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Druckman getting savaged so hard he just gave up hiding tweets.

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when even your target demo hates this shit
 
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First Aid Kit said:
This is another spoiler summary I found, it's a little bit different to earlier spoiler on 4chan, it gives a better summary how things happen throughout the story and at the end, doesn't mean TLoU2 is good now.
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So more or less, I feel they really try to make you somehow sympathize with Abby side. At worst, this probably lead to something like TLJ causing "divisive fanbase", how people side with old characters vs people side with new ones. Subversive indeed.
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This is TERFs GTFO: The Game.
 
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I've seen bigger, that said she's like 5 ft tall.

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Women who have naturally high testosterone tend to be very short. High testosterone leads to early puberty, which results in growth terminating prematurely. So their height is stunted.

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What the fuck was Cuckmann thinking? He doesn't seriously think that after the ending people wouldn't be on Ellie's side, right? Because everyone is going to want Ellie to destroy the troon in the next game.
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Insert smug Cuckmann response about how they obviously missed the game's message.

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Mass Effect: Andromeda had faces based on models, but they made the female model look like an autistic fish while the male was a decent match. People speculated that this was done deliberately since all the women in the game were hit with the ugly stick at least once. I wouldn't put it past ND to do that here.
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If I remember correctly they just dumped raw mocap data right into her model without polishing it up first, but ideology probably still played a role in that. If dev resources for polishing up the character models and animation are short, and your ideology tells you beautiful women are bad, guess where those resources are going to be deployed? Not to any of the women, that's for sure.

I still wish they had just rolled with the autism jokes, though. They should have just come out and said, "Yes, she's actually autistic, please don't make fun of her." Then the game would at least be remembered for something other than being a disappointing failure. You'd even have some autists would waifu her because they feel like a fellow autist would understand them better and would be more likely to share their hobbies than a neurotypical girl.
 
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Apparently (no hard proof but still), Abby isn't trans but they changed her and the other women in the game's character models to appease trans folks because they couldn't selfinsert if the female characters were too feminine in appearance.IMG_20200428_155232.jpgIMG_20200428_155233.jpg.png
I can't be 100% sure if it's true but given how she looked more like an actual woman in earlier trailers and how divisive and SJWy ND has seemed to become, I wouldn't put this idea out of the question. Worst part is, you know they wouldn't make men more feminine to appeal to FtMs, but MtFs need their validation dammit.
 
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Cardenio said:
Spoiler Alert: I'm going to write spoilers for Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian, please read that damn book when you have the chance. Don't make me the guy who spoils it for you in a stupid nerd ramblepost, I'm not that good of a writer.

I have to give credit where credit is due. Personally I think it's incredibly ballsy of Druckmann to write a script and ND to approve where the two protagonists get horrifically snuffed out, and the last one the player has to directly kill. Troy Baker is right people are going to hate killing Ellie and the game itself, for many Ellie is a pseudo daughter ala Clem in The Walking Dead. Many people will be discussing whether they killed Ellie to see the game finish or just refuse to do it. Some will just not want to play it at all. The trailers clearly implied that Joel would die, he wasn't in the debut trailer and it would just be weird to have Ellie go on her quest for vengeance without him. I think anyone could have written the obvious Last of Us 2, one where Ellie goes on a quest for vengeance, does some brutal violence, and then either lives more messed up or dies in some heroic sacrifice, most cliched would be her saving a child to continue the parental themes. So there definitely could have been a way to make a flatter sequel but this game clearly fails as well where TLOU1 actually worked.

Now don't get me wrong, Druckmann is not some wonderful creative mind. Because if Hideo Kojima's success was built on pastiching 80s Action Movies then Druckmann's TLOU success was cribbing notes off Cormac McCarthy's The Road. And TLOU2 could have been Blood Meridian: The Game but it isn't.

Druckmann is too much of a coward to make Ellie what she should be, someone who had to develop around horrific brutal violence would HAVE to develop into a vicious psycho like Blood Meridian's "The Kid." Druckmann should have just plagiarized Blood Meridian to a T: one day Ellie should have just disappeared from Joel because she couldn't fit in a civilized society, because the sad truth is she's so fucked up that all she has in her is a lust for violence. She should have decided to travel out with a vicious gang who murders for profit and sadistic glee and then just wastes the money they make on booze, drugs, and whoring. Ellie and the gang go deep into hell itself and this piece of shit gang gets what's coming to them. Ellie would have moments of goodness to remind the player that she could be good like the "The Kid" but she shouldn't be innocent or a mere bystander. Finally the player becomes "Judge Holden" (not the user @Judge Holden) who slaughters Ellie in the most grisly fashion. End the game with Holden being fucking happy and dancing because "he will never die."

Why am I just giving a 3 sentence summary for one of the greatest novels of all time? Because I want a fucking Blood Meridian game and GODDAMN Rockstar pussied out with Red Dead Redemption 2 and made Dutch's gang a bunch of likable softies. And with TLOU2 Naughty Dawg chained up a bunch of skilled programmers and worked them like slaves to develop the most beautifully detailed violence pretty much seen in a game. But like Dan Houser Druckmann had to pussy out. "Oh Ellie's rampage of murdering is justified because Joel and that big nosed dyke girlfriend die. Oh no, it turns out going on a revenge quest won't result in your emotional healing. And even worse your quest for revenge could suffer blowbacks like you or other people you like getting murdered as the cycle of violence perpetuates itself." Congrats Dib Druckman you just gave us a message that every fucking human with half a brain knows! Meanwhile your game that's clearly designed to make people consider why they're enamored with the horrors of bloodshed are going to end up mainly enjoying it for the violence because no matter how much you or Hideo Kojima try to discourage us from liking violence blowing virtual heads off is fun and devoid of any guilt. You could have made an interactive masterpiece. A polished drop dead gorgeous game focused on the horrifying yet beautiful senseless violence and snuff. But no, you couldn't go all the way and instead had to have a game where a little girl murders more people than Jason Vorhees but then you end it with a shitty morality message straight outta Sweeney Todd, a musical for fat goth girls. You even have to wuss out and make the villain everyone will hate have a reason for her actions. Why can't the he/she just be a fucking monster who likes to murder? A broken world like the one shown in this game would make those people!

Thank you Naughty Dawg leaker for showing the basic bitch narrative that is only going to make gamers underwhelmed because Neil wrote the story he wanted to make as opposed to making the story that should have been told. To this day the closest we've gotten to a game that successfully makes a commentary on the fun of video game violence is Hotline Miami.
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Yeah, you could do that I suppose, but it would be unwise for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, 'The Novel' has always been considered the art-form best suited to an exploration of the human condition, it's sort of considered it's raison d'etre, so people are willing to explore those kinds of dark themes when crafted by a master wordsmith like McCarthy. Even literature's bastard child, Cinema, has raised itself to the status of an art-form that we will watch for edification as much as entertainment.
No matter how often you see articles (mostly written in reference to TLOS) that claim gaming has now reached those lofty heights, games are still mostly considered by their audience to be a good way to indulge in a little escapism and unwind after a shitty day at work by shooting some zombies in the face, rather then their shit-stain boss.
Druckman may have let too many of those articles go to his head and I question just how many people are eager to actually see him fellate himself into believing that he's gaming's Cormac McCarthy.

Secondly. In these soft-apocalyptic times of the coof, do people really want this shit? The most popular entertainment during the great depression was Chaplin and The Marx Brothers. I think Sony have seriously miscalculated the popular mood by pushing this up. Right now people want to watch YouTube video's of Italians singing to each other from their balconies, not being bulldozed into mass graves, so if TLOU2 turns out to be 'feels-bad,man' the game, I can see a lot of people passing on it to watch the new Loony Tunes on Netflix instead.
 
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You know, can we say that Joel getting his head smashed in by a baseb- I mean GOLF bat is a rip off from Negan's execution of Glen from TWD?

Except Negan is this big tough unhinged motherfucker with a sick sense of humor but a charming charisma around him with a scary barbed wire bat

Abby is Abby with a puny golf bat.

I feel like e-mailing Skybound and tell them to sue something...
 
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PozzedByCoronachan said:
Apparently (no hard proof but still), Abby isn't trans but they changed her and the other women in the game's character models to appease trans folks because they couldn't selfinsert if the female characters were too feminine in appearance.View attachment 1259583View attachment 1259584
I can't be 100% sure if it's true but given how she looked more like an actual woman in earlier trailers and how divisive and SJWy ND has seemed to become, I wouldn't put this idea out of the question. Worst part is, you know they wouldn't make men more feminine to appeal to FtMs, but MtFs need their validation dammit.
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I fucking knew it.
 
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PozzedByCoronachan said:
Apparently (no hard proof but still), Abby isn't trans but they changed her and the other women in the game's character models to appease trans folks because they couldn't selfinsert if the female characters were too feminine in appearance.View attachment 1259583View attachment 1259584
I can't be 100% sure if it's true but given how she looked more like an actual woman in earlier trailers and how divisive and SJWy ND has seemed to become, I wouldn't put this idea out of the question. Worst part is, you know they wouldn't make men more feminine to appeal to FtMs, but MtFs need their validation dammit.
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Translation: THE FEMALE BODY IS BAD

For all of the screeching and bitching they do, SJWs sure do seem to hate women.
 
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Duncan Hills Coffee said:
Something else I want to point out is that while this could reasonably frame Joel as a villain, it doesn't really explain why Ellie would be demonized as well. Joel murdered an entire base full of Fireflies while Ellie was unconscious the entire time. If anything it only justifies Ellie even more; she wasn't aware of what Joel did. Why should she have to suffer? And since Abby murdered her father figure, why wouldn't the player want to see Ellie get back at her? Why should the player sympathize with Abby enough to where we want to see her beat the shit out of Ellie too? At best they could understand why Abby killed Joel, but that isn't enough to justify her actions against Ellie.
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There's something similar I'm reminded of in WoW. A big thing for the undead group in that game is that they were shunned and despised the moment they awoke...but in the RTS series those same undead betrayed, destroyed and devoured a group of humans who worked with them - then hunted down the survivors and murdered them too. This was when the undead had their own free will.

If it was just a case of in character propaganda that would be one thing, but Wow goes out of its way to actively ignore this major event in its own story.
 
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PozzedByCoronachan said:
Apparently (no hard proof but still), Abby isn't trans but they changed her and the other women in the game's character models to appease trans folks because they couldn't selfinsert if the female characters were too feminine in appearance.View attachment 1259583View attachment 1259584
I can't be 100% sure if it's true but given how she looked more like an actual woman in earlier trailers and how divisive and SJWy ND has seemed to become, I wouldn't put this idea out of the question. Worst part is, you know they wouldn't make men more feminine to appeal to FtMs, but MtFs need their validation dammit.
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If this is true this game is the gift that keeps on giving. ND is so pro troon they turned the ending of the game into something straight out of TERF propaganda. All it needed was Abby attacking Ellie and her gf in a women's restroom instead.

How tone deaf do you have to be to get to this point? It's like they went out of their way to alienate every single group of people they could think of.
 
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PozzedByCoronachan said:
Apparently (no hard proof but still), Abby isn't trans but they changed her and the other women in the game's character models to appease trans folks because they couldn't selfinsert if the female characters were too feminine in appearance.View attachment 1259583View attachment 1259584
I can't be 100% sure if it's true but given how she looked more like an actual woman in earlier trailers and how divisive and SJWy ND has seemed to become, I wouldn't put this idea out of the question. Worst part is, you know they wouldn't make men more feminine to appeal to FtMs, but MtFs need their validation dammit.
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Does it even need to be said how insane it is to make such drastic, off-putting changes to your characters so they could potentially appeal to less than 1% of the population?

Besides, the premise is all wrong. Troons like to self-insert as petite anime girls or "punk" girls with obnoxious rainbow hair. They don't particularly like being reminded that they look like ogres.
 
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Yeah, you could do that I suppose, but it would be unwise for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, 'The Novel' has always been considered the art-form best suited to an exploration of the human condition, it's sort of considered it's raison d'etre, so people are willing to explore those kinds of dark themes when crafted by a master wordsmith like McCarthy. Even literature's bastard child, Cinema, has raised itself to the status of an art-form that we will watch for edification as much as entertainment.
No matter how often you see articles (mostly written in reference to TLOS) that claim gaming has now reached those lofty heights, games are still mostly considered by their audience to be a good way to indulge in a little escapism and unwind after a shitty day at work by shooting some zombies in the face, rather then their shit-stain boss.
Druckman may have let too many of those articles go to his head and I question just how many people are eager to actually see him fellate himself into believing that he's gaming's Cormac McCarthy.

Secondly. In these soft-apocalyptic times of the coof, do people really want this shit? The most popular entertainment during the great depression was Chaplin and The Marx Brothers. I think Sony have seriously miscalculated the popular mood by pushing this up. Right now people want to watch YouTube video's of Italians singing to each other from their balconies, not being bulldozed into mass graves, so if TLOU2 turns out to be 'feels-bad,man' the game, I can see a lot of people passing on it to watch the new Loony Tunes on Netflix instead.
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I think the issue might also be that Druckmann is probably a lot like the walking sim people in that he fundamentally doesn’t understand where gameplay and narrative intersect; even though The Last of Us is often held up as an example of it. We follow Joel through his initial trauma, to being the monster that trauma and circumstance make him, to people rightly fearing him for his utter ruthlessness, and on from there until the end where he’s clearly somewhat conflicted about what he’s about to do. The only time we’re not in Joel’s frame of reference is when he is too sick to move and the DLC. If the game is structured the way the leaks make it out to be, then they should’ve put Anne’s sections before Ellie’s. Play into her vendetta from the start instead of us only finding out after you see her kill the original protagonist, and then give us control of Ellie when Joel dies just like we got when he nearly dies in 1 and drive home the pointlessness of it all from there. I don’t know if I’m talking out of my ass, but that seems like a better structure.
 
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