Furry Fandom and Drama General

[Leonard Helplessness]

Looks like FWA is doing some shady shit with its finances.
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Archive

Some of those didn’t archive so well, but I did like this one tidbit.



“Your tickets are worthless and you’re not getting your money back because of fake accounting woo-woo based on our convention’s available bank balance at a point in time that has long since passed. It doesn’t matter how many people donated their ticket prices (PLEASE DONATE) or how much money we have available now (PLEASE DONATE) because we’ve deemed that $15.20 is all you’re getting back from your $65 purchase. Oh, and refunds are opt-in so if we don’t hear from you by a deadline we’ll just keep the ticket price for ourselves anyway (PLEASE DONATE).”

Chargeback this fucking convention into bankruptcy and then hold the owners jointly and severally liable for any balances still outstanding after liquidation. This is fraud and embezzlement.

 

[AnOminous]

My theory is that + the fact Growly is in jail again means they have a lot less money to work with and they're relying on con-goers + dealers to eat the costs. How the rest of the furry population hasn't realized this, I'll have no idea.

I thought Growly was already back out.

 

[Wheezy Asthmatic]

I thought Growly was already back out.

Oh ffs, you can't be serious

 

[AnOminous]

Oh ffs, you can't be serious

He was released 9/26/2019 on bond. But he pleaded in November and was sentenced to time served.

Pretty cushy deal for an already convicted pedophile arrested again for CP. Welcome to California.

RELEASE

Actual Release Date: 09/26/2019 Release Time: 0427 Release Reason: BOND Reason Description: BOND Release Agency: Agency Description:​

 

[Wheezy Asthmatic]

He was released 9/26/2019 on bond. But he pleaded in November and was sentenced to time served.

Pretty cushy deal for an already convicted pedophile arrested again for CP. Welcome to California.

RELEASE

Actual Release Date: 09/26/2019 Release Time: 0427 Release Reason: BOND Reason Description: BOND Release Agency: Agency Description:​

I hate California. Why can't the homeless people just revolt already and burn that shithole state to the ground?

 

[Uncle Warren]

Yeah I saw the original stuff. So basically.. Rusty got a NSFW model made, when Jackie was informed, they claimed that "Hes 16 so he can consent." and a lot of shitflinging back and forth how Jackie won't remove him because hes above the age of consent and arguing how he isn't. Wish I had thought to archive it... My bad.

Meant to quote the post above Pinball. Not sure why it quoted the wrong one.

I would honestly like confirmation on this, especially coming from a new account.

 

[Pinball 2000]

I would honestly like confirmation on this, especially coming from a new account.

So I recently found out that if someone links to a tweet in Discord that has media attached, the embedded preview and images are still visible even if the original tweet was deleted. A friend who heard about the drama in an unrelated discord found fennergy's original tweet was linked in their server and sent me this:



Presumably, these screenshots were taken by the discord's co-owner Dandu. This does seem to line up with my earlier theory that Dandu got mad about Rusty being in the server and Jackie still seems to insist he wasn't in the 18+ areas. But it also does confirm that he indeed made a model for Rusty.

Jackie's twitter seems to be full of a ton of vrchat dragon avatars in fetish gear, and some RTs he made show off recolored versions of the same 3d model of a dragon wearing fetish gear and usually thanking Jackie for the avatar, so he's presumably doing recolors of this model for other people as requests/commissions.

Spoiler: vrchat dragons wearing fetish gear

My best guess is that Jackie made a recolored version of one of these avatars for Rusty. Just my opinion, but while it's definitely suggestive as fuck, I'm not sure it's explicit enough that it would get you banned if you wore it in other areas of vrchat.

So with this, it's still sketchy that Jackie would make a 16-year-old a recolored model of a fetish dragon, but it seems to prove he didn't let him in the 18+ areas or in the actual vrchat area, and it also confirms Leonard's theory that Jackie told Rusty to not tell other users his age as some form of protection. This is probably why CasualFen deleted their tweets about it; while it's questionable, it's not exactly breaking any laws.

EDIT: fixed some grammar

 

[Corn Flakes]

Changing subjects for a moment,
Why is that every other furry artist that's into drawing cutesy stuff also seems be waaay into gore? Usually sexualized gore, too.

Source: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/36124237/ (Obviously, gore.)

I guess they were already into gore but reasonably assumed drawing cute stuff would get them more money. So once they have a following, they either create an alt account for the really nasty stuff, or just outright swap their fanbase with gore fetishists. After all, the weirder the kink the more loyal the fans.

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

So I recently found out that if someone links to a tweet in Discord that has media attached, the embedded preview and images are still visible even if the original tweet was deleted. A friend who heard about the drama in an unrelated discord found fennergy's original tweet was linked in their server and sent me this:
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Presumably, these screenshots were taken by the discord's co-owner Dandu. This does seem to line up with my earlier theory that Dandu got mad about Rusty being in the server and Jackie still seems to insist he wasn't in the 18+ areas. But it also does confirm that he indeed made a model for Rusty.

Jackie's twitter seems to be full of a ton of vrchat dragon avatars in fetish gear, and some RTs he made show off recolored versions of the same 3d model of a dragon wearing fetish gear and usually thanking Jackie for the avatar, so he's presumably doing recolors of this model for other people as requests/commissions.

Spoiler: vrchat dragons wearing fetish gear

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My best guess is that Jackie made a recolored version of one of these avatars for Rusty. Just my opinion, but while it's definitely suggestive as fuck, I'm not sure it's explicit enough that it would get you banned if you wore it in other areas of vrchat.

So with this, it's still sketchy that Jackie would make a 16-year-old a recolored model of a fetish dragon, but it seems to prove he didn't let him in the 18+ areas or in the actual vrchat area, and it also confirms Leonard's theory that Jackie told Rusty to not tell other users his age as some form of protection. This is probably why CasualFen deleted their tweets about it; while it's questionable, it's not exactly breaking any laws.

EDIT: fixed some grammar

I had given Jackie the benefit of the doubt. Now it appears I may have been wrong to do so.

The chatlogs reveal a disturbed person who lied about his age in order to start posting furry erotica when he was 16, and says that he "wouldn't exist" unless he had done this, which suggests he was a dumbass kid who found distraction from the typical teenage angst and self-loathing by seeking out attention from horny furries. Now he thinks he may have killed himself had he not done this.

Jackie also believes that what he did was just fine because of age-is-just-a-number horseshit, and does not appear to understand why age of consent laws exist (in huge part because kids, even high school kids, are extremely impressionable and are conditioned literally from birth to obey adults' every command so age of consent exists as a strict cutoff at which the law flat-out says that the kid did not fucking consent regardless of what they fucking said at the time). Jackie acted out and did sexual shit at a young age for internet strangers, and it's likely to have fucked his head up. Because of this, the fact that Jackie was covering for a 16-year-old and keeping his age a secret in a Discord dedicated to fetish petplay shit is extremely suspect.

I don't think he was doing this in an attempt to protect Rusty from pedos anymore. This was solely to let a 16 year old engage in fetish shit with strangers because Jackie was once a 16 year old engaging in fetish shit with strangers as well, and Jackie thinks this had a positive effect on his mental and emotional development. It clearly did not.

 

[Pinball 2000]

I don't think he was doing this in an attempt to protect Rusty from pedos anymore. This was solely to let a 16 year old engage in fetish shit with strangers because Jackie was once a 16 year old engaging in fetish shit with strangers as well, and Jackie thinks this had a positive effect on his mental and emotional development. It clearly did not.

So if Jackie is indeed acting questionably with a minor, these deleted chat screenshots do raise another question; multiple furs made tweets about this situation, then later deleted all their tweets about it and pretended the callout never happened, it wasn't just casualfen/fennergy who tweeted about it. From what I've seen lurking a lot of kiwifarms threads, it's usually rare to see lowcows (furry or otherwise) delete callout posts, even after they've been long disproven. And it's even rarer to see this many users remove them all at once within a short timeframe.

 

[Uncle Warren]

So I recently found out that if someone links to a tweet in Discord that has media attached, the embedded preview and images are still visible even if the original tweet was deleted. A friend who heard about the drama in an unrelated discord found fennergy's original tweet was linked in their server and sent me this:
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Presumably, these screenshots were taken by the discord's co-owner Dandu. This does seem to line up with my earlier theory that Dandu got mad about Rusty being in the server and Jackie still seems to insist he wasn't in the 18+ areas. But it also does confirm that he indeed made a model for Rusty.

Jackie's twitter seems to be full of a ton of vrchat dragon avatars in fetish gear, and some RTs he made show off recolored versions of the same 3d model of a dragon wearing fetish gear and usually thanking Jackie for the avatar, so he's presumably doing recolors of this model for other people as requests/commissions.

Spoiler: vrchat dragons wearing fetish gear

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My best guess is that Jackie made a recolored version of one of these avatars for Rusty. Just my opinion, but while it's definitely suggestive as fuck, I'm not sure it's explicit enough that it would get you banned if you wore it in other areas of vrchat.

So with this, it's still sketchy that Jackie would make a 16-year-old a recolored model of a fetish dragon, but it seems to prove he didn't let him in the 18+ areas or in the actual vrchat area, and it also confirms Leonard's theory that Jackie told Rusty to not tell other users his age as some form of protection. This is probably why CasualFen deleted their tweets about it; while it's questionable, it's not exactly breaking any laws.

EDIT: fixed some grammar

It'll be taken care of.

So if Jackie is indeed acting questionably with a minor, these deleted chat screenshots do raise another question; multiple furs made tweets about this situation, then later deleted all their tweets about it and pretended the callout never happened, it wasn't just casualfen/fennergy who tweeted about it. From what I've seen lurking a lot of kiwifarms threads, it's usually rare to see lowcows (furry or otherwise) delete callout posts, even after they've been long disproven. And it's even rarer to see this many users remove them all at once within a short timeframe.

As said before, VRC furry communites handle their problems internally, because while shit like that can get snuffed REAL QUICK, putting it out in the open puts all at risk.

VRC mods are known for their ban waves.

 

[LurkerDog]

I would honestly like confirmation on this, especially coming from a new account.

Long time lurker, new time poster, my apologies.

 

[The Crow]

Annnnnd Anthrocon's out for this year.

If this isn't proof that God hates furries, then I really don't know what is.

 

[billydero]

If this isn't proof that God hates furries, then I really don't know what is.

I don’t know if this was posted earlier but looks like Anthrocon had a new art contest for kids this year (that was also cancelled).

I’ll resist the impulse to make a quip about “furries like ‘em young” or “new grooming attempts” here but, I will say this is one of the things about furry that bugs me. The attempt by AC to make it family oriented and friendly is understandable but the fandom is really schizophrenic about deciding if it’s adult fetish scene or the cartoon animal scene for everyone.

Just as well they cancelled this too but it cheats us of the salt that would have resulted from furries complaining about kids in their kink space, or someone like Zaush getting involved and suggesting that a contestant put bigger tits on their character or something.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I don’t know if this was posted earlier but looks like Anthrocon had a new art contest for kids this year (that was also cancelled).

I’ll resist the impulse to make a quip about “furries like ‘em young” or “new grooming attempts” here but, I will say this is one of the things about furry that bugs me. The attempt by AC to make it family oriented and friendly is understandable but the fandom is really schizophrenic about deciding if it’s adult fetish scene or the cartoon animal scene for everyone.

It's actually tragic in a lulzy sort of way. There are a good amount of furries who, despite enjoying the porn side of things, really want to rehabilitate their fandom's public perception as massive fucking perverts. Unfortunately, they're in such a minority that they know they can't run a SFW and fully family friendly convention without it flopping harder than a walrus on a springboard. So they have to try to present a squeaky-clean image while at the same time still hosting and welcoming all the pervs who actually pay the bills.

It's the same thing with some furry artists, too. They might want to draw SFW stuff but tits are what pay the bills.

 

[The Crow]

Just as well they cancelled this too but it cheats us of the salt that would have resulted from furries complaining about kids in their kink space, or someone like Zaush getting involved and suggesting that a contestant put bigger tits on their character or something.

If anything, I expect tons of salt and chimpouts from butthurt furries over the convention itself being cancelled, Anthrocon is essentially the "Wrestlemania" or "Super Bowl" of the furry fandom, so seeing it being cancelled this year should generate tons of salt.

 

[Ehndgren]

furry who claims to be a dog expert defends dog racing because it saves her money on training https://twitter.com/BarleyBorks/status/1255559659584356352

 

[AnOminous]

furry who claims to be a dog expert defends dog racing because it saves her money on training https://twitter.com/BarleyBorks/status/1255559659584356352

What an utter asshole. Short of actually fighting dogs, there is little that is more abusive than greyhound racing, and those scumbags throw away the dogs when they can't race any more. Greyhound rescues have a lot of trouble placing these dogs because they're neurotic and fucked up from all the abuse and have never just had someone love them.

Absolutely fuck this scumbag.

Furries are such absolute garbage.

 

[Wheezy Asthmatic]

What an utter asshole. Short of actually fighting dogs, there is little that is more abusive than greyhound racing, and those scumbags throw away the dogs when they can't race any more. Greyhound rescues have a lot of trouble placing these dogs because they're neurotic and fucked up from all the abuse and have never just had someone love them.

Absolutely fuck this scumbag.

Furries are such absolute garbage.

I thought they were just naturally a high-strung species? I don't doubt the practice is abusive (which definitely would make things worse) but I just thought they were born neurotic - kinda like poodles and dalmations.

Never really seen any of them IRL so I'm just going off what I've been told from friends of friends

 

[AnOminous]

I thought they were just naturally a high-strung species? I don't doubt the practice is abusive (which definitely would make things worse) but I just thought they were born neurotic - kinda like poodles and dalmations.

They're already high strung and then they abuse them by using them for one and only one purpose until they literally can't physically do it any more and then kill them. Unless a no-kill rescue steps in, because many of them can't be rehomed because they've never been socialized.