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- Oct 9, 2019
Politics are shit. As always. At least we got deescalation plans. 6 to 8 weeks until full normalcy (6 to 8 because some autonomies will go slower than others), most of andalucia and the islands seem primed for 6.
And those are gonna pay enough taxes though? Let me show the prospect for NY in the near future. Put yourself in the shoes of the governor of NY. Let's say Cuomo's term ends and due to some queer glitch in the computer system handling the elections you become the new governor. Here's your fucking demographics:
-Illegals. Criminals. Homeless. Squatters. Etc: those only take money from the state. They give nothing. So you're not getting any taxes out of these fucks. They also make it so you necessitate extra security, healthcare and maintenance. Economically they are a blight. Under normal conditions you'd have ways to handle them and convert the largest possible number to other groups, but with your economy spiraling into the abyss and the middle class erased from the face of the earth you have no way to do that. They'll just grow in number and become more hostile towards the government with time.
-Students and Jobless: I separate these from the prior group because at least they seek jobs. So hey, that's something. But this doesn't give you any money outside of property tax, and they take unemployment funds. So you're looking at a net negative. The only advantage is they're only passively hurting you, not being actively awful.
-shitty day jobs: temporary jobs in mcdonalds, starbucks, wallmart and the like taken by the prior group when possible, taking minimum wage often, slighly better than that at best. Do you think you're gonna be able to tax these bastards enough? Really? They're already slaves in all but name. And keeping them means you gotta hire administratives to handle the paperwork, plus they qualify for healthcare, so overall, maintaining the lower class wageslaves going for the state is a net negative economically.
-NGOs taking care of the first group: again. Those give nothing, because charity, and they tend to take in subsidies. Even worse they make corruption and money laundering easy af, so areas with a heavy number of them tend to become unofficial tax havens. And thanks to them the first group will not get out or search for a way to stop being in that group as much as they should. Specially if the rich/poor divide gets too extreme. After all between being extremely poor and getting money from illegal means while being maintained by others and being extremely poor while making your money legally and getting taxed into barely breaking even, well, many will choose the first. For the record here in spain NGOs have often helped a lot. I know they can be great. I've seen their best face. But let's not act as if they have no negative. If there is a way for people to become middle class NGOs can be mostly positive as people prefer to work to become middle class if possible, if there is no hope, they only make the situation stagnate, and even help worsen it. I've also heard 2nd hand that situation happen in areas of africa. (I was friends with an african migrant that came from 1 such area and found a way to escape. He came to spain illegally but found a job and managed to legalize his status. Great person. His tales of his home were... horrifying honestly. Even when he didn't realize it. So called charity organizations basically break and drain such areas in some awful ways. Both when they don't know it and in cases like IHOP with full knowledge of the harm.)
-gov employees: and those yet again take money from the state. At least these are doing their fucking job. But you know, you literally cannot have them make more money than they cost you.
-ultrarich: and if you think these assholes are actually paying taxes. I got a bridge to sell ya. The law is filled with ways to clean money. Specially once the NGOs get rolled because donating to them is an easy way to dodge actual taxes. Furthermore they will be more than happy to deepen the divide if possible. They profit from this situatuion. And if the state had resources to extract you cound at least find ways to tax the ones extracting them. But with a tertiary sector megacity all you have is businesses that are there due to the lax taxing, if you try to solve this situation they will flee. Net negative once more.
To solve this you'd need Small bis grants, supply chain reinforcement, homeless shelters, a strong police force, strong anti-fraud, maintenance operatives, commerce, resource extraction grants, infrastructure grants, etc.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET THE MONEY FOR THAT?! Well. If you were a sane person, and decent negotiator, you could get Trump to find ways to extract that money from the federal reserve and start a strong revitalization plan to raise the state up to its former glory. Probably in exchange for some kind of benefit towards the feds. Plus you could negotiate with surrounding states to guarantee a strong resource chain to feed your state in exchange for some kind of payback.
Further, if you don't depend on the votes from criminals, illegals and dead people, you could give them the fucking shaft and handle them without care. And if your votes also don't depend on hipsters you won't need to care about rhetoric while doing so and be honest.
Now. However. Let's go back to reality. This IS what the situation is going towards. This is New York's future if it isn't fixed. But the governor of NY depends on the votes of illegals, criminals and hipsters, and is Cuomo, an awful negotiator suffering from extreme TDS that has based his entire political platform on hating every state that isn't new york and even show disdain for upstate new york when comparing it with NYC. How can he stop this? He can't.
And those are gonna pay enough taxes though? Let me show the prospect for NY in the near future. Put yourself in the shoes of the governor of NY. Let's say Cuomo's term ends and due to some queer glitch in the computer system handling the elections you become the new governor. Here's your fucking demographics:
-Illegals. Criminals. Homeless. Squatters. Etc: those only take money from the state. They give nothing. So you're not getting any taxes out of these fucks. They also make it so you necessitate extra security, healthcare and maintenance. Economically they are a blight. Under normal conditions you'd have ways to handle them and convert the largest possible number to other groups, but with your economy spiraling into the abyss and the middle class erased from the face of the earth you have no way to do that. They'll just grow in number and become more hostile towards the government with time.
-Students and Jobless: I separate these from the prior group because at least they seek jobs. So hey, that's something. But this doesn't give you any money outside of property tax, and they take unemployment funds. So you're looking at a net negative. The only advantage is they're only passively hurting you, not being actively awful.
-shitty day jobs: temporary jobs in mcdonalds, starbucks, wallmart and the like taken by the prior group when possible, taking minimum wage often, slighly better than that at best. Do you think you're gonna be able to tax these bastards enough? Really? They're already slaves in all but name. And keeping them means you gotta hire administratives to handle the paperwork, plus they qualify for healthcare, so overall, maintaining the lower class wageslaves going for the state is a net negative economically.
-NGOs taking care of the first group: again. Those give nothing, because charity, and they tend to take in subsidies. Even worse they make corruption and money laundering easy af, so areas with a heavy number of them tend to become unofficial tax havens. And thanks to them the first group will not get out or search for a way to stop being in that group as much as they should. Specially if the rich/poor divide gets too extreme. After all between being extremely poor and getting money from illegal means while being maintained by others and being extremely poor while making your money legally and getting taxed into barely breaking even, well, many will choose the first. For the record here in spain NGOs have often helped a lot. I know they can be great. I've seen their best face. But let's not act as if they have no negative. If there is a way for people to become middle class NGOs can be mostly positive as people prefer to work to become middle class if possible, if there is no hope, they only make the situation stagnate, and even help worsen it. I've also heard 2nd hand that situation happen in areas of africa. (I was friends with an african migrant that came from 1 such area and found a way to escape. He came to spain illegally but found a job and managed to legalize his status. Great person. His tales of his home were... horrifying honestly. Even when he didn't realize it. So called charity organizations basically break and drain such areas in some awful ways. Both when they don't know it and in cases like IHOP with full knowledge of the harm.)
-gov employees: and those yet again take money from the state. At least these are doing their fucking job. But you know, you literally cannot have them make more money than they cost you.
-ultrarich: and if you think these assholes are actually paying taxes. I got a bridge to sell ya. The law is filled with ways to clean money. Specially once the NGOs get rolled because donating to them is an easy way to dodge actual taxes. Furthermore they will be more than happy to deepen the divide if possible. They profit from this situatuion. And if the state had resources to extract you cound at least find ways to tax the ones extracting them. But with a tertiary sector megacity all you have is businesses that are there due to the lax taxing, if you try to solve this situation they will flee. Net negative once more.
To solve this you'd need Small bis grants, supply chain reinforcement, homeless shelters, a strong police force, strong anti-fraud, maintenance operatives, commerce, resource extraction grants, infrastructure grants, etc.
HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET THE MONEY FOR THAT?! Well. If you were a sane person, and decent negotiator, you could get Trump to find ways to extract that money from the federal reserve and start a strong revitalization plan to raise the state up to its former glory. Probably in exchange for some kind of benefit towards the feds. Plus you could negotiate with surrounding states to guarantee a strong resource chain to feed your state in exchange for some kind of payback.
Further, if you don't depend on the votes from criminals, illegals and dead people, you could give them the fucking shaft and handle them without care. And if your votes also don't depend on hipsters you won't need to care about rhetoric while doing so and be honest.
Now. However. Let's go back to reality. This IS what the situation is going towards. This is New York's future if it isn't fixed. But the governor of NY depends on the votes of illegals, criminals and hipsters, and is Cuomo, an awful negotiator suffering from extreme TDS that has based his entire political platform on hating every state that isn't new york and even show disdain for upstate new york when comparing it with NYC. How can he stop this? He can't.
