which all tribes sent warriors with non lethal weapons to fight. As you might suspect, the losers got captured and eventually sacrificed. And the sacrifices ranged from 1 a day to get the sun to rise again to 100 a day when harvest was bad or there was a drought.

It's not just the Aztecs though, it's the North American natives as well. It used to be the Anasazi that got touted as proof of how advanced and peaceful the natives were until the evil white men showed up. Any evidence to the contrary got shouted down and mocked as racist, right up until about 20 years ago when new genetic tests proved once and for all that their faeces was full of digested human flesh.
These days it's Cahokia that always gets trotted out to prove how peaceful and advanced the indians were, assuming you ignore the pits full of mutilated corpses, many of which show signs of being buried alive.

 

[Section230]

It's about destroying the West, not about any kind of morality.

It's so dumb, but it really is just the old USSR efforts to undermine western democracy from the cold war still bearing fruit. Dumbass state couldn't keep itself in existence in the real world but of course hollywood and academia are keeping the dream alive...

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

There's this huge combination of underdog syndrome and Noble Savage myth in popular culture. Human civilization is complex, not every native population was pacifist and not every colonizer was Belgium (seriously, look up their colony in Africa!).

The big reason why we don't read about the atrocities the native American nations inflicted upon one another is because... well, the colonizers did a great job of erasing those records since so many of them were carried only orally. So now all we have are the stories that survived, and even those tend to be curated to make the natives look good. Which all feeds into the Noble Savage myth.

There's a historical account by some British explorer in the Pacific Northwest about being taken as a slave by the Haida, and there's historical records of pretty much every "Native Nation" engaging in war, slavery, genocide, rape, and all the worst of human behaviour, but it's conveniently ignored, just like Riel's border-hopping, wagon-burning escapades are made out to be a 'noble guerilla war against opppression', when the fact is, he was half-European, and there's indication he was a complete asshole to begin with.

Colonialism did some good things and it did some bad things, it's one of those things in which there is no easy answer to whether it was "good" or "bad", it simply is what it is.

I'll refer you to my statements earlier in the thread - I'll take cell phones, indoor plumbing, and automobiles over horses, wigwams, and pemican.

It was quite hilarious when i read that they turned Brujah (AKA retardio utopists fallen in disgrace) into the vampire good guys and the Ventrue into the bad guys because "MUH CAMARILLA SUPPORTERS AND CAMARILLA BAD HURR". Why can't these people understand that Vampires are a bunch of pricks that prey on humans? I blame Interview with the Vampire for this inmense amount of people that have a bucolic and idealistic vision of vampires instead of considering them horrors of the night.

And don't get me started with the "If you feel uncomfortable with certain themes of the game tell the master to stop".

Speaking of, the SJWs are still carrying on, as though this is actually important and relevant -

And one of the biggest contributors to the stupid is setting records for how many times he can double down -

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"I've got hot, Latin blood" makes him sound like every other male feminist - a serial predator that hasn't been outed. And his "game" is basically "Latin-American Soap Operas" -

Oh look, more stroking CCP cock -

And here's some sanity, so we don't all lose our shit completely -